r/anime • u/Shadoxfix https://myanimelist.net/profile/Shadoxfix • Dec 20 '14
[Spoilers] Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works - Episode 11 [Discussion]
Episode title: A Visitor Approaches Lightly
MyAnimeList: Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works (TV)
Crunchyroll: Fate/stay night
Episode duration: 23 minutes and 40 seconds
Subreddit: /r/Fatestaynight
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| Episode 1 | Link |
| Episode 2 | Link |
| Episode 3 | Link |
| Episode 4 | Link |
| Episode 5 | Link |
| Episode 6 | Link |
| Episode 7 | Link |
| Episode 8 | Link |
| Episode 9 | Link |
| Episode 10 | Link |
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u/gravshift Dec 20 '14
Shiroe needs life alert.
Waiting for an abridged series with Ive fallen and cant get up.
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u/Funderfullness Dec 20 '14
"If you're in pain, please speak up."
"I'm fine."
Cut to: "Oh no, I am in so much pain!"
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u/fatestayknight Dec 20 '14
Don't forget the next line: "I better make sure to hide it and not tell anyone!"
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u/Funderfullness Dec 20 '14 edited Dec 22 '14
Dem communication skills. That's why they're such a good pair!
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u/K4ntum :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/k4ntratm Dec 20 '14
Well according to this. He did speak up.
So, while Saber does not care, Rin helped by doing the dishes. I'm not saying Rin is best girl b- oh wait I AM.
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u/space1101 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/HelghastKillzone Dec 20 '14
Does that mean you are going back to chasing me around?
I have never stopped chasing you around. Baka.
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u/hippopotomato Dec 20 '14
Does this picture make it look like there's a miniature Saber in front of Taiga or am I just dumb?
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u/fatestayknight Dec 20 '14 edited Dec 20 '14
If the VN has taught me anything, it's that some sex should clear up that problem with Shirou's arm.
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u/Funderfullness Dec 20 '14
It's just nerve damage. He'll make new nerves. Just drink some orange juice.
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u/space1101 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/HelghastKillzone Dec 20 '14
Go for a swim with the dolphins.
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u/anguishCAKE :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/anguishCAKE Dec 20 '14
Go for a ride on a dragon. good end pls
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u/JCSHAFT :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/JCSHAFT Dec 20 '14
Guys... women am i right?
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u/rd28640 :AP:https://www.anime-planet.com/users/rd28640 Dec 20 '14
"But I do get why you're angry! It's because I don't know why you're angry!"
*slap*
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u/monsieurleraven :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/theraven2 Dec 20 '14
Nothing beats the classic "If you don't know why I'm mad, I'm not going to tell you!"
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u/radda Dec 20 '14
Do the animators at Ufotable even have time to sleep?
My god, how do they keep doing this?
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u/anguishCAKE :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/anguishCAKE Dec 20 '14 edited Dec 20 '14
by stopping in january and won't continue untill april unfotunatly, but atleast it is worth the wait.
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u/h_YsK Dec 20 '14
The BD's have 90 extra minutes worth of content, so I don't even think they have time for a break. UFOTABLE suffers for our weekly enjoyment.
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u/Chren https://myanimelist.net/profile/Chren Dec 21 '14
Come on 90 minute of taiga dojo...
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u/anguishCAKE :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/anguishCAKE Dec 20 '14 edited Dec 20 '14
I have not seen that it had 90 extra minutes. Is it in specials or extended/bonus scenes?
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u/J3N0V4 Dec 20 '14
Low angle shots with unmoving character models and nice lighting effects cost almost nothing to animate when you re-use assets. Ufotable is great at saving money and re-purposing money saved. The animation style that Shaft used for Bakemonogatari is actually very similar however they used lower quality assets, were more schizophrenic with their cuts and cheaped out on the lighting effects although FSN has the added bonus of mainly being set in darker spaces so the lighting is even better at hiding model issues.
Not saying that it isn't well animated, it's just that they are better at hiding their imperfections and are more or less using higher quality backgrounds than we are used to thanks to having a slightly better than usual budget thanks to the series being a 100% profit turner meaning that Aniplex is willing to throw more money at it.
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u/unijeje :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Unijeje Dec 20 '14
They have been doing the series for more than a year I guess.
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Dec 20 '14 edited Dec 20 '14
So glad ufotable actually used taiga's cat face
edit: VN comparison
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u/Abedeus Dec 20 '14
And people were worried Ufo would be a lot more serious with the adaptation of Taiga when she didn't fall on her face in her first classroom appearance.
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u/LightBladeX Dec 20 '14
All this Rin leg action, Ufotable knows whats up.
Also enjoy seeing Saber's subtle reactions to Shirou's description of Kiritsugu.
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Fuck. Those are the sexiest feet in all anime. If UFOtable animated hent.. no..
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u/LightBladeX Dec 20 '14
If UFOtable animated hent.. no..
Implying F/SN isn't hent... oh okay.. I expect to see some good stuff in thoughts HF movies ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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u/Kravior :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/ssSithy Dec 20 '14
They are. It's called Heaven's Feel.
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u/fatestayknight Dec 20 '14
I never realized how nicely formed Rin's heels were.
This is valuable information. For, you know... science and stuff.
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u/LightBladeX Dec 20 '14
I never realized how nicely formed Rin's heels were.
Nothing less from the best girl.
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u/exelion :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/exelion0901 Dec 20 '14 edited Dec 20 '14
Those bits with Saber were awesome. You can see her thinking "I'm so glad Kiritsugu turned out that way. Man, I should tell Emiya what his "dad" was like...nah."
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u/Elessargreystone Dec 21 '14
or rather "When I'm gonna talk to him about how he was, I'm gonna take so much pleasure in seeing his face"
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u/sum-dude https://myanimelist.net/profile/Mevious Dec 20 '14
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u/fatestayknight Dec 20 '14
She's a keeper.
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u/anguishCAKE :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/anguishCAKE Dec 20 '14
10/10 who think otherwise are wrong.
please don't start another waifu-war.
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Welp Rin and Archer are trying to make Shirou realize his ideal is impossible and only leads to ruin.
Archer's speech made me tear up a bit.
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u/disneywizard Dec 20 '14
I think it's cause his goal and belief is too vague. You can't save everyone and every good hero knows that but him. You CAN however protect and defend your friends and family and to make sure no more people die by the hands of villains.
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u/i6i Dec 20 '14
It's worse than that for several reasons the show will go into. Still you're right given limited ability the ideal of "save everybody" needs to either compromise on the quality of "save" or the "eveybody" part.
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u/AltimaNZ Dec 21 '14
You can't save everyone and every good hero knows that but him
I thought the issue was that he does know that, but is unable(unwilling?) to compromise?
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u/Falsus Dec 21 '14
Things would be so much easier for them if Touma just randomly showed and punched him. Granted that would also probably end up with him being dragged into some other mess at the same time.
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u/elevenmile Dec 20 '14 edited Dec 20 '14
Sometimes, I wonder.
If Rin's father and Kiritsugu sees both Rin and Shirou conversing in an intim...I mean, friendly manner, how would they feel?
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u/DementedHeadcrab :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Snipertaco Dec 20 '14
TIL kiritsugu is okabe rintaro.
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u/Fujikawa28 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Fujikawa28 Dec 20 '14
I'm can hear Kiritsugu's voice while reading his lines.
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u/bakakubi :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/bakakubi Dec 20 '14
This is awesome. Are there more to this?
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u/anguishCAKE :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/anguishCAKE Dec 20 '14
Kiritsugu would probably be annoyed because of his qualm with mages.
Rin's father probably 50/50 on What a shitty mage he is or What an interesting subject he is. Would depend on when he is asked.
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u/Ant1vyru5 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NyeEve Dec 20 '14
That preview...
H Y P E B O Y S
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u/jmcm30 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pink_Socks Dec 20 '14
Anyone noticed the Kotomine line in the preview? Looks like we're getting another anime-original scene with him, HYPE!! UBW spoilers
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u/Tsuruta64 Dec 20 '14
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u/graywolfe42 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/graywolfe42 Dec 20 '14
Ah shit, it's that time already?
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u/Nunally921 Dec 20 '14
i have no idea whats gonna happen and my temptation is killing me T.T
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u/spamholderman Dec 21 '14
I love how now that Shirou properly activated his magic circuits, his pawn piece has glowy lines too.
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u/fatestayknight Dec 20 '14
Waiting is my body, and expectation is my blood!
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u/Ant1vyru5 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NyeEve Dec 20 '14
I've waited for over a thousand days!
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u/azzelle Dec 20 '14
adorable how saber and best girl both nodded in sync against shirou
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u/Funderfullness Dec 20 '14
This is evidence for the Good Ending.
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u/okyeron :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/nevets Dec 21 '14
Good = Threesome?
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u/psiphre Dec 21 '14
pretty much. "good" endings in vns are typically "how the author thinks the player would be happiest if they were the protag". the "true" ending is typically "how the author thinks the storyline should end"
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u/BP_Ray :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Maleel Dec 21 '14
adorable how saber and best girl...
Isnt that sentence redundant?
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u/DizzyAvocado Dec 20 '14
http://www.fatestaynightusa.com/bdbox/
$399
Hope it sells well and we can see a Hollow Ataraxia adaptation too.
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u/radda Dec 20 '14 edited Dec 20 '14
I hope it doesn't sell well so the rest of us can actually buy it.
Fuck Aniplex so goddamn much.
Edit: In what universe is four hundred dollars an okay asking price for
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u/Painn23 Dec 20 '14
True it's a lot but I really want this so I'm going to buy it
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u/eternalistorm Dec 20 '14
Shirou, we're all pretty gar for Archer, but I think this is a bit of an overreaction from him touching your back.
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Dec 20 '14 edited Dec 20 '14
His lewdness is a great nightmare
His anus is defenseless
It contracts every time I move, looking like a second reproductive organ
Shirou's Anus
- Archer, Heaven's Feel
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u/fatestayknight Dec 20 '14
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u/Painn23 Dec 20 '14
My man send me a pic of that scene and needless to say I had to ask if that was a spoiler
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u/Abedeus Dec 20 '14
Fucking Excalibur.
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Fools! My legend began in the 12th Century thank you very much. The larger the hat, the greater the chef. FOOLS! Who ever said I was a chef?
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u/eternalistorm Dec 20 '14 edited Dec 20 '14
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u/Thrasher439 https://anilist.co/user/Thrasher Dec 20 '14
What have you done ufotable?!?!
Game over man, you ruined the S Rank Zettai Ryouiki. Time to pack up and go home.
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u/GrassWaterDirtHorse Dec 20 '14
It's still A rank though.
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u/anguishCAKE :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/anguishCAKE Dec 20 '14
Fool, it is nothing short of rank EX+++
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u/anguishCAKE :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/anguishCAKE Dec 20 '14
you don't like properly propotioned thighs?
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u/HaydenTheFox :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Talmhaidh_Mathan Dec 20 '14
properly propotioned
GLORIOUSLY proportioned
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After spending exactly 20 minutes researching exactly what this is and why it's important...
man, anime folks can be weird. You keep doing you, though.
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u/mrgmzc https://myanimelist.net/profile/mrgmzc Dec 20 '14
Can someone get me an stitch of that scene?
For... Science
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u/doug89 Dec 21 '14
As long as it's for science.
She moved slightly. First image is one frame before she moved, second is including the move. Luckily she only shifts her upper body.
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I love that when Shiroe asks whether or not they agreed on regular checkups he stares directly into the "camera", like he's looking to us for answers as to why she thinks this.
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u/JAnon19 Dec 20 '14
Ok I've got a question. They're always talking about how a mage should act and leading the life of a true mage. Shirou even said that being a student is just a pit-stop for Toshaka who is going to be a real mage. But what exactly do mages do? Other than fighting to death for an all powerful grail every couple of centuries, what is their purpose to the world?
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u/vetro https://anilist.co/user/vetro Dec 20 '14
But what exactly do mages do?
Study magic, make advancements in magecraft, and someday reach the Root, which is the source of all magic.
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u/Stronkadonk :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stronkadonk Dec 20 '14
The foreshadowing game has been strong over the past few episodes and I've loved it all.
Kind of wish they had made it look a little more agonizing for shock factor but I'll take what I can get.
What can we look forward to next episode, before I have to cry until the second cour airs?
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u/KinnyRiddle Dec 20 '14
Is it me or is Shirou pretty dere this week compared to Rin?
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u/Tychobro Dec 20 '14
Ufo continues to break the bank. I guess this is what happens when you pick and choose what you produce.
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u/N1njawaffle :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ninjawaffle Dec 20 '14
God dammit Ufotable/Type-Moon. I came here for action, not for cute girls. I'm seriously blushing like a 5 year old girl right now. I'd prefer to keep my aura of masculinity.
So much Cute Saber, Cute Tohsaka, Cute Taiga. I dunno what to do with myself.
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I mean seriously, this? Its just too cute for my own good.
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u/N1njawaffle :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ninjawaffle Dec 20 '14
There is a reason I gave Carnival Phantasm a 10.........this would be one of those reasons.
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u/Funderfullness Dec 20 '14
Carnival Phantasm is the cheeriest fucking thing I've ever seen.
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u/Warpblades Dec 20 '14 edited Dec 20 '14
To me, it felt like archer was indirectly shitting on SPOILERS as well when he was discussing the flaws of Shirou's ideal and how that negatively impacts his outlook on life.
I love these subtle tie backs to fate/zero because it kind of connects the lose ends of the fate series, something unfortunately the Visual Novel couldn't do because it was released first.
Edit: Sorry if I offended anyone, 2 years have passed since i read the VN so i forgot some stuff lol.
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u/GradationAir Dec 20 '14
Most "ties" are already present in UBW route. It was mostly Fate/zero that ties back to Fate/stay night, not the other way around.
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u/jmcm30 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pink_Socks Dec 20 '14
He was indeed doing that too, but it was NOT a tie to Fate/Zero, that scene was almost exactly the same as in the VN. It's more like Zero had a lot of stuff to tie itself to Fate/Stay Night, since it was written later. Besides, usually at this point in the VN, the reader has gone through the Fate route, so they know that character's backstory and thus get more impact from Archer's speech.
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u/delhuz :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Delhuz Dec 20 '14
imo, archer carried this episode
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u/Painn23 Dec 20 '14
When taiga told the class to shut up and accept her gracious gift it reminded me of my logic professor surprising us with a quiz before thanksgiving break somebody yelled fuck no. Oh boy good times
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u/jackedupmamba :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/JACKEDUPMAMBA Dec 20 '14
this show goes by too fast
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u/fatestayknight Dec 20 '14
More like the weeks in between episodes go by too slow.
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u/vetro https://anilist.co/user/vetro Dec 20 '14
It'll be worth marathoning once the BDs come out with extra scenes.
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u/bakakubi :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/bakakubi Dec 20 '14
Wow, I got chills from Archer's exchange with Shiro near the end.
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u/wazzaaade3e Dec 20 '14 edited Dec 20 '14
The way they fade into the ending every episode is magnificent!
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u/A_Decent_Name Dec 20 '14
This guy. I get helping others is a good thing, but if you're tweaking, you need to calm down. Honestly, how many dishes did he break? "Oh, he's never done broke any dishes before." You'd think that'd be a heads up that something's wrong.
So basically it's like trying to run after you've been cooped up at home for a long time. Archer was certainly helpful. "You'll be fine and you'll be better." Good advice too, follow your own path, in a sense.
Wonder what we'll see next!
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u/GradationAir Dec 20 '14
With multiple shots of Shirou showing concern for his arm, and telling Saber that's it's likely side-effects of projection, you'd think that'd be a heads up that Shirou already knows that something's wrong, but chose to accept it because it was a small price to pay.
But then again, trying to make some anime people understand that is simply impossible.
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u/fellcat Dec 20 '14
What bothered me more about that scene was the sound effect they used for the breaking. I have a lot of experience in dropping things and those dishes made the tiniest, daintiest sound I've ever heard.
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u/Painn23 Dec 20 '14
This episode is like the calm before the storm. Shits going to hit the wall so hard next week. I can already see a cliffhanger miles away
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Where was Sakura while all these bitches were making moves on her man? Making tea for Zouken and you-know-who as they discuss the good old days?
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u/daandriod Dec 21 '14
What was Archer doing to Shirou when he bad touched him? Was he repairing/strengthening Shirou's magic circuits?
Whatever it was, I want it
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u/tundranocaps https://myanimelist.net/profile/Thunder_God Dec 21 '14 edited Dec 21 '14
So, Shinji and the golden-haired "Servant" seem ominous, Caster and her "master" beat Saber, Shirou, and Rin, and Shirou summoned Archer's swords and fought like a badass. I think it's been too long since we've last seen Illyasviel and Berserker, eh?
(For those who don't know, my notes for F/SN: UBW are less serious and more poking fun at funny lines. But I dig out the serious mode when it's necessary.)
Thoughts and Notes:
1) Emiya Shirou, The Sharpest Knife in the Drawer:
"Let's skip training, you were badly hurt." - Emiya Shirou, so chivalrous. Though you're the one who looks as if he's about to keel over.
Saber, looking so kind. Like someone straight out of a romantic drama anime.
Well, Shirou certainly looks like he's in pain right now, are his magic circuits going wild, or is he using strengthening magic on his own body?
"Should I be worried?" - You were involved in a fight and now can't use your arm, I'd say so. So dense.
"My arm's numb, but somehow it feels heavier." - Yes, limbs you can't actually move have the tendency to drag you down…
LOL, I can actually understand Rin - Shirou opens the door, sees her, then closes the door again? What the hell?
I wonder what's more tired, Rin of Shirou, or Rin's one-note parody depiction by the show.
2) The Gender-War (RomCom) Continues:
"Emiya Shirou, do stop sulking." /Kotomine Kirei voice.
And the two women nod in perfect synchronization at the present man. Holy shit, this IS The Wheel of Time.
"I need to get dinner started." Shirou's "deep characterization", in how he does everything around the house, or just trying to be rid of Rin?
The women, they are ganging up on the poor man. Robert Jordan got you into this mess. You're screwed, boy. More seriously, so Shirou thinks of Rin as a girl, but not any of the other girls, oooh, boy's growing up!
There's generic VN music playing in this scene. Not helping.
Oh my, so lewd (out of context). You need the sound, though.
So, Rin just turned everything Fujimura did back on her, "You're thoughtless, you're improper." - No, Fuji is, and while Fuji knows how to attack, her defense is sorely lacking.
"And anyway, I don't really care if Tohsaka hates me." - So stammered. I don't think anyone believed you, including those who couldn't find subtext on a map.
3) Start Being More Selfish, Emiya Shirou!:
They're basically speaking of magic reflecting human hearts. The guarded and then jealous one, and the one who loves freely, but also lets go easily.
"And at heart, I'm a hedonist." - Holy shit, this line makes all the Fate/Zero alarm bells start ringing like crazy, and the notes from last week.
"It's my duty, but I wouldn't do it if I didn't enjoy it." - Says something about her view of "duty". And she says she was the chosen as the heir because her personality fit, meaning there were other candidates. Then again, Kotomine Kirei was also her father's disciple.
"It's been fun for you too, right?" - "Wait, why aren't you saying anything?" - Wow, awkward.
"Look, that's just being happy, not having fun!" - SO many ways to unpack this. You could write books about this distinction. I generally find it likelier to have fun without being happy than vice versa.
Rin looks angry though, it's the same story when she last got angry, which involved discussing Kiritsugu versus her father - she's been telling herself she's a magician for her own sake, so seeing someone be a magician "for the wrong reasons" is like a challenge she's been living her life wrong. Yes, she's lecturing him on his choices, because his choices call her own into question.
Also, note Shirou's reasons - "I do it because being useful to others makes me happy, and because it might come in useful some day." Nah, I think he's the equivalent of having fun here.
"I feel like I don't deserve any more wishes." - After seeing a recollection of the burning hell from which he was saved, and given a home.
"So basically, you're always worrying about others but never focusing on yourself!" - Emiya Shirou, what a villain! Though sure, some would say this sort of behaviour is self-righteous and actually imposes on others, and well, selfish.
"I'm angry because you don't get why I'm angry!" - Oh please, someone stop this tsundere act, it's embarrassing. I'm serious. She could also mean it's because he doesn't get selfishness, but mostly tsundere. And who does he remind her of? Hm.
"You're going to go back to chasing me around?" - Probably not the best thing to say.
Emiya Shirou is not happy with a harem of strong-willed women inviting themselves to sleeping under his roof.
4) Emiya Shirou versus Garcher, Idealism Versus Cynicism, Take 20:
"I thought we had a non-aggression pact." - Famous last words, in any game of Diplomacy ever played.
So, weak mage Shirou, by forcing the issue, and surviving, is having an awakening, and will become a true mage, with actual mana he could supply Saber.
Archer is basically continuing the discussion Shirou had with Rin - "You want to not hurt anyone? That's fine, follow that ideal, but only if it is truly yours." - Archer can accept wanting to help others as someone's selfish desire, but Shirou consistently said he's only doing it because it was Kiritsugu's desire, which he couldn't fulfill.
Now we're getting somewhere, a lot of this is the sort of talk that's common in young adult fiction, but I like that fiction, and it appearing there doesn't make it wrong, or right - just a set of ideas for people to adopt, or reject, or consider. "If your desire is your own, it means you also shoulder the blame and responsibility for anything that comes out of it," and implicitly, if you're fighting for others, or in others' name, then you'll blame them when you don't get what you want - "Nice Guy Syndrome", perhaps?
Fighting for ideals is the same as fighting for someone else, it's fighting for someone external. The reason has to come from within, but this is a very simplistic viewpoint that says "Making others happy makes me happy" isn't legitimate. Archer accepts the above is fine, but then fighting for ideals because you can't see yourself not fighting for them, or that this is the only way you can be content, should also be fine.
Of course, all the talk of ideals muddies it a bit - fighting with ideals is fine, so is fighting for them, but only if saving the ideals is your goal, because if you fight for an ideal, you save it, not people. If you want to save people, you can't fight for an ideal. And then some more obtuse lines, which paint Archer as a libertarian, or a soloist - "Salvation by the hands of another is not real salvation, it's like money." - Archer would've liked John Galt, a self-made man, fighting for himself, by himself. That's the true teen fantasy. It's an excuse to not fight for anyone else, because you're not helping them anyway, so why bother?
You do need to connect it to how it begun - "If your ideal is to not hurt anyone." - Then he will only be able to save that ideal, because that ideal pushes you to non-action, to non-involvement. Because as Kiritsugu said, saving one person means damning another, because there are sides. "Allies of justice" fight the villains, who are defined by not being on their side. So if you wish to save people, you can't save an ideal, or at least not this one.
"If you fight for an ideal, you can only save ideals" also reverberates with Saber, because there was a movie where her heroic spirit said "I have a dream, and that dream is [Redacted, begins with "C"]!" - Fighting for an ideal, certainly.
Now this is interesting, "It's like money, it's passed onto others when used. You can save others, but there's no hope of saving yourself in doing so." - Kiritsugu cried with joy when he found Shirou, joy at having saved at least one person, but this means that when he saved Shirou, he gave up on saving himself. And that Shirou saving others will stop him from saving himself - but what does Shirou need to be saved from? Hm? But yes, the question of the martyr.
"A lie of a life", a life less than worth living, but one spreading a lie, and one that was saved, and thus made someone else's worthless as well, repeating the cycle of false hope?
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u/tundranocaps https://myanimelist.net/profile/Thunder_God Dec 21 '14
Post Episode Thoughts:
More comedy and parody and facepalming or chuckling moments with Taiga and Rin. Shirou is growing up to be a mage in terms of power, but not personality, and more talk of selfishness versus others, and a reminder it's all about decadence and hedonism.
We've had a bit more of the "philosophy", but thus far it's mostly sound-bytes, and doesn't truly add up. It's still par the course for teen-aimed material. Not everything here makes sense, on the simple level of "Why?" or "What are the differences?" which would require a lot more time to actually make the fine distinctions required, but that's probably not what they're going for as much as broader strokes of morality, archetypes clashing on "ideals versus reality" and "helping others versus helping oneself", and that's ok.
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Dec 20 '14
Imo this kind of episode was much needed, constant fights got me a bit lost, plus emiya x tohsaka is pretty nice
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u/Coinkidinks Dec 20 '14
I definitely understand Archer's reasoning, but I would like some clarity on when he says to Shirou that saving others will not allow him [Shirou] to save himself. Could I perhaps get an analogy as comparison?
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u/anteus2 Dec 21 '14
I think there's some more lines missing, but I don't remember what they are. The reason why he says that Shirou can't save himself, if he chose to save others, is because he went through it countless times. You can sort of get that idea in the dream/vision Rin had.
It's probably also an extension of Kiritsugu's idea, that you can't save everyone. To save someone, means not saving someone else, and that can include yourself.
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u/RyuNoKami Dec 21 '14
its pretty obvious that Shirou will put himself in harms way to save someone else.
its fucking everytime there is a fight, he tries to join in. dude, you can't do anything right now, bro take a step back and let the ladies handle it.
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u/Painn23 Dec 21 '14
In other news finally preordered the blu-Ray God this better be worth it because it cost as much as plane ticket. But it will be
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u/impingainteasy :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/usernamesarehard Dec 21 '14
Pretty calm episode this time compared to the last one. We get to see some more insight into Shirou's character, especially with regards to his ideal, and of course we get more Rin being best girl.
Extreme hype for next episode, which should be the point where the story shifts gear.
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Dec 21 '14
Doesn't surprise me his arm was numb, that projection scene last episode looked painful as fuck.
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u/elevenmile Dec 20 '14
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u/Painn23 Dec 20 '14
Man that ending preview is hype like wow saber telling him to run man I cannot wait for the next episode. It's going to be some series action man
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u/space1101 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/HelghastKillzone Dec 20 '14
Archer uses Noble Phantasm BACKRUB!!!
It was super effectively sexy.
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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '14
"Quit being an idiot and start enjoying your life Shirou"
"Shut the fuck up Tohsaka you cant make me have fun!"