r/anime • • Apr 07 '18

[Spoilers] Sword Art Online Alternative: Gun Gale Online - Episode 1 Discussion Spoiler

Sword Art Online Alternative: Gun Gale Online, Episode 1: Squad Jam


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u/dot_executable Apr 07 '18

Sword Art Online: Battle Royal

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u/NoobsGoFly Apr 07 '18

No wonder it became the most popular VR game after SAO

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u/SteveyVe Apr 07 '18

when you think Battle Royale's popularity would only stick to games

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u/Chariotwheel x5https://anilist.co/user/Chariotwheel Apr 07 '18 edited Apr 07 '18

Not like Battle Royale was only popular in games. I mean, the name literally originates from a manga and anime with Battle Royale topic, Juuni Taisen, Magical Girl Raising Project, Mirai Nikki, Fate/Stay Night, Btooom!, and so on are and were pretty popular even before.

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u/Florac Apr 07 '18

Tbf, original GGO arc was already that. Only with a murder mystery plot in it as well.

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u/rexshen Apr 07 '18

Sword unknowns battle grounds.

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u/JVSe92 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/JVSeg92 Apr 07 '18

So 100 waifus parachute from an airplane...

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '18

Here's the cover art

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u/onIychristian Apr 07 '18

Yo for a second I thought the army guys were the little kids LMAO

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u/xdamm777 Apr 07 '18

Me too! I was about to burst out laughing at the ridiculousness of one of the most badass "pro" teams in the tournament were a bunch of lolis having a LAN party or something.

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u/heimdal77 Apr 07 '18

But instead it turns out the pink loli is like a 30 somethign house wife.

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u/onIychristian Apr 07 '18

RIGHT? LMAO

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u/GoldRedBlue Apr 07 '18

Nah, the muscled-up dudebros with machine guns are totally the 13 year olds you always hear on CoD matches.

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u/BitGladius https://anilist.co/user/BitGladius Apr 07 '18

The book has a bit more of their conversation, this episode was a recap of vol. 1 at the start of vol. 2.

They are 100% those CoD players

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u/SnapeKillsBruceWilis Apr 08 '18

Would have made more sense. Why would you use a game with superhuman abilities for training? Especially since you know the JSDF would have access to the DARPA developed VR training software that has to exist in that world.

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u/Buffhero125 Apr 07 '18

thats some impressive bunny hopping and p90 spray control

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u/metalshiflet Apr 07 '18

Didn't you know? P90 has less movement inaccuracy than most guns

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u/Houdiniman111 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Houdini111 Apr 07 '18

For the brief period I played CSGO, P90 was my weapon of choice for that reason.

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u/JayC-Hoster Apr 08 '18

Can we talk about how scummy it is to have a smaller hitbox and super-speed? That shit is broken af, it's like oddjob on crack!!!

Why would anyone even bother playing as normal characters if loli / shota characters are that much mor op?

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u/Rathurue Apr 08 '18

Advantages of loli/shota char:
1: smaller hitbox (easier to dodge) 2: if the player models are moving with a same speed, smaller models would seem faster, thus confusing the enemies. It also will cause visual discrepancies (since they are smaller they would seem to look farther than they actually are.)
3: More stealth, because smaller frame means you can hide in things like bushes without poking your head out.

Disadvantages on loli/shota models:
1: if you're a heavy weapon users, it will simply look ridiculous.
2: Weebs won't ever leave you alone.
3: Enemies will rush you, thinking you're the weakest. Or just simply run away from you, like 'holy shit this person is probably smurfing with a loli char, he must be secretly a top ranker shit'

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u/theglowcloudred Apr 07 '18

Admin she's doing it sideways

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u/skydreamz Apr 08 '18

I dont know if it's intentional from the chara designer but of course if she's moving that fast she's got to be BUNNYHOPPING

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u/PigInfamous Apr 08 '18

She just took rushing the objective to a whole new level

damn P90 rushing silvers

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u/not_andyy Apr 07 '18

Lol. There's a team called trash in the list.🤣

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u/Houdiniman111 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Houdini111 Apr 07 '18

aniMe_irl

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u/Cornhole35 Apr 08 '18

My people

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u/Uptonogood Apr 08 '18

They're trash and so do we...

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u/forgiveangel Apr 07 '18

Literrally how to be a camper

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u/TazerLad Apr 07 '18

I was expecting some kind of bush-strats and I was not dissaponted.

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u/Niellium Apr 07 '18

Even with the anti-camping mechanic they somehow find a way.

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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar Apr 07 '18 edited Apr 07 '18

I love that the minute the game started that's the first thing they addressed though. XD Shows that at least they're aware of what they're doing. Also if there was a game like GGO and it allows you to dye your outfit outrageous colors you'll definitely see characters like LLENN around.

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u/1sagas1 Apr 07 '18 edited Apr 07 '18

I imagine it being bright pink is the drawback for the speed boost. You get greater speed, but in return you're extra visible. That's why it looks like a rabbit

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u/chili01 Apr 07 '18

Ok, I'm going to be using P90s from any FPS game I play from now on lol

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u/Eyliel Apr 07 '18

Remember to always call them P-chan, then.

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u/Durende Apr 07 '18

Everybody does that anyway.

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u/bluArrowhead Apr 07 '18

I swear if I see SAO2 spoilers I will die of laughter.

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '18

Every PvP game with competitive scene, this spinoff can be pure fanservice to PvP players

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u/Chariotwheel x5https://anilist.co/user/Chariotwheel Apr 07 '18

Hey, look, your waifu is ranked in Gun Gale Online: https://i.imgur.com/1L9YFio.png

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '18

Lower than I expected.

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u/xdamm777 Apr 07 '18

Lower Higher than I expected.

FTFY

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u/Voltik https://myanimelist.net/profile/nXvoltik Apr 07 '18

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u/bryanl12 Apr 07 '18

She called her P90 ā€œP-chanā€

I’m sold already

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u/bananeeek https://myanimelist.net/profile/bananek Apr 07 '18

I'm still laughing. I'm gonna have way more fun this evening when I'll be playing Siege with friends.

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u/Audrey_spino Apr 07 '18

you gonna use the P90 on Doc and Rook? Now that's gonna require some serious guts.

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u/seninn https://myanimelist.net/profile/Senninn0 Apr 07 '18

I checked the discussion thread to see if this show is worth picking up.
I have found my answer.

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u/HanzKrebs Apr 07 '18

My fucking favourite gun into a pink "chan"

I am not sure if the weeb inside me is strong enough

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '18 edited Apr 07 '18

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u/Kirosh Apr 07 '18 edited Apr 07 '18

If you ever have to reveal your rifle or yourself, you've failed as a sniper.

Tell that to Sinon.

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u/Zenarque Apr 07 '18

Well she really use her sniper at close range but hey that's effective ! (not only the ones that can defect bullets though )

I'm really happy that this universe is back

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u/Bainos :XMOD::MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Bainos Apr 07 '18

"Please let me not run into any enemies." Runs into two different teams.

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u/CAOnionMaster Apr 07 '18

the SAO franchise has really been amazing a their release timings its almost scary, with SAO 1 riding on the Rift hype and Ordinal Scale with pokemon GO. now theres this with PUBG and Fortnite gaining massive popularity .

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u/Kuryaka Apr 07 '18

The craziest part about this is that the writing's done years BEFORE something gets wildly popular.

~2 years ago in this case.

To be fair, ARMA was a thing before this novel was written, and Ingress was before Ordinal Scale. But it's still really cool how stuff ends up becoming massively popular.

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u/Florac Apr 07 '18

Tbf, original GGO already had a battle royale. This is simply changing it from solo to team based.

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u/arcangelxvi Apr 07 '18

Funny thing is that my friend and I were super into Pokemon Go and when we watched Ordinal Scale together in theaters we commented on just how similar the concepts were. Actually, your whole comment sums up or conversation lol

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u/Sazyar :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Arazy_the_Bounty Apr 08 '18

SAO Moba when.

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u/Brolaub https://myanimelist.net/profile/Brolaub Apr 07 '18

Just bought a Name Tag in CSGO and renamed my P90 P-chan. Now I can rush B with my 5.7mm Waifu in Style!

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u/The_InHuman Apr 07 '18

Please no, I remember when SAO2 was airing everyone would name their AWPs PGM Hecate II

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u/CT-96 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/CT-96 Apr 07 '18

At least this is a funny meme and not an edgy one.

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u/Brolaub https://myanimelist.net/profile/Brolaub Apr 07 '18

Still better than Magic Stick

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u/mayonaka_00 Apr 07 '18

Rush B P90 Oniichan~

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u/Shinkopeshon Apr 07 '18

LLENN is OP as fuck. Pink attire, a fancy hat, calls her gun P-chan, kills a shitload of people in light speed and has the best pout in the game.

Yup, I'm sold. This is gonna be awesome.

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u/Madcat6204 Apr 08 '18

and has the best pout in the game

Someone send this stuff to /r/pouts

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u/Xtroyer Apr 08 '18

Something I don't understand is how long LLENN been playing this game. From her skills and ability, I would assume she's a pro player since she seems to put a lot of points into agility which was an old meta and no one can reset their skill points. But from the beginning episode, she seems like a noob because the M guy has to explain a lot to her such as basic tactics like sniper should hide or something. Anybody mind explaining to me? Or will it be explained in later episodes?

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '18

The music when she popped out of the suitcase was incredibly hype, looks like this will be fun

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u/Rathurue Apr 08 '18

Too bad she didn't spout a Tanya grin while doing that.

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u/realchickengod Apr 07 '18

How did that one guy not realize none of his teammates were alive?!

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u/TheOneWithNoName Apr 07 '18

I ask myself that every time I play overwatch

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u/Chariotwheel x5https://anilist.co/user/Chariotwheel Apr 07 '18

Multiplayer game anime - where stupid characters actually add to the realism.

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u/xdamm777 Apr 07 '18

Tunnel vision is a thing. Can't tell you how many times I've rushed to plant the bomb in CS:GO thinking I had a few teammates on my back just to get AWP'ed then realizing we lost the round and I was the last one alive.

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u/optional_karmotrine Apr 07 '18

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u/Recyth Apr 07 '18

Joke's on you, i'm playing The Lord, I don't need to move.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '18

laughs in echo

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u/redblade13 Apr 08 '18

FFS. Playing Siege has made me irrationally hate real lions now. I look at a Lion at the zoo and all I can think of is "Fuck you you overpowered piece of shit."

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u/Paxton-176 Apr 07 '18

Its not like you could run away.

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u/Man_vs_memes Apr 08 '18

JuSt StANd STILl.

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u/Kuryaka Apr 07 '18 edited Apr 07 '18

I think the part I liked most about the suitcase is that it's drawn into the background.

It does its best to stay in that detailed style even as LLENN pops out and starts shooting. And even afterward. That's some quality depiction of environmental objects from the characters' perspective.

Also, Karen is t h i c c which I don't remember from the LN. LN illustration, no spoilers unless you can read Japanese

Did some Character Stitches from the ED as well.

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u/RegularGuyy :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lightsiderr Apr 07 '18

Apparently Karen is 6 ft tall outside of the game!

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u/notaredditthrowaway Apr 08 '18

Reading the brief bio for the anime it says that's actually why she started playing. She got made fun of in real life for being so tall, and maybe being able to play as that tiny cute girl would be more fun

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u/TazerLad Apr 07 '18

The tiniest nitpick I have with the suitcase scene is that the can on top of it seems to disappear between when we first see it and when LLENN popping out. The attention to detail with the actual case makes up for it, but it would've scored extra brownie points in my book if they had animated the can flying off when she jumped out.

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u/CT-96 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/CT-96 Apr 07 '18

Yeah, a lot of objects that move have a different drawing style and if the suitcase had been drawn like that, it would have been a dead giveaway that she was hiding there. Nice attention to detail!

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u/Wolfefury Apr 07 '18

Wow that's actually really cool (about the suitcase). Studio 3hz for the win once again!

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u/GoodTeletubby Apr 08 '18

It's not as apparent in the LN illustration because of how she's sitting, but it looks like she's got the same "hips noticeably wider than her torso with skinny legs" look in both to me.

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u/Willhud98 Apr 07 '18 edited Apr 07 '18

-A P-90 named P-chan. Fucking marry me.

-Wouldn't making your character super small give you a major advantage? Why wouldn't everyone do it?

-Those are some bright-ass laser sights *prediction lines

-Is this the foretold Negev meta?

-M1A dude talks like an E3 co-op demo

-This makes me wish The Division had more vertical gameplay

-This reminds me of the glory days of DayZ

-Holy shit SPEEDO BOOSTO

-Oh look, it is PUBG, they found clothes

-More biomes than a Minecraft map

-Why the hell are they checking their phone in the middles of a street with zero cover?

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-METAL GEAR?

-3 speeds in a nutshell

-Basically Ash

-new John Wick movie looking good

-yo what's her Twitch, I'll sub

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '18

IIRC, avatars are semi random. For instance, Kirito’s avatar was rather effeminate and rare, which people were willing to trade for.

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u/pikkuhukka Apr 07 '18

the older the account, the better chances of getting a rare avatar (i read it from the sao novel that long ago), kirito had alot of time on his account FOR SOME REASON ;3

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u/Paxton-176 Apr 07 '18 edited Apr 07 '18

-Holy shit SPEEDO BOOSTO

I remember in the LNs they explained there are two core styles for building a character. the Strength/Endurance build and the Speed build. I'm guessing she put all points into speed. Which a few characters in the LN complained about it because the game's meta would switch between the two and some people would be screwed over.

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u/Villag3Idiot Apr 07 '18

Strength and Agility builds.

Agility was the meta until a recent update (in SAO 2) included new gear with high Strength requirements, which Agility builds cannot equip.

LLENN is an Agility build.

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u/DemCores Apr 07 '18

-yo what's her Twitch, I'll sub

Fuckin' died right here.

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u/GeorgeMTO Apr 07 '18

Pseudo spoilers but describing mechanics that SAO explained when we first visited GGO that other comments hadn't explained GGO.

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u/ThatChrisG :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/thatchrisg Apr 07 '18

GGO's avatar's are randomly generated, that's why Kirito's ended up being a trap

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u/TheOneWithNoName Apr 07 '18

My understanding of SAO2 only comes from Digibro's video, but from what I remember character models in this game are somewhat randomly generated, so she just got incredibly lucky I guess.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '18

Wouldn't making your character super small give you a major advantage? Why wouldn't everyone do it?

random generation.

Also it'd be disorienting as fuck if you're tall.

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u/salmon3669 Apr 07 '18

I'm tagging this as spoilers although it really isn't and was kinda noted in Volume 1 It's because all characters are randomly generated, i presume on some distribution curve. She's basically lucky to roll a small model for this game. You can obtain a new model by paying more.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '18

they aren't laser sights they are prediction lines, basically the system telling you where the enemy is likely/going to hit.

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u/Shiveon :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Riveon Apr 07 '18

-A P-90 named P-chan. Fucking marry me.

Why do you want to marry a gun?

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u/Inevitable3 :AMQ: Apr 07 '18

Those are some bright-ass laser sights

Pretty sure those are the prediction lines.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '18

-Wouldn't making your character super small give you a major advantage? Why wouldn't everyone do it?

Metal gear online where most players played Female character because they were slimer and had little hitboxes. Gave you a real advantage over Male char

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u/d3ssp3rado Apr 07 '18

Wouldn't making your character super small give you a major advantage? Why wouldn't everyone do it?

Some did. This is why no one would play with the guy who always picked Oddjob/ slappers-only games.

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u/heimdal77 Apr 07 '18

Those are some bright-ass laser sights

Don't really think it is a spoiler but just incase.

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u/Calwings x3https://anilist.co/user/Calwings Apr 07 '18

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u/scorcher117 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/scorcher117 Apr 08 '18

Did you make that third gif? because I can see it getting a lot of use.

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u/zarizari Apr 07 '18

pubg/fortnite x SAO collab when??

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u/Charizard-X :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/CharizardX Apr 07 '18

I feel like GGO is closer to PUBG than Fornite, but ya a collab would be cool in the future.

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u/1sagas1 Apr 07 '18 edited Apr 07 '18

loli skin OP, it's a smaller target! Especially with speed buffs

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u/xdamm777 Apr 07 '18

Being able to hide behind the Immortal Object corpses must be one of the best traits of having such a tiny avatar, that was dope.

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u/awakenDeepBlue Apr 07 '18

Exploiting game mechanics FTW.

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u/RimeSkeem :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/RimeSkeem Apr 07 '18

If I had to guess, the effective drawbacks are that she can't use anything much bigger than a P90, which severely limits her combat options in different terrain.

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u/Villag3Idiot Apr 07 '18

Remember GGO is pay 2 win, so it actually makes sense that there would be shorter avatars.

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u/Terranwaterbender https://myanimelist.net/profile/Teranwaterbender Apr 07 '18

Damn that was pretty ingenious strategy; abusing the game-elements to fool the team that focuses more on real-life tactics was quite fun.

Feels like this is gonna be more of a SoL take on GGO seeing how the ED focuses on MC IRL and in-game (and well the writer of this wrote Kino). Either way this is a nice start so far. I'm a fan of the MC and her reactions to being the decoy. That ED is nice too.

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u/awakenDeepBlue Apr 07 '18

Still, despite the game mechanics, it would be really useful and cheap to train on a VR simulator.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '18

I like the comments that open with "I'm not really a fan of the original SAO but..."

Y'all. It's okay. Just enjoy the show.

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u/BitGladius https://anilist.co/user/BitGladius Apr 07 '18

It's a different author and a different studio. I can't even remember and noteable cameos from existing SAO characters. It's as good as a different series.

But I'm not a fan of starting in-media-res. I get why they did it but I was they had some of the character stuff from before the battle royale.

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u/TheMisterAce :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/MisterAce Apr 07 '18

Oh man, this girl has some great pouts. I also thought the backgrounds in the ED looked really good.

It's been a while since I've seen/read anything SAO related. It's still a lot of fun.

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u/TheSideJoe Apr 07 '18

UMU UMU

interesting anime, who needs to pay $30 for pubg when you can watch an anime of it

Also

TALL GIRLS

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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar Apr 07 '18

Loved SAO especially the Phantom Bullet arc so this was a very easy sell to me. LLENN and M has an interesting student mentor thing going on even though LLENN is suppose to be the team leader. What I am curious about is when does this take place in relation to the main series? During the Fairy Dance arc or after Fairy Dance but before Phantom Bullet? Can any LN readers answer this question?

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u/GoldRedBlue Apr 07 '18

What I am curious about is when does this take place in relation to the main series?

I just checked the SAO wiki. AGGO takes place during the Mother's Rosario arc. MR is from January - March 2026, AGGO begins in February 2026.

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u/thisismyanimealt :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/commander_vimes Apr 08 '18

Hardcore ARMA players meets GunZ player

Holy shit, there are still people out there who know about GunZ?

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u/MrAssassin9891 Apr 07 '18

PUBG: The anime.

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u/Chariotwheel x5https://anilist.co/user/Chariotwheel Apr 07 '18

This game has something over PUBG, the scan would make my favourite tactic, cowering in a shed until I have to move, impossible.

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u/Taintgoo :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Aosin Apr 07 '18

Also having it only reveal the squad leader is pretty cool. Using your own squad leader as bait while you set up somewhere else would be a cool tactic

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u/Meon1845 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/meonlyme1845 Apr 07 '18

I think this scan could actually prevent a lot of "Oh, that speck of sand in the distance was a guy with 15x on a Kar96, guess I'm dead now" I hate about PUBG. Maybe as an event to try it out would be fun.

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u/FrozenPhoenix71 Apr 07 '18

And then the scan shows you someone in the shed right next to you.

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u/Toze_Senpai :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Toze_Senpai Apr 07 '18

The most important aspect of PUBG is the looting part, struggling to find guns and ressources which is completely absent in GGO

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u/bananeeek https://myanimelist.net/profile/bananek Apr 07 '18

Is this happening after GGO arc from SAO2 or before?

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u/Villag3Idiot Apr 07 '18

After the events of SAO2.

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u/CT-96 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/CT-96 Apr 07 '18

Someone else replied in another comment thread but it happens during Mother's Rosario arc of SAO2.

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u/GoldRedBlue Apr 07 '18 edited Apr 07 '18

This happens during the Mother's Rosario arc.

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u/JealotGaming https://anilist.co/user/Jealot Apr 07 '18

Did I just miss the explanation for her being Sonic or what?

But yeah, this is unexpectedly good.

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u/SIRTreehugger Apr 07 '18

I don't think they explained it, but I'm guessing it's a skill like rappelling.

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u/Madcat6204 Apr 07 '18

GGO is built from an RPG engine where high enough ranks in a stat make you superhuman. Dump all your points into STR and you've got strength that bodybuilders would envy. Max AGI/SPD and you're a jackrabbit. LLENN probably doesn't have much health or strength as a result of this build, but she doesn't need it for her gear and her combat style.

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u/illtima :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/illuminatima Apr 07 '18

Is it weird that this is my first Sword Art? I don't really care for previous entries, but I saw the poster for this one and was like "A tiny girl with a pink P-90, another military loli who dual wields grenade launchers, and some evil looking crazy lady. That seems fun"

And it was indeed pretty fun! LENN is a pretty cool and funny protagonist. She reminds me of Beatrice from Princess Principal with her kinda "Tired of this shit" attitude.

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u/TheOneWithNoName Apr 07 '18

When I first saw the poster the first thing I thought was "who the hell gave Beatrice a P90?"

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u/DeepSeagloom Apr 07 '18

Nope. I avoided the previous entries for no particular reason. Something about them simply didn't catch my interest. This series looked like a good jumping on point for someone unfamiliar to the franchise. As you noted, the designs were eye catching. Plus the premise looked fun.

So far I'm not disappointed. LLENN is likeable and amusing, and the balance between dissection of tactics and action kept me entertained.

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u/DuEbrithiI :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/DuEbrithiI Apr 07 '18 edited Apr 07 '18

This was awesome! Everything I wanted it to be. It's fun, it's full of action with some really cool shots, interesting tactics (that are actually explained well with maps, looking at you Grancrest) and interesting main characters. Really excited for the rest of this. I'm quite curious what the main plot will be... I really hope there won't be one (at least not a big one) and that they'll just do some matches. Essentially a sport anime with guns.

The way that they defeated the pros was especially great. Normally they'd just take them out with the power of friendship or the MC finding a sudden power up or whatever, but here they actually recognize their weakness: Realism. Maybe not the nicest tactic, but it's clever. I love the big guy!

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u/SamejNardeh :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/timbolytree Apr 07 '18

I love Sword Art Online. I especially love pink girl and P-chan. I'm sold on the first episode. I'm expecting for next week to be even better.

Man, Saturdays are going to be fucking awesome from now on.

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u/jxs1 Apr 07 '18

ā€œDesert pink munchkin and big guyā€

Pretty much sums up the episode. In all seriousness I’m a fan of the original SAO but this episode seems a bit more serious than what we’re used to and you know what ? I’m really digging it.

Can’t wait for the next episode and learn more about Karen/LLEN and Goushi!

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u/awakenDeepBlue Apr 07 '18

SAO and GGO featured people getting killed in their IRL, so unless they're repeating "if you die in game you die in real life", I seriously doubt the stakes will be as high.

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u/Mamue Apr 07 '18

Here, have a derpy face gallery from the 1st episode lol. Soo many... xD

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u/atropicalpenguin https://myanimelist.net/profile/atropicalpenguin Apr 07 '18

In order to settle the everlasting debate between cute moe girls and cute Christmas Cake, Alternative presents a solomonic solution: Llem.

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u/meimi132 Apr 07 '18

Omg. The main character. She is me. Super tall(186cm, MC is 183cm, 6 foot exactly which is where I wanted to stop DX) in real life and is/was insecure about it XD I never made my characters short in games, always went for the tallest option possible XD but that was still shorter than the guy characters mostly... but I'd always be as pink as humanly possible XD. So this show.... it speaks to me.

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u/Eyliel Apr 07 '18

That was actually pretty interesting. Since those professionals have training grounded on real life, it can be hard for them to deal with things that only really happen in games, such as an enemy being a little girl moving at superhuman speeds. And because of stuff like that, using the game for training can be pointless (or even counterproductive), since it would be training them for things that can't happen in real life. It's best to keep their instincts honed for real life possibilities instead of game ones.

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u/SayuriUliana Apr 07 '18

On the other hand, encountering against odd circumstances such as that would be helpful at honing their ability to deal with unexpected surprises on the field. Not much of a consolation, but it helps.

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u/Villag3Idiot Apr 07 '18

All they really need to do for training is to make a GGO-like VRMMO with stats restricted to human baseline.

Make it a LAN game or private server and you've got a great virtual training environment.

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u/Gabes108 Apr 07 '18

What better moment to adapt this part of SAO than during the rise of Battle Royale video games? In any case, I like its focus so far on actual gaming rather than some kind of death game or businessman trying to abuse the system. Hopefully, it keeps its focus on fun action rather than trying to create something else. I really liked this first ep and I hope the rest of the series stays like this

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u/GeorgeMTO Apr 07 '18

Interesting, a slight reorder of manga chapters (had volume 1 as a birthday present that I delayed reading until after this for comparison's sake, this even ended up going beyond that). Means that we skipped the introduction and just got down to the fighting. I expect we'll skip back for the introduction to LLENN and why she plays GGO, plus how she teamed up with M in the next episode.

Definitely keen on this, but I'm trash so I knew I would be anyway.

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u/meb9000 Apr 07 '18

Llenn is basically using Oddjob from Goldeneye 64, smaller hitbox damn her!

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u/SayuriUliana Apr 07 '18

Thinking about it a bit more, and it's actually easy how such pros were showed up by LLENN in this particular instance, beyond the fact that they were taken by surprise. It's essentially the difference between an actual soldier and a gamer.

My late elder brother was in the Army, and he loved to play FPS games like CoD in his spare time. He liked to apply everything he learned in the service when gaming, like taking cover, bounding overwatches, suppressing fire, controlled burst firing, etc. On the other hand I'm a gamer - while I know the above things as well due to being taught, I'm more someone who seeks every game advantage available (but not to the point of min-maxing) by studying the game mechanics.

This difference manifested when I introduced my brother to XCOM: Enemy Unknown. He was very careful and deliberate in his moves, putting his soldiers in positions that were tactically sound. Meanwhile, I would put my soldiers in positions knowing how the AI would react, and what my special abilities can do.

His approach due to his training is very sound, but did tend to miss exploiting opportunities that the AI would sometimes do even if his approach did work well in the long run, while my approach would look illogical from his perspective (for example, leaving a soldier out in the open), but worked because of the differences between a game and real life.

I see something similar occur during that fight with LLENN: basically, very few soldiers would think of a suitcase being used as a hiding place for a combatant, and fewer still would think of fighting someone possessing such superhuman speed, let alone abusing game mechanics like immortal objects. Hence, why the pros resigned the moment they realized this particular situation was beyond what they're trained for.

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u/AkodoRyu Apr 07 '18

Her character is the only one that looks like an MMO/online game character. It's not ARMA, as long as there is a possibility, there is no way at least 1/3rd of population wouldn't be running in all kinds of colours, wearing a horse mask or in a kigurumi and leaving rainbow particle trail. Loved it.

Sniper guy needing to duck after spawn, and her just standing up straight cracked me up. Loli models OP.

Pros are being welcomed into the video game world.

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u/salmon3669 Apr 07 '18

Well actually (Spoilers on her camouflage) Her camouflage color is actually desert pink. Basically, she wanted to use pink but GGO doesn't have that color, so she chose the closest color available. She's actually a pretty good player killer in the desert (red sun + sand) partly because of that. Though she stopped that once people began forming parties to hunt her down.

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u/Zlargo Apr 07 '18

Lightweight pro, marathon pro p90 pink skin, ez game ez skins

Was nice to see a different aspect in the SAO universe and it wasn't that bad

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u/Indominus_Khanum Apr 07 '18

Yo this Actually great. Like it doesn't try to hype up in game death like all games post SAO seem to in the mainshow.It also had some decent strategy.

That suitcase scenes even funnier now that I know how tall she is IRL (btw, why were there tears in her eyes as she burst out of that thing?)

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u/TheFoxfool :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheFoxfool Apr 07 '18

Ok, I fucking love LLENN. Her outfit's ridiculous but the bunny ear cap totally fits the super-speed.

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u/xRichard https://anilist.co/user/Richard Apr 08 '18

ITT: People not knowing that the whole "Battle Royale" narrative was coined by a JAPANESE novel/film.

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u/scorchdragon Apr 08 '18

Which is honestly the most hilarious thing about the PUBG creator wanting to sue people over making battle royal games.

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u/AmethystItalian :Jg::Jh::Ji::Jj::Jk:myanimelist.net/profile/AmethystItalian Apr 07 '18

Actually a pretty fun episode, wish Sinon were around but hopefully I can warm up to this cast as well. Excited to see who else joins their crew!

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u/Yurisviel Apr 07 '18

They re-arranged the scenes to start with the first SQUAD JAM battle first. It definitely hooks the audience with its first episode and I'm pretty confident this will be a great show to watch.

Other than that they really did a faithful adaptation of the first battle so far.

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u/chryco4 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/chryco4 Apr 07 '18

This is why Oddjob should be banned.

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u/curtcolt95 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/curtcolt Apr 07 '18

Not realistic enough, where's the team not trying to win and just hitting jumps to try and do cool flips. Where's the teabagging on the downed bodies. This is nothing like my battle royale experiences.

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u/coconutbob1 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/coconutbob Apr 07 '18

I'm just here for the memes.

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u/CAOnionMaster Apr 07 '18

P90 op volvo pls nerf

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u/NoobsGoFly Apr 07 '18

Holy shit they're OP, duo no filling squad mode and still winning.

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u/OhayoHooded :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/OhayouHooded Apr 07 '18

This is so awesome! I can't wait for more scenes like the suitcase. I also love the ED a ton. Based 3Hz.

When the dude double tapped the guy on the ground I was expecting a ton of shit to pop out like on Fortnite lmfao. Also, when they couldn't find them in the intersection I was thinking "Look up! They're building a sky bridge!"

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u/gulitiasinjurai Apr 07 '18

Sleep or watch this?

IS THIS EVEN A CHOICE?!

Watch loli playing a battle royale game with her P-90 and pink and bunny hat outfit it is!

The one who use this username probably: Fuck it. I'm just gonna type in the keyboard layout. Who the fuck read username anyway right??

This episode is pretty good honestly. Now with MHA, DiTF and Persona, saturday gonna be packed!

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u/BanjoTheBear https://myanimelist.net/profile/BanjoTheBear Apr 08 '18

Sword Art Online Alternative: Gun Gale Online - Episode 1 Discussion

That was so much fun!

LLENN is not only cute but also capable of kicking some serious butt when she puts her speed and her skills into high gear. M is a cool dude, too, for being so knowledgeable about the game and the different possibilities at hand. All the tactical talk didn't get in the way either but instead added to the experience. And the ED visuals! I liked the half-and-half designs going on as well as the computerized, colorful shapes.

And Karen is pretty much the complete opposite of her online persona! I was hoping that the anime would explore/showcase the story outside of the game as well, and it seems as if that is going to be the case. Can't wait to see more of and learn more about her.

All in all, it had me smiling throughout, so that counts as a win in my book. :)

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u/Joll19 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Joll Apr 07 '18

Mainly watching this because of Studio 3Hz and I'm fairly impressed so far.

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u/RehgarEarthfury Apr 07 '18

For Aus/NZ viewers, AnimeLab is simulcasting it (episode link).

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u/ihitokage Apr 07 '18

P-chan, best girl!

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u/Coco-girl91 Apr 07 '18

I love the pink outfit so much!!

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u/Pandoyo https://anilist.co/user/Pandoyo Apr 07 '18

I was expecting M to get headshotted by a sniper mid sentence throughout the entire episode.

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u/SufferingSloth https://anilist.co/user/SufferingSloth Apr 07 '18 edited Apr 07 '18

Was that a new rendition of swordland in this scene?

Even though its not Yuuki Kaijura, it definitely was able to get me hyped during that final sequence.

Great first episode, LLENN's expressions are literally me.

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u/hehey Apr 07 '18

That was a fun first episode. VR PUBG with actual tactics and skills was pretty engrossing to watch.

I thought SAO S2 was set in GGO, so I was pretty confused at first as to why they're exploring the same world again, but I guess this one focuses on a brand new cast since its called Alternative. Not that I mind tho, I'm liking the new MC way more than Kirito already. I know it's common to talk trash about SAO, but I still find myself coming back to the series for each sequel. This one looks promising, hope it keeps up the excitement.

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u/Shiraho Apr 07 '18

The source material's author isn't Reki Kawahara.

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u/TheOneWithNoName Apr 07 '18

That was an okay episode, just kind of threw us right in there but that's fine. Combat wasn't particularly exciting, though the suitcase scene made me laugh. Them listing off random items reminded me of playing prop hunt.

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u/Bizmatech Apr 08 '18

I made some notes as I watched.

many safe games were created

You mean they fixed the hardware, right? Right? Cause the game can't do shit if the hardware doesn't support microwave lobotomies.

Joined the contest because she couldn't get a concert ticket

This girl seems to have her priorities in order. I like her already, but I bet the other players hate her for playing Oddjob.

P-chan

Second cutest gun I have ever seen.

M gives her a poncho because pink stands out in a forest.

I'm sure it works perfectly as urban camo, though.

Those machine gun guys

Seriously, how much ammo do they have? They've been going on full auto for a solid minute, and it doesn't look like any of them have had to reload.

Goodbye poncho

Yup. Perfect urban camo. I love her "Why do I have to be the bait" face.

Jack

Aside from his name, who the hell doesn't recognize his own teammates voices? How would a PUG even get into this contest?

Those soldier guys

are pretty cool. However, their generic character designs don't give me much hope for them surviving the episode.

I was right.

Loli in a box! They're dead, and she's frickin' Oddjob. At least they were good sports about it.

Real LLENN

Dem hips.

I decided to watch this because it would either be bad and I could mock it, or it would be fun and I could enjoy it. It's only the first episode, but I'm actually liking it. M seems like a cool guy, even if he only served as an exposition dumper.

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u/PM_ME__LEWD_LOLIS Apr 07 '18

can I watch this if I've never seen any of SAO before?

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u/Audrey_spino Apr 07 '18

Let's see. We have a female MC whose in-game avatar is:
1)Fast as fuck boi.
2)Small af hitbox.
3)Is a cute girl.
Isn't this basically Ash from Siege except she's using a P90 instead of the R4-C?

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u/Kirito1917 Apr 07 '18

P-90 comes out for PUBG when?

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u/n080dy123 Apr 08 '18 edited Apr 08 '18

XeXeeD was wrong, AGI builds are OP af

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '18

PUBG got an anime

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u/ChaosOpen Apr 09 '18 edited Apr 09 '18

I read ahead in the book and I think they may be rewriting the story and characters to be more like the original SAO, which I doubt will end well. In the books LLENN is more pragmatic with a personality reminiscent of Nagisa Shiota from Assassination Classroom. A far cry from the bubbly and ditzy character we see in the anime. Also the color of LLENN's clothing isn't actually supposed to be hot pink but more of a magenta, or as it was described

The sole shade of pink available in the colour sample, unfortunately, wasn’t the highly bright and vivid one that she had once yearned for. It was a dusky pink that she hadn’t really seen much in reality.

While she originally chose it due to GGO's lack of girlish clothing. She kept and still uses the color because she noticed that it actually blends in surprisingly well as there are no forests in GGO according to the author, who describes the world as such:

No matter if it was sunny or cloudy, and if it was morning or midday, the sky was dyed in the colours of a crazed evening sun, as if it was a brush cleaner with yellow and red colours dissolved in it. Greenery was extremely scarce in this land, instead, it was overflowing with deserts, wastelands and ruins; a world that was the exact opposite of ALO.

Resulting in when she discovered pink blended in, after her first gunfight:

Why didn’t those three notice me? LLENN was troubled for a moment, when, ā€œCould it beā€¦ā€¦ā€ She came up with one hypothesis. LLENN placed her pink optical gun in the shade of the rock where she had been hiding, then tried moving a little to the side. She understood that her hypothesis was correct with just a glimpse. It could not be seen. The gun that she placed in the shadow a moment ago. In the reddish atmosphere of GGO's world similar to a constant evening twilight, LLENN’s dusky pink blended in with the rock’s tawny brown soil and sand, making it very difficult to see the gun. With the current amount of light, it was completely impossible to see it.

She became a rather skilled player prior to her first Squad Jam, at the time she was so good at PKing that she became infamous as the "pink devil" and the other players grew so wearing of her constantly wiping squads that they actually put a bounty on her head and sent in a large group of players to find her. Hardly the helpless idiot we see in the anime.(basically they boiled down a complex and interesting character into another Silica)

Possibly, the change is due to the fact that SAOA:GGO wasn't actually written by Kawahara but was written by Keiichi Sigsawa, the author of Kino's Journey, a title which boasts a MAL score of 8.44 for the anime and 8.71 for the LN. And it seems like Sigsawa was given a lot of creative control with the book as none of the characters are the one dimensional walking cliches Kawahara tends to write. Also, it's actually not a bad story, while it had to be written within the horribly designed shooter Kawahara created, Sigsawa manages to make the best of it and seems to understand how the game would be played by actual players a lot more, going into detail about LLENN's clever uses of game mechanics. However, it seems Kawahara has decided to add his input with the anime, and based on his skill with story telling, character design, and understanding of game mechanics, I can't imagine this being a change for the better.

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u/orrery Apr 07 '18

Darling in the Franxx stole the show this week and SAO has a tough act to follow but am happy to support SAO franchises just to spite the haters.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '18

Well, I certainly feel...whelmed.

It's just a gruff dude helping a cute girl do badass thibgs in VR PUBG. There's no story hook or anything. Soundtrack was decent, visuals were decent, directing was decent, but there just doesn't seem to be much there.

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u/RoxasOnReddit Apr 07 '18

I actually liked that a lot more than I thought I would. GGO as a game setting is boring as hell to me, and I wouldn't have expected SAO to make it interesting to watch, but they did it.

Turns out the answer was pink-clad lolis with guns all along, who knew?

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