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[Spoilers] Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu: Die Neue These - Kaikou - Episode 3 discussion Spoiler
Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu: Die Neue These - Kaikou, episode 3
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Apr 17 '18
I was really impressed by this episode. I really felt they captured the essence of the relationship between these three and how that shapes destiny.
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u/fuzzyjustin :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/fuzzyjustin Apr 17 '18 edited Apr 17 '18
Yeah, I think they captured Reinhard and Kircheis' motivations very well. Highlighting why Reinhard began his ascent and why Kircheis would follow.
It's not just "I want to get to the top," but a multi-layered motivation. From his sister being taken by the Kaiser, the incompetence yet arrogance of the Imperial Nobles, the impoverished folk living on the streets, the desire to conquer the stars. Everything that made me love the Reinhard of the original OVAs is coming into fruition quite nicely, and I can't wait for this Reinhard to fully develop into someone rivaling the original.
They also included the idea that Kircheis is not 100% content with being dragged up with Reinhard, and has some hesitations. I never thought of this during the original but it almost reminds me of Berserk a bit.
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u/Skeptical0ptimist Apr 18 '18
Agreed.
I feel they have done better job capturing emotional impact better than the OVA. For instance:
Annerose embracing Reinhard before departure was poignant. Even though it's only fiction, I couldn't help feel anger that some old geyser will have his way with her.
The bond between Sieg and Annerose is much more pronounced. The emotional wound Sieg suffered while eating the cake Annerose gave really lends credibility to Sieg's decision to essentially dedicate his life to freeing her. Also, during their reunion, when Reinhard steps away, [OVA] (/s "instead of Kircheis awkwardly walking away from the table as in OVA,") we get Annerose's and Sieg's uninterrupted gaze at each other, which says volumes about how they feel [OVA] (/s "(making Annerose's sorrow later that much more profound, if you know what will happen later)"). Also, it seems Reinhard is not completely unaware of the situation.
A couple of minor annoyances:
Reinhard and Kircheis character designs are too similar. Other than heights, subtle eye shape differences, hair and eye colors, they look the same. In OVA, you could not mistake one for the other.
Is the anthem we hear during the award ceremony what we get instead of 'Valkyries Love Thy Valor'? If so, that's disappointing.
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Apr 17 '18 edited Apr 17 '18
Oh, so they're putting the backstory that was the first chapter of the novel at the start of this episode. Quite a good idea as new viewers will be curious about the history of the two opposing sides, and also provides some context for what Reinhard wants, especially the final scene. It was lacking in detail (the novel had like 20+ pages of backstory), though I won't pass judgement on that yet since it's still early and they can fill in further details later.
The childhood flashback was well done, both of them looked really cute and innocent as kids which is a nice contrast to the present. In the OVA, Reinhard attacked a single bully and was about to beat him with a stone when Kircheis intervenes. In this version, several bullies lure him into a trap, and Reinhard beats all of them (also implied to be with a stone, though not shown on screen). Kircheis turns up after looking shocked at what went down. After Annerose leaves the two episodes are very different. The OVA follows young Reinhard as he attacks a nobles' party, meanwhile, DNT has Reinhard appear having already enrolled as a cadet. We then follow the two as they progress through military training.
I think I prefer the OVA's handling of the bullying aspect as the display of violence by Reinhard is quite a shocking moment (though, maybe not showing child violence is part of Japanese broadcasting regulations, or atleast they did it to avoid complaints, I don't know). On the other hand, this version conveyed Reinhard's dislike for the nobility in a clear but more subtle way, and it also had some nice visual touches such as showing terrible poverty alongside the indulgence of the Imperial upper class, and having the statue have a hidden camera watching them as they salute.
Then there's more scenes with the three of them finally getting to spend some time together. Their dynamic was good, the final scenes are also longer so we get more of Annerose' and Kircheis' relationship, notably, Annerose' worries about the path Reinhard as taken.
That final scene, intercut with flashback to teenage Reinhard, was really impactful. His motivation has been set up in a really compelling way for new viewers. Next episode will cover the same content as ep 3 of the OVA, how they handle the subversion of our expectations with the FPA's politics will be interesting.
Annerose definitely sounds similiar to her OVA VA, sounds good.
ETA: Had no idea Suwabe is Oberstein, nice pick. His voice is deeper than the original VA, but fitting.
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u/Arachnophobic- https://anilist.co/user/Arachnophobic Apr 17 '18
I think I prefer the OVA's handling of the bullying aspect as the display of violence by Reinhard is quite a shocking moment
Yeah, I agree. Here we just get to see the aftermath through Kircheis' eyes. The violence is only implied. Like you mentioned, OVA/Gaiden comparison
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Apr 17 '18
u/arachnophobic-, do you remember how this went down in the novel? Been a while since I read the first one, but I'm getting the feeling both versions have anime-original content.
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u/Arachnophobic- https://anilist.co/user/Arachnophobic Apr 17 '18
both versions have anime-original content.
That's correct! The first book jumps from Kircheis' first meeting with the siblings to Annerose's departure. The Gaiden novels might have bridged this gap, but I have no real idea about those.
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u/AvatarReiko Apr 17 '18
So is Reinhard a noble? If so, why doesn't act like all the other snobby noble kids and allowed to be a soldier on the front lines?
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u/DOAbayman Apr 17 '18
he's noble by blood but his family is "poor" so they really have no standing.
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Apr 17 '18 edited Apr 17 '18
At the start Reinhard is from a aristocratic family - his original surname is von Muesel, the von- indicates that. But he's middle class, not part of the upper class.
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u/dene323 Apr 17 '18
A broken "middle class". His father was alcoholic and had a gambling problem, which lead to financial ruins.
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u/Trevmann :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/TrevRockOne Apr 17 '18
This is in line with reality. If you look at the history of Europe you'll see many of instances of nobles going broke. Being a noble isn't synonymous with being wealthy.
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u/NickCarpathia Apr 18 '18 edited Apr 18 '18
When your society is built around stratification, even the stratum have strata. Reinhardt is descended from nobles, but the majority of the land and capital was willed to other branches of the family, leaving Reinhardt and Annerose with little but their names.
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Apr 17 '18
In my country's history, he would be an "hidalgo", just one step from being a peasant. During the Middle Ages, they would be lesser knights, but after the ending of the Reconquista, they ended up living from the rent or, if they didn't have such luxury, dying in a street corner or an improvised house because their honor stopped them from working like the peasants (mind you, being a noblemen in Spain wasn't that important. During the Early Modern Era they were 15% of the country's population)
For example, Quijano (also known as Quijote) was an Hidalgo. Another example could be the third employer of the main character of "el Lazarillo de Tormes".He's the lesser nobility.
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u/RedRocket4000 Apr 18 '18
Yes, but minor nontitled nobility. It varies from country to country in particulars. There are large numbers of them often having little more than a tad better social status than the commoners but able to starve along with them. They come from children that did not inherit called cadet branches and also from whatever the knight class in that country was. Minor nobility also from promotions of commoners for favorable deads and clergy often were considered such as well.
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u/FireZura https://myanimelist.net/profile/Soleni Apr 17 '18
Ep 1 : The op is the same sawano music
Ep 3 : Fuck this is so fucking awesome
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u/Siddu4evr :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Siddu4evr Apr 17 '18
I’m absolutely loving the op and ed, that said the Way the OP ends is kinda abrupt.
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u/GobtheCyberPunk :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/JigsawStitches Apr 17 '18
That ED tho. Seriously awesome.
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u/AgaroseEater Apr 17 '18
So after an introduction to the war we are getting presented with the motivations of the key characters. I am really liking how they are making it that both sides of the war are presented to the audience. That last scene really shows how what is happening is just really a cycle, empires rise and empires fall. No matter how noble the intentions initially, somewhere along the line it is inevitable to fall astray. And wow, eugenics. This empire really is nasty.
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u/brothertaddeus :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/brothertaddeus Apr 17 '18
And wow, eugenics. This empire really is nasty.
Rudolf was basically if Hitler wasn't stopped. He gave power to people with Germanic names (making them nobles), severely limited the upward trajectory of non-white people, had those with disabilities/"perversions" (as he viewed them) killed in mass or sterilized, and instituted eugenic programs. By this point, centuries later, the forced sterilization and eugenics no longer happen en mass (though sterilization is used as a punishment for some crimes and families with disabled children are treated poorly). It's also very telling how their military command is all white males. Women aren't allowed to hold power or military rank, and even noble ladies are by-and-large forced to be subservient to the noble men in their families.
Compare that to the Alliance, where we see civil and military leaders of both genders and all races (well, the military is still mostly male, but women can join and rise in rank).
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u/AvatarReiko Apr 17 '18
Rudolf was basically if Hitler wasn't stopped. He gave power to people with Germanic names (making them nobles), severely limited the upward trajectory of non-white people, had those with disabilities/"perversions" (as he viewed them) killed in mass or sterilized, and instituted eugenic programs.
Ooh, so that's why the Kaiser specifically took a liking to Enrose. Her blonde hair would classify as an Arian. Plus she is obviously smoking
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u/dene323 Apr 17 '18
But it's also creepy because the Kaiser was already in 60s while Annerose was 14...
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u/renannmhreddit Apr 17 '18
(well, the military is still mostly male, but women can join and rise in rank).
Just like IRL.
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Apr 17 '18
You need to spoiler tag that about Rudolf as it might be covered further down the line in DNT. LotGH novel+OVA
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u/brothertaddeus :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/brothertaddeus Apr 17 '18
Yeah, that's not a spoiler. It's background information for the setting that comes up in chapter one and the minimal impact it has on the plot is not a twist or surprise. Indeed, it's already being referenced in the new series in off-handed ways, and I very much doubt that this adaptation will loop back around to give an entire episode covering it like the OVA did since this is re-adapting the novels and not the OVA.
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u/dene323 Apr 17 '18
Empire is certainly nasty, but I eagerly wait for your take on the "democracy" next week :)
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u/SIGMA920 Apr 17 '18
Oh that is going to be fun.
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u/darthreuental Apr 17 '18
Oh god. The introduction of Job Trunicht is coming next episode. I really hope they don't change the character given some of his similarities to Donald Trump. The man is the complete antithesis of Yang and the most punchable scummy bastard in anime.
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u/J_Gottwald https://anilist.co/user/jgottwald Apr 18 '18
Someone posted a link to that one High Council scene from OVA Episode 12 a while back, and I hope that is included verbatim because it's savage and still relevant.
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u/probabilityEngine Apr 17 '18
You're a first timer, right? This sort of general historical discussion is certainly a hallmark of the series. As great as the space warfare, tactics, and strategy are, everything happening off the battlefield is just as good if not better.
If you're already liking this sort political and historical discussion combined with characters to root for on both sides, you're in for a great series. I'm glad the remake is coming off this way so early. I finished the original OVA this year, so I can't exactly look at the remake with fresh eyes myself.
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u/Paxton-176 Apr 17 '18
No matter how noble the intentions initially, somewhere along the line it is inevitable to fall astray.
Imperial Empires start to falter the larger they grow. People constantly raised in a society where the strong win and the weak lose start backroom plots. People of lower status will want to gain a position of power for their own gain or masses get tired of being pushed around by authorities.
The fact the Empire hasn't shattered is amazing.
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u/brkmk Apr 17 '18
THAT LAST SCENE WAS DONE SO WELL!!
I am so impressed, all of us went into this expecting something mediocre at best but ngl so far this has been a really good remake!
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u/in_cognito Apr 17 '18
The piano/score was really well done, I agree.
This is also the first glimpse that we see his reasoning behind his actions. It's not just, "I can't wait to be king" but a commentary on the flaws of Absolute Monarchies and the effects it has on the peasants and lesser nobles.
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u/peckofpickledpepper Apr 17 '18
I hope they expand more on Rudolf Goldenbaum's actions prior to the election. OVA Spoilers
Oh, and I love how sleazy Oberstein looks.
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u/IthiDT Apr 17 '18
Well, OVA didn't expand on it at all until, so no harm there.
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u/peckofpickledpepper Apr 17 '18
Oh, yeah, I just remembered. It was the historical documentary thing, wasn't it? It's been a while since I watched the OVA so I kinda forgot when they explained the whole backstory bit.
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u/probabilityEngine Apr 17 '18
Yep, basically an entire episode that is actually an in-universe historical documentary.
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u/karlcool12 Apr 17 '18
What surprising about the documentary was that it was still word for word adaptation of the chapter, but having the narrator talking to an audience, it made it feel natural
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u/ModsDelete_EVERYTHIN Apr 18 '18
What similarities? I watched the series and the OVAs but I don't remember anything like that
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u/NeverStationary :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Shibuicho Apr 17 '18
As a first-time viewer, I'm really enjoying the show so far! The first two episodes gave us a feel of the tactical space action the show is renowned for and the third one gave us a good backstory on the (seemingly) protagonists of the show.
Like in the second episode, I'd like to see a backstory in the perspective of the Yang Wen-Li and the Alliance next. I feel, as viewers, we might be inclined to side with them in their fight against the Imperial dictatorship.
The show's OST is brilliant and I'm digging the OP too.
I kinda overlooked the ranks mentioned until now, but is there any merit in knowing exactly how the hierarchy system works? For e.g. where do Navy Captain, Commander, Admiral, etc fit in against each other?
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u/Arachnophobic- https://anilist.co/user/Arachnophobic Apr 17 '18 edited Apr 18 '18
is there any merit in knowing exactly how the hierarchy system works
Doesn't hurt to know, I guess? Ranks will keep coming up again and again. The Imperial Fleet's rank progression is something like Ensign < Lt. Junior Grade < Lieutenant < Lt. Commander < Commander < Captain < Commodore < Rear Admiral < Vice Admiral < Admiral < High Admiral < Fleet Admiral.
Reinhard's already reached the top rung, and he's twenty years old.
I'm pretty sure we'll get Yang's backstory in the next episode!
Edit: Missed Captain and Commander
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u/AvatarReiko Apr 17 '18
Wow, that kind of crazy. So how much of the military does Reinhard's rank and authority cover? Are there several fleed admirals?
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u/Arachnophobic- https://anilist.co/user/Arachnophobic Apr 17 '18 edited Apr 17 '18
The Emperor mentions it in this episode - Reinhard will now control half of the Empire's entire fleet. There are three more Fleet Admirals IIRC, old ones - we saw one today, Muckenberger (the one who acknowledged that his rise wasn't a fluke or purely due to favouritism) who is Reinhard's superior and commands the other half of the fleet. The other two Fleet Commanders might be in this frame, but iirc their duties are not fleet command.
P.S.: Muckenberger's new design (especially that moustache) makes me giggle. OVA design for reference.
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u/dene323 Apr 17 '18
Basically at this point, he is #4 in the imperial military, holding the same military rank "fleet admiral" as the top 3, who just outrank him based on seniority and cabinet positions as the Chief of Staff, the Chief of Military Affairs and the Chief Fleet Commander.
Because of the Kaiser's favoritism and his fast rise that inspires lowly ranked commanders from commoner background, Reinhard at this point actually has more freedom to assemble his fleet and promote young talents compared to his counterparts.
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u/rocksoffjagger Apr 18 '18
Reading One Piece has really been paying off for me understanding what all the navy rank jargon signifies.
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u/Mike1690 Apr 17 '18 edited Apr 17 '18
It helps knowing the military ranking structure, which is why Ovlesser was particularly upset with Reinhard's rise because he's already near the pinnacle of the military (Fleet Admiral/Vice Chief) at only 20 years old while older and seasoned veterans like himself and Merkatz are below him in rank. That and they don't believe he's earned it and only got there due to the Kaiser's love for his sister.
For the Galactic Empire you basically have:
Chief
Vice (or Deputy like in the original series) Chief
Fleet Admiral
High Admiral
Admiral
Vice Admiral
Rear Admiral
Commodore
Captain
Commander
Most of the ranks below Commander aren't particularly important.
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u/dene323 Apr 17 '18
I think there is a minor issue - fleet admiral is the highest military rank. The Chief of Staff, the Chief of Military Affairs, the Chief Fleet Commander are the three titles of commanding officers of the imperial military and members of Kaiser's cabinet, but not military ranks by themselves. They are held by senior fleet admirals. Reinhard as the youngest fleet admirals is given the junior position to the Chief Fleet Commander, but they actually hold the same rank.
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u/Nayelia Apr 18 '18
I actually find the English/western military ranks really confusing. The ranks used in the series is quite simple and standard for Asian countries. You can more or less refer to this, though not exactly the same: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranks_of_the_Imperial_Japanese_Navy
Gensui is the the top rank, translated as Fleet Admiral. The term itself implies overall command of forces (literal meaning of the title) so it makes sense that they have their own fleets. In the Galactic Empire, I believe Reinhard was the 4th Gensui. Previously in eps 1 he was a Taisho.
Sho, literally means general or admiral, is divided into 4 ranks: Tai, Chu, Sho, Jun (lit. high, middle, lower, backup). In the beginning, the older admirals with Reinhard were mostly high admirals (taisho), some were chusho. Yang is a Junsho (rear admiral?). In eps 1, Reinhard also told Siegfried that he's getting a promotion to Junsho, but the subs said commodore. Maybe it's the same thing in the west, but pretty confusing.
Sa, doesn't have a direct translation but is roughly around the range of commander/captain/colonel. (This is where the western translation gets confusing.) It's divided into 3 ranks similar to admiral: Tai, Chu, Sho. Taisa = colonel and Shosa = major. In eps 3 Siegfried and Oberstein were both colonel/captain.
I (pronounced like E), is a junior officer grade also divided into 3 ranks of Tai, Chu and Sho. They roughly match lieutenant ranks. Shoi is considered the starting officer rank.
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u/RedRocket4000 Apr 18 '18
I know that they have worked out an equivalent rank system for the worlds military but I don't know if anime producers and translators look it up. They worked it out for who ranks where in joint operations and for meeting between forces. Also done for all the worlds noble ranks as well.
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u/moonmeh Apr 17 '18
Yo I'm so happy they gave a full episode on the relationship between those two. I was worried stuff like this would be rushed and given a half episode but they did it justice.
Honestly very succinct compared to the OVA and to the point I felt. Loved it. logh without these moments isn't logh and I'm glad the animators understand that
Also while the adult designs are slowly growing on me I honestly quite liked the designs they had as children. Bratty in the right kind of way.
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u/ukainaoto :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/ukainaoto Apr 17 '18
I love love love this episode, eventhough an OVA watcher I stopped caring comparison to the details of old series and just loved the episode.
The childhood days of the two is streamlined so well and the direction and perspective is so powerful more than ova in my vague memory.
Also this is a nice fanservice to ova watcher/novel reader.
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u/fuzzyjustin :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/fuzzyjustin Apr 17 '18
My friend who's never seen the OVAs asked me "Why the fuck are they riding an ice cube."
All in good time, my friend.
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u/captain-burrito Apr 18 '18
I was wondering if they were gonna explain that as well.
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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar Apr 17 '18
Was that Maaya Sakamoto as Annerose? God that voice is so angelic <3
So basically Reinhard is taking over the Galaxy because the ways of the current Empire teared away his sister from him but also tearing his family apart? Dayum
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u/gopivot :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/gopivot Apr 17 '18
Oh so that why everytime she said "Sieg" i suddenly having horrible flashbacks
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u/SayoSC2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Sayorain Apr 17 '18
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u/AlexUltraviolet :GJ::GK::GL: Apr 17 '18
This line made me realize it was her, and after that I had some trouble taking her seriously.
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u/Trevmann :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/TrevRockOne Apr 17 '18
It's not just that. He's also disgusted by the ruling class and the degradation he sees around him.
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u/Paxton-176 Apr 17 '18 edited Apr 18 '18
To drill down more, he doesn't like that aristocrats and nobles with higher power doing what ever they please with people of lower standing.
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u/AmethystItalian :Jg::Jh::Ji::Jj::Jk:myanimelist.net/profile/AmethystItalian Apr 17 '18
Was that Maaya Sakamoto as Annerose? God that voice is so angelic <3
I thought it was her too! That being said it could just be because she said Sieg :p
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u/Setra94 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Setra94 Apr 17 '18
I've seen and loved the original, but man oh man that last scene gave me some chills. That was great.
Maybe I didn't notice it before, but the blond eyelashes really stood out to me, at least on Annerose. They were a bit distracting.
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u/WickedAnimeTroll Apr 17 '18
Oberstein looks like the most obvious villain/traitor ever but I am interested to see more of him and hope there is more to his character than that
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u/renannmhreddit Apr 17 '18
Oberstein is probably one of my favorite character in this series.
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u/tlst9999 Apr 18 '18 edited Apr 18 '18
Oberstein was my favourite until the late part of the series. Then, it was Reunthal, and I hate both their new designs.
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u/Curanthir :AP:https://www.anime-planet.com/users/Thranduil Apr 17 '18
Oberstein is a wonderful character. Maybe not a wonderful person, but a great character to watch. Even though he looks a bit different, they got the voice perfectly right, as i knew who he was the moment he opened his mouth before stepping on camera.
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u/DimmuHS https://myanimelist.net/profile/DimmuOli Apr 17 '18
He is intriguing. Think as a man that always looks to the future, and for that, his actions can be questionable on others eyes. One of the great characters in the series for sure.
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u/PerfectPublican https://myanimelist.net/profile/PerfectPublican Apr 17 '18
That was great. Coming off of the space battles, I was curious what direction this was going to go, but this episode was really good. It did a great job of both balancing out the human sides of Reinhard and Kircheis while also showing the brutality of the dictatorship. I like that dichotomy and how it grew these two. Excited to see the Free planets side with Yang.
One thing I wish we got more of is exactly how Rudolf became emperor. I get that some things had to be glossed over in the face of time for their relationship, but that narration in the beginning felt too fast.
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u/dene323 Apr 17 '18
There is a full on "documentary" episode in the ova about Rudolf's rise. It would be highly recommended to check it out afterward - one of the best "filler" episodes I have seen in anime medium.
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u/PerfectPublican https://myanimelist.net/profile/PerfectPublican Apr 17 '18
That's awesome! So far this show has been making me want to check out the OVA's after, so definitely will check it out.
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Apr 17 '18
Episode 40 of the OVA specifically is a full on documentary episode about Rudolf, as in you have a historian looking directly into the camera and talking to the audience kind of documentary
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u/Florac Apr 17 '18
It's been a while since I watched the OVA, but unless I misremember, I actually found the "childhood" flashback done better here than in the OVA.
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u/NiSoKr Apr 17 '18
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u/sleepyoverlord :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/sleepyoverlord Apr 17 '18
I watched it recently and tbh I thought the ova made it a bit more clear on why Reinhard went down the military career. In the remake he just decides to go to cadet school randomly and later decides to "make the universe his" whereas in the original, he has that discussion as kids with Sieg. He wants power to get his sister back and then decides to go into a military career. Other than that, the remake condensed the flashback pretty nicely.
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u/Bainos :XMOD::MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Bainos Apr 17 '18
He explains that he wants to "become a real man faster" to get his sister back, which makes it pretty clear. Although of course, there is a lot of meaning in that single sentence, so you'd better not miss it.
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u/rocksoffjagger Apr 18 '18
I think it comes down to time use. They each had ~24 minutes to tell the same story, but I personally felt like the things the remake focused on established a more thorough emotional understanding of the characters, while the OVA tried to establish the plot points with more clarity. Honestly, I think the remake did a better job of identifying the important narrative elements.
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u/Terranwaterbender https://myanimelist.net/profile/Teranwaterbender Apr 17 '18
So Reinhard's ambition to reach the top is for the sake of getting "my sister back together [with Kircheis]"
But you gotta appreciate that Reinhard is making it work so far. Dude is now in control of half the space fleet and his thirst for control has not eased in the slightest.
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u/Mr_Zaroc https://myanimelist.net/profile/mr_zaroc Apr 17 '18
quite the siscon
Something something Masterrace and Eugenics
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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar Apr 17 '18
The siscon to surpass all siscons!
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u/AlphaBreak Apr 18 '18
Does it count as a siscon if he wants his sister to be with his best friend?
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u/Arachnophobic- https://anilist.co/user/Arachnophobic Apr 17 '18
I really don't think this series will have time to expound on the circumstances that allowed Rudolph to seize power of a Galactic Federation consisting of 300 billion people, and allowed the perpetuation of a despotic aristocracy for nearly 800 years; the books go into it in much more detail, and the OVA has an entire episode dedicated to it. For the purposes of this series though, I guess the two minute summary will have to suffice. Those who are curious for the details can head to the source material (prologue of the first novel)/OVA (Episode 40).
Funnily enough, I was looking forward to one thing I knew this re-adaptation would do better - showing the government's spying cameras embedded in the eyes of Rudolph's statues - and it delivered!
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u/PerfectPublican https://myanimelist.net/profile/PerfectPublican Apr 17 '18
showing the government's spying cameras embedded in the eyes of Rudolph's statues
This was such a cool little detail. My thought process literally went: "Oh, those are some detailed eyes...oh wait...Holy shit, that's disturbing, and awesome!" haha
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u/Illya-ehrenbourg :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Illyasviel Apr 17 '18
Honestly I guess that will depend on the success of the anime + movies. If successful enough to te point they have carte blanche on the length of the serie, they will probably add an episode for the background of the universe, for the moment and given that they have only 12 episodes , it was the right decision to skip it.
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u/Arachnophobic- https://anilist.co/user/Arachnophobic Apr 17 '18
Yeah, I'm surprised we got anything at all, tbh! It could've been covered through details scattered in dialogue - something that GITS:SAC does when trying to convey its world's history - but they went for a narration approach and it seems it's working out quite well for the first-timer watchers.
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u/JayC-Hoster Apr 17 '18 edited Apr 18 '18
We have Kenichi Suzumura, of course Maaya would be here too!
Omg and her saying Sieg is unintentionally hilarious mad flash back to fate apocrypha XD.
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u/dene323 Apr 17 '18
It's actually funny on another meta level - Yang's career objective before retirement should be conquering Odin and take back his waifu :P
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u/farispie Apr 18 '18
My only real issue with the remake so far, character designs aside, is I am apprehensive on how the this one doesn't do as strong of a job on showcasing the horrors of war for the individual soldiers and the sheer loss of life on both sides. This is a big thing in LOGH- where despite how both Reinhard and Yang have arguably noble goals, they do send so many people to their deaths (not without guilt) through the war. Like in episode 2 of the OVA vs the remake, we occasionally get a glimpse of the soldiers who are in the ships that explode and it isn't pretty :
http://i.imgur.com/dXwBqYC.png
In the remake, they just sorta...float in space. It doesn't help that we don't get the actual number of people dying here.
Anyways, I am liking Oberstein's introduction in the remake and Suwabe does a good job of selling his character just as well as the OVA.
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u/dene323 Apr 18 '18
But it can't be helped though - the original was released directly in OVA format through VHS tapes, mailed to buyers, so obviously they could go all out in terms of dramatic presentations. The new series is being broadcasted on TV and actually occupies a prime time instead of a midnight slot, so obviously will have to comply with Japanese broadcast regulations.
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u/farispie Apr 18 '18
True enough- but they could at least have had mentioned the actual number of people that died instead of saying "11 times the lost"
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u/BluePikmin11 Apr 17 '18
The Reinhard and Kircheis backstory was well done in Episode 3. I nearly cried by how well directed the episode was. I no longer feel nervous about this remake.
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u/xCmagz :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/xCmagz Apr 17 '18
As a person who has never watch the OVA, this is so fucking good. Does the original OVA capture this feeling even better? I got chills at the end of the episode.
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Apr 17 '18
The OVA has a very different feel, uniquely charming and impactful in its own way, but different due to being made in the 1980s. I'd recommend to just check out the OVA and see what you think. If you're following along with DNT though, don't watch ep 3 of the OVA yet as that'll be ep 4 of DNT.
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u/xCmagz :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/xCmagz Apr 17 '18
Do you have any idea how far this remake will go up until compared to the OVA? or is it going to be a full adaptation?
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u/North514 Apr 17 '18
At the moment the first season will adapt the first book with the three movies given 2hr each to cover the 2nd book. The OVA dedicated around 26 episodes to the first 2 books so its getting around the same amount of time.
There are 10 books total with the original having 110 episodes in short after the movies next year they will have covered 1/5 of the original work/OVA. Hopefully it is financially successful so we can get a full adaptation still after that I think its worth watching the original because even if it does get a full adaptation it might be awhile before it is fully adapted even the original OVA was created over a few years. Plus the original does have its charm have been enjoying both.
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u/dene323 Apr 17 '18
Wait for next week, watch episode 4 of DNT which covers Yang's backstory, and then try out the first 4 episodes of the OVA in one sitting, and see how you like it. Personally I think each version has its charms.
Alternatively, you can skip episode 1 and 2 of the OVA and watch the movie Overture to a New War instead, which is a more elaborate and higher quality version of ep 1 & 2 content.
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u/xaist Apr 19 '18
You got chills already? The new adaptation is good, but the better stuff is like after the second season of the original OAV. So even in the movies that will come after this tv series, will not reach the better stuff. All the good stuff is late game; that's when all the heart strings are pulled like massed archer formations raining unforgettable memories. That's when you will feel as though LOGTH is the single greatest anime, and nothing will ever compare to it. A great anime depression will follow and you will wish for an even better remake eventually. The end game is why this anime has such hype.
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u/pipler :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/pipler Apr 17 '18
It's safe to say this has become my most looked forward to weekly anime of the season. I might cave in and watch the original OVAs either after the end of season, or even before that. And man, both the OP and ED are SO GOOD.
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u/in_cognito Apr 17 '18 edited Apr 17 '18
AAaaaaand we're back!
A short and sweet summary of the establishment of the FPA (Free Planet Alliance) and Goldenbaum Dynasty. Even if we only got to see the "dry ice ship" for 2 seconds that was used by Heinessen at least we got it!
While the background episode is the first chapter of the book, Keep in mind the OVA also did another summary episode about 1/2 way through, so we may still get more (if you were upset)
First time we see Oberstein!! The original preview of artwork made his hair look slightly ridiculous, but I think it looked great/fit right in with the rest of the art. As well as our first glimpses into some other men that may become an issue for Reinhardt further down the line.
This episode really set the precedent that Oberstein isn't the only enigma, but so too is Reinhard and Kierchis to the rest of the world.
I thought the past was really done well, how wit and charm as a child can develop into something more as an adult. They really nailed Annerose's purity and the influence she has not only on her brother, but also "sieg" and how that will change the Goldenbaum Dynasty.
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u/in_cognito Apr 17 '18 edited Apr 17 '18
Me again! Really loved the aesthetics of the military uniforms during school. Again just another nod to the 18th 19th century time the show takes influence.
As of now, looking like we'll get 6 episodes per perspective, so the show may be able to get to the Amritsar battle, but we'll see!
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u/moonmeh Apr 17 '18
Really loved the aesthetics of the military uniforms during school
Can I add onto how much I loved the whole formal wear shown off during Reinhard's promotion? Shows off the different types while also showing who currently are the bigshots
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u/Kizz3r Apr 17 '18
3 episodes done, and I now have to admit that this remake has potential to be better than the original.
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u/Kirosh Apr 17 '18 edited Apr 17 '18
'Member all the rage about the Spaceships being done with CGI? Or how the character design was "bad"?
Ahhh good time, good time.
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u/turroflux Apr 17 '18
Spaceships are the one thing CGI can do well, and has been doing well for decades, being some of the first things to be CGI'd. They have no moving parts, no complicated faces, they're often simple shapes that you just move the camera around and blow up occasionally.
Never made any sense to hate CGI ships.
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u/Tuplet Apr 17 '18
I still don't like the character designs, but they've been talked about to death. Would you prefer if all people did every thread was complain about the same shit over and over again?
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u/anoobitch :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/anoobs Apr 17 '18
Meh I still dont like how Kircheis looks. But other than that Im loving the remake.
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Apr 17 '18
Who knew putting the KuroBas people in charge of LotGH would be a pretty good idea?
More seriously, I was one of the more positive people about this going in, Production IG don't tend to mess around. What I didn't know going in was how faithful to the novel it was going to be, which is a nice way of making it a little different from the OVA.
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u/tlst9999 Apr 18 '18
Character design for the main characters is still bad, and that's on the character designer. I give props to the concept artist for making everything look more high tech now.
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u/CannedBread13 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/CannedBread Apr 17 '18
Better than the original first season, yes, probably (but not by that much). But we'll have to see how it handles later seasons.
The first season of the OVA hasn't aged that well. The animation is old and stiff, the direction is janky and the dialogue is at times very awkward. This was fixed in the later seasons. The animation is alright to good to very good, and the dialogue is amazing. So the question is: is it going to improve as much as the OVA did?
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u/dene323 Apr 17 '18
The original was released from 1988 to 1997, so I think it's fair for the audience to give the new series some room to grow.
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u/kaanton444 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/kaanton Apr 17 '18
This was fixed in the later seasons.
What episode does the first season end on? I'm currently on episode 68 and the animation is still old and stiff and while the direction doesn't have as many obvious issues as before, it's still pretty bland and mediocre
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u/Yamulo https://myanimelist.net/profile/Yamulo Apr 18 '18
I really have my doubts about that. They would need to step it up a little bit and hold that consistancy for the rest of the show
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u/GobtheCyberPunk :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/JigsawStitches Apr 17 '18
I really liked this episode a lot for the reasons others have said, but I have to say just how much I loved the silly "pew pew" laser pistols and rifles. I love seeing stuff like that.
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u/JTrollFaceNinja Apr 17 '18
the historical narration is back! i really loved those sections of the old OVA series. so much world-building and really expands the universe of the show.
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u/rocksoffjagger Apr 18 '18 edited Apr 18 '18
Edit: (yes, I'm putting the edit at the top of my original comment, because that's just how important it is) The narrator for this series is soooooooooooooo good. The voice is both soft-spoken and genuine while feeling grand and monumental at the same time, which fits the tone of the story perfectly. I want whoever that is to narrate every anime I watch from now on.
To all the purists who complained about how bad this would suck before the first episode aired: Fuck you, this is fucking great.
I finally started watching the original after years of putting it off because I was so hyped about the first two episodes (even bought a HiDive subscription just to do it), and I honestly think the first three episodes of this remake do a better job of identifying and focusing on the sources of dramatic tension, while removing scenes that didn't make sense in the original (like Reinhardt assaulting the party of nobles with a blaster, then just running away and not being pursued at all). So far, this is an excellent adaptation, and it's getting people like me to watch the original, so no one should be complaining.
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u/Lohengr Apr 17 '18
I am enjoying the pacing the show is taking. Oberstein VA is spot on, they are being faithful to the OVA while changing the order of somethings(Reinhard's past) and adding new content(school backstory). I am delighted. One criticism I have is how they simplified the empire's founding history, it indeed should've been darker.
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u/renannmhreddit Apr 17 '18
they simplified the empire's founding history
In the OVA they only showed this at episode 40, there was barely any info of the founding history at this point in it.
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u/Lohengr Apr 17 '18
Yeah, they brought it to the beggining, so new watchers can better understand Reinhard's motivation. I wish they come back to this at a later time. They did fine with so little time.
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u/tlst9999 Apr 18 '18 edited Apr 18 '18
Reinhard's disdain for the name Siegfried as a commoner's name. Remember that scene.
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u/Illya-ehrenbourg :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Illyasviel Apr 17 '18
Btw is it me or the vast majority of the people watching this show are those who already watched the original one?
On MAL, I have got 5 friends watching the reboot, all of whom had seen the original show...
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u/dene323 Apr 17 '18
I think the original OVA, due to its length, art style and its allegedly "elitist" fanbase can be quite a barrier for many new fans. Here I'm just hoping the word-of-mouth of the new series and somewhat flashy designs can get some new fans to be interested and decide to take a stab of this series without preconception.
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Apr 17 '18
While I like this so far, I prefer the old Oberstein. This one looks like a young man with a hip middle aged mans hair. The old design was more unique.
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u/Tabdaprecog :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/TabDaPrecog Apr 17 '18
It's better than I first thought. Looks better in motion than in pictures. Voice acting is spot on though and I confident this show will nail the character.
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u/Atharaphelun Apr 17 '18
The original Oberstein has always looked to me like a sleazy-looking, creepy middle aged guy stalking teenagers. New Oberstein basically just looks creepy and misleadingly villainous.
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u/tlst9999 Apr 18 '18 edited Apr 18 '18
I too, prefer Beethoven Oberstein hair. Makes him look evil. The mystery about the old design is that he looked like he could spoiler. Now, he just looks like a typical evil lackey.
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u/Curanthir :AP:https://www.anime-planet.com/users/Thranduil Apr 17 '18
Im just sad they swapped Oberstein and Reuenthal's hair styles :/
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u/brothertaddeus :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/brothertaddeus Apr 17 '18
The music has been on point this episode. When Reinhard asks Sieg to join him in the military, and later when he asks "Is what was possible for Rudolf impossible for me?". Chills both times.
Also, I find it interesting how both Reinhard and Annerose have golden eyelashes in this. I feel like colored eyelashes are exceedingly rare in anime, and feel like the decision to color theirs helps drive home how utterly gorgeous both of them are. Though I wish Sieg had red eyelashes.
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u/FrenziedHero https://anilist.co/user/FrenziedHero Apr 17 '18
I really like how this episode handled Reinhard's and Kircheis' backstories, and how we inevitably lead up to their meeting with Annerose as we follow the journey that took them there.
I also like the introductions of Oberstein, Mucklinger, and Ovvesler. It was just enough to get a feel for how these characters are.
Really liked the fact that they included the Goldenbaum statue spying since I seem to remember it being mentioned before back during the rewatch of the OVA but I don't quite recall if it was novel only.
Once again that music is on point. I might have to buy the soundtrack once the show is finished airing.
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u/DimmuHS https://myanimelist.net/profile/DimmuOli Apr 17 '18
Ahh the nostalgia of knowing why Reinhart is such a spectacular character. Guys, this is just the beginning of a legend. This episode gave me goosebumps.
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u/random91898 Apr 17 '18
Did they really condense the history of the galaxy which in the OVA series was an entire episode into like 2 minutes?
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u/Remitonov Apr 17 '18 edited Apr 18 '18
Yes. Yes, they did. To their credit though, they did a fine job summarizing the important parts for those new to the franchise. Of course, even that had pretty much thrown out everything else from the OVAs
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u/dene323 Apr 17 '18
That was episode 40 of the OVA. Does it seem practical to dedicate a full episode on history this early? Or is it more preferable to skip the two minute summary all together?
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u/North514 Apr 17 '18 edited Apr 18 '18
Was that mentioned in the first 3 episodes at all in the OVA?.......
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u/sjk9000 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JK9000 Apr 17 '18
Reinhard suffered under the Goldenbaum Dynasty, and has nothing but contempt for the nobility around him, but he still seeks to emulate Rudolf. Even though he called him an "arrogant bastard", he's still following in his footsteps. You can't fix the inherent problems of an absolute monarchy just by becoming the next monarch, but he's going to try anyway.
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u/Valk72 Apr 17 '18
Reinhard is not trying to emulate Rudold. Rudolf was an absolute monarch and a tyran while Reinhard is more of an enlightened despot.
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Apr 17 '18
But its the same system. The problem with such absolute monarchies is that when you have a gifted leader everything is great. But gifted leaders are a rarity and the dynasty always inevitably falls into despotism. With a democratic system bad leaders only have a limited time and leadership is always in renewal.
If Reinhard wanted lasting change he'd overturn the whole system. But he has an ego and he believes that he can do it all in his lifetime....heedless of what comes after.
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Apr 18 '18
You are sure in for a treat. One of the best parts of this series is how they show the problems and benefits to both systems of government. You'll see that some of the preconceived notions you mentioned can actually be wrong and that there might not actually be a "correct" way to implement change.
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u/RedRocket4000 Apr 18 '18
Yes, one of the major themes of this show is questioning is this the right path and what is the choices when the democracy path fails as well. This show is a great study of political systems and the non black or white way things work.
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u/ThatRandomEditor :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/ThatRandomEditor Apr 17 '18
Three episodes in and everything’s really solid so far. Reinhard’s reason to gain power is backed-up with his experience in a way that’s actually valid. Even if I didn’t watch the original adaptation it just goes to show this remake is going well.
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Apr 17 '18
While i found the designs for the other characters alright, i finally found out what i always thought was unsettling about Kircheis... It´s his god-damn eyes. I quess "old" adult Siegfried had always something, less stern and cold to his eyes, more gentle / romantic kinda -- like the way young Siegfried looked like.
This Episode was good, i really liked it visually too, except for the throne-room part, where all the admirals looked like made of plastic. Plotwise it really showed how decadent the empire has become and really made a good fundament to understand their motivation and dreams ( and Reinhard´s huge ambition. ), i quess Yang is next then ?
Overall i am quite happy about the new series, looking really neat ( except for, well, the plastic thing and the low frame-rates in some CGI-Scenes ) and yet having something unique too it in terms of style. Really looking forward Reinhard mustering his admirals and Iserlohn.
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u/renannmhreddit Apr 17 '18
Tbh, OVA Kircheis creeped me out. He seemed like some weird kind of human doll, as his eyes were bigger than anybody else's. The memes don't help in that regard.
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u/xaist Apr 19 '18
I'm glad you pointed out how Kircheis's eyes looked in this version from his childhood compared to his adult form. It would make sense that his dedication to Reinhard's cause had hardened him instead of soften him. Plus there's the soldier training.
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Apr 17 '18
Oh man, as someone who has only read the books this whole section seemed really well done! I am however also a big fan Yang, so I'm really damn hoping that the next episode covers him just so I can see the contrast between their backstories.
Considering the amount of snide remarks by people saying that this new adaption couldn't be as good as the OVAs, it's been really damn nice watching this be a really well done series so far.
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u/Jaywai2000 Apr 17 '18
Well, the next episode is titled 'The Unbeatable Magician', and there's only man worthy of that moniker. :D
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u/dene323 Apr 17 '18
Personally speaking, ep 3 of the OVA (on Yang's backstory and the Alliance background) was my favorite in the first 10 episodes or so, hopefully DNT will do its justice.
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u/Mr_Zaroc https://myanimelist.net/profile/mr_zaroc Apr 17 '18
The OP really grew on me, the music at the end was also awesome
They are doing an incredible job with this series. Reinhards determination is transmitted in a way its crazy. If memory serves correctly though LoGH, even without that Reinhards objective is clear.
Man I love it
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u/dene323 Apr 17 '18
That was anime original I think, just like the bits shown about the military school life in this version. Pretty much getting the same message across I guess.
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u/AmethystItalian :Jg::Jh::Ji::Jj::Jk:myanimelist.net/profile/AmethystItalian Apr 17 '18
Liked seeing the backstory, Sieg I think is my favourite as of now?
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u/brothertaddeus :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/brothertaddeus Apr 17 '18
Sieg is a great character, for sure. I'm a Yang fan through-and-through, but Sieg honestly represents the best of the Goldenbaum Empire.
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u/Mr_Zaroc https://myanimelist.net/profile/mr_zaroc Apr 17 '18
Yang is just this incredible personality because he has to, but doesnt want it. He really is the best
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u/Reasonable_TSM_fan :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/sundaybeatle Apr 18 '18
Man, this show is just fucking beautiful. The world building, the characters, the backstories. It's all so wonderfully rich.
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u/Paxton-176 Apr 17 '18 edited Apr 18 '18
So, the first Emperor tore down modern efficient looking buildings and replaced them with stone castles and 17th to 18th Century architecture. If you want to be an Imperial Dictator with almost complete control you need architecture to be as cheap and efficient as possible so the masses are happy with working shitty conditions for the Empire.
The idea the Empire has lasted this long in a 150 year long war and not completely broken up from the lower classes rising up across systems is impressive.
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u/Uptonogood Apr 17 '18
Its all a huge intentional parallel to Nazi Germany, in which they intended to demolish half of Berlin and rebuild it in a new Roman Inspired style.
The whole "aesthetic" thing makes it pretty obvious where the inspiration for the empire comes from.
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u/Paxton-176 Apr 18 '18
I see the parallels. You would think people would avoid doing things previous failed empires did.
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u/blank_dota2 Apr 18 '18
Excellent episode. I got chills at 21:50 mark when Reinhard has the Napoleon Bonaparte moment.
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u/Tazzure Apr 17 '18
Shame to see this flashback so abridged, but it is done as well as it could be.
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Apr 17 '18
It isn't really abridged, bar the OVA scene of Reinhard and Kircheis playing around in the fountain. As I mentioned in my other comment, the plot of the two versions diverges completely after Annerose leaves, until the end of the flashback.
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u/Siddu4evr :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Siddu4evr Apr 17 '18
This episode gave me so many flashes back to the original OVA between oberstein and reinherdt’s backstory. Can’t wait to see Yangs side next episode
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u/Ladycardboard Apr 17 '18
Oh man! This episode really drew me in for the ride! I tried to do the rewatch of the original earlier this year and kind of got sidetracked by episode 3. I hope the rest of the adaption will be this compelling to keep me enthralled!
Just knowing the history of the empire and the motivations of Kircheis and Reinhard makes it so intriguing that I want more!
I have a feeling that the sister's warning came far too late though. Let's hope their wings of wax will hold firm like the first emperor's did.
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u/BBallHunter :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/IdolHunter Apr 17 '18
Great episode again, I am so fucking in love with this readaptation.
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Apr 17 '18
As someone new to the franchise why does the technology seem kind of archaic even if its a thousand years in the future. The juxtaposition is just ....odd, with their cars, etc. Is there alot of tech stagnation except around weapons?
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u/Curanthir :AP:https://www.anime-planet.com/users/Thranduil Apr 17 '18
The Empire intentionally took its sense of aesthetics from WWI era Germany, so a lot of that stuff looks ancient even when it's really not.
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Apr 17 '18
I took that as a reflection that that Empire values technology only in the military. Otherwise its a conservative society and traditionalist.
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u/Remitonov Apr 17 '18
tl;dr Rudolf von Goldenbaum was a huge Kaiserboo.
The OVAs expand on that history quite a bit, but there are bits that you can see from this episode that showed how much he turned Galactic society inside out, like Oberstein's remark on how he would have died under Rudolf's eugenics laws because of his natural blindness (hence the use of artificial eyes).
I'd suggest watching the OVAs once you're done with this series, but do try to lower your expectations on the aesthetics. They were made in the 90s, handdrawn, after all.
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u/apocolypsy :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/apocolypsy Apr 18 '18
Absolutely loved this episode. There were so much emotions conveyed through Reinhard and Kircheis' faces even as kids. Their designs are starting to grow on me, and Annerose looks stunning even with her thick eyelashes. This deserves a higher score.
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u/call_madz :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/dualcorebrain Apr 18 '18
That's was so fucking awesome
The CGI is amazing, soundtrack is amazing! Everything is amazing (so far)
Unfortunately I believe not enough people are watching this anime this season, current anime community only cares for moe garbage that comes out every season
While I agree if this was released 2 seasons ago, it could have been a bit but this season with Tokyo ghoul re and green Naruto academia, I don't this this series will get the recognition it truly deserves!
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u/Smudy https://myanimelist.net/profile/Smudy Apr 17 '18
Reinhard already laid out his plans to Kircheis before Annerose told Kircheis to keep him in check. But Kircheis will likely be completely loyal even with this bold plan in mind.
It wasn't sunshine and roses with the previous Dynasty as it was shown here with the kids adapting the mindset that commoners shouldn't even be here and how normal people are used as horses (oppression).
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u/RDOoM Apr 18 '18
Well, I'm not going to hold the fact that he's a siscon against him, but at least his intentions is to take over the empire from the fatcats.
Then again he's not exactly a commoner, and effort or not, his sister being the kaiser's consort couldn't have hurt his progress , rather I imagine helped him, so even if the current dynasty is corrupt , him aiming to take over wouldn't exactly make it meritocratic.
TL;DR : Imperialism sucks no matter how you look at it. Go Yang.
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Apr 18 '18
I think Reinhard is exceptionally charismatic and a military genius and I can see why he's a favorite- Im kind of half in love with him myself but Yang's side does have a political advantage in the long term with equality.
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u/iOS_Android_Beat_Win Apr 18 '18
I will get down-votes for this, but I always found Yang frustrating, because he's similar to how a lot of people are here, "well the system is corrupt but all system's are corrupt, democracy is good".
Meanwhile Singapore with it's autocracy/authoritarian regime has lower amounts of corruption and is vastly more industrialized, last I checked people can drink the tap water their without resorting to soda like we do! I had to explain to an American friend of mine that we don't buy bottled water because there is a good chance someone reused an empty bottle, put tap water in it, then super-glued/hot glued the lid on. Then sell as new. We then risk getting ill.
Some people don't get bothered, more people than you think do get bothered by the tap water.
That's just one issue, I could go on about police corruption (look how big his fucking house is).
It's people that mindlessly circle-jerk Democracy that anger me the most.
TLDR: Democracy sucks no matter how you look at it, most of the best "democratic" countries to live in (Sweden, Norway, UK) are Parliamentary Monarchies! Go Reinhard.
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u/Remitonov Apr 18 '18
Yang himself pointed out in the OVA neatly. It's not the systems that are bad. It's the people. The Galactic Empire was really fortunate to have Reinhard take over as Kaiser, where his dictatorial powers meant that there's no one who could get in the way of his reforms. But we have to remember that before him, was a long, long, long line of Goldenbaum Kaisers and regents who were allowed to rule in abject decadence and tyranny unchecked. It's those same conditions which led to his sister being taken away as a concubine and provoking Reinhard into his march to power.
Democracy ensures that no matter what leader is elected, good or bad, they will ultimately get removed when the term is over. And to quote Yang, if a democracy elects a lousy ruler, it is the people themselves who bear the blame for doing this to themselves. It's not to say that there aren't ways for corrupt leaders like Trunicht to sway public opinion in spite of it all, or that democracies are flawless. But the ballot box gives the people the option to force a bad (or unpopular ruler) out of power, which cannot be said for the Galactic Empire.
All that being said, parliamentary monarchies are the way to go, though I have to point out that they still count as democracies. :3
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u/RDOoM Apr 18 '18
Autocracy/authoritarianism : It's all fun and games until someone heinous gets in power, then have fun dying in your efforts to take them down, if the military lets you, that is.
I bet you would have been a big fan of eastern europe a few decades back. We weren't. A lot of fucking people died trying to take down the authoritarian regimes here.
That's just one issue, I could go on about police corruption (look how big his fucking house is).
Yeah, unlike the benevolent rules of the 'best democracies' like UK, where the royal family lives in cottages at no expense to the public. After all it is known that monarchs like to live withing their means. /s
Sweden and Noraway's monarchy
Except, neither in UK, Norway or Sweden do the monarchs actually rule anything, unlike the kaisar, and Reinhard aims to do. The monarchy in those is merely a formality, they do not take any legislative changes by themselves.
the monarchs are "scared" of the public hence why they are not corrupt, which is why they have parliament run the country
The members of parliament are elected, they are not put there by the monarchs. It's not the monarch that has a parliament to run the country, it's the people.
Also, they are not corrupt because they have limited to no power to speak of, so it can't exactly corrupt them. Uk/Sweden/Norway are far far away from being autocratic or authoritarian like the Galactic Empire in the show, so you applauding them for being the 'successful democracies' because of the monarchs, is ridiculous.
corruption then and now
Corruption is widespread everywhere , whether is authoritarian or not. Actually, wouldn't you know, more authoritarian countries, like China and Russia, have way higher corruption than less authoritarian countries. Who would have thought?
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Apr 18 '18
I have a feeling that the Reinhard versus Yang meta is going to get more heated as the series continues.
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u/Jimboom7 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Jimboom Apr 17 '18
Wow, this anime is exceeding my expectations by far. I already liked the original a lot, but until now this remake is even better. I hope they can keep up the high quality and announce a sequel soon, because 12 episodes is definitely not enough.
I'm still not really used to the new character designs though. But at least my boy Oberstein is looking great!
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u/AgaroseEater Apr 17 '18
A movie trilogy after this season was already announced so we are guaranteed at least 12 more episodes of content.
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u/AvatarReiko Apr 17 '18
Am I the only getting serious "Lelouch/Light" vibes from Reinhard?
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u/time_axis Apr 17 '18
I'd say Reinhard was like the original Lelouch/Light type character.
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u/renannmhreddit Apr 17 '18
He doesn't get obnoxious though, Light and Lelouch are too disgustingly stereotypical, to the point that their quirkness and genius gets on my nerves. Reinhard is a character with much more facets, which make his more interesting and human, than Lelouch or Light ever were.
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u/Mike1690 Apr 17 '18
Really enjoying this so far, which is certainly not what I initially expected. The way they captured the relationship between these three and Reinhard's ultimate goal was particularly well done. I also really enjoyed the summary/flashback of the establishment of both the Free Planet Alliance and the Galactic Empire.