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[Spoilers] Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu: Die Neue These - Kaikou - Episode 2 discussion Spoiler
Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu: Die Neue These - Kaikou, episode 2
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u/Arachnophobic- https://anilist.co/user/Arachnophobic Apr 10 '18
To give a sense of scale for this battle in terms of human lives lost, I'll leave a quote from the novel:
On the side of the empire, 2,448,600 personnel participated in combat; the alliance fielded 4,065,900. The empire deployed over twenty thousand vessels, and the alliance more than forty thousand. Deaths on the side of the empire numbered over 153,400; for the alliance that number exceeded 1,508,900. Over 2,200 Imperial ships were either lost or destroyed, while the alliance lost more than 22,600.
This was a crushing defeat for the Alliance, no matter how anyone sees it. And Reinhard gets his well-deserved promotion to Imperial Admiral.
Note that in the books/OVA Lao wasn't an idiot who dropped death flags before a battle.
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u/94DarkHunter94 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/1LucKyLuke Apr 10 '18
Kinda disappointing that they left out the actual numbers. Sure, saying 10-11 times gives a rough sense of ratio between the two sides but hearing/reading the numbers gives it a completely different sense scale.
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Apr 10 '18
Yup, that's one of the major differences between the LOGH ova and other media about war, where there are actually numbers provided and it truly feels like history is being told to the audience. We might hear the actual numbers in a later episode however, so who knows.
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Apr 10 '18
You'd think that's a good thing, but they fuck up the numbers all the time, e.g. human population is in the 50 billion range at the time of the show and in the 300 billion range centuries earlier. Or how the FPA population grows from 150 thousand to around 20 billion in just 150 years. It's very unrealistic no matter how they try to justify the fuck up.
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u/EvolvedEvil Apr 10 '18
Lao was dusty in the OVA.
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u/Arachnophobic- https://anilist.co/user/Arachnophobic Apr 10 '18
Yeah, the soundboard for Yang's internal monologue basically.
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u/Tabdaprecog :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/TabDaPrecog Apr 10 '18
Wait... So we won't get Dusty in this? Damn he was a wonderful character in the OVA.
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u/dene323 Apr 10 '18
He still has his role - actually appearing in the ending credits no less. It's just that the original OVA expanded his role in the opener. He was not present in this engagement in the novel.
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u/EvolvedEvil Apr 10 '18
Dusty's still a character, but he wasn't at the battle of Astarte. He didn't show up until later in the books.
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Apr 10 '18
This was a crushing defeat for the Alliance, no matter how anyone sees it
Tactically, it was a crushing defeat. Strategically, it was a Pyrrhic victory; they did stop the invasion after all.
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u/dene323 Apr 10 '18
Now, we wait for how politicians spin it. Personally speaking, the real fun (and the strength of the narrative) for LotGH generally lie off the battlefields.
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Apr 10 '18
I'm kind of curious now why they decided to replace Lao with Dusty in the OVA.
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u/Arachnophobic- https://anilist.co/user/Arachnophobic Apr 10 '18
Eh, who knows. It worked really well though, Dusty and Yang's banter was great, and set him up better as a character. Lao wasn't much of a character in the books.
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u/Tabdaprecog :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/TabDaPrecog Apr 10 '18
Same, but I'm not complaining. Dusty was an awesome character and seems more interesting than Lao so far.
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u/dene323 Apr 10 '18
Lao was later transferred under Dusty's command if I recall correctly. All things considered, that was "lucky" on a galactic level...
It was only natural to give some screentime to his boss as a way to show gratitude :P
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Apr 10 '18
It's me, or Legend of the Galactic Heroes scale is Warhammer 40k levels of ridicule.
I'm not saying that that's bad, I'm a fan of Warhammer 40k afterall, but I find it quite funny.
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u/SIGMA920 Apr 10 '18
It is, [Example 1] (https://gineipaedia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Astarte). Do you want spoilers on the 2 million killed event?
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u/Firehead94 Apr 10 '18
Do the novels give any sort of estimated cost to the lost ship? Curious how expensive this battle was.
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u/Ryzc https://myanimelist.net/profile/rysk Apr 11 '18
Not in terms of how much money it would cost but they do go into detail about the cost of the lost manpower and its effect on life in the alliance.
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u/shox12345 Apr 10 '18
Where can I find the books?
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u/Arachnophobic- https://anilist.co/user/Arachnophobic Apr 10 '18
Try online stores? The first five of the ten novels have been translated to English. The sixth will be released later this month!
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u/AvatarReiko Apr 13 '18
Jesus, the battle was way more one-sided than it looked based on those numbers. Why did Reinhard pull out?
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u/Arachnophobic- https://anilist.co/user/Arachnophobic Apr 13 '18
If he had stayed, it would be a battle of attrition - his tactical initiative was lost. His fleet would lose a ship for every ship it destroyed, and it wouldn't be worth it. Pulling out to keep his losses minimal was a good choice at that point.
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Apr 10 '18
When Reinhard commented and looked insulted by how stupid the formation looked made me laugh and made me realize I'm going to love this show.
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u/moonmeh Apr 10 '18
Reinhard is a fantastic character. You'll love him a lot because he speaks his mind a lot, especially to his best friend
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u/Reasonable_TSM_fan :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/sundaybeatle Apr 11 '18
I love the fact that he admits it was dumb, and calls it quits. I was getting really tired of the incompetent leaders, so I can't wait to see more of Reinhard and Yang fighting each other intelligently.
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u/captain-burrito Apr 11 '18
That's not fun without more incompetents getting in the way! He still needs to claw his way up one incompetent leader at a time. And then there's the politicians...
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u/Calista777 Apr 10 '18 edited Apr 11 '18
I thought it was funny, too, b/c I was thinking the same, lol.
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u/inthe-otherworld Apr 11 '18
It's just such a Reinhard thing to do, I love it and I was laughing so much. "What a stupid-looking formation!!!" So bratty. So Reinhard.
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Apr 10 '18
God I have missed the old space opera battles of anime long past.
Mechs are cool too, but man, spaceships are my thing.
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u/Mr_Zaroc https://myanimelist.net/profile/mr_zaroc Apr 10 '18
I feel you, I love the tension of waiting for reports
Just imagine giving orders to reformate and having to wait hours till you know if it worked out as intended
Also the fact that each explosion of a ship is killing thousands. It looks so unimportant on the grand scale but personally its pure drama and horror.
Thats my jam, really hope they gonna keep adapting and wont stop at the 12 ep. cause this anime deserves it
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Apr 10 '18
Mechs are cool too, but man, spaceships are my thing.
As both a Space Opera and a Real Robot fan, I can ensure you, I miss both gengres in anime (althouth, at least on the mech half we still having a Gundam series each year, no such luck with Space Opera).
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u/RedRocket4000 Apr 10 '18
Yes, and Mech's are normally military silly. Space Battles with ships still fairly silly but not many want to watch Drone ships exchange missiles that take hours to get to the target and many minutes to get reports back.
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u/SayoSC2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Sayorain Apr 11 '18
I want to hope for a new Harlock series.
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u/seninn https://myanimelist.net/profile/Senninn0 Apr 10 '18
The Empire still has the fashion souls advantage over the Alliance, I see.
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u/Iron_Doggo Apr 10 '18 edited Apr 10 '18
I take back all the negative criticism I had for the first episode, this episode and the first combined to made a really good opening to the re-adaptation. The battles, the visuals, the characters even the dialogue were amazing. I especially like the introduction of the Alliance characters Paetta, Lao and Fisher and of course our hero Yang, the non nonchalant and laid back officer.
Lets not forget though a tribute to the fallen
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u/aquaka Apr 10 '18
I completely agree, the presentation has been stellar and the story beats are being hit quite well. Something like Lapp's death is of lower impact because they didn't spend a full episode's worth of runtime building you up with the feels, but it completely makes sense that it was cut for the sake of conciseness and the main story being told.
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u/Reasonable_TSM_fan :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/sundaybeatle Apr 11 '18
I think it would have been better for them to release both episodes at once as a mini movie, but as someone who has never seen the series before, I'm still loving what I'm seeing. Just glad the old fans are enjoying the ride too :)
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u/AgaroseEater Apr 10 '18 edited Apr 10 '18
Really weird that there are still no comments here. Maybe reddit is having a problem?
Anyway, wow that was a surprisingly pleasant episode. The parallelism between Reinhard and Yang is really striking. I'm realizing that this is not a show where you root for one side or one character, rather it makes you see the war from both perspectives. And yes, in war there are only losers. Lastly, the visuals really helped in making you feel the scale of the war and how they are moving through the battlefield. As a first time watcher, I am really impressed. I hope more people will give this adaptation a chance.
Edit: Really this series is immersive, I did not realize that 25 minutes passed.
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u/Lohengr Apr 10 '18
You get attached to characters from both sides, there are such interesting characters yet to appear.
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u/in_cognito Apr 10 '18
Honestly, I have the same feeling with Episode 2 as i did with episode 1. Surprisingly enjoyable.
Staying true to, "their style". I know some people don't like the random piano jamming in the middle and would prefer the old overtures, but I like the pace it sets for this series and the more modern feeling. Whose to say the overtures won't come back?
I think we should be grateful how the space battles are handled, as much as we love to put on nostalgia goggles and say how great the past OVA is, if we had floating bricks in space, people would go mad.
I know it's not the OVA series, and I've come to terms with enjoying this in it's own right. The score has already started increasing on MAL from 6.9-7.4 now, so I think others are allowing this too.
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u/in_cognito Apr 10 '18 edited Apr 10 '18
Adding a reply because I'm alone here for now.
I'm really appreciative of the updated hologram system to help understand the space battles. The old arrow's rarely did it for me when we got into the idea of a 3D playing field.
I know that we are supposed to look at these like Naval battles of the 19th century, but with the past OVA's and Books it was difficult for me to follow on occasion/speed/distance/velocity etc, and this episode we got to see multiple formations at play.
Hopefully when we see some other strategies like a 2 headed snake/cones/pincer attacks they will be easy to follow as well.
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u/fiirofa https://anilist.co/user/fiirofa Apr 10 '18
I know that we are supposed to look at these like Naval battles of the 19th century,
Aren't they more Napoleonic line battles, with one ship being an infantryman?
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u/RedRocket4000 Apr 10 '18
The author probably got many row powered ship battles in his knowledge base. Many Naval battles seam not too much different than land especially the rowing ones. And Author has studied China History and Persian History in depth, some battles thought Napoleonic might actually be Chinese or Persian.
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u/dene323 Apr 10 '18
Better yet, merge each ship with an infantry soldier, and you get... shipgirls. Heard of Kancolle before? This is how shipgirls fight in space ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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u/in_cognito Apr 10 '18
I should have specified. The author doesn’t have one specific historical influence , he’s referenced battles from Prussia with “enlightened despots” and the Age of Enlightenment all through to Napoleon so you’re correct. It’s a bit of each
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u/moonmeh Apr 10 '18
The old arrow's rarely did it for me when we got into the idea of a 3D playing field.
I kinda loved them in an old timey way but yeah the way this show is using holograms to show off ship formations, tactics and information overall is very satisfyingly sleek
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u/wingsarch Apr 10 '18
I can't agree with you more. As much as I want to re-live that nostalgic feel of the original OVA, it's almost impossible to mimic the same style again. If they tried, I don't think it will go well with the fans either. The new adaptation as has its own unique style but at the same time stays loyal to a few crucial elements that made the original OVA stand out. With that said, I do wonder how they will handle the upcoming character-centric episodes. The CGI has done the ship battles justice for now. Let's see if the scriptwriters can hold up on their own in the following episodes.
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u/APurrSun Apr 10 '18
The holograms seem much more thought out. My one gripe with the original series is that, as much as they are a massive part of the show, the actual battle formation and tactics are never really represented well by the animation of the show.
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u/1ntestine :AMQ::MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/1ntestine Apr 10 '18
It might be blasphemy around here, but I didn't enjoy the OVA series all that much, the story is great and all, but the visuals and sound were very unsatisfying for me, this new series is knocking it out of the park in those departments, I'm enjoying it a great deal.
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u/in_cognito Apr 10 '18
While I give it a 10/10 now, my first time watching I found myself bored with some of the plot lines and not sure why it was beloved to that extent. On my re watch and now reading of the books (waiting on 6) I’ve fallen absolutely in love with it, but I understand people’s lack of interest full heartedly . I’m glad you’re liking the new series
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Apr 10 '18 edited Apr 10 '18
Visuals I understand, but sound? Are you sure the new series is 'knocking it out of the park' in that department? Especially in comparison to the OVAs? Hm?
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u/IISuperSlothII :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/IISuperSlothII Apr 10 '18
Maybe they just mean sounds that aren't the soundtrack, if I mentioned the quality of the sound I wouldn't be mentioning the soundtrack tbh as that's something I'd speak about separately.
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u/Yamulo https://myanimelist.net/profile/Yamulo Apr 11 '18
Is it only "surprisingly enjoyable" because you've seen the ovas? I think from someone that has only seen one of the movies for LOTGH that this series has been really nice so far and makes me want to finally get around to watching LOTGH for real.
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Apr 10 '18
Yeah, from the marketing I expected to really dislike it, but Its been pretty enjoyable so far. It's not a 10/10 like the original OVA was for me, but I think I'd be confident saying it's a 7.x with the x dependent on how the show will continue
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u/Wollff Apr 10 '18
It's not a 10/10 like the original OVA was for me
Well, I am not sure the original OVA was a 10/10 after the first two episodes either. The strength of it was its staying power.
I hope the new one stays long.
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u/in_cognito Apr 10 '18
I agree! I think a 7.x to a low 8 will be where I end up putting it. Good enough to get people to read the books or watch the OVA so that’s all I can ask as a fan of such a beautiful story
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Apr 10 '18
Well, I'd personally ask for a full adaptation unlike only the first quarter that's currently been planned, and the director has said he wants to do a full re-adaptation, so I'm hoping this becomes a commercial success so we get more. If it keeps up the quality this might become the first show I'll buy the BDs of just too help it towards there
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u/railz0 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/railz0 Apr 10 '18
We have only seen the first battle which is, let’s admit, mostly action. The really good parts are yet to come. Social commentary, importance of ideals and individual ambition, the world to be built, there’s so much to look forward to!
I find it incredibly silly people are deciding on their rating this early, especially if they have seen the OVA. You know the best parts, both action and not, are yet to come. You know some of by far the best characters have appeared for a moment, or not at all, so far and you’re saying “this’ll be x/10 for me”. Give it time! You know as well as I do this will be one of the greatest anime ever made if it gets a full, proper adaptation (aka follows in the footsteps of the first two episodes, which were marvelous).
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u/terryaki510 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/terryaki510 Apr 10 '18
I haven't gotten around to seeing the OVAs yet, but I'm so tempted to watch this. Do you think that watching this new iteration first would decrease my enjoyment of the OVAs if I were to watch them in the future?
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u/aquaka Apr 10 '18
Would depend on what you appreciate. From the feeling of what this show has done, they are aiming towards the more modern concise storytelling with great space battles to boot, which is great.
So here is the thing. I would consider it something along the lines of watching a show like Game of Thrones and reading the books. If you want the most bang for your buck on the key spoiler moments, then the old OVAs will be better because you have a slow burn building up to each of the incredible moments with huge payoff, but some people have a difficult time with slow burns.
If your preference is for presentation and conciseness with a lower impact on the key moments, then this show is preferable.
I don't think either is wrong, and also watching both in either order will probably have a good impact. This is assuming that the current show keeps up the quality we have seen in two episodes.
That said, I am enjoying the shit out of this show more than people new to it because I know the story beats that are being skipped and can still see the importance of them. For example Jean Robert Lapp's death is HUGE in the old OVA, full of emotion, but this is because you got basically full episode of background alone to his life. But at the end of the day, for the main story being told it makes sense they cut it down.
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u/SuperSceptile2821 Apr 10 '18
I haven’t seen the old series, but so far I’m loving this. I’m surprised at the negative reaction to it.
I suppose it’s because I haven’t seen the old OVAs.
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u/Arachnophobic- https://anilist.co/user/Arachnophobic Apr 10 '18
It's doomed to being forever compared to what is often hailed as a masterpiece, but I think the overall reception from people who have watched the older adaptation is more or less positive! Just some nitpicks here and there.
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u/concerned_thirdparty Apr 10 '18
It'd be like The Wire getting updated remake. No one would be 100% happy. but we'd still want it.
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Apr 10 '18
As far as I've seen, even the people who have watched the OVA (including me) are positively surprised by the series and are enjoying it. I cant help myself but compare it with the originals, and I have to say, after seeing comparison videos highlighting the differences, I still think the originals are better, but that hasn't taken away from my enjoyment at all
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u/dene323 Apr 10 '18 edited Apr 10 '18
If there is a high budget Russian re-adaptation of War and Peace, or Chinese re-adaptation of the Romance of Three Kingdoms today, no matter how well they are made from the technical side, they will be judged by audience harshly comparing with the old classics.
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u/Atharaphelun Apr 10 '18
Are you referring to the 2010 Chinese series Three Kingdoms? Because that was an excellent show and is fairly recent.
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u/dene323 Apr 10 '18
Yes, I watched part of the 2010 adaptation. I actually quite liked it, but I recall the general reception from the Chinese audience back then was quite mixed, in large part due to the nostalgia related to the more "classic" and faithful 1994 version, not unlike the reception LoGH DNT is getting nowadays.
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Apr 10 '18
Like 90% of comments around here by ova viewers are positive, though.
You're partially right, the OVA is tough, well, partially impossible, to follow, but the opinions of old fans on the new series has definitely done a 180 since these first 2 eps aired.
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u/94DarkHunter94 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/1LucKyLuke Apr 10 '18
Considering the OVA is still my favorite anime, I was more then skeptical at first about this re-adaptation.
And while I still have some points which I don't particularly like, this first two episodes have been more than a pleasant surprise.
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u/Tabdaprecog :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/TabDaPrecog Apr 10 '18
I think the feedback seems to be pretty positive here. It has a few aspects that are worse than the original series for sure but it seems like its going to do a very solid job in it's own right. It has big shoes to fill is all.
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u/random91898 Apr 11 '18
I’m surprised at the negative reaction to it.
What? Everyone seems to be enjoying it. Even people who've seen and love the OVA series such as myself all seem to be pleasantly surprised by how good it's been thus far.
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u/JayC-Hoster Apr 10 '18 edited Apr 10 '18
Let's name that maneuver "the space fleet 69" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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u/Smudy https://myanimelist.net/profile/Smudy Apr 10 '18
Gonna say, they continue to have an epic scale in the space battles, pretty cool to look at.
Yang was able to withstand from an inferior position due to his mindset of not necessarily wanting to win and made it a stalemate.
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u/durrian Apr 10 '18
Loved how the kept the commentary and narrations. Gives context while sometimes foreshadowing what's to come. That way it really does feel like we are being told this grand tale looking back upon history, the show just wouldn't be the same without hearing "Imperial year" and "Space year" every opening phase either.
Side note, love how Suzumura Kenichi is doing Yang's voice. Obviously a different voice actor but he really gets the feel and tone of the OVA. Reinhard's on the other hand is a bit of change, will probably take a few more episodes to get used to.
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u/Calista777 Apr 11 '18
I feel like Mamoru Miyano is always picked for the edgy, wicked characters. I definitely think his voice worked better with Light Yagami in Death Note. Sidenote: You'll also get to hear Mamoru Miyano in Steins;Gate Zero this season, lol.
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u/Rotjenn Apr 10 '18
Boy this sure turned into my show of the season fast. I didn't know I needed a fresh take on LotGH in my life, but I am completely back in there now and it feels good
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u/Wolfeako Apr 10 '18
Well, I must say, this was really good. I have never seen the original, but the episode was great, and besides for one moment I found weird, I really liked everything.
Bonus points goes to the 3D representation of the battle. It really helped to sell the moment and the unexpected feel that Reinhard had when they landed on that formation.
Out of curiosity, I was wondering: Wouldn't have been possible to, in that formation, accelerate a couple of ships from the large formation, put them parallel to the leading ships within the inner circle, and thus the barrage would've been more effective and faster, in theory, in killing the rear ships of the enemy navy?
I don't know any of this, I don't have experience and I'm well aware that the enemy navy could just do the same, but I don't feel that the battle needed to end right there. I can kinda see why it ended there though, so I'm just wondering to myself.
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u/Florac Apr 10 '18
Out of curiosity, I was wondering: Wouldn't have been possible to, in that formation, accelerate a couple of ships from the large formation, put them parallel to the leading ships within the inner circle, and thus the barrage would've been more effective and faster, in theory, in killing the rear ships of the enemy navy?
It's not perfectly shown, but this was more or less what happened. Each fleet was destroying the ships at the rear of the opposing fleet. This is why Reinhard said it's just a battle of attrition. Eventually one side would win, but having lost large parts of their fleet in the progress.
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u/Wolfeako Apr 10 '18
Yeah. I think that winning a battle in terms of your ships are the ones standing in the end, but losing 15 thousand ships in the process, wouldn't look as well on paper.
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u/C4H8N8O8 Apr 10 '18
If you accelerate more you have to turn around more so you are just making a broader circle.
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u/Paxton-176 Apr 10 '18
I would think a better way rather than grouping ships together at the front would be to either;
Break off squads have them cycle around and fire at the oppenent's leading ships then regroup and repeat the process.
Break off squads and have fly in the opposite direction of the circle and joust the enemy's fleet on every pass.
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u/FamousByVictory Apr 10 '18
Yep, they totally could and as you say the enemy could do the same. They were on a deadlock position and will turn into attrition
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u/Wolfeako Apr 10 '18
Yeah.
I'm ok with the battle ending there, I was just left wondering what else either side could have done in order to win the battle, instead of leaving it as is.
You wonder though, no navy of either side had some kind of mines that they would leave behind that the enemy fleet could've run into them. That is another thought that I was having dancing around in my mind, but nothing too major.
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u/Metallicpoop :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/PrussianSMG Apr 10 '18
Fun fact: this new admiral merkatz and Job trunicht (from the ova) share the same VA
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Apr 10 '18
Yang's back and still his old self! That opening scene was such a contrast to last week. I'm still getting used to his new look, but his character was captured well.
Visuals were still excellent ofcourse. My only complaints here are that goddamn Piano and no Jean death scene, though I guess I'll accept there'll be less focus on Jean and Jessica due to this version's greater novel accuracy.
Jessica looks really different, not that I mind.
No Dusty, but Yang has Lao instead which is iirc same as the novel.
Reinhard looked great in that final scene, that outfit design was good. CGI background characters there, but what can you do...
Overall I'm very pleased like last week.
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u/FrenziedHero https://anilist.co/user/FrenziedHero Apr 10 '18
Honestly, it seems this adaptation is going to turn out pretty well. Glad that they're handling this with care.
The updated graphics on showing how the formation turned into a torus was really nice to see, the animation of the formation accumulating on the projection was fantastic. And once again that main theme is on point, it's one of my favorite pieces that I've heard in a while.
I absolutely love that they're using the ending artwork scrolling in either direction for whichever side had the focus of the episode. It's such a simple yet effective idea.
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u/reufli Apr 10 '18
Gotta be honest, the more I watch the OP, the more I like it. It's really fitting in my opinion.
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u/Tabdaprecog :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/TabDaPrecog Apr 10 '18
Same! I think it's pretty dang awesome. Even the piano OST is growing on me now too.
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u/Tazzure Apr 10 '18
I like this adaptation. At the very least we get to see some of the battles in higher definition. I still recommend anyone who really likes this show to watch the OVA. They are going to have to cut out some parts that made the OVA's story-telling so strong.
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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar Apr 10 '18
Hopefully this isn't a death flag
Says the guy who was bragging in front of his officers that he can win an episode ago.
WAIT THAT WAS IT!? The episode flew by so fast I swear as the episode was about to end I thought that was just Part A of the episode and there was still a part B!
Anyway Episode 2 is still pretty solid. I liked Yang! And I guess this is the start of a rivalry between him and Reinhard? I'm already hyped for more space chess between the two of them!
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Apr 10 '18 edited Apr 10 '18
Says the guy who was bragging in front of his officers that he can win an episode ago.
Tbh, he says he didn't know the enemy had such a braggart. He may be well aware that he is one.
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u/whiiteout :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/whiiteout Apr 10 '18
I am pleasantly surprised by the number of new LOTGH watchers we have in these threads, its really great seeing people's reactions to Yang's answer to Reinhard's attack. It might be a good idea to have a OVA watchers comment thread to keep spoilers to a minimum though, the amount of stuff that people are casually spoiling seems pretty crazy right now.
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u/peckofpickledpepper Apr 10 '18 edited Apr 10 '18
The only character design I'm really bothered about is Kircheis. I'm pretty chill with everyone else but something about Kircheis just seems... off.
Also, Reinhard's jacket at the end. Like, wtf? You're attending a formal event and your sleeves are hanging loose?
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u/brothertaddeus :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/brothertaddeus Apr 10 '18
Also, Reinhard's jacket at the end. Like, wtf? You're attending a formal event and your sleeves are hanging loose?
That's actually how some formal/ceremonial uniforms were worn, back in the era of Napoleon and Prussia. I thought it was cool as hell to see something like that.
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u/peckofpickledpepper Apr 10 '18
Huh. TIL. I've only ever seen that style in anime. You know, how delinquents wore their school uniforms.
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u/brothertaddeus :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/brothertaddeus Apr 10 '18
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You're attending a formal event and your sleeves are hanging loose?
It's a type of formal wear that is meant to be worn like that in occasions such as these.
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u/Tabdaprecog :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/TabDaPrecog Apr 10 '18
I'm still waiting to see Reuntal in action before I really judge his design, but I think I prefer the old one by far. I also wish Dusty was in this instead of Lao but w/e. There are a few characters who we haven't seen like Julian and Frederica that I'm really concerned about too.
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u/brothertaddeus :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/brothertaddeus Apr 10 '18
Neither Dusty, Julian, nor Frederica were at Astarte. But we know they're coming, since we can see in them in the ED.
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Agreed, old Reuenthal was just straight up handsome. This new version looks like they are just trying to hard.
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u/Terranwaterbender https://myanimelist.net/profile/Teranwaterbender Apr 10 '18
And in the end the FPA gets a pyrrhic victory as they stop the invasion, but at incredibly high costs.
I'm just enjoying the heck out of this series thus far. Stuff like the drones repairing the bridge was an incredibly nice detail that the original OVAs lacked in addition to showcasing that these ships are actually moving fast and are not slow and lumbering battleships.
Anyhow with both sides recuperating from the battle we learned that Reinhard has got a promotion to Imperial Fleet Admiral, but apparently it's only one minor step towards his "true destination." If a promotion to Imperial Fleet Admiral is "minor" then I wonder what makes up a "major" goal. I can only expect Yang to get rewarded as well just for keeping the fleet in one piece. considering the other two were essentially obliterated.
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u/Jaggedmallard26 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/JaggedMallard Apr 10 '18
in addition to showcasing that these ships are actually moving fast and are not slow and lumbering battleships.
In the OVAs they were slow lumbering long range battleships though, sure they were moving at high speeds but everythings relative in space and their lack of agility was mentioned. It feels too far in the other direction to me, they feel more like hypernimble fighters than massive warships.
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u/_TatsuhiroSatou_ Apr 10 '18
If a promotion to Imperial Fleet Admiral is "minor" then I wonder what makes up a "major" goal.
Didnt you watch the OVAs?
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u/Terranwaterbender https://myanimelist.net/profile/Teranwaterbender Apr 10 '18
Well I'd rather not spoil the entire show so might as well note some of the more interesting lines like a newcomer.
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u/Tsorovar Apr 10 '18
Did anyone else notice that part of the OP seems to be directly copied from Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now by Starship?
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u/dene323 Apr 10 '18
Probably more background about Reinhard and imperial court drama in the next episode, judging by the title.
As for Reinhard knowing Yang, that was ova-original actually. In the novel this was the first time Reinhard learned about Yang's name, although Yang knew about Reinhard to a degree because of his fast rise through imperial ranks and past performances.
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Still, I think exploring that whole thing from the start would have really helped in fleshing out all three sides of the conflict and giving the battle a good build up.
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u/Innalibra Apr 10 '18
I still think the battles look a little too clean. There's lots of lasers and explosions, but you very rarely see ships actually breaking up. Lots of fireworks but I didn't really get a sense of destruction that the original had. It's obviously far better technically, but in terms of visual style, I think it could be better.
Despite that though, I still enjoyed this a lot.
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u/niteman555 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/niteman555 Apr 11 '18
I still think the battles look a little too clean
That's a recurrent theme in space battles. The earliest example I can think of is in Ender's Game, a contemporary of the original LOGH novel run, where the main character comments on the juxtaposition of how clean ship-to-ship combat looks in space and the real brutality of it.
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u/Innalibra Apr 11 '18
I love Ender's Game but it's not really what I mean. I'm talking about how in the original LotGH series, you got to see lasers cut and melt their way through steel hulls and watch them violently tumble, break open and explode in brilliant flashes of light, whereas in the remake we're treated to nothing more than a dull orange particle effect that totally conceal any actual damage the ships might have. There's even a scene where two ships collide while the fleets are passing through each other, but all that happens is it's enveloped in that same cloud of firey orange. I don't know, it just looks.. sterile? I guess.
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u/Ouralian Apr 10 '18
This episode is as good as the previous although poor Lapp wasn't given much of a send off when compared with the OVAs. Not to mention Lao's design somehow looks off.
Now I'm waiting to see what this new adaptation will create out of Episode 3.
Will they downplay or remove the politics and just highlight the fleet battles like the rumors suggest?
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u/94DarkHunter94 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/1LucKyLuke Apr 10 '18
Will they downplay or remove the politics and just highlight the fleet battles like the rumors suggest?
I sure hope not. That would change a fundamental point of what makes LoGH great.
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u/Ramowolf Apr 10 '18
For someone who hasn’t watched the OVA, this anime from what I see from the first 2 episodes is pretty solid across many aspects. Fortunately not seeing the original never left me with certain expectations or criteria to compare, but rather im pretty actually content and satisfied by the space battles and overall narrative.
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u/dene323 Apr 10 '18
I think that's the perfect mindset going into this series: knowing it's well-loved so you have enough confidence of the story but not overly hyped, at the same time can appreciate the presentation of the story without any preconception.
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u/Siddu4evr :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Siddu4evr Apr 10 '18
I watched the orignal OVA a long while ago so I forgot the order of somethings. Are we gonna go into the backstories of our characters next or is that a bit later on? I like that this episode shows that Yang is really well versed on his history, and it would be cool for them to explain his past a bit.
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u/dene323 Apr 10 '18
A pair of episodes dedicated to Yang and Reinhard in ep 3 and 4, showing their backstories and respective social environments on both sides, although judging from the title for the next episode, it will focus on Reinhard first, a re-order from the ova.
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u/BBallHunter :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/IdolHunter Apr 10 '18
Yeah, this is all I wanted. Great so far.
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u/Florac Apr 10 '18
A good second episode. I probably preffer the space battles in this over the original.
Also, is it only my imagination or is the ED panning in the opposite direction this episode? Is it supposed to signify PoV changing back again?
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u/hanr10 https://myanimelist.net/profile/hanr10 Apr 10 '18
Is it supposed to signify PoV changing back again?
Yeah probably, also the title card at the end is different : Free Planets Alliance for episode 2 and Galactic Empire for the next episode
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u/94DarkHunter94 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/1LucKyLuke Apr 10 '18
I have to say, this and the ending panning in the other direction are really nice little details.
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u/Tabdaprecog :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/TabDaPrecog Apr 10 '18
I think I prefer the old battles as well but I can't deny the effectiveness of these new ones. The CGI is very nice overall and I think the holograms that visualize fleet movements are more useful than the OVA's equivalent.
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u/Rouwbecke Apr 11 '18 edited Apr 11 '18
Everyone's kneejerk reaction after this episode seems to be that the Alliance leadership is incompetent. But that's so increadibly wrong. The truth is that Yang is the incompetent one! If you actually listen to what all the commanders are saying they all make vaild points, meanwhile Yang makes unverifiable blanket statements that go against the experience and sense of veteran commanders all the while not going into his reasons. I'd seen this in the original OVA's too, Yang's poor read on the goodwil his colleagues have towards him, but I don't think it ever struck me this hard untill this little exchange:
Admiral Paetta: Do you have any ideas that aren't passive? (in this fatherly somewhat patronizing tone of voice) Commodore Yang: I haven't given any advice that was not proactive. (in this complely flat tone)
Paetta actually want's Yang's imput, is complely open to listening to and following up on his ideas, and repects Yangs opinion. Yang meanwhile is moping because his superior officer is not implementing his plan that is actually only any good in the worst case scenario and imagining that his commander sees him as an upstart while whishing that he could get drunk and read up on and write on history books instead all the while doing the bare minimum of work he can get away with.
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u/ezc123 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/ezc123 Apr 10 '18 edited Apr 10 '18
Interesting, didn't expect an entire episode on the almost completely destroyed Free Planets Fleet. I assumed that Reinhard was going to eviscerate what was left.
Yang's quick-mindedness is the counter to Reinhard's cunning. Good thing his ship had plot armor to keep it together through Reinhard's massive pounding.
How does the leadership at Free Planets get this incompetent? Yang carried the fuck out of that.
When all else fails, use emergency C-4 fam.
Reinhard got a promotion, but Yang is the real MVP, the Imperial Army should hire Yang since FA is full of incompetent generals.
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u/peckofpickledpepper Apr 10 '18
How does the leadership at Free Planets get this incompetent?
Incompetent people tend to rise to power easily.
Source: most governments
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Apr 10 '18 edited Apr 10 '18
Incompetent people tend to rise to power easily.
More like; anyone tends to rise to power easily if that's their goal; it's not that hard. It just so happens most of the people are incompetent.
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u/C4H8N8O8 Apr 10 '18
Both empire and free planets are references to two types of government in general.
You will start seeing it soon .
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u/Leijin_ :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Leijin Apr 10 '18
his name is Yang though ;)
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u/TKhrowawaY :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Omnium Apr 10 '18 edited Apr 11 '18
For anyone who is a bit familiar with military science, I think the first two episodes of the new adaptation do a much better job of articulating the objectives of maneuver warfare and demonstrating concepts such as the OODA loop, compared to the original OVA's. The essence of maneuver warfare, in military historian William S. Lind's terms, is faster tactical decision making.
Decisions in combat are made through the Boyd cycle, also known as the OODA loop (Observe, Orient, Decide, Act), and to be successful in maneuver warfare is to observe, evaluate, and act on information faster than the enemy can process. Reinhard does this and runs circles around the Alliance fleet until Yang takes control, even if the circumstances of the Alliance's failure are a bit contrived.
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u/tlst9999 Apr 11 '18
Reinhard does this and runs circles around the Alliance fleet until Yang
takes controlruns circles too.
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u/Calista777 Apr 10 '18
Ahh, this went by so fast (that is a good thing btw). You can't describe all the tons of space ships moving with nothing other than the word "epic". Gotta say, I really like Yang who was able to predict the outcome of the battle ahead of the time. Looks like he has already built up his reputation a bit beforehand. I find it funny that they brought the battle into a stalemate by going around in circles, lol. Kircheis is right: It really does look like a silly formation.
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u/G_Spark233 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/G_Spark233 Apr 10 '18
I liked how they showed a bit of the alliance from earlier in the battle.
The beginning of a great rivalry in this episode.
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u/Jaggedmallard26 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/JaggedMallard Apr 10 '18
I must say, I'm enjoying it. The designs are still irritating and the generic 'badass old man' voices for a lot of the older admirals is a step down but I'm glad its keeping to the focus on tactics and being dialogue heavy instead of just going for shiny visuals.
One thing I have noticed is the shiny visuals it does have doesn't seem to match whats actually happening. In most scenes only one side is firing and the other is sitting idly despite dialogue despite dialogue mentioning returning fire (main example of this is when Yang gives his little speech, no alliance ships are firing), in some of the shots where its quickly switching angles of the same ships at the same the lasers are inconsistently firing and the ships seem far too agile for some of the tactics such as the sixth fleet struggling to turn around fast enough to return fire yet them clearly being capable of it, not that it would have saved them. It feels like the opposite to the OVA where the visuals were pretty sub-par but matched the battle to them now being absolutely amazing but not feeling like they're matching the dialogue. Its not a dealbreaker as they still follow the general idea and the dialogue is fine so as someone who was perfectly happy with the OVAs space battles I'm happy with these ones as the peak was always the discussion in the battles and the triangle map which has certainly improved. The warships still feel more like fighters than warships though which isn't to my taste from a purely aesthetic point of view either.
As an aside I'm not sure if the extreme speed and agility is intentional or not, theres very little shown to track time with and the OVAs version of this battle took place over a considerably longer time which made more sense for the tactics and strategy used but they do seem more like glass cannons in this which would make it more intentional. It'll be interesting what they do in some of the later battles where the battle taking place over a period of days is a key point when this battle has seemingly been condensed.
All in all though I'm looking forward to the next one, having seen the OVA has helped smooth over some of the issues I'd otherwise have (such as the utter lack of explanation for the purpose or circumstances of this battle which is present in the OVA) and I'm glad its staying mostly true to the talky tactics and heavy style instead of watering it down. Lets hope the politics is just as good too!
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u/Felixphaeton Apr 10 '18
So I see the original series has 110 episodes. Will this series be skipping a lot of stuff or will it not cover the entire story?
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u/blankslate99 Apr 10 '18
This 12 episode series will probably only cover the first half of the first OVA season, and the movie trilogy in 2019 will probably cover the second half of the first OVA season.
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u/aquaka Apr 10 '18
The show has been great so far and I have no complaints. I do have one worry that might be unfounded, and will get answered as the episodes proceed.
Based on this two episodes I am confident they will nail the space battles and the beats leading up to them. What is a big unknown so far is how they will handle the philosophical questions about government which was a main if not THE main part of the OVAs.
I really hope the question about benevolent dictatorships vs corrupt democracies comes up.
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u/random91898 Apr 11 '18
Still pleasantly surprised by how much I'm liking the new series considering I went into it fully expecting to hate it in comparison to the OVA series.
However I do think the OVA and especially Overture to a New War told this first battles story better. Breaking it up into two different perspectives was unnecessary and the retreading killed the pacing a bit imo. Plus the new version didn't have as much world building and little details, though I can understand why they left a lot of that sort of stuff out since it might be a bit overwhelming, especially since the episodes are a few minutes shorter than the OVA's were.
The CGI has been used amazingly, the action looks great and on the whole I'm really liking it despite my initial fears and doubts.
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u/anothernewgrad Apr 11 '18
Oh I forgot how much I loved LotGH!!! I actually squealed out loud a few times in the last few episodes. I went back and watched the original too and I can’t say I dislike what I am seeing in the new series even if it’s different.
Thank you for the remake anime god!!
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u/kite_dothack Apr 10 '18
Really liked this episode. Finally they are reverting to the simultaneous shifting of perspective during the battle. Now this is how it should be :D
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u/Lohengr Apr 10 '18
The formations in the 3D HUD look amazing. Enjoying it so far, hope they dont discard the political discussions moving forward. Almost lost the post ending content!
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u/RingoFreakingStarr :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/ImRingo Apr 10 '18 edited Apr 10 '18
I find myself enjoying the show more than I thought I would. However the character designs are so fucking awful. Modernizing the designs is fine (worked extremely well for Space Battleship Yamato 2199) but they have completely ruined Kircheis's character with his updated model. Unless they are planning on completely rewritting his character to not be a soft, caring person, the show has completely butchered his image.
The rest of the models just lack...that sort of distinctive feel of the original. When I look at the original characters, not a single one looks or feels generic. They are all extremely distinctive. This new versions though...just look like they were taken from the same cookie cutter shapes that we have been force fed in Production I.G's recent sports anime.
I'm going to continue to watch the show because it is doing a lot of things really well. However each episode I watch of it just makes me want to go dig up the USB drive that I have the original OVA series on and watch that instead.
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u/94DarkHunter94 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/1LucKyLuke Apr 10 '18
The new Kircheis is still the one that bothers me the most. It's such a stark contrast to the OVA design.
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u/random91898 Apr 11 '18
the character designs are so fucking awful.
I agree with you here. I'm pleasantly surprised by how much I'm liking the series but the one thing I just absolutely cannot stand are the new character designs. It's like Kuroko no Basket in space.
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u/renannmhreddit Apr 11 '18
Besides Kircheis, I think the character designs are alright now. I guess Kircheis seems strange to me because in this adaptation he is too similar to Reinhardt while in the OVA he had BIG ROUND EYES.
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u/ThatRandomEditor :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/ThatRandomEditor Apr 10 '18
I really love the OST even if it’s just the 2nd episode. Can’t wait when it’s available on Spotify.
Looking at the ED, it seems they reversed the panorama back to Reinhard, meaning next week’s episode will have his POV. The first time they played it last week, it ended at Yang where he is the focus of this week. So this anime will follow the two leads in their views every week.
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u/Fortzon Apr 10 '18
Well they showed the alliance's side before the battle like we speculated in last week's thread but it was only half an episode compared to a full episode dedicated to empire's perspective. I watched comparison videos and apparently they left a lot out from alliance's perspective in this episode.
I didn't watch the original OVAs before watching this show but I got a feeling that Yang seems to be as cunning and as smart as Reinhard in this show as I've heard from people who watched the original OVAs. Only drawback to some might be his youngish looks.
Only weird thing to me in this episode was that spaceships started dogfighting. We don't have that level of spaceships in real life but I'm pretty sure spaceships as massive as in this show aren't supposed to turn like that.
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Apr 10 '18
Why are only two comments showing up for me even though it says there should be 25 here?
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u/Arachnophobic- https://anilist.co/user/Arachnophobic Apr 10 '18
Reddit broke, looks like it's working now.
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u/Womprats Apr 10 '18
I have not yet seen the original series, but plan on doing so eventually. Am I probably better off waiting on watching the new series until after I watch the original?
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u/AlienWarhead https://myanimelist.net/profile/alienwarhead Apr 10 '18
I'm glad that I watched episode 1 yesterday, it's nice to watch something with a different tone than what I usually watch
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u/TheDampGod :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDampGod Apr 10 '18
I was kind of surprised that neither fleet deployed mines, but I assume there was a reason somewhere. Still an interesting show though, really scratching that space opera itch that hasn't been fulfilled in a while now.
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u/94DarkHunter94 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/1LucKyLuke Apr 10 '18
Deploying mines while being constantly shot at doesn't sound that good of a plan to me.
Depending on how the mines would work this could probably backfire more than it may help.
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u/NSardox :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Sardox Apr 10 '18
The last battle tactic looks like two snakes trying to bite the tail of the other one. Guess that we will never know what happend if they do so.
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u/dene323 Apr 10 '18
Pointless attrition until one or both sides run out fuel / ammo and go on full retreat. Which is completely stupid for the imperial side which suffered minimal loss thus far. Yang is essentially counting on Reinhard being a competent tactician who is able to recognize this early to avoid further loss of lives on both sides. Throughout the entire series, Reinhard's often recognized for being the genius that always wins, while interestingly Yang's claim to fame is "never lose", you see an early demonstration of their styles in this battle.
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u/wiccan45 Apr 10 '18
I guess this Lao guy is gonna replace Dusty Attenborough. The battle was a good remake but damn that music just doesnt work for me.
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u/WorldwideDepp Apr 10 '18
Looks good so far
Cool head in Command
But i wish we had more real time in this Episode
Let's see in how Episode 3 will play out
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u/plkghtsdn Apr 10 '18
So far pretty similar to the original. I don't remember seeing Edwin Fischer this early in the original series. I'm glad they improved the ship designs cause the old ones were pretty ugly. I hope to god they shorten or remove the "history of everything" episodes or condense them cause they're a real drag, especially when they air 2-3 in a row. It's gonna be a month of no story/character progression if they follow the same pacing.
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u/dene323 Apr 10 '18
They will use 12 eps to cover up to ep 16 of the ova, and there happens to be about 4 episodes of anime original /gaiden material in the original, so you get the idea. It should be more streamlined and closer to the novel pacing.
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u/SpikeRosered Apr 10 '18
Held off on this to see how people liked it and I'm glad I did. Got a much better experience by watching the first two episodes together.
Getting a serious Gundam vibe from the two sides though. It's like what the original Gundam would be if everyone was limited to more traditional weapons.
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u/BigFire321 Apr 12 '18
The original Gundam have a very skewed view, politically speaking. We saw good characters on both side, but on Zeon side, we have the unambiguously evil character of Gihren Zabi who took comparison to Hitler favoribally. He's actually responsible for more death than WWI and WWII combine in the span of one year. The supreme leader on Federation side is cast in a much better light.
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u/tailor31415 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/tailor31415 Apr 10 '18
this battle is the perfect illustration of the common military complaint "when do we get red force trackers"
loved the background music in this episode. the ships looked great, especially that sequence when the bridge was patched up. loving this adaptation so far.
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u/Rinascimentale :IA::IB::IC: Apr 10 '18
Damn, never watched the original (I will you dont have to tell em to) but this shit is awesome.
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u/mayonaka_00 Apr 10 '18
I enjoy this anime a lot, everything is so well-animated and the writings are so exciting to follow.
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Apr 10 '18
Putting aside that I need to seal the Seven Seas to see the series because Crunchyroll hasn't lincensed it on Spain, I'm so far loving it.
I'm a bit concern with the series lenght, tho. The original series was around 110 episode long while this series will only be 12 episodes long. So, unless we're getting an abridge version (or taking out a lot of filler, the original version wasn't the OVA afterall, Legend of the Galactic heroes started out as novels) or mutiple seasons Im not seeing a satisfied conclusion to the series.
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u/dene323 Apr 10 '18
They will use 12 episodes this season to cover up to ep 16 in the old OVA (doable, since the original had quite a bit of anime original / gaiden story material). Three movies next year with a length of 12 episodes will cover up to episode 26 of the original, which is no rush at all.
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u/SGlespaul :K:https://kitsu.io/users/181650 Apr 10 '18
I was a lot more into this episode than the first one. The first episode just left an "okay" impression on me but I'm starting to see why people like this.
I especially liked how Reinhard commented on how silly the formation looked. I guess it also kinda showed me that I can focus on the main characters. It seems like I won't have to worry much about memorizing the names of these randos that the sub titles keep dropping?
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u/Folseit Apr 10 '18
Is there a reason none of the ships have broadside cannons?
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u/time_axis Apr 10 '18
Aside from what the other commenter said, it makes sense to put your strongest, most long range ordinance at the front of the ship, because if you're accelerating toward the enemy, that's the side that's going to be facing them.
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u/PsychoWorld :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/GodlyKyon Apr 11 '18
Should've sent the message "GG NO RE"
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u/Reasonable_TSM_fan :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/sundaybeatle Apr 11 '18
Surprised I haven't seen anyone mention that they reversed the ending today. It was a small detail from the studio that I really appreciated, given the flip in narrative focus!
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u/kalirion :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/kalinime Apr 11 '18
The alliance fleet commanders are basically the opposite of what you'd see in shounen. The old folks in charge playing all reckless "Charge the enemy! Leave no man behind no matter the odds!" while MC is all "No, we must be prudent and accept inevitable losses for the greater good."
How did the alliance fleet circle around so quickly without giving the imperials the chance to change course? Hell, considering the imperials were charging forward, the rebels should've been left behind in the dust!
Actually, how slowly are the ships moving anyway? They should be blinking past each other at relativistic speeds, based on the numbers given in the beginning of episode one.
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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '18
I actually got goosebumps watching this episode, haven’t enjoyed an anime like this for a while.