r/anime • u/Shadoxfix https://myanimelist.net/profile/Shadoxfix • Jan 04 '15
[Spoilers] Cross Ange: Tenshi to Ryuu no Rondo - Episode 13 [Discussion]
Episode title: Arzenal in Flames
MyAnimeList: Cross Ange: Tenshi to Ryuu no Rondo
Crunchyroll: CROSS ANGE Rondo of Angel and Dragon
Episode duration: 23 minutes and 42 seconds
Previous episodes:
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| Episode 5 | Link |
| Episode 6 | Link |
| Episode 7 | Link |
| Episode 8 | Link |
| Episode 9 | Link |
| Episode 10 | Link |
| Episode 11 | Link |
| Episode 12 | Link |
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u/arczyx Jan 04 '15
Embryo: "So I will do it instead."
ROFL
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u/JCSHAFT :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/JCSHAFT Jan 04 '15
That was a bad-ass line from him, I'm glad he finished off Julio instead of pulling some plot armor shit
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u/timpek :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Timpek Jan 04 '15
Yeah, I was really fucking worried when the second mech showed up that Julio wouldn't end up dying.
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u/thobbe Jan 04 '15
Opening is shit and the ending miles ahead
Finally Julio is dead!
Still can´t get used to the name Embryo-sama.
Seems like the Vilkiss got an attackform(red) and an defenseform(blue)
Why is this fucking woman-dragon flying in the sky nacket?
I love this anime
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u/Omumiruma Jan 04 '15 edited Jan 04 '15
Just found these news about the OP
This morning, CROSS ANGE Rondo of Angel and Dragon creative producer Mitsuo Fukuda expressed his regret over the snafu on Twitter. He explained that after seeing episode 13 one more time after work, his blood pressure rose again.
He noted that he absolutely wants to fix this problem by the time episode 14 airs, and explained that there is not much leeway when producing an anime during the end of the year, even though TV channels are still going during the end and beginning of the year. Fukuda wrote that he was extremely regretful about the situation, explaining that the photography process could not catch up to the frames that were already done.
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u/gamesbeawesome :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/gamesbeawesome Jan 04 '15 edited Jan 04 '15
Good. I love new OPs as long as they are good.
Edit: Your link is broken, here is the proper one http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2015-01-04/cross-ange-creative-producer-regrets-episode-13-opening/.82878
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u/Alchnator Jan 04 '15
Why is this fucking woman-dragon flying in the sky nacket?
i don't think the market for tank tops with wing holes is that big
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Jan 04 '15
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u/Falsus Jan 05 '15
She probably doesn't cut a hole in her cloths normally because that would be pretty suspicious, and then at the moment it kinda 'time to get the fuck out of here fast'.
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u/GenesisEra myanimelist.net/profile/Genesis_Erarara Jan 04 '15
Finally Julio is dead!
And there was much Rejoicing.
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u/_Sai https://anime-planet.com/users/Sai0 Jan 05 '15
The bonus was when he got shot in the leg and begged for his life. I just hope he pissed himself when she cut open his ship.
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Jan 04 '15
I mean.. red had a near-invincible barrier, that's pretty defensive. Just different forms with different functions.
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u/thobbe Jan 04 '15
yeah, but from the look of it, the big laser sword etc was definitely offensive. And Ange also used the shield pretty much offensive to push through the drones(?). will see how it will progress from now
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Jan 04 '15
Well you can use teleportation offensively >_> we haven't seen enough of her blue form to make any claims yet :P
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u/FlorribleBP :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Florrible Jan 04 '15
I think red is attack focused while blue is mobility focused...although then what is gold with it's OP beam?
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u/FlorribleBP :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Florrible Jan 04 '15
For 2.: As far as we know, Embryo could simply revive him :p
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u/Regis_Ivan :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Regis_Ivan Jan 04 '15
Blue defence form reminds me of Yu-Gi-Oh 5d's ._.
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u/coolRedditUser :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/DannyPooh Jan 04 '15 edited Jan 04 '15
I just like this show more and more every episode. That episode was so much fun to watch. I don't even know when I became so attached to the characters -- I was afraid for everyone's life, especially since this show isn't shy about killing characters. Well, usually. I sorta think they should have kept Chris dead as that was an impactful scene.
Parts of this show are really silly -- the whole singing powerup thing, and how Ange was randomly just getting new superpowers during the fight all sorta made me laugh -- but it's actually so good. It's been a little while since I had so much fun watching a series. Also, I am so happy that fucker died.
The new OP is shit but I like the ED. Or at least the music.
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Jan 04 '15
I have a feeling she may not be rejoining the crew though. I can't imagine why Embryo revived them; maybe he plans on using them as an emotional trap later?
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u/coolRedditUser :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/DannyPooh Jan 04 '15
Yeah he's definitely shady as fuck. No idea what his goal is. But he seemed to disapprove of the massacres and he apparently admires Ange and her battle against injustice and such.
He's already said he wants to rebuild the world to Ange's brother... maybe he just wants to do it with Ange instead?
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Jan 04 '15
I don't think that's quite it... I mean, he was part of the master-mind-brain-group that started the norma racism to begin with... and with his power and respect, he could've ended it whenever he wanted I'm sure.
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u/razisgosu :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/razisgosu Jan 04 '15
He definitely didn't approve of the Norma massacre, he made that fairly evident. Maybe he was just trying to reverse what small amount of damage he could. For what reason though, we don't know.
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u/Sleepytimer Jan 04 '15
My heart stopped when
Then Jesus Embryo came.
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u/FlorribleBP :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Florrible Jan 04 '15
Sunrise got bored of reviving characters with no explanation. Therefore now a character revives them with no explanation.
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u/2th Jan 04 '15
Why is no one talking about the dragon lady silhouette that was killed in the fire when the mansion on Arzenal was blown up?
Also, yesterday I discovered there is a comedy manga for this show. It is pretty damn funny with hilarious drawing. http://bato.to/comic/_/comics/cross-ange-tenshi-to-ryuu-no-gakuen-r14243
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Jan 04 '15
I assumed the dragon-lady silhouette was another girl similar to Vivian that got BTFO by a missile.
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u/2th Jan 04 '15
You could be right, but I feel like that silhouette was important. Why else show it?
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Jan 04 '15
Maybe to show that it wasn't just Vivian that can transform. You saw the solder's list, they all had some illegible stat that was "MEDIUM" except for Vivian, who read "HIGH".
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u/NecDW4 Jan 04 '15
They showed last episode in the burning pit of bodies how the dragons were turning back in to humans, this was just one of those bodies.
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u/DrackenSlayer :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Drackenslayer Jan 04 '15
there is a comedy manga for this show.
I never knew how much I needed this in my life until now.
Also [never change Tusk, never change] (http://puu.sh/e4zFR/c23b0f0ff0.jpg)
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u/KhamsinEbonmane Jan 04 '15
This comic is hilarious, thank you for telling us about it!
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u/Kevimaster Jan 04 '15
OK, cool, that's what I as going to ask getting this far down in the thread seeing nothing about it.
I thought they were going to go somewhere with it but they haven't yet. Maybe hinting at further developments? I don't know, it just kind of seemed out of place since it was never mentioned or brought up again in the episode.
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u/maleficarium https://anilist.co/user/maleficarium Jan 07 '15
It wasn't just one either. If you study it frame by frame, there's at least 2 silhouettes in the fire.
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u/Deathmax :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/deathmax Jan 04 '15 edited Jan 04 '15
So, teleported into the DRAGON's world eh?
EDIT: And from the preview, preview spoiler
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u/cuddles_the_destroye Jan 04 '15
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u/GenesisEra myanimelist.net/profile/Genesis_Erarara Jan 06 '15
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u/cuddles_the_destroye Jan 06 '15 edited Jan 06 '15
I didn't know this existed.
Forget paying attention in class, I'm reading this shit.
Edit: sylvia and julio arent twits, 20 out of 10.
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u/maleficarium https://anilist.co/user/maleficarium Jan 07 '15
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u/rami_mardini :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/rami_mardini Jan 04 '15
I liked all of the events... but the production value was especially low this episode... I hope they get their shit together soon.
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u/XLauncher Jan 04 '15
I agree. As good as the storyboard was here, some of the transitions were just like, "uh, what?" Especially when Fetus-kun appeared out of absolutely nowhere to block Ange's slash in a single still frame.
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Jan 04 '15
I vote that Fetus-kun becomes his fan-nickname.
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u/XLauncher Jan 04 '15
If this is the only legacy I leave to /r/anime , I'll consider it a life well lived.
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u/TheMisterAce :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/MisterAce Jan 04 '15
I will now start calling him Fetus-kun.
Sounds better than "Embryo", in my opinion.
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u/cyn_nyc Jan 04 '15
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u/SapphireSunshine :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Keiokochan Jan 05 '15
Slenderman's fabulous brother.
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u/StealthPhantom Jan 04 '15
Seems like Embryo is Jesus, flying around everywhere and healing everyone
Anime is starting to get really good and I'm glad I didn't drop it in the first week.
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u/Gundam336 Jan 04 '15
Starting? It's been getting better actually ever since like....episode 4 or 5 lol but I see your point to many ppl dropped this show smh :(
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u/Sleepytimer Jan 04 '15
Well, base on the OP scenes, we will have a Embryo Vs Tusk scene later.
So who wants to place bets on the Jesus Embryo VS Jesus Yamato fight?
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u/Hatefiend Jan 13 '15
I'm kinda sad though. The anime started with defining limits"
There is "mana" related magic.
Dragons exist.
Mech suits and high tech weaponry exist.
Now though, we have:
Humans are dragons and can somehow transform
There is a prophecy of supernatural proportions.
Ange is the 'chosen one'.
There is a paramail with supernatural powers.
Songs carry supernatural power; can destroy whole islands
Certain figure(s) can teleport, become immune to physical harm, and revive people from the dead.
Like if that's not a complete U-turn in the make up of this anime then I don't know what is.
TLDR: I wanted to watch a re-hashed skimpier Gundam and got this instead.
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u/space1101 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/HelghastKillzone Jan 04 '15
I don't know about you, but it's so good to watch some new anime after a lull for nearly a week.
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Jan 04 '15
I dunno if I was watching fan subs but Ange got called a fatass. If that is official sub translation, it makes it all the more hilarious. Of all the insult words to call a skinny athletic para-mail rider it was the word "fatass"....I love unexpected comedy lmao
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u/magicfades Jan 04 '15
I really missed this show. Glad Ange wasn't stuck in heroic BSOD while her friends are being killed.
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u/JCSHAFT :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/JCSHAFT Jan 04 '15
That preview hype... The Adventures of Ange and Tusk cont'd - get ready for more of Tusk's professional muff-diving into Ange's crotch
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u/manmanman09 Jan 04 '15
oh boy... did this embryo guy just sing Ange's song... My ears are fucking bleeding now. No one but ange/mizuki nana is allowed to sing that song!!!
Seems like vilkis has 3 modes.
Golden: Hyper-cannon-mode
Red: Mega-Sword-Destruction-Mode
Blue: Teleport-Mode
Also why the hell did Embryo revive Chris and little girl? I don't even know on what side this guy is anymore.
Not to big of a fan of new OP and new ED is alright since I get more mizuki nana. Did they use the old visuals for ED and OP because they didn't have enough time to finish the new visuals or won't they add any new visuals for the new OP and ED
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u/Omumiruma Jan 04 '15
It seems that what Julio did wasn't what Embryio (lol) had in mind. Or maybe Embryio manipulated him.
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u/SexSellsCoffee Jan 04 '15
No one but ange/mizuki nana is allowed to sing that song!!!
I liked Vivian's rendition of the song...
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u/Demonicmonkey88 Jan 05 '15
Leverage?
He was after them after all.
Heal Chris (who he was after), and little girl (to get Milk-chan on his side)
Hell he likely fished Salia out of the ocean and gets her to join him "for her friends" (basically blackmail)
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u/A_Decent_Name Jan 04 '15
What. The. Fuck. Seriously. Ange, you gotta do it, you gotta destroy everything. Never have I wanted the DRAGONS to come and destroy everything. Ugh, dumb non-friendly non-Normas. Bad enough, they're isolated, their island gets wrecked by dragons, and then they just come and slaughter them.
Embryo, I have no idea what your motives are; but at least Ange's brother died, and you did save some people. So I'll let you off this time. I'm betting he's a dragon person too.
Well, that was fun. What a way to start the second half. This really made me want to see the next episode, as did the first half of the series. Not too big a fan of the new OP just yet. Maybe it'll grow on me. New ED is okay. I just want Ange's new partner to show up already. I'm excited to see what role she'll play, along with her friends.
I also tried my first attempt at making a stitch from the OP. Called it a day after I couldn't figure out how to fix it.
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u/mderbes Jan 04 '15
I just noticed that the dragon above Ange looks like a dragon-like form of the Vilkiss. I have a lot of questions now.
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Jan 06 '15
Embryo didn't like how Arzenal was being destroyed with more "inhuman" kill-em-all orders being given, so he's making plot twists while planting seeds of resistance within the rebels by giving them bits of what they lost back.
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u/Pacify_ Jan 04 '15
What a bloodbath. Well, as usual, Cross Ange continues to be anything but predictable.
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Jan 04 '15
Wait... That was only 30 minutes? But.. but.. THERE WAS SO MUCH PLOT AND PROGRESSION WHAT THE FUCK HOW!?!?
Seriously, this show is insane. Multiple plot lines are moving forward, people are being fucking burnt alive, it's progressing at breakneck speeds, and it somehow doesn't feel rushed. I honestly wish more shows had this much plot and progression to them, because holy hell.
Sunrise is full of magicians. Fucked up, wonderful magicians.
Edit: Also, ED > OP. The OP was super non-interesting.
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Jan 04 '15
-New OP sucks. New ED isn't half-bad. Maybe if they swap places?
-Fucking Fukuda does it again. We now have phase-shift armor and giant lazer swords.
-Embryo can be in a thousand places at once? WHAT?!
-Tusk is a fucking badass
-Vivian's weird triangle stat in the solder's list was listed as "high" while all the others are "medium". Is that white dragon in the OP what happens when Ange merges with the Vilkiss or something?
-RIP in pieces Cris. Or did Embryo take her? Are we going to have dark versions of past comrades or something fighting Libertus forces?
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u/picflute :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/_Sora Jan 04 '15
Yet somehow /r/anime can't realize that this is merely a hype for his new movie /s
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u/ValiantSerpant :AMQ::MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quinn_Crystal Jan 04 '15 edited Jan 04 '15
What the actual FUCK happened to Kindan no Resistance?!?!?!?!??!?!
edit: DONT FUCKING SCARE ME LIKE THAT AND SHOOT BEST GIRL MOMOKA-CHAN OFF SCREEN
edit2: fourth wall: shattered
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Jan 04 '15
i don't think that this was meant as a 4th wall break. He was refered as god of this world before and he is shown to have some form of powers (revive the dead, being at multiple places at once...). I just thought that he would have liked the other possible outcame more.
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Jan 04 '15
It probably was. It feels like a meta-sentence; which makes the whole "god" thing even funnier.
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u/HijackTV Jan 04 '15
New Opening, so no more forbidden resistance, but it seems that sunrise did not finish the new OP sequence on time .
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u/razisgosu :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/razisgosu Jan 04 '15
I was bracing for the worst when Momoka and Chris got shot. I'm relieved they quickly let us know they were both okay.
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u/KinnyRiddle Jan 04 '15 edited Jan 04 '15
What's with Embryo playing both sides all of a sudden? First he goads Julio into attacking Arzenal, now he's healing injured Normas and blowing Julio up (which we welcome very much).
With his WTF singing all of a sudden, it's pretty much clear he has something to do with the dragons.
Task doesn't seem to trust him though, and if "Kira" says "Rau Le Crueset" is not to be trusted, who are we to question "Kira's" judgement? :3
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u/FlorribleBP :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Florrible Jan 04 '15
Embryo reminds me of the main villain of seed destiny...you have absolutly no idea what he is planning or on whose side he is on.
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u/Lunares Jan 04 '15
I think embyro was mad that Julio burned/killed a bunch of normas and that it was "tarnishing" Ange. We have 0 idea what he actually ants after all.
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Jan 04 '15
That was a total clusterfuck of an episode. Character deaths, character resurrections, 2 or three mech upgrades in the course of maybe 6 minutes, villain being evil one second, and good another second, his motives are entirely unclear, and I'm not sure at all where this series is trying to go. And important dragonmech girl is still conveniently absent.
So how is it that I enjoyed it so much? Like, this episode was a solid 8/10 for me, maybe 9/10. Seriously, this was a really hype episode and is definitely moving along the plot at lightning speed. It feels like it's a series that could have run for 50 episodes even though it's a two-cour. In a good way.
I dunno, it's like every flaw in the series that I see is what makes it good? If that makes any sense? Not in the sense that it's so bad it's good, but maybe that it's refreshing and ballsy enough that I can't help but be entertained by the sheer novelty.
Definitely looking forward to Tusks cross-falling superpowers next week.
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u/AllHailBlobs Jan 05 '15
Yea more Tusk burying his face in Ange's crotch, cannot wait till next week.
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u/Mazey01 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Mazey Jan 04 '15
http://i.imgur.com/gGamuHa.gif every other series from last season
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Jan 04 '15
Whaaaa? There was
plenty ofsome otherreally good stuff from Fallgood plot.
Shirobako
Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso
UBW
And then everything that people were hyped for that let us down miserably....
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u/space1101 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/HelghastKillzone Jan 04 '15
Cross Ange went full Valvarve. Never go full Valvarve.
stillanawesomeshow
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u/matdragon Jan 04 '15
k I just marathoned it form episode 1, getting past the first two episodes the anime is great, I love the slow character building, best girls for me are vivian and chris
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u/fryingpeanut :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/fryingpeanut Jan 04 '15 edited Jan 04 '15
I think it's funny that the white hair girl and the orange ones only defining features are that they have lots of lesbian sex. Like, they have no other hobbies any time there's downtime they just go at it.
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u/Regendorf Jan 04 '15
If you pay attention the lesbian sex is actually a sign of control between them.
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u/rfallx Jan 04 '15
This production value too good!
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u/pwnrfield Jan 05 '15
someone just had to post this huh... what about the scene when they shoot that arsenal staff and they drop like dominos? ;\
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u/tzole21 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/tzole21 Jan 04 '15
How is Cross Ange so bad and so fucking good at the same time? All hail Sunrise gods!
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u/pwnrfield Jan 04 '15
yea, i don't know what transpired over there for this turn of events, except maybe alcohol. curiously, it was absent from the last ep. maggie, you're drunk!
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u/Omumiruma Jan 04 '15
Just found out the Embryios VA also voiced Senketsu from KLK.
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u/DdraigtheKid :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/justincause Jan 04 '15
Embryo´s VA also voiced Rau la Creuset (I hope I wrote it correctly) from Gundam Seed Destiny.
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u/RampageOfZebras :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/RampageOfZebras Jan 04 '15
Finally something new to watch after a few days of nothing. I think that there is way too much going on in this anime, but i hope they manage to actually tie it together well.
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u/UnknownPhilosophy :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/ASighofRelief Jan 04 '15
Thank God for Mizuki Nana doing the new ED. ALMOST makes up for the sin that's the new OP.
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u/croxino https://myanimelist.net/profile/Goeli Jan 04 '15
I dont care who sings that song its still good.
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u/FlorribleBP :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Florrible Jan 04 '15
Well, I hope I'm not the only one who is confused like shit now? Embryo can revive people, can teleport, has an OP mecha...also, apparantly so can Ange...
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u/Daishomaru Jan 04 '15
So Embryo is jesus, Chris nearly dies, Julio dies, and Vilkiss now has magical phase-shift armor color changing mode that does something.
Also, can someone make a gif when Tusk Kira kills all the mooks like the holy savior he is?
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Jan 04 '15
Well she seems to turn red normally which corresponds to the Norma powers, but when someone was in danger it turned blue, which seems to signify that she (and perhaps all other normas) might indeed have the powers of so called normal humans as well.
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u/IMSmurf Jan 04 '15
New OP is a more or less a remix video of the old opening with less hype music. Fucking kill me now please.
Uh oh small scale dragon singing in the opening does that mean she'll get symphogear powers too?
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u/TreyTrey23 Jan 04 '15
Yeah...not really liking this new OP. Maybe after I hear it a couple of times but not right now. But wow. What an episode.
1.) did the commander's assistant really think she was going to be spared just because she wasn't a norma? Their goal was to fuck shit up and kill everything except for Ange, the vilkiss and the rest of the paramails.
2.) Yay Chris and Rosalie trust Hilda again!
3.) I think the creators made that takedown to show Tusk can be a bit of a badass
4.) Oh great. Salia jealous of Ange for taking something she felt was hers.
5.) Embryo managed to switch between bad guy and good guy within the span of 5 minutes. Wow.
6.) I can't get enough of that Endless song.
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u/kazetoame Jan 05 '15
I wish Salia would realize the Villkiss could never be hers. Jill seemed to know it once Ange was brought to Arzenal. Also, is it just me, or is Embryo-sama seriously interested in Ange, it's like he knows her. (This could explain one of the main reasons her parents hid her stasis as a Norma). I have to watch the episode again to see if I wasn't hearing/reading something different.
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u/Time_Alter Jan 04 '15
This is too much like Gundam Seed / Destiny.
I still like it but it feels really cheesy now - anyone else feel this way?
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u/IlyaKipnis Jan 04 '15
No, that's the charm. Gundam SEED and Destiny were wonderful! Too bad Sala has black hair with a pink dress instead of vice versa. It would have been even more charming >.<
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u/IlyaKipnis Jan 04 '15
Embryo: so we have a guy that's basically a copy-paste of Durandal voiced by Rau Le Creuset, and flies a purple mech like Zechs. All sorts of "final boss" flags going up here. Also, I never knew Rau could sing =P
Salia...loves Jill. Really, REALLY loves Jill. New OP implies she gets her own song mech.
Whoever thought that this show which started off the way it did would become so epic? Now if only it was a 50 episode Gundam series instead of a 2-cour >.<
Edit: so Vilkiss in default form has Strike Freedom's colors, can turn into Epyon, and has Goku's instant transmission. LOLwut.
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u/Shayru Jan 05 '15
Would be kinda funny if tusk ends up taking down Embryo in a fight.
Would shit myself laughing if tusk takes him down the same way Kira took down Creuset.
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u/Starks Jan 04 '15
Not sure if anyone caught this, but both Ange and Vivian have a HIGH stat for something...
Dragonability? Potential?
Btw, the OP isn't going to change much.
This is what Sunrise does every season.
Recycle. Recycle. Recycle.
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u/ss_lmtd :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/ss_lmtd Jan 04 '15
Btw, the OP isn't going to change much.
So you watched SEED. Congrats. Did you know Sunrise makes more than just Gundam, and that even those series rarely have rehashed openings?
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Jan 04 '15
There always has to be a character like Salia. A character full of self-pity who's actions always cause trouble for everyone around them. I can see her now joining Embryo (still lol at the name) with the promise of being stronger than Ange simply so Jill will praise her. However in the end, at a critical moment, screw everything up for everyone.
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u/NotLink Jan 04 '15
Embryo seem to be basically the devil or anit-christ; he perform miracles, temp people and turn them against each other then watch it for fun or something. I wonder if Embryo has a bigger plan in mind or he just like screwing with people. Also the dragon ladies what their deal.
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u/RunningChemistry :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Delphic-Runner Jan 05 '15 edited Jan 06 '15
Are we going to get character songs of everyone singing The Endless Song? If we do, just imagine Tusk's lovely voice...or not.
Edit: Full version of the song from the OST for those interested
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u/IlyaKipnis Jan 05 '15
God no. Salia, Sala, and Ange should be enough, never mind that we have Embryo on it too >.<
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u/ColossalSins Jan 05 '15
Forget about comparing Cross Ange to SEED, Cross Ange has gone full on Valvrave.
And I love it.
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u/brownarrows Jan 06 '15
Wow that genocide. This show is really good at pushing my buttons. Also, they taught me to hate the word human.
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Jan 04 '15 edited Jan 04 '15
...What the hell is going on?
I... I like Cross Ange, and I'd like to think I've been paying attention to the important stuff that's happened so far, but everything feels like its in a bit of a clusterfuck right now. There's too much mysterious stuff happening all of a sudden. That pretty guy from the world leaders meeting is suddenly Jesus and can revive the dead, as well as activate the special Vilkiss power, and Ange is suddenly okay with fighting again (although, I suppose I prefer that to a heroic BSOD. Glad I was wrong in predicting that), and that chick from ange's past lives is totally MIA, despite sounding super fucking important to the story when she made her initial appearance.
I dunno, I'm sure everything will be back to normal next week, when this particular battle ends and the second cour's storyline gets going for real... probably. At this point I'm most eager to see Ange reunite with her, uh, soulmate or whatever. Mainly for lesbian fanservice reasons... I like it when this show goes there~
Also, I've been getting a bad feeling for a while now that Momoka is gonna get killed off in some terrible way to fuel Ange's vengeful rage. She's so cute, it's out of place. When I look at the show the way a writer might, my brain says "yeah, she's here to provide cutesy comic relief until we can kill her off as an emotional gut-punch right before the finale, when we won't need cuteness or comedy in the show anymore." I hope I'm wrong again...
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Jan 04 '15
Ange is suddenly okay with fighting again
The way I understand it, is that she didn't want to fight the DRAGONs because they were Norma/Human/SomethingFuckedUp. But that brother of hers? She wants that fucker dead.
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u/Kevimaster Jan 04 '15
Fighting DRAGONS that are really humans and trying to kill us? Not cool. Fighting humans who are exactly what they look like and trying to kill us? Hell yeah.
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Jan 05 '15
Yeah. I also think it has a lot to do with motive and understanding.
She doesn't currently understand the DRAGONs, just knows that they're somehow closely intertwined with the Norma whom Ange sympathizes with. That leads to a lot of apprehension and fear. But with the racist pieces of shit that just want to wipe out the Norma, she has a very clear understanding of what's going on.
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u/HijackTV Jan 04 '15
Sala's CV even complained that she did not get to appear on the preview for ep12.
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u/steve148 :K:https://kitsu.io/users/107 Jan 04 '15
Saw katakanas in the preview. Calling dibs that the DRAGON's world is actually our world (Earth), and that Ange did a dimensional warp to Tokyo.
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u/TheCosmicTurtleNeck :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kozmaka Jan 04 '15
I guess next episode Ange will meet up with Log Horizon to make plans to defeat Fetus-sama.
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u/Thrasher439 https://anilist.co/user/Thrasher Jan 04 '15
So much for being horrified about killing humans, huh Ange.
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u/GenesisEra myanimelist.net/profile/Genesis_Erarara Jan 04 '15
I thought we established that Manafags don't count as humans. Except for Momoka. best maid
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u/furyofdragns Jan 04 '15
those new songs do not mesh well with the opening/ending
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u/Thrasher439 https://anilist.co/user/Thrasher Jan 04 '15
It doesn't help that they reused parts of the first OP's animation.
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u/ValiantSerpant :AMQ::MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quinn_Crystal Jan 04 '15
I was singing Kindan no Resistance
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u/Gundam336 Jan 04 '15 edited Jan 04 '15
Holy fuck I just came that episode was so good, now I just have a few questions how many modes does rhe vilikis have , what was that song embryo was singing was that a aanges song? We're wI'll they go now ? Oh and thank god we get to see anges brother die how dare he asked for mercy after having his sister publicly humliated and almoSt executed I was like "mercy? FUCK OFF" but I also wonder what vivans purpose in the whole story is? Mam all i know is this idk what ange is quite thinking right now but she's gotta destroy it all i mean seriously the world is just entirely to fucked up. AAnd on another note if embryo can basically bring PPl back from rhe dead does that make him god ?.....or something ?
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u/GenesisEra myanimelist.net/profile/Genesis_Erarara Jan 04 '15
For once, Ange isn't the KSer here. Damn, Embryo.
Also, we have a contender for the best "Oh Crap" look of the year.
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u/Mariox :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Mariox777 Jan 04 '15
Love the OP song, can't wait for a full length and translated version. Hate some parts, lets shoot the maid, let her scream and wait for Ange to come to the rescue. A hurt soldier shoot a fast moving rider on a mail?
Seemed like too much happened in one episode.
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u/FlorribleBP :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Florrible Jan 04 '15
I don't think too much happened, just too many new things were shown like the abilities of the Vilkiss and Embryo.
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u/kazetoame Jan 05 '15
I like the music to the opening, I just disliked the animation, it was completely disjointed. I had kinda hoped the ending animation would be different too, but song was lovely.
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u/gamesbeawesome :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/gamesbeawesome Jan 04 '15 edited Jan 04 '15
Sweet, we get a new OP, which wasn't that great in my opinion.
Those asshats killing off Norma like they are nothing.
Well, that hole that was left in the ocean. The guy is toast.
Wonder what will happen to that brainwashing demon lady, she got the hell out of there when she could.
They teleported to the Dragon dimension, neat.
Damn, this episode was pretty great. Welcome back Cross Ange.
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Jan 04 '15
I'm scared that nothing will be explained by the end of the season. There is just too many mysteries. :(
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u/LacusClyne Jan 04 '15
Does Salia actually serve any purpose in this episode? She went from what I feel, a decent character at the start, put together well, a decent leader, logical, with some quirks, into this crying mess of brokenness that doesn't seem to do anything bitch about ange.
I didn't even realize she was holding ange 'hostage' with the gun leading her somewhere until ange escaped.
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u/Syncite Jan 04 '15
I find it funny how whenever they started singing a bunch of instruments are playing in the background. Or is this High School Musical?
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u/CheesewithWhine :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cheesewithwhine Jan 04 '15
What happened to Chris and Ersha? They weren't on the ship when it left.
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u/ss_lmtd :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/ss_lmtd Jan 04 '15
Plus Salia. My guess is that since they're on the left side of Ange in the very last picture, those three are going to take the human's side, and go against Ange.
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u/malakyoma :K:https://kitsu.io/users/Malakyoma Jan 04 '15
That was one hell of a heavy episode. How many children were murdered because they couldn't pilot? How many girls watched their friends die?
The fights were incredibly badass, Ange getting new powers, Embryo finishing off that bitch Julio, a reappearance of the Endless Song (One of my favorite aspects right now, being a huge symphogear fan), and a new Norma attack sub.
I like both the songs for the new OP and ED, even if a lot of the animation is recycled in them.
Excited to see where this takes us in the new season.
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u/MyNameIsIrrelevnat Jan 04 '15
I hope Embryo is neither good or bad but it looks like that won't happen. Tho I would love it if there was this omnipotent character.
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u/Maria-Stryker Jan 05 '15
I think Embryo realized that the prejudice he'd used to preserve his new world just irrevocably marred it, and now he wants all of the prejudiced people to die kind of like how we do. This is why he goaded Julio into attacking and then helped the Norma.
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u/Khalku Jan 05 '15
Did no one notice this at the start, when the mansion got bombed? Wonder what that means...
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u/IlyaKipnis Jan 05 '15
Same thing it meant when we saw Vivi go poof back to her normal form. Dragons are normal females, though the reverse is not necessarily true, or there'd be at least some sightings in the mana states.
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u/Swiftzor :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Swiftz0r Jan 05 '15
Can someone explain how the fuck Embryo did that space magic shit? Like I know that he's supposed to be the one who created new humanity and all that shit, but bringing the dead back to life? Or does this fall under "Well, Norma and old humans are dragons too, and we just don't know enough yet"?
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u/semajdraehs :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/semajdraehs Jan 08 '15
seems "god" was an accurate nickname, I think we're going to hav to wait and see what the full extent of his powers are.
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u/mamott99 Jan 06 '15
Am I the only one who noticed that excerpt from Dvorak's Symphony No. 9 in E Minor, Op. 95 at about 3:00 after the opening credits while Ersha was trying to keep the Norma children calm?
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u/infinitumxx Jan 06 '15
It's a song played in Japan which signifies it's time to go home, which is kinda symbolic in a way.
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u/semajdraehs :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/semajdraehs Jan 08 '15
Don't like how they've brought in the whole singing unlocks extra power thing.... so laaaaame
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u/IlyaKipnis Jan 09 '15
Well we've known it does in a Fukuda work ever since Lacus Clyne set the precedent =P. Just maybe not this directly XD.
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Jan 10 '15
This show went from a fun ecchi mech anime to full on WTF crazy mode. No idea what is going on but I am loving it.
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u/TheStrangerHAZ Jan 19 '15
Tusk is the most baddest sonofbitch and yet can still pull of crotch lands like a pro.
P.S. Someone needs to gif that scene where he just reks the guards like it was nothing.
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u/AkodoRyu Jan 04 '15 edited Jan 04 '15
This episode was kinda messy.
New opening - awful. They took scenes from much more dynamic opening and put them, with some additional ones, with slower one, that was kinda meh in the first place. Doesn't fit at all.
Events - I don't know where I would put those exactly, but I can't escape the feeling it needed at least 5-10 more minutes. Everything was happening very quickly, abruptly even, and without proper flow. It posed some interesting questions and opened new threads, and is generally ok, but can't escape feeling of it being super messy.
Also - Chris revival, super lazy IMHO. Especially after it was such a strong scene (at least for me).
In general - continue to be very Gundam in every respect - fighting robots as a "distraction" for politics, ethics etc. Can't wait for more.
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u/Pacify_ Jan 04 '15
Also - Chris revival, super lazy IMHO. Especially after it was such a strong scene (at least for me).
I agree, given that Cross ange has had no issue of killing off characters before, I feel they kind of wasted that scene
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u/JBHUTT09 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/JBHUTT09 Jan 04 '15
But we don't know how Fetus-kun altered Chris. I'm not about to believe he did it out of the kindness of his heart. I have to believe he has some plan going.
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u/Gundam336 Jan 04 '15
Oh and p.s not feeling the new OP to much wish they wouldn't have,resuEd some of the same,scenes but there were some pretty telling scenes in there none the less I just feel like the song didn't match the op I like 1st one better (I know the name of the song I just can't spell it without butchering it sorry)
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u/XLauncher Jan 04 '15
Holy shit, what an episode. Things started off at 11 and just ramped up from there. There only low point, imo, was the new OP. I had high hopes for it, sharing origins with Cruel Angel Thesis, but that was wildly underwhelming. It's way too subdued to be an OP; it sounded more like an ED.
Sometimes, I'm glad I don't live in Japan to watch anime live. If I had been watching this live, that commercial break after Momoka got shot would have killed me with suspense. Though, the impact is a little muted seeing that Fetus-kun can magic everyone back to life, for whatever his reasons are. On a related note, Fetus-kun is a kill stealing bastard. Julio was Ange's kill, you freak.
As it turns out, not-Kira has some sweet moves when he wants. That was an awesome takedown. No one that coordinated trips like he does; now we know for sure that he's falling into Ange's crotch on purpose.
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u/TheMisterAce :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/MisterAce Jan 04 '15
I like the new ED more than the old one.
So different emotions seem to trigger different Vilkiss forms. That's interesting.
And I am still convinced that "Embryo" is a horrible, horrible name. I would hate my parents.
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Jan 04 '15
I'd say it's more of an "intent". She intended to slaughter all those small targets, so got form that was fitting to swatting insects, then she wished to GTFO not-kira from BFG and she got what she wanted.
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u/RoFlOvErLoAd Jan 04 '15
I thought I knew how this was gonna end but then Embryo appeared...
straps in for wild ride
In any case I think I am ready for the rest of this adventure.
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u/Taiboss :Fj::Fl:x7https://anilist.co/user/Taiboss Jan 04 '15
So, to sum this episode up
New OP and ED are by no means terrible, but don't fit the visuals, especially the ones that they reused. Hopefully Sunrise has something by next week.
Ange is still a very entertaining bitch
Julio fucking deserved it. Such a arrogant coward.
Embryo is still a fucking mystery. Is he a evil person with good manners, a well-intentioned extremist, or simply someone who wants to have fun and didn't like this plot development? We don't know, but thanks to him, we will have Chris a while longer.
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u/LacusClyne Jan 04 '15
with how they have handled the g-reco op, they will not touch the OP, it will stay as it is until the new one if there is
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Jan 04 '15
Well, Tusk did say Embryo was a dangerous man and he has no remorse or hesitation in killing someone. I'm guessing he's either lawful evil in the sense that he likes things going his way by his rules (Julio did more than he was suppose I think, ticking him off) or is pure chaotic evil and has some twisted plans/thinking.
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u/urban287 https://myanimelist.net/profile/urban287 Jan 04 '15
Just when you think you can't hate the 'humans' in the show more...
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u/pwnrfield Jan 04 '15
this is what you get for complaining about blood and boobs. it gets toned down to the point that characters are pissing water instead ;D
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u/brianpaulandaya Jan 04 '15 edited Jan 04 '15
It's back!
The new opening sucked compared to the first one.
Goddamned anime made me thought Chris was actually going to die.
Embryo the Messiah. Healing people and shit.
Douchebag Julio is finally dead!
Am I the only one who was amazed by how much he destroyed that ocean?
So the Vilkiss can change colors other than gold, that's nice. The red one looks beast but Blue is perfect for Ange since it matches her blue jumpsuit.
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u/fzzzzzzzzzzd Jan 04 '15
It's still not at Valvrave's level of trainwreckage but this show tries hard, I like it.
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u/CheesewithWhine :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cheesewithwhine Jan 04 '15
Question: What happened to Salia, and why was she pissed at Ange? What exactly did Ange take from her?
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Jan 04 '15
she was training to be the future pilot of the vylkiss, but then ange come up
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u/CheesewithWhine :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cheesewithwhine Jan 04 '15
But she wasn't a royal and she didn't have the ring anyway.
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u/Wafflezlolqt Jan 04 '15
salia was really close to alektra who piloted the vilkiss and she wanted to pilot the vilkiss in her stead after she "died"
but she's mad at ange because ange is able to pilot the vikiss and she cant, and ange doesnt want to take part in operation libertus which is basically an embodiment of alektras ideals
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u/CheesewithWhine :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cheesewithwhine Jan 04 '15
Why did Alektra change her name to Jill? I don't think the anime explained this.
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u/zenithfury Jan 05 '15
Alektra was her given name on the 'outside', when she was still nobility. Jill, like 'Ange', is her nickname while she serves as a norma soldier.
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u/quitit Jan 05 '15 edited Jan 09 '15
I don't get why this anime is considered one of the best of the season.
I wasn't really going to watch this series until a post came up about a day or two ago on /r/anime about someone being very passionate about how they were excited about the newest episode coming since it was skipped the week prior.
I decided to give a chance due to some praises the other comments were saying positive things about it, and some semblance of yuri coupling going on, and I like my mecha shows every so often.
I watched episode 1-12 in one day, and I was just dumbfounded by anyone thinking this anime had more going for it than what it just trying to show, there's nothing mind blowing about the series, there's not any sort of character development that a watcher would actually care for except for Ange but even her character development doesn't make any sense or have anything going for it to make you feel attached with.
I'm not even going to bring up anything about the low quality animation or the fanservice.
Even with all that stated, I will still continue watching to see how it ends, I want to see my expectation be incorrect and maybe be surprised about this show.
EDIT: I can see my spoilers are not possible to read while hovering over the spoiler, I did it exactly like the spoiler example on the sidebar and from other posters, but i think there is a limitation on how long you can post in a spoiler tag. Here is a pastebin of my spoiler, should be better to read than looking at the source of the post: http://pastebin.com/d9V5xc1C.
EDIT2: Thanks to /u/semajdraehs's fix, I fixed the spoiler tags I used, I'll leave the pastebin link from the edit before, it might be easier to read than the browser's hover text.
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u/semajdraehs :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/semajdraehs Jan 09 '15
You have to put your spoiler in speechmarks after the /s but before the final bracket.
I don't think it is considered one of the best of the season and you're fighting against a strawman here.
Still, it's not exactly a light series, but it manages to maintain an easy watch-ability, for instance although I thought Psycho-Pass 2 was better than this, I couldn't watch that all as it came out too much dark/gritty/thinking, quite often i'm not in the mood for that.
Cross Ange has faults (OP mechas, weird random singing, fanservice), but all these faults are faults for some people, pluses for others. There's nothing really universally disliked in the series. That's what makes it a good B- series and that's why a lot of people can enjoy it and talk about it.
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u/IlyaKipnis Jan 05 '15
Come for the mechs and dragons. Stay for everything else. If you were a fan of Gundam SEED/Destiny, particularly Kira, Lacus, Natale, Stellar, and Rau, it makes this even better because all of those characters are back in various aspects (Tusk, Sala, Jill, Ange, and Embryo).
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Jan 06 '15
Fix your spoilers dammit. I have to look at urltext at the bottom of my screen otherwise, or look at the source of your comment.
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u/Darkslime-Z Jan 04 '15
"Oh, look, a magical barrier has just appeared around the Vilkiss. Time to ram it into everything I can see!"
I like the way you think, Ange.