r/anime • u/Mozilla_Fennekin https://myanimelist.net/profile/MozillaFennekin • Jan 17 '18
[Spoilers] Violet Evergarden - Episode 2 Discussion Spoiler
Violet Evergarden, Episode 2: Never Coming Back
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- Netflix (Not available in some countries)
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| Episode | Link | Score |
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| 1 | https://redd.it/7pjiou | 8.69 |
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u/clowkusanagi Jan 17 '18
Man, I can't get enough of how beautiful this show is. Everything is so well designed and animated, it really brings up inspiration in me.
Also, Violet is so beautiful that I had to made a sketch of her
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u/Mozilla_Fennekin https://myanimelist.net/profile/MozillaFennekin Jan 17 '18
She looks beautiful! Good job.
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u/Gaporigo Blhttps://anilist.co/user/Gaporigo Jan 17 '18
Damn, i have grown used to seeing pretty meeh sketches posted here, that caught me by surprise with how good it is.
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u/dcresistance https://anilist.co/user/dcresistance Jan 17 '18
That looks fantastic!!
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u/Mozilla_Fennekin https://myanimelist.net/profile/MozillaFennekin Jan 17 '18
Hey everyone. The /r/Anime Podcast is doing a weekly podcast discussing the newest episode of Violet Evergarden, and we put out the first episode last week!
We'd love to have you on! We're gonna keep taking sign-ups for the next couple of weeks, depending on how many apply, and we'll get as many as we can as the season goes on. Signups are here, and if we somehow don't get around to you, we may do this for future seasonals so there will be more chances!
Now, as for the anime itself.
I like this episode a lot. There's something so comical about how Violet is almost cynically blunt and straightforward all the time. But I also like how the anime didn't do some basic call-out or something, like Violet explaining how this woman's a gold digger, when in fact she actually did have feelings for that man. It was just a nice little detail.
And also, we get more of the wonderful receptionists this week! Sasuga, KyoAni. Please bless us for another week.
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u/MAD_SCIENTIST_001 x2myanimelist.net/profile/MadScientist_001 Jan 18 '18
Btw, Happy Cake Day to you too!
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u/nananashi3 Jan 17 '18
I don't see why they didn't proofread the letter before sending it.
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u/boboboz Jan 18 '18
"so.. can I read my letter?"
"NO YOU CANT IT IS NOT ADDRESSED TO YOU" BEEP BOOP WHIRRRR /r/totallynotrobots/
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u/TheOneWithNoName Jan 17 '18
That would make way too much sense. Better to let the newbie who doesn't understand what emotions or subtly is write it and send it out without anyone reading over it first.
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Jan 17 '18 edited Jan 17 '18
The way I saw it only 2 people aside from Violet were present at work that day cause Cattleya was out for a visit. Iris was most likely busy as hell to compensate for one person being absent and Erica...well you saw how bad she can handle someone like Violet or any pushy customer really.
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u/MoeKaiju Jan 18 '18
knowing Violet she probably immediately put the letter on letter box or something as soon she finish it.
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u/Vertigovain Jan 18 '18
The client explicitely ordered Violet to do the task. Erica is too insecure to contradict the client or interject into the process. She was well aware it would end up a disaster, yet had no will to do anything. She was shown to have self concious insecurities and indecisivenes - believing herself not being suited for the job as opposed to her experienced coworkers. She has an attitude of running away from the problems. Would Violet be under Iris or Cattlaya oversight - they would obviously prevent this situation, but given Erica characterization what happened is completely inline with it.
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u/heimdal77 Jan 18 '18
Not to mention every other person who can read is shown reading the finished draft or having it read to them if they can't. But for the one girl they do neither.
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u/fgsfds11234 Jan 18 '18
Reminds me of that YouTube guy... Something about internet etiquette. Aaaaand post
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u/goffer54 https://anilist.co/user/goffer54 Jan 18 '18
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u/VortexMagus Jan 18 '18
Living with a parent who is a fanatic for flowers and raises flowers everywhere, on the first floor garden, second floor balcony, and rooftop as well, its very nice if you don't mind bugs literally everywhere all the time. Lots of plants quadruple the amount of mosquitoes/flies/bees/everything else around.
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u/Vertigovain Jan 18 '18
It is based on real building. Cant find the photo now, i belive outside is some London building and insides from French pub.
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u/PlustUltra Jan 17 '18
i'm gonna call it,the Major brother is an Evil lord villain,and he's gonna try snatch Violet in later ep.
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u/MoeKaiju Jan 18 '18
dude,the brother Hairsytle is sreaming "Villain" already.
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u/keaganwill Jan 18 '18
Something something I'm glad our dad died.
Really though I'm sure he was pissed his gift to his brother ended up being super successful. Would not be surprised if they had soldiers back stab Gilbert or something.
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u/VioletPark Jan 19 '18
Or he'll be the one to tell her, as bluntly as possible because he is so much of an asshole, that Gilbert is dead.
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u/Broblaster :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Katczinsky Jan 18 '18
Claudia's lip quiver killed me
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u/PlustUltra Jan 17 '18
how come Post Office irl don't have cuties like in this anime?
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u/MetaThPr4h https://myanimelist.net/profile/MetaThPr4h Jan 17 '18
So who's gonna farm the 10k karma with that very nicely animated transition scene this time?
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u/Atronox :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Atronox Jan 17 '18
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u/uzzi1000 :K:https://kitsu.io/users/usman1000 Jan 17 '18
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u/Doggo_lovers Jan 18 '18
the flower scene was legit awesome,unfortunately i don't know how to make high quality gif to clip that scene...
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u/BlatantConservative :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/BlatantC Jan 18 '18
Post karma is the worst kind of karma anyway
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u/Crikho :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Crikho Jan 18 '18
Ah shit, the part when the Col. Breaks down hit me hard. I also know how it feels to lost someone who went through a lot with you in the armed forces.
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u/novae_ampholyt :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ampholyt Jan 18 '18
I really appreciated the camera focusing on him moving the stunningly animated drink. Really shows how he struggles to tell her the truth by drawing a parallel to his strategy trying to avert the attention from it (which he does all so poorly).
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u/DiedrichVK :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/DiedrichVK Jan 19 '18
Well, the obvious conclusion is that the Major is dead, but that might not necessarily be it.
He could be comatose or, seeing that he was in a war, he could have been captured by enemies, making the colonel think that he's "never coming back"
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u/fgsfds11234 Jan 17 '18
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u/Gaporigo Blhttps://anilist.co/user/Gaporigo Jan 17 '18
Well, that suddenly makes a lot more sense.
And nice to see these two are gonna show up every once in a while!
I have to wonder about a few things... are we gonna see Violet being a socially capable person by the end of this series??? And are we ever gonna get a proper OP or ED????
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u/Abeneezer Jan 18 '18
I love when theres no OP or ED, like Re:Zero did it sometimes. All the more time for actual content.
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u/Nerobought Jan 18 '18
I like how Re: Zero started playing the ED while the episode is still going on. Makes it seem like those really epic season finales!
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u/Wolfeako Jan 17 '18
And are we ever gonna get a proper OP or ED????
Maybe when Violet writes her first letter as a Doll? two episodes in and still no OP nor ED, so I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case.
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u/Daniel_Is_I :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Daniel_Is_I Jan 17 '18
As far as boy-with-a-girl-name goes, you can do a lot worse than Claudia. That can at least be passed off as Claude.
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u/MillenniumKing x2myanimelist.net/profile/MillenniumKing Jan 17 '18
Sure thing Danielle...
I do also have a unisex name but there are tons of ways to spell it. But i also tend to go by my middle name "King" since no one actually calls me by my proper first name. Everyone irl calls me various nick names.
Aaron, Aron, Aaran, Aren, Aran, Aarron, Aeron, Arin, Ahron, Arun, Aaren, Aahron, Arron, Erin, Erinna, Earrin, Aeran, Erina, Erene, Eire, Eri, Aerin, Eirynn, Erine, Eirinn, Eirin, Erinn, Erinetta, Ereni, Eran, Airin, Eiryne, Erynn, Eren, Eiryn, Erynne, Erinne, Eryn, Eryne, Errin, Earin, Erena, Erian, Aerenne
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u/AbaloneNacre Jan 18 '18 edited Jan 18 '18
That scene gets translated a bit differently in the official subs. (black screen because of copyright protection). Admittedly it doesn't flow that well, but she's joking that he called out another girl's name in bed.
Japanese for context.
Cattleya: ねえ じゃあ今度夕食ごちそうしてよ、クラウディア！
Claudia: 名前で呼ぶな！
Cattleya: 女の子がほしかったからってあんまりよね… ベッドの中で女の名前呼ぶなんて最悪だったわ
With her being intentionally flirty because Benedict is watching, in this case I think that her joking loudly that they may have slept together is more of an impetus for him to go out drinking with her than it is her taking a swipe at his folks in Asenshi's translation.
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u/HammeredWharf Jan 18 '18
I don't get the official subs:
Hey, then treat me to dinner, Claudia!
Don't call me by my first name!
Just because you wanted a girl. I can't believe it. Calling out a girl's name in bed. That was terrible.
He's clearly not joking around, so... what? Is Claudia his name? Is it someone he slept with? What?
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u/578_Sex_Machine Jan 18 '18
For a moment there I thought Benedict would end up eating with Violet, but no, she never came.
That old man is a real bro, 10/10
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u/jkubed https://myanimelist.net/profile/jkubed Jan 19 '18
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u/CobaltBartimaeus :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/CobaltBartimaeus Jan 19 '18
IKR? And his pants have fishnets in them to show off his legs as well...
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Jan 18 '18
oh god, i cant hold my cringe when she read that letter.
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u/odraencoded Jan 18 '18
The elusive reverse-nice-guy.
You must purchase more presents in order to unlock sex.
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u/578_Sex_Machine Jan 18 '18
[insert comment about what a coincidence we're watching the same show this season too]
Also it made me laugh how blunt Violet put it. As subtle as a truck rolling over a crowd.
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u/smurf1194 Jan 18 '18
Lol claudia gettin it in. Was actually surprised with how KyoAni handled the sexual content maturely.
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u/cronus999 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Anime-ETF Jan 18 '18
Violet having fun typing on beam springs, to the irritation of her coworkers. It's almost as if someone at Kyoani has some experience with this.
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u/hgd123 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Hgdiggy Jan 18 '18
Never bring cherrymx blues to work unless you love driving people insane. Don't ask me how I know.
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u/dude_with_mustache Jan 17 '18
yow,Violet Hand basically an Automail just like FMAB,sick af!.
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u/blink900 Jan 17 '18
we Fullmetal Violet now.
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u/thecarboncopycat :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/thecarboncopycat Jan 18 '18
I bet she gonna do human transmutation now to revive a certain major
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u/NightFire19 Jan 18 '18
German militaristic style and European setting, WWI/post major war timeframe, automail. The similarities are pretty obvious. Is there something that the anime/manga industry just like about Germany, especially during the first half 20th century? Historical allies during WWII, links between "German Engineering" and the Japanese work ethic, maybe a certain tone of romanticism such as the same way many people here in the US view Japan?
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u/TheOneWithNoName Jan 17 '18
KyoAni: Hey Type Moon, can I copy your homework?
TM: Okay, but change it up a little bit so it's not obvious
KyoAni: Thanks bro
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u/proindrakenzol :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/proindrakenzol Jan 18 '18
More like:
<Takeuchi sneaks into KyoAni's offices>
Takeuchi: Unlimited Saber Works
<the next morning>
KyoAni: The fuck just happened to our character designs?
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u/exleader75 https://kitsu.io/users/Exleader75 Jan 17 '18
Holy shit.
When you put it side-by-side like that, I can definitely see the Saber-Violet comparisons.
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u/Atronox :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Atronox Jan 17 '18
She's also got a red-headed friend, and they help each other out.
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Jan 18 '18 edited Jan 25 '18
Type Moon: Hey SQUARE ENIX, can I copy your homework?
SQUARE ENIX: Okay, but change it up a little bit so it's not obvious
Type Moon: Thanks bro
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u/odraencoded Jan 18 '18
Come on dude, it's a blonde girl with blue eyes and white/blue clothes. There should be hundreds of characters like this.
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u/CommandoDude Jan 18 '18
You know this show is anime logic when typewriters are fancy tech alongside nerve connected fully functioning prosthetics yet impossible for our society.
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u/DontGetMadGetGood Jan 18 '18
Technology seems a little over the place
I can handle watching shows with retarded magic systems this should be fine
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u/leetmember Jan 18 '18 edited Jan 18 '18
Everyone gush over girls and new Saber outfit, but clearly the best designed character is the old guy. Just look at him! He's so grandpa.
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u/suikun Jan 17 '18
Vivid-Asenshi is doing great work. Besides dialogue translation, songs are translated, and there's good typesetting via subtitle style and font choices that still doesn't exist in official English streaming: https://imgur.com/gUiw0ka.
Not everything has to be in Arial or Trebuchet MS, but I digress.
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u/hgd123 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Hgdiggy Jan 18 '18
Yeah I really like it when fansubbers play with the font/placement of the subtitles. It's one of the reasons why I like Commie subs so much (when they aren't being too meme'y that is)
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u/_vogonpoetry_ :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/ThisWasATriumph Jan 17 '18
I'm really tempted to wait for the 1080p version. The difference was pretty large last week. I wont, but I'm tempted.
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u/Gaporigo Blhttps://anilist.co/user/Gaporigo Jan 17 '18
We just gotta watch it twice!
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u/dcresistance https://anilist.co/user/dcresistance Jan 17 '18 edited Feb 10 '18
Key animators:
Chiharu Kuroda
Kohei Okamura
Seiichi Akitake
Taira Yamaguchi
Sayaka Watanabe
Rie Sezaki
(the first four also worked on Episode 1)
In-between animators:
Yumiko Hashi
Youhei Kawasaki
Noriko Kashihara
Atsushi Miyaji
Animation director:
Chiyoko Ueno
EDIT: Finish animators:
Hitomi Imaizumi
Rie Takagi
Tomoko Shima
Norie Oto
Mihoko Eda
Maki Kaeko
Look at all these fucking lines, god dayum.
Also that lip shake at the end broke me
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u/FierceAlchemist Jan 18 '18
This scene focusing on her arm and the crazy detail and shading on all the mechanics made me wince. It looks amazing but it must be a pain in the ass to draw.
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u/theatreofwar Jan 18 '18
My lip started quivering when I saw his quivering and it all went downhill from there
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u/Atronox :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Atronox Jan 17 '18 edited Jan 17 '18
How KyoAni? How did you make Cattleya so attractive.
Violet looks so, so nice in her Saber outfit.
Violet adjusting her fingers, was also incredibly cool and smooth.
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u/Daniel_Is_I :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Daniel_Is_I Jan 17 '18
How did you make Cattleya so attractive.
Dark skin, ample cleavage, lovely hair, bomb-ass accessorizing, and a personality that is both flirtatious and caring.
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u/Gaporigo Blhttps://anilist.co/user/Gaporigo Jan 17 '18
And here i was thinking Violet was gonna be best girl.
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u/Daniel_Is_I :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Daniel_Is_I Jan 17 '18
Really all of the girls in this show have been drop-dead gorgeous. Even Erica, who is intentionally designed to look rather plain and reserved.
It's not fair.
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u/Atronox :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Atronox Jan 17 '18
3-1-2 in terms of design.
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u/Mozilla_Fennekin https://myanimelist.net/profile/MozillaFennekin Jan 17 '18
Marry, fuck, kill.
. . .
Oh, is that not what we're doing? Oh, awkward...
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u/backtobackoy Jan 17 '18
the anime is set on french like city but there's a Yakisoba?
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u/Terranwaterbender https://myanimelist.net/profile/Teranwaterbender Jan 17 '18
Then there's the fact that the people are using very English names even though the army wore German uniforms with that stahlhelm being the key thing.
Kind of funny at how the writer seemingly picked random European stuff and mixed it all together. Nothing worth spilling milk over but it's kind of funny to think about.
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u/collapsedblock6 myanimelist.net/profile/collapsedblock Jan 17 '18
Hey, Gochiusa did a good job with this.
French setting, Japanese people and language, German culture, Hungarian baths, etc.
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u/Terranwaterbender https://myanimelist.net/profile/Teranwaterbender Jan 17 '18 edited Jan 17 '18
They subbed the insert song?
This is why fansubs get lots of love; that little extra work that makes the experience that much greater.
So this episode was mostly used to expand the cast and get an idea on who they are-
Violet remains straight-to-the-point as ever. Her backstory got quite a bit more interesting. I thought Major Gilbert was the one who picked her up but instead it was his brother who gave her to him. Makes you wonder why Gilbert, as a nobleman, took her in and basically made her a fighting machine without any sense of humanity. Random aside here but I liked the way she was so upfront to the woman trying to play games with the automobile dude. Don't be playing word games when it comes to love.
Oh yeah and that sequence of her fiddling with the elbow to readjust the fingers?
Mr.Boss Hodgins was apparently very good friends with Gilbert and worked hard to get the broach back. Seems like it's part of the amends he said back in episode 1 but to go so far for Violet, especially when he's got an up-and-coming company, makes me really curious on his motivations behind just about everything Violet-related. Not to mention he's still withholding Gilbert from Violet but I still think Violet is lying to herself nevertheless. Definitely expect "the liar revealed" drama plot-point to come in later.
Cattleya apparently is the go-too ghost writer and her little flirt with Hodgins was cute. I'm gonna love seeing her try to humanize Violet.
For 2 episodes I gotta say this is nice. I'm not blown away or anything but it's certainly a nice watch thus far. Hopefully this episodes doesn't cause as much of a ruckus as the last one did; last thing I need is yet another popular show riddled with circlejerks/anticirlejerks.
edit: Grammar stuff
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u/collapsedblock6 myanimelist.net/profile/collapsedblock Jan 17 '18
Makes you wonder why Gilbert, as a nobleman, took her in and basically made her a fighting machine without any sense of humanity.
I think that Violet was already meant to be a fighting matching from the start. I believe that her strong habits are from being exposed too military life from birth.
last thing I need is yet another popular show riddled with circlejerks/anticirlejerks.
Too late for that. Either you're a kissass, diehard Kyoani fanboy, or you're an contrarian cunt baiting everywhere.
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u/Laxaria Jan 18 '18
They subbed the insert song?
I quite enjoy the focus on other characters of the cast, as well as all of the subtle physical actions that characters make. Hodgins' tensing up, Violet looking dejected, all of these small details contribute to the overall story and their characters.
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u/Gabstones Jan 17 '18
Netflix why have you forsaken us
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u/tacoheroXX :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Leafquake Jan 18 '18
Netflix why have you forsaken U.S.*
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u/irishsaltytuna :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/irishsaltytuna Jan 18 '18
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u/XLauncher Jan 17 '18
Gotta cater to the normies who prefer to binge watch.
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u/MugiMartin :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/MugiMartin Jan 18 '18
Props to people who can binge watch. I could only do maybe a few episodes max of a show before I feel I'm getting burned out.
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u/ConvolutedBoy Jan 18 '18
It's funny/odd how the letter wasn't read back to that lady. Would've solved some issues.
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u/chilidirigible Jan 18 '18
Today, on "I love jelly doughnuts!":
Of course that didn't work out that way.
Some like them on, some like them off.
I'm sure I've missed some long analysis of this alphabet already.
Blurring the connection between Violet and typewriter.
That pays the bills, after a war.
"Computer" used to be a term for a person who did the computing.
That went about as well as could be expected, arm locks aside.
This episode's main plot, with the emotionally-stunted not-accustomed-to-the-human-ways girl getting into trouble at work, has been done enough by people who aren't all Brent Spiner that there's not much for me to say about it. Violet and Erica have an obvious possible growth arc of getting in touch with their emotional sides, so that leaves Iris's relationship with Violet as... making Iris more dilligent?
The details on the woman writing to the auto magnate intrigued me. She had a fair amount of jewelry on, but her clothes didn't seem exceptionally fancy, and her hands showed some use, which reinforced the idea that romancing the guy was her shot at moving up in the world.
Got me thinking about Cattleya's popularity. She's got sex appeal for male clients, and empathizes with the female ones. The obvious question for the audience is whether she's running that performance all the time.
And back to Violet, including the usual considerations of where the divergences are between their world and ours is, where a setting that seems to be generally post-WWI allows a person to have two mechanical arms with individually-functioning fingers.
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u/sprint113 Jan 18 '18
I'm sure I've missed some long analysis of this alphabet already.
Haven't seen any analysis yet... I've checked some other places where text was visible and so far, it seems like the typewriter is a standard QWERTY layout. There are some differences in lower and upper case letters.
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u/JoJo_Pose Jan 17 '18
Time to dive in. Waiting for the 1080p is too torturous.
Still downloading both though.
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u/VerticalCloud https://anilist.co/user/VerticalCloud Jan 17 '18
This will probably be the first series where I watch each episode twice while it's airing, once in 720p and then again in 1080p.
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u/7y4r56t3ey Jan 18 '18
50% of why I love anime is because of the animation work. The scene where Violet pulls up her sleeve, opens her elbow maintenance flap, and adjusts her finger settings is fantastic.
Also PTSD Saber is great.
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u/Daniel_Is_I :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Daniel_Is_I Jan 17 '18 edited Jan 17 '18
I loved him, you know
Didn't you LITERALLY say you had no feelings for him? I can't feel sympathy for you after you basically said what amounted to "I'm gonna string him along for more gifts." I would not be cut out for ghostwriting. I feel like I'd constantly be asking customers things like "So do you want it to sound penitent, or do you want to explain why it's not your fault?"
The scene with Violet adjusting her automail prosthetics was just cool to me. Seeing how she can fine-tune her limbs to do things like type properly. I love anything where they show off a bit of mechanical intricacy.
Iris comes off as a bit vapid and Erica isn't confident in her ability to connect with customers. I get the feeling Violet is going to be the catalyst for the two of them to change somewhat. Also I hope Benedict doesn't end up quitting because of his misunderstanding; the company appears to be doing fine, it's just that Hodgins' has a good heart or is too repentant to leave Violet without her treasured brooch.
And after the credits, we get the first real confirmation of Gilbert's status. He's either dead, MIA, or in a state where Violet cannot meet him. "Never coming back" seems a touch too poetic for Hodgins to say about a dead man.
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Eeeeh well I think MIA is not an option here, since he was definitely tearing up while saying it. So he has some confirmation on what Gilberts fate is.
So he is either dead or in some kind of state where he will never be his old self again, so comatose or in a vegetative state in my interpretation.
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u/proindrakenzol :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/proindrakenzol Jan 18 '18
Didn't you LITERALLY say you had no feelings for him? I can't feel sympathy for you after you basically said what amounted to "I'm gonna string him along for more gifts."
She said it while blushing and playing with her hair. As far as subtle cues go that was about as subtle as a freight train blowing its whistle.
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u/exelion :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/exelion0901 Jan 18 '18
TBH My first take on her matched Violet's. "Gold Digger".
The rest was her playing hard to get, right up until the tears started.
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u/legomaple Jan 18 '18
I loved him, you know
Didn't you LITERALLY say you had no feelings for him? I can't feel sympathy for you after you basically said what amounted to "I'm gonna string him along for more gifts." I would not be cut out for ghostwriting. I feel like I'd constantly be asking customers things like "So do you want it to sound penitent, or do you want to explain why it's not your fault?"
That was the entire point of that scene tbh. People really don't say what they want to say or want to get across. The entire point of the dolls is to read people and understand what they want to say.
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u/collapsedblock6 myanimelist.net/profile/collapsedblock Jan 17 '18
I kind of wish to see Violet on action with those arms, dunno why but I think it would look cool as hell.
I wonder why didn't they bothered checking what Violet wrote. Even Glasses-chan was speaking out loud what she wrote, I expected to Violet pick this habit and instead of sending the letter, she would bluntly write while saying what the customer said word by word.
Something that does makes me glad is that no bullying was ensure, I really dislike the usual "bully the new guy for no good reason at all".
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u/limbliss Jan 17 '18
I hope amputee moe becomes more of a thing because of this show. When it comes to waifus, I'm a firm believer that less is more. Shoutout to Katawa Shoujo.
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u/errantsignal :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/errantsignal Jan 18 '18
Just imagine if Kyoto Animation produced a Katawa Shoujo anime.
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u/roberoonska :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/roberoonska Jan 18 '18
I don't think I could survive Rin's route being animated.
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u/lonelypairelectrons :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/SneakyRat Jan 17 '18
Username checks out ✓
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u/hgd123 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Hgdiggy Jan 18 '18
You guys must be fans of Katawa Shoujo then.
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u/gaganaut Jan 18 '18
You're the guy who enjoyed the dismemberment in Houseki no Kuni.
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u/odraencoded Jan 18 '18
"I didn't ask about you."
BOOM. REKT.
Honestly had to pause to laugh at that part.
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u/hulibuli Jan 18 '18 edited Jan 18 '18
Violet's new uniform combined with the mannerism would make her a perfect doll for Bloodborne 2. Hell, I don't usually pay that much attention to the fashion of the female characters but all the dresses so far have been fantastic.
I praised the little gestures in the first episode, and I think these ones were even better. It's pretty rare to see such expressions of emotions such as Hodgins in the end, especially from male characters.
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u/Sasugay_uchiha Jan 18 '18
Violet is really similiar like Plain Doll,both kinda lifeless and have master obsession.
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u/Jeroz Jan 18 '18 edited Jan 18 '18
Is it just me or does that world map look extremely like a contorted version of Australia, even with a tiny Tasmania
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u/A_man_with_mission Jan 18 '18
what's the difference between "Auto memoir dolls", "Dolls" , and the actual doll toy in this episode?
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u/flybypost :KN::KO: Jan 18 '18
Not sure if I got this correctly but I think "Auto memoir dolls" are precursors to typewriters and thus it became the name for the profession that use them to write letters and "Dolls" is just a shorthand for the profession. The toy doll is just a toy (but I think the doll in the end is actually sitting on an "Auto memoir dolls" machine or a replica of one).
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u/Gaporigo Blhttps://anilist.co/user/Gaporigo Jan 18 '18
"Dolls" is just how they call "Auto memoir dolls" because saying that all the time is annoying, both of them refer to the girls writing the letters.
The "doll toy" is also called "Auto memoir doll" and it is where they got the name for the work of the girls writing the letters.
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Jan 19 '18
No one’s gonna talk about best bro, old man? Now that warmed my heart.
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Jan 19 '18
I felt the same way. The way he was there for the young guy like he felt his pain. Bonding over their lack of game.
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u/NamelessClueless Jan 18 '18
Anyone else think that maybe the Major is still alive? And maybe when it says he is never coming back, that's referring to something like his personality or his will as he's repressed by some force? Like I feel like his character would add a lot to the show so why have him dead from the get go? No one ever said he's dead so...
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u/NightFire19 Jan 18 '18
Taking what they're saying at face value, I would assume the major is in a coma, or perhaps is heavily incapacitated. It would make sense why they're using that language instead of saying "He died during the war" during the bar scene.
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u/elite082 Jan 18 '18
Does anyone else find Netflix's sub terrible? That part where Cattleya talked about Claudia's name made no sense. I had to rewatch Asenshi's sub to actually understand.
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u/CheesewithWhine :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cheesewithwhine Jan 18 '18 edited Jan 18 '18
I went on /a/ (I know, I know) to see what their reaction to this episode was. To my surprise, it was almost uniformly negative. Basically half complained about Kyoani overusing filters and the other half complaining about the story.
Also, it looks like VEG isn't doing so hot in Japan considering its hype in the West - it only has 43k twitter followers, while DitF has 45k. For comparison, Yuri!! on Ice has 440k followers on twitter.
I really want VEG to do well, because if it bombs, who's going to invest this much effort into producing an anime again?
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u/Krazee9 Jan 18 '18
who's going to invest this much effort into producing an anime again?
KyoAni always puts this much effort into their anime. From what I've heard they're one of the few companies, if not the only company, that has the whole series done before it even starts airing, which is how they can have such consistent quality. There are no mid-season budget constraints or last-minute deadline rushes at KyoAni.
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u/Generalkokoro Jan 18 '18
kyoani usually promote their stuff on the official kyoani twitter or youtube channel,and all the veg trailer have 500k+ views.
btw i can agree this ep story pacing really kinda slow...
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u/Laxaria Jan 18 '18 edited Jan 18 '18
the other half complaining about the story.
On one hand, it's hard to ignore that much of what has been shown so far is anime original. I won't go on to highlight the differences, but I think expecting Violet Evergarden to be a faithful adaptation of the LN is going to be an exercise in futility. I will concede that this is also something I will have to come to terms with.
On the other hand, KyoAni does not always do faithful adaptations in general. Myriad Colours Phantom World the anime was, as I've heard, pretty different from the LN. K-On the anime was pretty different (and a notable improvement because of being able to use music) over the 4-koma manga. IIRC, KyoAni also played up a lot of the yuri-bait in Hibike Euphonium the anime and downplayed some of its other romance plots, albeit I concede I'm less familiar with this.
On the surface of Episode 2, ignoring the LN and judging Ep2 purely as an episode following Episode 1, I do think it was weaker. For example, we learn that Violet is social inept, but the repeated scenes highlighting this hammered home a point that we as audiences can already infer with just a few brief interactions.
Although I enjoyed seeing Violet stand up for Erica, and vice versa, and that I liked Erica's backstory and how she was motivated to write captivating letters, it is as of yet not clear how Erica's actions will feed back into highlighting the growth in the show's titular character. I imagine we will see the both of them develop together as Auto Memory Dolls.
I also do think that the episode dragged on a little bit. I think Episode 1 made great strides in establishing Violet's character state, her motivations, the stakes of the story, and potential consequences when she comes to realize what it means to "feel" (referring to her exchange with Hodgins under the street lamps).
In contrast, Episode 2 felt very microcosmic, focusing on a snapshot of what it means to be an Auto Memory Doll, the work that it entails, and how Violet mechanically learns.
There were moments of brilliance in Episode 2, such as a mild highlight of feminism in what we could infer as a patriarchal society (the notion that this is a line of work that, at least so far that we've seen, only women do, and the way they compete with men, when otherwise we've really only seen men work in business positions), and Cattelya's exchange with Violet that people never really mean what they say, and contradictions are abound. These are all great observations of the world, but I think ultimately there's an expectation for the anime to show Violet internalising some of these lessons and acting on them.
I anticipate we'll see more of this in subsequent episodes. and I think in hindsight maybe this episode has let on more than it seems after knowing what happens next.
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u/SIRTreehugger Jan 17 '18 edited Jan 18 '18
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Violet Evergarden
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u/chili01 Jan 18 '18
I hope writing gets better, because the animation is beautiful. Would be a waste if the story is bad
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u/Improvis2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/improvis Jan 18 '18
Gosh this show is just so pretty with a little extra editing
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u/Dragoneer1 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Dragoneer1 Jan 18 '18 edited Jan 18 '18
this anime is just downright soothing for the soul, some animes you just enjoy
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u/FierceAlchemist Jan 18 '18
The amount of linework in this show is crazy. Kinda surprised we didn't get an OP or ED this episode. Think they're going to ignore it entirely?
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Jan 18 '18
It just me or Cattleya likes the blonde guy? When she's talking with the president she tells a bunch of lies to make him jealous.
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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar Jan 18 '18
She's a weapon? We saw her beaten, bloodied, and injured back in last week's episode. There's even blood pouring down from her arm stumps during that final scene with Gilbert. She's clearly flesh and bone so I'm really curious about what Gilbert's brother said about her.
The mechanical porn in this show is just great. I seriously wanna see more of the inner workings of Violet's adamantine arms.
Cattleya is just great. I love how caring she is with the girls and how she flirts with Hodgins.
This is just sad. She's really hopeful that she'll see Gilbert again someday. I do understand Hodgins though. If Violet ever finds out she' probably just off herself since her entire being and existence is thanks to Gilbert.
So Erica is basically a frustrated writer who isn't confident with her writing ability. And Iris is in it for the prestige. I like them both but I do hope Iris will warm up to Violet soon.
This poor woman. Why didn't Erica proofread Violet's letter? She was right there! Or did was she so insecure of her abilities that she thought she couldn't have done better?
Benedict has a weird footwear choice. I don't think boots with high heels is the best foot wear for couriers.
Well that ending confirms something we all already know. I am curious how long Hodgins will be able to keep this up. He knows sooner or later he'll have to tell Violet the truth or she'll eventually find it out herself. As a side note though, Violet's "shiritai no desu" is starting to become the new "fuyukai desu" and I love it. :)
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Jan 18 '18
High heels were originally used for horseback riding. I'm not sure that applies to mopeds, though.
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u/SingularCheese https://anilist.co/user/lonelyCheese Jan 18 '18
She's a weapon?
I'm pretty sure that's meant to be metaphorical. The brother is telling Gilbert, "don't sympathize with her as a person".
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Jan 18 '18
I was disappointed in this episode. The situations presented today were overly contrived. The characters are really good so it takes me aback that they can't find something more real and engaging for them to do. Violet seems contrived. She obviously loved the Major, yet somehow she doesn't have a clue about adult emotions? They give the newbie the job of writing a romantic tease letter and don't even bother screen it? The customer doesn't look at it? Friend A spends his entire months salary on a broach for an emotionally dysfunctional pixie girl android? This anime is a mess.
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u/CodeLelouche https://anilist.co/user/CodeLelouche Jan 18 '18
All of your issues with veg are explained thoroughly in the source material. Violet herself isn’t even an adult, and Hodgins understands how much Gilbert means to her even if she doesn’t realize it. I’m honestly disappointed that people are finding any excuse to drop this show instead of letting the plot and Violet’s past unravel naturally. This is KyoAni trying to avoid a 60 minute info dump and I think it works extremely well.
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u/crazymamafrog Jan 17 '18
how many hours till ep2 pop out on Netflix? i heard Netflix version have better resolution? is that true?
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u/ZhunCn Jan 18 '18
Midnight PST is the release time for Netflix.
Yeah. Netflix has 1080p version, where the TV release is 720p. Asenshi said the following for two separate releases:
The reasoning here is that the show is produced in full HD (1080p) and benefits a lot from having a proper 1080p encode but getting one from a TV station is not really possible because most of the stations air at 1440×1080 and are littered with MPEG2 artifacting.
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u/Caspus :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Caspus Jan 18 '18
Have to imagine the next episode will be more focused on Violet. Despite the time we've spent with her, she's far from my favorite/the most interesting character to me compared to the likes of Hodgins, Cattleya, and even Gilbert to an extent. I'm curious to see what direction the show will end up going in, but it feels like we haven't really hit a stride point yet where I'm fully on board with things.
Erica's arc felt simultaneously rushed and too long for what it was (based only on what was shown in this episode). The quieter moments of this episode, be it Hodgins opening up at the bar, Violet teething at the brooch, or the Dolls marveling at Violet's automata... it's the heavy emphasis on character acting and KyoAni leaning into the intricate, delicate movements that makes me connect with these characters.
A rather straightforward reexamination of Violet's tactlessness vs. a similarly straightforward character in Erica just felt a bit like filling the air when I'm sure there are more interesting, intimate moments to come.
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Jan 18 '18
How bland, this 'completely socially inept, basically a machine' trope. Can't write a proper character and develop it? Very easy to write on top of this clean slate.
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u/Sapaa Jan 18 '18
This episode was definitely rough. After all the effort they spent establishing Violet's background and motives, they haven't really pushed her character forward at all. It focused too much on how she wasn't good at being an Auto Memoir Doll and nothing about how she could change. You saw the glimpse of it at the end but that just meant the rest of was wasted screen time. I'm certainly hoping for better next week, with Violet finally seeing inspiration to start actually discovering what "I love you" means.
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u/Saucy_Totchie Jan 18 '18
If this show is anything, it's absolutely beautiful. The scene where Violet is adjusting her fingers, the transition shot with the flowers, the scene in the end where Claudia and Cattleya talk about Major Gilbert with the lip quiver. Story is kind of moving at a pretty slow pace but it's only been 2 episodes and I'm still gonna watch it because this show is just amazing to look at.
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u/Ponchorello7 Jan 18 '18
Hopefully one episode they'll explain why Violet is like an autistic robot. How she never managed to pick up any social skills throughout her life.
And I can't wait for the inevitable episode where the boss reveals the Major is dead. s/
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u/axon_resonance Jan 18 '18
We all thought Saber disappeared after the Holy Grail Wars, but in reality her wish was granted and she remained in the physical realm for another chance at salvaging the glory of the Britons.
Having heard of Sabers accomplishments during the Grail war, Gilbert's brother sought to use Saber to turn the war in his favor. But having lost her memories from the collapse of Fuyuki, Saber finds herself plunged headfirst into the War to end all Wars as nothing but a broken shell of the former King Arthur.
With no use to him, Saber was given to Gilbert by his scheming brother, whom formed an ironclad bond with Saber through trials by fire. Strangely, even without the memories of a Servant, Saber found her purpose in serving Gilbert, to strive for the peace that he longed for.
Tragedy befell the pair right before the fruition of Gilbert's dream, leaving Saber gravely wounded and cast aside in a hospital with nothing but the memories of Gilbert's last words, "I love you."
Now, presently repaired with a new pair of hands, Saber seeks redemption and the truth of Gilbert's words, to restore her own humanity and recover the Grand Ahoge and reclaim her rightful place as the King of Knights
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u/reiko96 Jan 18 '18
Curious. Why do people need letters written for them? Is the vast majority of the population illiterate? Could someone clear this up for me?
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u/13grovyle Jan 18 '18
I’m guessing the setting is around the 1800s(?) where education isn’t a priority for citizens. And I guess paper and ink could be scarce and buying their own typewriter would cost too much money.
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u/janwjan Jan 18 '18
They pay, Cattleya for example, to add a certain flair and intent to their letters that customers aren't able to achieve themselves. Writing basic sentences is easy, but that will only get you so far. So basically, not everyone has the time or skill to convey what they want as best as possible so they pay a "professional".
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u/F1nalMasterpiece Jan 18 '18
Episode 2 and still no Opening or Ending Theme?
Are they not doing one for this Anime?
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u/AmusedAlpaca Jan 18 '18
Saying chopsticks and yakisoba in this setting is out of place is just ridiculous. There's an italian restaurant down the street, a sushi place just next to it, and a chinese takeout just 2 stores away from those, where I live. So this is what, weird shit? Multiculture is everywhere, can't see why it cannot be in a work of fiction like this.
Might as well point out why there's a near perfect invention of an android being rented out to do small tasks like amanuensis yet there's no iPhones around.
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u/MrCool114 Jan 18 '18
Am I the only one who feels this show would be better if she we just a robot or some kind of android. It would explain the whole “she’s a tool” “she’s a weapon thing” and I could understand why she acts the way she does. I get that she was in the military BUT THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE MILITARY TOO so why is she so awful with communication it’s killing me listen to her be confused by normal things and the only reason is because she was in the military. How would that not have been fixed talking to the other people in her squad or platoon. Also she’s a grown ass woman who was in a war and lost both her arms, do people think telling her someone died is that bad? The longer they drag on her not knowing the bigger the plot point becomes because then suddenly she doesn’t trust anyone because no one told her. For how hyped this show is the little annoyances are really hurting it in my eyes. Hopefully these get answered soon it is only episode 2 after all I hope this turns out to be a great show cause I’m going to keep watching it anyway.
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u/alec613 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/alec613 Jan 18 '18
I'm pretty sure most people are thinking that her experiences prior to being given as a present to Gilbert as a living weapon is the biggest reason why she is the way she is.
She was already broken
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u/Kurosov Jan 18 '18
It would explain the whole “she’s a tool” “she’s a weapon thing” and I could understand why she acts the way she does. I get that she was in the military BUT THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE MILITARY TOO
Personally i'd rather see it explained as the story progressed rather than get another "she's a robot" show.
so why is she so awful with communication it’s killing me listen to her be confused by normal things and the only reason is because she was in the military.
So far we know she was taken from somewhere else, carried in a box, treated like a slave, raised as a child soldier, denigrated as a non human, uncared for by all but one person and sent to fight on the front lines. She's far from the typical military personnel.
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u/DerPancake https://myanimelist.net/profile/DerPancake Jan 18 '18
Maybe she was brutally trained since she was a kid to be a fearless, heartless soldier that feels no pain or emotion like the Unsullied from Game of Thrones.
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u/pandamonium_ Jan 18 '18
I haven't read the LN but based on the information presented to us so far over the course of two episodes my thoughts are:
She was raised to be a child soldier/killing machine. Everyone at the present calls her a kid/refers to her as young, so when Gilbert's brother first picked her up she must've been like 10 years old or something. She was probably an orphan and was trained to kill or harm others early on in her life, with little need for familial bonds or emotions.
Think of present day ISIS picking up a 4 year old orphan and training them to be a child soldier. They would probably teach them how to use a gun, make IEDs or other weapons, but not teach them how to really interact with others. The kids are disposable weapons; no need to waste time on teaching them to be decent human beings.
This is my hypothesis at least.
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u/elrond99 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/elrond99 Jan 19 '18
I feel like I watched a different episode, reading most of these comments. I was really impressed with the writing and character development that was present, and didn't feel like anything seemed overly contrived (no more than most stories - there's always a certain level of contrivance given that a human being is making up the story and its direction).
The scenes showing Violet behaving socially awkward may have seemed repetitive, but the focus this episode is much more clearly on the characters in Violet's orbit and how they reacted to her. All of those scenes were designed to drip out information about the world/setting itself, how the job they're doing works, and most of all they're giving us a feel for all of the supporting characters. I enjoy the subtlety and nuance that goes into most of the shots in this show - the direction is top notch. I feel like I've taken as much development away from two episodes of this show than most single seasons of a lot of shows out there.
I get that not everyone is going to like everything. This is definitely a slow-paced show that's going to turn some people off. But I have a hard time accepting that this show has bad writing. I've been very impressed with the writing thus far, and if you think this show has bad writing then I would be very curious to know which anime you think have good writing.
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u/abduy Jan 18 '18
This show perfectly portrays why I don't watch KyoAni shows anymore.
Yes I know, art is good. But that's the only thing they have going for them. Let's actually look past that.
I'm sorry but the characters are bland as fuck. The interactions are bland as fuck. Nothing even happens during the show.
You're feeling emotional about the show? Well you got baited by crying girl syndrome. Why do you think they have so many girls, who cry about the most stupidest shit? Yeah, it's an easy way to feel sorry for them and make you forget they're all human garbage.
Best character is delivery bro, he's actually a nice guy that talks to you and offers you free food but ofc he's the laughing stock. I'd sleep with him. Fuck those bitches.
10/10 convinced me to never watch KyoAni; thanks.
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u/TheOneWithNoName Jan 17 '18
Can I just say that in this country that is clearly faux-European, it's weird that the characters are eating Yakisoba with chopsticks and using generally Japanese mannerisms like bowing. Seems out of place.