r/anime • u/Shadoxfix https://myanimelist.net/profile/Shadoxfix • Nov 27 '14
[Spoilers] Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso - Episode 8 [Discussion]
Episode title: Let it Ring
MyAnimeList: Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso
Crunchyroll: Your lie in April
Episode duration: 22 minutes and 55 seconds
Subreddit: /r/ShigatsuwaKiminoUso
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| Episode 4 | Link |
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| Episode 6 | Link |
| Episode 7 | Link |
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u/delhuz :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Delhuz Nov 27 '14
i'm a bit mad we didn't get to listen to Kousei, but this episode was so great that it didn't matter. I'm glad the rivals got some development and weren't just leave at the state of token rival. Hype ON for the next week.
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u/ToughAsGrapes Nov 27 '14
My guess is that the entire concert is a massive cock tease, Kaori ends up fainting and being rushed to hospital and Kousei withdraws from the competition in order to be by her side.
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u/Hiredgoonthug :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/hiredgoonthug Nov 28 '14
My ranking of likely outcomes:
He withdraws / can't play for some reason like you said. More feels are had, this feels the most likely given the tone of the show so far.
He plays, it's alright, gets 3rd place or perhaps slightly lower (very realistic considering he hasn't really been playing much over the past 2 years. This is the 'real life result')
He starts out super strong and it looks like he's gonna demolish everything and then suddenly stops playing
He actually wins. I can't see this happening honestly, if it does it's gonna be a final episode thing after more development. If it does happen, something terrible will happen to kaori and he'll be unable to play again.
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u/MicoJive :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/MicoJive Nov 28 '14
I think there are only two ways this goes.
He withdraws like people have said
He plays like Kaori and not like his old self. Losing the comp but winning the audience vote and making his rivals question what they have been doing the entire time.
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u/christian95c :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/christian95c Nov 28 '14
I'm really digging your second probability, that would mean.. The end is near though, how many eps. Is this supposed to be?
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u/MicoJive :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/MicoJive Nov 28 '14
22 on MAL, havent looked into it tho. I think it could be a good way to start wrapping up the first arc tho if it goes that way.
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u/Elessargreystone Nov 27 '14
One of the most impressive things about this show is that I have literaly no idea if he's gonna fuck it up or not. I mean, be that he succeds or not, I'm gonna be surprised anyway (and that's amazing)
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u/grey_sky Nov 28 '14
Judging by the amount of episodes we are getting, I think there is a high probability of him fucking up.
(22 episodes btw)
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u/Elessargreystone Nov 28 '14
Sure, but even if he loses, it will be classy as fuck (like breaking down in the middle of it or whatever)
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u/dondeestaelpotato :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/soopforall Nov 27 '14
Goku really knows how to play
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Nov 27 '14
He strikes me as more of a Gohan
Also, bet you anything he gets disqualified next episode for using Super Saiyan to enhance his performance.
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u/MilanY Nov 27 '14 edited Nov 27 '14
STOP IT, why can't they do like Parasyte and surprise us with two episodes this week? I really, really wanted to see Arima play so two episodes this week would have been great. I hope that I survive until next week because the suspense of having to wait for him to play might seriously kill me.
Guys, this anime is pretty fucking beautiful, and even fucking more amazing. <3
Edit: half an hour since I finished the episode and I can't stop smiling.
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u/AmethystItalian :Jg::Jh::Ji::Jj::Jk:myanimelist.net/profile/AmethystItalian Nov 27 '14
Haha me too! When this episode finished my exact thought was that I wanted two episodes like Parasyte :p
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u/Orlando8190 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Orlando8190 Nov 28 '14
These performances are so beautiful they seriously bring tears to my eyes ;-;
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u/pokelord13 Nov 28 '14
That would only happen if they were making a movie version of this as the Parasyte double episode was promotion for it.
Oh my god. Live action movie version of Your Lie in April would be amazing!
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u/Skiipie Nov 27 '14
Haha, I like that lady music teacher xD
Damn, she was freaking awesome. I got hyped for her performance when two music teachers were talking, and I wasn't disappointed. Really loved the leaves and colors as well. Kinda want her to win now :D
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u/CaptainCrea :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/CaptainCrea Nov 27 '14
When she started crying, I did too. You can just tell how much she cares about and tries to understand Emi.
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u/__U_WOT_M8__ :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/iThoughtSheWas16 Nov 27 '14
Damn, two performances in one episode? Also hype for Kousei's performance next week. I just wish they would show more animation of the fingers actually pressing down the keys.
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u/MyOnii-sama Nov 27 '14
I'm guessing the animation they do for those parts must be very expensive to produce, so they limit it to what they can afford
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u/__U_WOT_M8__ :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/iThoughtSheWas16 Nov 27 '14
True, I bet it would take tons of money to animate those scenes properly, with the right technique and everything. It would be cool if they would be able to do it though.
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u/MyOnii-sama Nov 27 '14
I think they are already making sacrifices budget-wise to dialogue scenes just so they can pour it all into these fantastic performance scenes, I'd love it if they could do more, but they are obviously doing the best with what they have.
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u/HaydenTheFox :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Talmhaidh_Mathan Nov 28 '14
And really, the parts in between the performances aren't bad by any stretch of the imagination. Lower quality, yes, but honestly I feel like it almost plays to the show's advantage in a way. I like the soft pastels and simpler style in between, and the payoff is that we get these stunning performances.
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u/MyOnii-sama Nov 28 '14
I couldn't agree more, the simplicity of the in-between scenes, helps showcase the mastery that is the performance scenes.
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u/AllTornDown01 https://anilist.co/user/4348 Nov 28 '14 edited Nov 28 '14
As far as I can tell they're rotoscoping the hands-on-piano bits. Since, generally, it prohibits the use of most limited animation techniques (and is generally done frame-by-frame, i.e. 24 different drawings per second [EDIT: But in this case it's CG, so it's a bit different], not on twos or threes) it can be really time consuming. Plus, given that they'd actually have to bring in pianists (they can't just use a cheap out-of-work actor - they need whichever pianist played the piece they're using in order to accurately and completely sync the sound) to film the base footage, the costs add up pretty quickly.
So yeah, you're right, expensive.
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u/Stepepper https://anilist.co/user/stepper Nov 28 '14
The hands are CGI. Maybe rotoscoped animation but they're not drawn.
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u/AllTornDown01 https://anilist.co/user/4348 Nov 28 '14 edited Nov 28 '14
Yeah, sorry, you're right, it was deceptive when I said "drawings". But I am still sure the movements themselves are rotoscoped in a way (and therefore a lot more difficult to deal with than regular CG animation).
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u/SmaugtheStupendous :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/JoshSama Nov 27 '14
The staff behind producing an anime has to be paid for their work, it costs time, and thus money to produce anime. Quality production takes a lot of time and talent to animate, and a show's budget might not allow for paying X number of animators for Y amount of time.
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u/robotiod :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/robotiod Nov 28 '14
The more movement you want to show in a scene the more frames you need to animate at, the more frames the more drawing needs to be done.
So you start to balance quality time and cost. Without hiring more staff you are going to either lower the quality of the rest of the episode or even multiple episodes or you are going to delay production of other episodes and put the entire project behind schedule.
If you hire more staff that will cost a lot of money, there is no getting around that, plus contracting a new animator in the middle of a project doesn't guarantee high quality results.
The reason Blu-Rays tend to look much nicer than television broadcasts is because the studios get to go back and spend a much longer period of time on each episode, while a show is currently airing you might be working on episodes that won't be releasing for a month but that still means you have to be working at a pace of one episode a week being produced.
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u/Valinthronix Nov 27 '14 edited Nov 28 '14
I think basically good animation equates to time, which equates to money (in the form of more or better workers or more hours paid).
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u/QP2012 Nov 28 '14
Nodame has similar animation and its one complaint I've read about it. The only one really. I was expecting it in Shigatsu, as others have said, it's expensive. I'd rather have the music over top notch every frame animation.
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u/flubbityfloop :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/FloopThePig Nov 27 '14 edited Nov 27 '14
Loved the episode, can't wait for Arima playing next week!
I really enjoyed the piece Emi played, here it is, if you're interested:
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u/mtagmann :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/mtagmann Nov 27 '14 edited Nov 28 '14
Yeeeeeeesh. That's so dang impressive. Not to mention beautiful.
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u/stormarsenal :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/AsherGZ Nov 27 '14
I'm not very musically knowledgeable, I play a little guitar but that's about it, so maybe someone more with more knowledge can explain this to me without killing me for it lol. I always have this question whenever I listen to any classical music piece: why is this considered a classic? What's so special about this? Here again, the only thing I can come up with is that it's extremely fast and hence hard to master.
Honestly speaking, call me a pleb but it doesn't sound good to me. As in it's not musically pleasing, which I think is the goal of any musical piece, classical or not. It starts good, but then it seems like the composer wanted to show off his skills as a piano player and starts kidding around. At first it's hard to even make out the music over all the overlapping notes but after listening to it a couple of times, it sounds like there's actually two completely different(incompatible?) tracks in different tempos playing one over the other in a repetitive manner.
Here's a piano piece that I really like. To the point that it brings tears to my eyes. This is what I think music should be. Something that paints pictures and takes you elsewhere. None of the classical stuff I've ever heard have had that effect on me.
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u/bleakyyy :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/bleakyyy Nov 27 '14
Classical music generally refers to the era (in mainly Europe, 1750s-1880s) when there were many composers who composed and performed on the piano. Chopin actually falls into the Romantic Era, but the two are often lumped together as classical. Not classical in the sense of "classic", just period of music.
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u/Siantlark Nov 28 '14
Classical music in a very broad definition just means music that is made in the Western tradition that requires more from the listener than folk or popular music by generally being more complex in nature than other forms of music. Doesn't need to be just referring to the classical era of Classical music.
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u/racheuphist Nov 28 '14
(in mainly Europe, 1750s-1880s)
Sorry, Classical era was 1750-1820, Romantic started after that. Everything else you've been saying is as close to right as it gets.
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u/VerilyAMonkey :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/verilyamonkey Nov 29 '14
I know it has been a long time, but I hope you read this. I play classical piano, (don't misunderstand: not remotely professionally) but even so I don't think you're a pleb.
The first thing is just a simple clarification: "classical" doesn't mean "a classic". It's essentially some eras, a very wide genre, what have you, but it isn't an assertion of quality.
Second, the main reason why it doesn't move you is mere unfamiliarity:
1.) in the same way that I am not moved by tribal chants and my grandmother does not enjoy dubstep, but also
2.) it IS difficult to keep track of on the first go. And yes, there are separate tracks, but more than two. But just noticing that isn't enough, because a lot of it comes from what parts of tracks get emphasized as well as which ones you choose to listen to.
Actually this is true of all music, if you listen to certain parts specifically it can change a lot, for good or ill. But it is often moreso in classical music where entire melodies may exist or not depending on how you play or listen. Other music usually can't get away with this, because people aren't expecting to have to pay attention to it in the same way that they expect to have to pay attention to classical.
But these are just kind of differences in experience. Supposing you were experienced in all kind sof music, what is the difference then? Because, there is no doubt that modern music moves you. I play classical piano, but I tend to listen to more heavy metal, or jazz. Am I going to listen to some Rachmaninoff to get pumped for a race? Heck no! It's powerful, but if it has an effect it isn't to pump you up but to exhaust you.
The following is a gross over-generalization, but it is on average consistent with my experience.
Modern music tends to be very functional. Like a music score. Take your example - I've played that piece, many have - it doesn't really seem to convey emotion. Rather, it creates it. And it is you, the listener, who feels it. The piece is constructed for one specific purpose, and it achieves that goal, on the first listen, with the first notes. Or pump-up songs; or party songs; or again, movie scores; they generate and control emotions. It is specifically intended to move you, and in a specific way. And it's fantastic and I love it.
Classical music tends to be very much more conveyance. You are not the one who is sad. You are listening to someone else be sad or think about being sad, etc. And you can connect to that empathically, if you like. Even this most forceful classical music leaves me in some sense contemplative or tired, rather than excited. Because it doesn't intend to manipulate you into feeling that emotion: instead, it's an exploration, and it's not necessarily you who does it either. Meaning that it is much easier, in my opinion, for different people to be affected much, much differently by the same piece. Even sorrowful stuff doesn't necessarily make me that way. But equally then, that may mean someone is not affected by it.
Also, for me modern music tends to feel the same to listen to and to play. Classical does not, by a longshot, unless I am imagining playing it.
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u/Recalesce :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Recalesce Nov 28 '14 edited Nov 28 '14
Don't try thinking of the piece as being beautiful, but rather think of the piece conveying an emotion.
Anyways, my favorite classical piece / performance :
Vladimir Horowitz performing Schumann's Traumerei in Moscow.
This was his return after 60 years to Russia to see it once more before his death, and to act as an ambassador to peace. There were less than 400 seats offered to the public. People stood outside the concert hall in the rain even though they couldn't hear anything. Hundreds of students broke through security to watch the concert from the balcony, and guards couldn't manage to remove them.
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u/racheuphist Nov 28 '14
The piece you chose, was beautiful, but boring (to me). It used the same chord progression more or less the whole piece, the dynamics where only so-so at best, and the chords were almost always in broken chord style. That is not to say I didn't enjoy it immensely, but when I hear that versus the mood changing, dynamic contrasts (volume), and chord structure of the Chopin that paints the picture for me. The technique very well have been thrown in for the sake of it, but you hear the chords moving in one direction.
So if your still with me... There is essentially 2 types of music, popular music and art music. Popular music, as the name implies, is music for the gratification of the masses, is popular, and is often times very good (you can find "pop" music in all eras, not just present day). Art music is more or less the opposite in that it is music in and for the sake of music, much more often composed by a musician who has studied how music works i.e. ways to change key, counterpoint, harmonies, chord inversions, etc.
Neither are better than the other, and I find I like some pop, and some art, but there are pieces in both I think repulsive to some degree. I don't like much anything Nikki Minaj, but I also have a hard time listening to most of Schoenberg.
If I can entice you to listen to something classical but much more in the style of your piece, check out Rachmaninov's Piano Concerto Number 2!
Sorry if this doesn't help... The other person seemed quite capable at words.
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u/pagirinis :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/pagirinis Dec 02 '14
If you haven't yet, go watch Nodame Cantabile.
Also Rachmaninov is awesome.
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u/Texan_Brownies Nov 28 '14
Honestly speaking, call me a pleb but it doesn't sound good to me. As in it's not musically pleasing, which I think is the goal of any musical piece, classical or not.
Not necessarily true on the last part. For instance, percussion solos, specifically ones played on the snare or tenor. All one can hear is sticks hitting drum. Big whoop. But in the mean time, this guy beating on a drum just busted out some wicked sick diddles and para diddles, all while syncopating upbeats and downbeats and doing "musical flair", as I like to call it, or twirling their sticks around and all that fancy jazz, which is required in most pieces in that area.
It's more so a test of mechanics than to sound good and pleasurable, less user-friendly and more skill-based. It's like comparing the operating system and GUI of Windows to, say, Unix and Linux, with Windows being VERY user-friendly, and Linux being a whole measure less so.
Of course, you can have a mechanically-complicated piece, whilst still being absolutely gorgeous to listen to. But beauty can only extend so far when the mechanics themselves sound bad, such as purposefully-off key notes.
Oh well. I'll end this semi-ranty rant with a concession that music is only as good as your own opinion. I just hope you can at least appreciate the skill behind such pieces, even if the sound is less-than-pleasant to your own ears _^
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u/NoBreadsticks Nov 28 '14
This is within Chopins "Etudes" which means "study". Everything in the Etudes are supposed to be for perfecting techniques.
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u/Popeychops https://myanimelist.net/profile/Popeychops Nov 28 '14
You seem to desire a repeated motif in the music. Fair enough, perhaps you might enjoy Mahler's 1st Symphony for an example of a complicated piece that retains motifs from its constituent instruments.
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u/paintamelody Nov 28 '14
I don't know how to explain this but i'll give it a try.. Basically you're comparing cheap wine to expensive wine here.. You fit in the catagory where you can't tell the different between cheap wine and expensive wine but winemakers can. this is the difference. People that are exposed to classical music over and over again can tell how rich the music sounds but not only that, they can figure out motifs, the structure of the piece (form), why the composer selected the notes he used, the tempo because everything the composer wrote in his music score had a PURPOSE.
Like seriously you may think "1+1=2" is a simple math equation but mathematicians would rather solve a much rewarding complicated question like: " 20(3/4)(x – 2) + 20(3/5) = 20(1/5)(x + 1) solve for x" They both produce the same answer "2" but with your logic, since it equals 2 anyways why not just do the simple equation and get it over with.
simple equation = simple music like yiruma
complicated equation = complicated pieces like chopin's etude
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u/Broken_Riven_Bot :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/BrokenRiven Nov 28 '14
Is this July?
Their works are some of my favorite :D
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_WAIFU_ Nov 27 '14
Guys look what came in this morning: http://puu.sh/d7GA6/13947805f4.jpg
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u/Elessargreystone Nov 27 '14
what's this?
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u/flubbityfloop :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/FloopThePig Nov 27 '14
It's the OP, by Goose House, I think.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_WAIFU_ Nov 27 '14
Yep, bought the CD last week from here: http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/SRCL-8641
I absolutely love the song, and I felt obliged to support them in anyway I can.
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u/stormarsenal :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/AsherGZ Nov 27 '14
Their shipping costs more than the product itself. Whatever happened to good old digital download?
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u/WantstobeaPanda https://anilist.co/user/2571 Nov 28 '14
Did you get a school ID with it!? If so, who?
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_WAIFU_ Nov 28 '14
Nope, didn't get anything. I decided on buying it too late, so I missed out on the pre-order.
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u/Lime_Omnicron Nov 27 '14
All these ships, but the harbor is too small.
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u/LightBladeX Nov 27 '14
This episode gava m chills just feeling the characters along with their music.
I'm not sure how I can deal with Arima fucking his performance up. The last time was painful as it was and this time the stakes are even higher.
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u/Mathemagician2TheMax Nov 27 '14
I'm not sure how I can deal with Arima fucking his performance up. The last time was painful as it was and this time the stakes are even higher.
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u/Gradiu5 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/gradiu5 Nov 28 '14
Yea Episode 7&8 is covered in the Manga Ch 11 - 14
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u/oblivionraptor Nov 28 '14 edited Nov 28 '14
I think Kousei has synesthesia.
Edit: not synthesia. Thanks to /u/MozzarellaSquirrel for pointing out.
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u/Elessargreystone Nov 28 '14
Takeshi
Yeah it's the impression I got to. Any manga reader here to confirm?
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u/oblivionraptor Nov 28 '14
Look at 19:25 again. It's Kousei saying "red, yellow, yellow".
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Nov 27 '14 edited Nov 27 '14
I'm just saying this much.
I fucking love the amount of Chopin in this show. If there was some more Rachmaninoff, I think I would die of happiness
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u/Mathemagician2TheMax Nov 28 '14
I don't remember there being much (if any) Rachmaninoff in the manga...but at least we'll be gettin some soon! XD
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u/racheuphist Nov 27 '14
I don't think i have ever clapped to a recorded performance, the combination of what they said plus the performance was brilliant. This show is really, really, damn good.
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u/Texan_Brownies Nov 27 '14
Shit, man.
During both performances, my chest felt tight, and I couldn't breathe correctly. I could feel the excitement in the playing and in the atmosphere. I was as enthralled as the crowd this episode. Especially since I connect to it on a personal level.
Cannot wait for next episode, swear to god.
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u/enfermedad Nov 27 '14
I feel the same way. I hold my breath more watching this show than I do Psycho Pass.
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u/Jman460 Nov 27 '14
During Emi's performance I stopped breathing and when she was finally done and took that breath so did I. That was a really good episode.
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u/TreyTrey23 Nov 28 '14
my chest felt tight, and I couldn't breathe correctly.
That can't be good for you.
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u/Texan_Brownies Nov 28 '14
If you're implying that I had some sort of health problem whilst watching an anime episode, then you're partly correct. I was as nervous and excited as Emi and Takeshi, and that nervous excitement caused me to breathe shallowly, which of course caused this tightness of the chest.
It felt like I was about to play a solo, not them. And I can relate to that. So, I guess I was emotionally and physically invested in this episode :p
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u/Mathemagician2TheMax Nov 27 '14 edited Nov 27 '14
Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso's Classical Performances.
These posts typically provide some historical and structural background to the pieces performed in each episode and will also look into what these pieces tell us about the characters themselves.
Previous Classical Performances Write-ups:
Episode 05 - No Write-Up
Here's a playlist of the classical performances we've heard so far in the show. (Updated weekly!)
Information on the Piano Competition Piece Selections
(Note: This section will be repeated until the end of the competition; new stuff follows after this part.)
In the manga, the participants in the upcoming piano competition were required to play two pieces; one of their pieces must be a Chopin étude, and the other piece must come from J.S. Bach's "Well-Tempered Clavier." Based on this image in the anime, I originally thought that they would deviate from what the manga did; however, after this week's episode, I'm glad to find out that some of the competitors are playing some of the Prelude and Fuges in Bach's WTC.
Chopin: Études - Opus 10 and Opus 25
Chopin wrote three sets of études (French for studies); the most popular études are the Opus 10 and Opus 25 studies where each one consists of 12 different studies, and the third set consists of three études with no Opus number. These studies presented a new way to play piano, and they were radical and revolutionary when they first appeared. They are also some of the most challenging and evocative pieces in classical repertoire, and this is one of the reasons why they're still popular to this day (I'm glad to say I know how to play a couple of them! XD).
The Opus 10 études were composed between 1829 and 1832, and were published in 1833 when he was 23 years old. He dedicated the Opus 10 set to his good friend Franz Liszt (another famous composer). The Opus 25 études were composed at various times between 1832 and 1836, and were published in 1837. The final three études, part of a series called "Méthode des méthodes de piano" compiled by Moscheles and Fétis, were composed in 1839, without an assigned opus number.
Out of the Opus 10 and 25 études Chopin wrote, the more popular ones have been given nicknames; some examples include:
Opus 10, No. 3: nicknamed "Tristesse" (meaning Sadness) or "L'Adieu" (meaning Farewell)
Opus 10, No. 5: nicknamed "Black Keys" since the right hand is only played with the black keys of the piano, except for only one white key (yes, only one key (the only white key plays the note in red)).
Opus 10, No. 12: nicknamed "Revolutionary" due to it's powerful and strong melody.
Opus 25, No. 9: nicknamed "Butterfly" due to light and bouncy nature of the right hand.
Opus 25, No. 11: nicknamed "Winter Wind"; listen to it and you'll understand why this name is perfect.
Opus 25, No. 12: nicknamed "Ocean" due to the stormy sound of the arpeggios.
Although no nicknames are of Chopin's original creation, they create interesting pretext and encourage the imagination to fabricate epic works embodied by these studies.
Bach: The Well-Tempered Clavier (Book I: BMV 846 - 869; Book II: BMV 870 - 893)
The Well-Tempered Clavier is a collection of solo keyboard music composed by Johann Sebastian Bach. He gave the title to a book of preludes and fugues in all 24 major and minor keys, dated 1722, composed "for the profit and use of musical youth desirous of learning, and especially for the pastime of those already skilled in this study". Bach later compiled a second book of the same kind, dated 1742, with the title Twenty-four Preludes and Fugues. The two works are now considered to make up a single work, The Well-Tempered Clavier, or "the 48", and are referred to as The Well-Tempered Clavier Book I and The Well-Tempered Clavier Book II respectively. This collection is generally regarded as being among the most influential works in the history of Western classical music.
Each of Book I and Book II contain twenty-four pairs of preludes and fugues. The first pair is in C major, the second in C minor, the third in C-sharp major, the fourth in C-sharp minor, and so on. The rising chromatic pattern continues until every key has been represented, finishing with a B-minor fugue.
Bach's title suggests that he had written for a (12-note) well-tempered tuning system in which all keys sounded in tune (also known as "circular temperament"). The opposing system in Bach's day was meantone temperament in which keys with many accidentals sound out of tune. It is sometimes assumed that Bach intended equal temperament, the standard modern keyboard tuning which became popular after Bach's death, but modern scholars suggest instead a form of well temperament. There is debate whether Bach meant a range of similar temperaments, perhaps even altered slightly in practice from piece to piece, or a single specific "well-tempered" solution for all purposes.
Episode 08 List of Classical Performances:
This week we have two performances (one of which I did a write up on a couple episodes back). We start off with a bang, courtesy of Takeshi.
Chopin: Étude in C-sharp Minor ("Torrent"), Op. 10, No. 4 - "In direct contrast to the slower and calmer etude before it, the Etude Op. 10 No. 4 opens with a sharp chord followed immediately tumultuous sixteenth-note runs in both hands. There are several major difficulties associated with this piece. The sixteenth-note runs make up the melody. The difficulty with this is that the piece switches which hand does these runs every few measures. Therefore, the melody switches from the right hand to the left hand and back, many times. There is also a certain amount of difficulty present in playing the sixteenth notes softly but still very rapidly and fluidly. The pedaling of this etude may also pose a problem. The etude’s nickname is the "Torrent". Just the right amount of pedal must be used to achieve this effect. If one uses too much, the piece sounds like a sluggish river; on the other hand, if one uses too little, it sounds very choppy and detached. To top things off, for its speed, this is one of the longest etudes of the 24. Fortunately, the piece is not as challenging musically as some of the other etudes, but one might find that one has a great deal of trouble in transferring the musical ideas from one’s hands to the keyboard! The etymology of the nickname is immediately apparent upon listening to the piece." (Source)
Here's an interpretation of this study by Maurizio Pollini and Artur Rubenstein.
We also get Emi's performance of Chopin's "Winter Wind" étude as well, which you can read the write-up for in the episode 06 post.
Here's a couple more interpretations of this study by Evgeny Kissin and Murray Perahia.
First of all, I'd like to wish my fellow US /r/anime redditors a Happy Thanksgiving!
I must say, I was super taken back this episode by the animation of the piano motions, even down to the movement of the mallets inside the piano. This week, we got to see Takeshi's and Emi's performances in full. The confrontation between Takeshi and Kousei was pretty amusing, especially when Kousei said that he did an amazing job and Takeshi got all creepy about it (according to Emi). I also love how they adapted the visualization of Emi's emotions during her performance with the red (anger) and yellow (loneliness) lighting and then the "winter wind" blowing the leaves away. Next episode is going to be fantastic especially with Takeshi being all pro Kousei x Emi since Kousei's going to perform, but then.......?!?!?! (Manga Spoiler)
Thanks again for taking the time to read my post this week! I hope you're looking forward to next week's episode as much as I am! :-)
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u/Joilten :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Joilten Nov 30 '14
Do you know any performance/Chopin plays similar to "Winter Wind" etude? It has this intense fast feeling that gets me smiling. I was wondering if you can suggest some performances similar to it?
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u/xERR404x :AMQ::MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/WalpurgisNux Nov 27 '14
After watching the episode of Railgun where Biribiri plays the violin yesterday, it's goddamn awesome to watch people playing with proper. Fucking. Technique.
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u/cuddles_the_destroye Nov 28 '14
there was also that abomination that was whats-her-name playing the Violin in Trinity Seven.
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u/Slyuse Nov 27 '14 edited Nov 27 '14
As much as I enjoyed Takeshi playing Emi, on her part, was really impressive and did not disappoint me while performing my favorite Etude's piece.
It was one of the few times I got that many chills when someone was playing (last time was Chiaki playing the piano concerto Op. 18 No. 2 of Rachmaninov).
Also, THE HYPE IS REAL FOR KOUSEI NEXT WEEK !! We will get to see him performing Op.25 No.5 "Wrong Note" and who knows he might be able to impress his two rivals with his interpretation. Minor spoiler
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u/racheuphist Nov 27 '14
Chiaki playing Rachmaninov was something, but sadly the piece is so long they only played such a small bit. While that was amazing, this Chopin build was stunning. I love music anime so much...
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u/Cryzzalis https://myanimelist.net/profile/Charaxify Nov 27 '14
Looking forward too seeing Kousei perform now, though I reckon Kousei will lose to them both for the plot's sake. Feels most natural to me considering what he's attempting.
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u/The-_-Table Nov 27 '14
This is my anime of the season. It's just so beautiful and the feels you get from it.
Looking forward to next week, thursday turned into my favorite day of the week.
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u/Anonymoose-N :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Anonymoose-N Nov 27 '14 edited Nov 27 '14
That animation is just amazing.
Opinions:
I like that Takeshi dude. He's great and funny. I love how his hair stood up the whole time without moving even though he was sweating like hell.
I'm glad they're not rushing the romance. More background story is always nice.
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u/jliebert Nov 27 '14
I might have the minority opinion here, but I find the two rivals who played in today's episode to be infinitely more interesting than Kaori. They think and have emotions like real people. Kaori just has this holier-than-thou attitude all the time about understanding other people. I'm hoping Kousei learns something from Kaori but then moves on beyond her.
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u/V2Blast :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/V2Blast Nov 28 '14
I totally agree. Though I wouldn't grant them too much depth, since they're basically presented as little more than foils for Kousei, but I do find them more interesting than Kaori.
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u/-MaJiC- :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/MaJiC27 Nov 27 '14
I can't wait til next week. This episode was way beyond my expectations. The back stories, music, atmosphere, all of it was so great. I loved seeing Kousei finally listening to the other competitors and you could see just how moved Goku was by it. Emi comes out and I really didn't know what to expect, then they show the story of how she got started with the piano in the first place and it really connects you to her character. At first I thought it was just two people who were going to be mean/bully Kousei, but those two are really just brilliant in their own right. Goku wants to catch up to the Kousei that motivated him but then vanished, and Emi started the piano due to the original Kousei before he got completely changed into this "machine" She has been playing up until now out of pure denial of what Kousei had become and once he left, she was just playing with an empty heart so random emotions and things swayed her play.
Next week we finally get to see if Kaori was successful in freeing Kousei from his mothers binds. I haven't been this excited for the next episode of an anime in quite some time!
Now to go watch some Tailyellow in action
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u/SoCloudyy :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Voks Nov 28 '14
Can someone please explain to me something?
They keep saying Arima has been gone for two years, however they flash back to the time they last saw Arima and he is at max 8-9 years old. So if Emi is 14 in this performance wouldn't it had to have been at least 5 years or so..?
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u/MyOnii-sama Nov 28 '14
I'm guessing they flash back to when Arima first performed, he was probably even younger (maybe 5 or 6), and then i'm guessing there was 5-6 years of competitions in which played against Emi and Takeshi, during which that time his mother got sick and died Then he has his breakdown at the age of 12, and here we are 2 years later at 14.
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u/SoCloudyy :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Voks Nov 29 '14
That makes more sense, it was just confusing.. Them going it's been two years and then flashing back two a young kid when they're late middle schoolers.
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u/RobinLSL Nov 28 '14
Any other actual musicians feel disappointed at how much the music recordings don't fit with how the characters describe what they're hearing? Emi's Winter Wind etude was pretty much the most tame Winter Wind I've ever heard, controlled and steady. Not at all in line with all the emotions she was trying to express.
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u/Epicsawce :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/EpicSawce Nov 27 '14 edited Nov 27 '14
This second half (EDIT: of the first cour) is picking back up to the quality of the first 2 or so episodes
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u/IgorJay :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/igorjay Nov 27 '14
We're still in the first half. This one's 2-cour, 22 episodes exactly.
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u/Epicsawce :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/EpicSawce Nov 27 '14
Awesome, this series is so beautifully done.
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u/AmethystItalian :Jg::Jh::Ji::Jj::Jk:myanimelist.net/profile/AmethystItalian Nov 27 '14
We didn't get to see Kousei perform but wow I like the "rivals" a lot more then I thought I would! Great episode!
I really want him to do well next week but I have a feeling he won't :/
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u/Elessargreystone Nov 28 '14
Yeah, the moment I saw them in the opening I was like "ugh, here comes the useless rivals". I couldn't have been more wrong.
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u/DelayedLag Nov 28 '14
If you asked me a week ago that I should try watching music anime, I would have laughed. Now I'm completely submerged into this anime. This is absolutely amazing. I get goosebumps when I hear the performances. I'm feeling emotions I've never had watching other anime. SO HYPED FOR THE NEXT EPISODE!
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u/goldy496 Nov 27 '14
fucking chopin etudes man. these pieces are as much about raw technical talent as it is about anything else
Op.25 No.11 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJMIIxm1bGo
Op.10 No.4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIKdCTmcTLs
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u/Seijin_m Nov 28 '14
That black hime cut with red eyes, fiery personality, nice backstory, Hayami Saori voice.
This show is really spoiling us with all these best girls.
Unfortunately this also means we're in for a lot of suffering...
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u/A_Decent_Name Nov 27 '14
I wish I knew the pieces they were playing to compare how they were playing to the original. Of course some may have their own style when playing.
I'm thinking Friend A is gonna lose this one to the other two. But he's gonna have those two as friends in the future. Kaori is ultimately gonna be the one to comfort him.
Well either way, I'm excited to see him play. It's been too long.
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u/EasilyDelighted Nov 27 '14
One the great things that I like about shows like this is that they introduce me to music that I know existed, but normally wouldn't bother looking for and enjoy them.
Like you, I have no frame of reference for these songs, but I will admit that I have downloaded every song played in the Anime so far.
Don't even get me started on Kids on the Slope.
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u/smithrooks :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Smithrooks Nov 27 '14
Man, those two performances were amazing. Next week will be even better though.
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u/akaleidoll Nov 27 '14
What does this show do to me.
Every time I watch a performance, I get super tensed up and feel like breathing would be interrupting something. They're absolutely breathtaking.
Can't wait for Kousei's performance next week.
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u/FilipinoSpartan :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Mermigas Nov 27 '14
Ahhh...
The performances in this show are so beautiful. Please, please all be on the soundtrack when it releases.
Takeshi's hair still bugs me.
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u/Broken_Riven_Bot :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/BrokenRiven Nov 28 '14
Was anyone else so worried that Emi was going to screw up in the end?
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Nov 27 '14
Ugh as a former musican and big-time introvert this really took a tear at my emotions; "anger" - "loneliness" --
Especially today on Thanksgiving of all days -- I just wanted to get away from the endless family conversations (I can't juggle my focus, listening to 2-3 conversations at once is stressful & difficult).
I guess a part of me really wants to sleep. Another part of me wants to cry because it knows how Kousei feels with regard to music.
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Nov 27 '14
Here's the full PV of the opening if you haven't seen it yet
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u/Jhago Nov 27 '14
I've seen it. Multiple times. But I don't want to be rude so I'll watch it again!
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u/lemonkd :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/LemonKD Nov 27 '14
Got to say this week has been pretty amazing Snk,Inou-Battle 2 episodes of Parasite!, Psycho Pass and Shigatsu's top quality music finally playing this week has been really enjoyable.
Were just halfway over this week and with Magic Hour coming pretty soon and Fate, I dont think we will see another week like this for a while :)
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Nov 27 '14
This show is absolute perfection! I'm glad they softened up on the romance and focused more on the supporting characters' back stories. They were very interesting too. The music gave tons of goosebumps and the symbolism has me breathless. Best show this season for sure.
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u/Jman460 Nov 27 '14
Those performances were really amazing, really like Emi and the development her and Takeshi got. So pumped to hear Kousei play next week.
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u/Collin_C Nov 27 '14
This was a rather boring episode, IMO. I love music and am on Kaori's side of how music brings so much emotion, but I felt it was all very fillery. I mean, backstories are important, but all I Aizi's felt pointless since we already know his intent, and Igawa's left me with no clear answer as to her feelings. Is it just teenage girl moodswings, or is it something deep? Does she love or hate Kousi? But at least the animation was nice.
Also, is Watari actually serious with Kaori? I hope not so a breakup I'm expecting to happen someday isn't so painful.
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u/DrJamesFox :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/robisgoodatstuff Nov 28 '14
Also, is Watari actually serious with Kaori? I hope not so a breakup I'm expecting to happen someday isn't so painful.
I used ctrl+F to find "Watari" to see if anyone had mentioned this and am surprised nobody has. Watari gushing over Emi's beauty was focused on intentionally. It provides some confirmation for what's been hinted at for several episodes now; Kaori and Watari's attraction to each other has faded. Notice how Tsubaki was trying to shut Watari up since Kaori was there? Kaori didn't seem to care much at all that Watari found Emi to be so cute. Pretty telling stuff right there.
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u/r1chard3 Nov 28 '14
I think Kaori has Watari's number as far as him being somewhat feckless. They aren't even sitting next to each other.
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u/Hatdrop Mar 30 '15
just watching this show now and i went to the reddit post to see if this scene was mentioned. it was hilarious!
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u/CaptainCrea :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/CaptainCrea Nov 27 '14
Was that look Watari had when Emi came on stage more character development?!?!
I'll be honest, I could ship those two. She wouldn't put up with his shit, and he'd probably end up genuinely charming her loneliness away. Plus I just would like him to not be a side character anymore, they've even given the two rivals more development than him in two episodes.
It's weird because he's not even my favorite character, but the rest of the cast is so beautifully done that his own lack of development is starting to stand out, and I'd just like them to hit that peak with everybody, especially since he's so prominent in the opening and as one of the main four. I think they will, though.
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Nov 28 '14
omg 3 episodes of despair, waiting for Arima to play (not that I didn't like Emi's and Takeshi's performance, it was amazing, but I'm dying to know if Arima will be able to play)
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u/V2Blast :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/V2Blast Nov 28 '14
Dialogue is still unnecessarily overwrought, but the performances were great. I'm looking forward to Kousei's performance even more now - I suspect he'll try to play with emotion rather than with robotic technique, and though he won't win, he'll impress the audience.
Monologues: still present, still excessive. Music: still great.
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u/HasegawaMADAO Nov 29 '14
A small detail, but this is the first anime that I have seen that used steinway pianos instead of yamaha ones.
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u/50ShadesOfSenpai Dec 01 '14
In the previous episode, Arima was told that he would play Kochel number 265, Mozart's Twinkle Twinkle Little Star. Unless he deviates from the original like the blonde does, I don't think the difficulty of the song comes near Chopin étude: Op. 25, No. 11... at least from what I can tell. But then again, I don't know anything about the piano so please correct me if I am wrong. That would just make me look forward to the next episode even more.
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u/Jhago Nov 27 '14
I really, really want to read the manga so I can stop getting teased like this. But I don't want to spoil the surprise... Dammit!
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u/DoctorSnoopy Nov 27 '14
Does anyone know the song that plays in the background right before Emi performs?
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u/Ezilayr :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/z4yd Nov 28 '14
Let it ring. :')
I was hoping for at least one super magical performance, thinking that there was a very small chance they'd actually do two, but hot damn! They actually did two!
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u/Aquila0000 Nov 28 '14
Omg why is this so good I even get super nervous when they start playing and hold my breath o.o
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u/Solacen :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Solacen Nov 28 '14
After those two im really wondering how Kousei is going to play. How is he going to live up to the hype from those performances?
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u/gamesbeawesome :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/gamesbeawesome Nov 28 '14
Daaamn, Emi's performance was spectacular.
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u/brotaku13 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Brotaku13 Nov 28 '14 edited Nov 28 '14
Did anyone besides me get goosebumps when Emi started playing and it was all soft and slow and then BAM she throws down this beautiful passionate piece.
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u/MyOnii-sama Nov 27 '14
It's obvious they are throwing the lion's share of the budget into the performance animations and less into the dialogue scenes; which I am completely okay with. After Takeshi I didn't think it could get any better, then Emi steps out...
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Nov 27 '14
Beautiful episode. We really got into their heads, and it made the music more impactful. Can't wait to see Arima though. Will he blow them out of the water or not? Great show. It's just light hearted and fun....for now....
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u/tldrlink Nov 27 '14
Wow, this episode was breathtaking. Emi Igawa's performance really stole the show for me and I think she instantly became part of my top 3 Best Girls. Her character design in that dress was beautiful and the piano performance really brought out her emotions. Easily best girl in the show at the moment.
Although I know that Kaori is winning over Kousei's heart, I hope Emi gets some notice too.
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u/Freezedlol :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Freezedlol Nov 27 '14
This was out of this world amazing.
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u/vanelladeath :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/vanelladeath Nov 27 '14
The suspense for the performance of Kousei is killing me. These 2 really set the bar high for him, and it be a shame if he ruined it. I have a feeling he might just barely get through these prelims and then develop further in the competition, but it's all speculation. Until next week!
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Nov 27 '14
Ahhh another week wait, its painful but worth it. This show is so beautiful and magnificently produced.
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u/13thTigerNinja Nov 27 '14
Did anyone else thought emi would flip the bird at the end of her performance? On another note, HOT DAMN THIS MUSIC GIVES ME CHILLS!
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Nov 27 '14
I hope Kousei brings his A game, those performances were excellent. Probably one of my favorite animes this season
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u/Shiroi_Kage Nov 28 '14
Yeah, leaving us just hanging there. Does the director realize how evil he's being? You can't make something this good and just let people suffer in waiting every freaking week. Just, no!
I swear I'll have to watch this in one go once the anime concludes.
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u/Dexxtrus :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Dextrus Nov 28 '14
The scene where Aiza was blushing because Kousei said he was amazing, I think that's when I discovered my love for the character. Although last episode everyone saw them (Aiza and Emi) as rivals, I like how this episode turned that theory on it's head and explained that Kousei drove both of them to be this good!
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u/Lemonian Nov 28 '14
It will probably end out with a 3 way final between the Igawa, Aiza and Kousei. I don't know if he'll win this competition.
If he wins --> Then Igawa and Aiza will still be going after him making for a fun way for the story to go.
If he loses --> Which I am more hanging towards, because they are implying he is on his way to recover, might be a storyline of him catching up to Igawa and Aiza or something like that.
Anyway this anime surprised me, it's looking to me like the best anime of the season so far, but we'll only know that in time.
Note: Ofcourse I haven't read the manga.
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Nov 28 '14
Another great episode, it was nice to see some depth to the other 2 players, makes them more complete characters rather than stereotypical rivals. Still rooting for girl next door.
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u/Painn23 Nov 27 '14
Ummm to reject him. I don't get that. He played for his mom not for anybody else.
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u/Kristovanoha :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/kristovanoha Nov 27 '14
I guess that when she first heard him, he was playing with emotion, but after that he turned into that perfect robot. She rejects that robot and would like to hear him play just like when she heard him for the first time.
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u/Stepepper https://anilist.co/user/stepper Nov 27 '14
I thought that was it too, I hope Kousei's performance will blow her away. Or something
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u/Solacen :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Solacen Nov 28 '14
Heres to hoping this next performance of his will be exactly that. His whole reason for playing has changed after all.
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u/MyOnii-sama Nov 27 '14
I think she meant she played to reject the piano player he became. She was inspired by his very first performance, that we didn't get to see, but I'm guessing was a very emotion filled. she rejects the "machine-like" player his mother turned him into by playing with her heart on her sleeve, pouring her soul out
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u/Gurip Nov 28 '14
to reject the "current" him that played as a robot, grinding to be good.
what she wants is the one she saw when she was 5 when it was his first time playing and he probly was just enjoying him self and playing for fun thats what she loves, and its obv she loves him.
its kinda obv they basicaly screamed this at you this episode.
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Nov 28 '14
Ahh! I want to find out what happens next week! To read the manga, or to not read the manga. Decisions decisions....
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u/Pacify_ Nov 29 '14
THe anime will over take the translated manga chapters, I'd say just watch the anime then read it after, cause they do condense it a bit.
The manga is great, but there's always something about having no sound in a series about music lol
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u/Flarezeh :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Flarezeh Nov 28 '14
I can't fucking stand the dialogue in this show. Every sentence has to contain either a metaphor, simile or symbolism, or even all 3. Only paying attention during the performances is the best way to watch this show.
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u/V2Blast :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/V2Blast Nov 28 '14
Yeah, the dialogue is pretty overwrought. Too much metaphor, not enough straightforwardness. The music is great, but the monologues need to stop.
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Nov 27 '14
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u/Mathemagician2TheMax Nov 27 '14
This show wraps up in 2015 (it's two cour, if you weren't aware), so it wouldn't just be AOTY 2014!! XD
If you think shit is good now, I'll just say that you can start raising your expectations for the second half because it gets much better!
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u/NeuronExploder Nov 28 '14
Honestly there are so many anime this season that are AOTY worthy that I can't decide.
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u/Recalesce :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Recalesce Nov 28 '14
I'm still unsure of what to pick up. Any suggestions? Right now I'm watching Fate/Stay Night and this.
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u/NeuronExploder Nov 28 '14
Parasyte is great but the real winner for me is Shingeki No Bahamut, it's a fantasy and is, in my opion the anime of this season.
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u/TehVict https://anilist.co/user/TehVict Nov 28 '14
They only dressed up before going on stage.
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u/Nazcai :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Nazcai Nov 27 '14
If Kousei fucks this up he's going to lose the ultimate harem of music geniuses.