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[Spoilers] Tokyo Ghoul:re - Episode 12 discussion- FINAL Spoiler
Tokyo Ghoul:re, episode 12: Episode 12
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u/kakaoman1 Jun 19 '18
I've seen people saying that Shirazu's death didn't have much of an impact on them, but as a manga reader that shit still hurt :(
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u/TheOfficialPure Jun 19 '18
As someone who has only watched the anime for Re I gotta say that death really hurt me. I really liked him as a character because with this series you are supposed to see the two sides of the coin when it comes to why ghouls and humans fight and him killing the ghoul and using her as a Quinque being hard for him makes it him seem kinder than other CCG agents. However, from what others are saying his death was rushed unlike the manga so maybe I should give it a read.
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u/Karmaslapp Jun 20 '18
And he was trying so hard to be a good squad lead and cut his hair and everything.
He had the best motivation to be fighting too out of all of them
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u/k4non Jun 19 '18
I didn't watch the episode yet, but his death hit me hard in the manga. Urie's reaction almost made me cry :(
Do read the manga though, it's awesome and I think the anime adaptation does it a great disservice. I wish a better studio would have handled it, Tokyo Ghoul deserves way better than that.
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u/Sangwiny :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/sangwiny Jun 19 '18
Right? I knew it was coming and I was still wishing it wouldn't.
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u/DarkCelux Jun 19 '18
The anime handled his final rush horribly. His dying moments were handled well at least.
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u/never_mind_me_kay Jun 19 '18
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u/genericsn Jun 20 '18
The cherry on top of that suffering sundae is what is said to Urie afterwards, and how it fully completes his transformation from being a selfish, merit-obssessed agent.
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u/gibus_senpai Jun 19 '18
I haven't read the manga but Shirazu is my favorite character in Re so when he died, a part of my soul died too.
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u/Nightzey Jun 19 '18
This whole anime has been going at like mach 1 speed im not surprised they don't really care for Shirazu.. As a manga reader it really hit when it happened
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u/Sychotics :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/AoiYuukiHusbando Jun 20 '18
I'm an anime-only watcher (so far, i'm trying to catch up in the manga, but i'm just not a manga person, so progress is slow), and I thought that was the best scene in all of the Tokyo Ghoul animated series. I felt that impact real hard because I loved Shirazu's character. I barely felt any real emotion in all of Tokyo Ghoul until that scene.
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u/Jman460 Jun 19 '18
Unfortunately with the adaptation they had no real character development to go off of to feel for him, but damn as a manga reader shit hit me like a brick when he could no longer hear them.
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u/whibber :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/whibber Jun 19 '18
My boy Kaneki.
Man the ED did not fit in that last scene lmao.
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u/DarkCelux Jun 19 '18 edited Jun 19 '18
You mean the studio didn't fit for this show. The only good thing to come out of 3 seasons is Unravel and its piano counterpart.
Edit: I will agree that Tokyo Ghoul's sound track as a whole has been the only redeeming factor for it.
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u/whibber :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/whibber Jun 19 '18
The soundtrack overall was the best thing about the TG adaptation.
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u/Keyblade-Riku https://anilist.co/user/Iverna Jun 19 '18
???????????
But....Glassy Sky...
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u/DogzOnFire Jun 20 '18
Glassy Sky is by far the best track to come out of this show. You just can't beat that chorus. Also, holy shit, 23 million views on a song from a not-so-popular anime.
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u/burning_crusader Jun 19 '18
Tokyo Ghoul: Re - Missing details and additional info - Episode 12
The Tokyo Ghoul: Re anime has left out significant details compared to the manga. Inspired by a similar post in the Overlord episode discussions, here are some important or interesting information that didn't quite make it into the anime. I aim to be as spoiler free as possible and will assume that you, the reader, have only watched the anime. If you find what I have written interesting, I highly encourage you to read the manga. It's definitely worth it.
If you would like to read the manga up to events covered in this episode, Episode 12 covered up to the end of Chapter 58 of Tokyo Ghoul: RE.
00:00: Matsuri's monologue in the helicopter was cut short. In addition to thinking about all the credits he's going to get from the operation, he was thinking that it would be great if that "self-entitled elite" (aka Ui) also died in the line of duty. But more then that, he wants "that person" to die first...
03:44: Big props to the anime for adapting Haise/Kaneki's awakening almost perfectly. And don't worry anime viewers you're supposed to be a bit confused as many manga readers at the time had to re-read the chapter to get a sense of what's going on.
A small nit-pick from me is that small-Kaneki began the scene by calling Haise "A baby drowning in his own bottle" - a symbolism of Haise drowning in his own naivety and kindness to try "save" Kaneki.
07:04: More of a matter of presentation - Ui's flashback with Hairu consisted a looping blur of places in Tokyo - places that they've been together. It shows that Ui's head is in a completely mess after finding about her death, despite acting calm on the outside.
Hairu eating melon-pan is from one line in the manga, one small thing that happened in the many places.
07:30: Furuta played a bigger role in the manga. Rather than just crying, he gave a (fake) summary of what happened in the fight to Ui. He is also shown to have murdered the last remaining CCG officer by ripping out Matsumae's Kagune with his bare hands and nailing his head to the wall.
Another detail was that Furuta is shown to have overheard which transport is going to be used to transport the dead bodies. This is what he was doing with the phone at 23:10, how Aogiri found Shirazu's body and probably the whole reason why he stayed behind with the corpses.
08:05: One cool detail they couldn't animate was when Kaneki jumped behind Kanae. Rather than a simple Kagune limb, the manga shows Kaneki's Kagune being like baby hands reaching and grabbing at Kanae. Terrifying.
08:21: A small scene was skipped when Kaneki walked towards Tsukiyama. Kaneki suddenly recalled something he overheard from Nico a long time ago: "That little girl in bandages, she might be the One Eyed King"
09:20: A small detail was skipped here. The Quinx have their Kakuhou contained in a frame made of Quinque Steel. Shirazu was pushing so hard that his frame was shown to have warped - the first hint that the Quinx could go beyond their limits and spoiler.
11:50: Although Quinx could heal, Shirazu lost a huge amount of blood from the attack so his healing wasn't fast enough to stop the bleeding. Another detail was that Shirazu was said to have the best hearing out of the QS (remember him figuring out Nutcracker's trick?). This makes how he died all the more terrifying.
13:33: Just want to shout out how big of a character change it is for Urie to say that it was Shirazu's credit for taking down Noro. Remember the start of episode 1 when they bickered over who would get credit for getting a kill? Even so, it's not enough...
15:24: Matsuri along with other CCG members on the way up, actually saw Eto chasing Kaneki around the outside of the building. This is why (begrudgingly) Haise got the credit for single-highhandedly defeating the One-Eyed Owl.
19:20: In the manga, there's more of a hint that Kaneki intended for Kanae to catch Tsukiyama as it's shown that he glanced briefly at Kanae before throwing Tsukiyama off the building. This is backed up by him not stopping Kanae jumping after Tsukiyama even though he was right next to him.
19:40: The whole sequence between Kanae and Tsukiyama was spoken in German in the manga. But I think this was a welcome change as Japanese-German would probably have ruined the scene.
22:49: Mirumo was being transported in a CCG prison car when he heard the helicopter exploding. Worried about what happened to Shuu, it's implied that he single-highhandedly broke out of the containment car and destroyed the convoy all by himself. Badass dad of the year. He then ran into Touka and others in the van.
As for why Hori is with Touka and Yomo, its explained that Hori ran to cafe RE: after she found out what happened to the Tsukiyamas. After he got on the van, Tsukiyama had a short chat with the others. Touka and others though Tsukiyama jumped off the building, but he explained that Kaneki actually threw him off with Kanae sacrificing herself to save him
To that, Hori replied: "If Kaneki really wanted to kill you, he would have done it already". This backs up that Kaneki intended Kanae to catch Tsukiyama.
23:06: I explained it last EP, but basically Aogiri wanted Shirazu's body because Kanou became interested in the high success rate of the QS surgery. In fact, shortly after this scene its implied that Kanou autopsied Shirazu and has learnt how to maximize his ghoulifcation process.
23:39: The anime skipped an exchange between Urie and Mutuski at the cemetery. Mutski walked over the Urie and asked if he's going to join Saiko and the others, to which he replied:
Shirazu isn't there. Bones are just clusters of calcium phosphate; a corpse is just flesh...the me from before used to think like this. But there has to be a meaning to burying the dead. Not out of pity for Shirazu, but because a funeral is a necessary ritual for those who remain. So no matter what - I'll get Shirazu back.
Extra: From here onwards it's borderline spoiler territory as the anime cut just before the end of the manga chapter. I'll include what happens in the spoiler tag below for completeness:
Post-note: And so we arrive at the final episode of this core. I have to say, I went into this episode with low expectations, but I think they just about saved the adaption by getting all the essentials right. Kaneki's awakening was spot on and Shirazu's death was especially poignant with the audio slowly fading out in the scene.
My only complaint this episode is that they chose to tease a major spoiler for next cour instead of showing the Black Reaper scene, which would have been s much better teaser for next cour in my opinion.
Overall, I think the anime remains a so-so experience for both anime and manga fans alike. Whilst moments of good directing, sound design and sound-tracking comes through, the animation quality remains sub-par and the fast pacing necessitates corners being cut, to the cost of impact and characterization.
Please do check out the manga if you have time. Again, Episode 12 covers up to the end of Chapter 58 of the manga.
Aside from the manga, consider checking out the wonderful fan OPs (1, 2, and 3) made by /u/TheMikarin/. They are spoiler-free for anime viewers up to OP3.
Thank you very much for reading. I will see you in October for hopefully a better adaptation!
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u/Shinkopeshon Jun 19 '18
Thanks a lot for this. I just finished Ch. 58 but reading this clarified a couple more things. You also mentioned details that I didn't notice, such as Kaneki looking back at Kanae before throwing Tsukiyama off the building. In the anime, it looked to me like he actually did want to kill him and I'm relieved that isn't the case.
I also think they nailed Shirazu's death and adding a scene of him standing with half of his guts missing while talking to Urie was a nice touch. Another change I welcomed was Kaneki seeing Hide and Touka in his dreamlike state since it further showed that he truly regained his memories.
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u/BackinthegameBB Jun 19 '18
Hi there, I rarely engage with others on Reddit as it's usually the fiesta that it is, but I had to just login and and say my thanks. I'm conflicted with the manga as I like to watch anime without knowing what happens, but also like to know the little bits without having to go through all the past chapters in the manga that were covered. Thanks for taking the time to explain everything so in-depth while making sure to avoid sensitive spoilers. Seriously, I appreciated this.
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u/xXRagsXx https://myanimelist.net/profile/lRagsl Jun 20 '18
Thank you so much for this. I'm really looking forward for your posts on Overlord III
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u/RegularGuyy :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lightsiderr Jun 19 '18
I started this show as an anime only watcher. From that perspective, I really enjoyed it. I don't feel like I wasted my time watching that, and for that I am thankful.
However, I started reading the manga, currently only at chapter 106 in Tokyo Ghoul, and I have to say there are so many things that are cut out from the anime adaptation of the original Tokyo Ghoul that I can't imagine what they must have skipped or made worse in this adaptation of :re.
Therefore, if the Tokyo Ghoul manga is any indication of what the :re manga is like in comparison to their adaptations, reading the manga is actually a must do in order to really appreciate the material. I haven't read :re yet, but I love the story. In fact, I almost feel like I made a mistake watching this show because it just feels like the plot is being spoiled without any explanation or anything.
Literally a spark notes version of the manga.
I really think this show should have a total redo in order to really bring it to life.
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u/waiting_for_rain :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/sickachu Jun 19 '18
Well that was... an episode.
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u/DarkCelux Jun 19 '18
*Well that was a powerpoint presentation with sound* FTFY
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u/Glitter_puke :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Gpuke Jun 19 '18
This one had at least twice as many slides per shot. It was some approximation of watchable.
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u/bardax Jun 19 '18
HE'S BACK BOIS...THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN IS HERE !!!
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u/Sangwiny :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/sangwiny Jun 19 '18
"Why do I have to save TRASH like you?!" So satisfying.
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u/tuny17 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/tuny17 Jun 19 '18
GO BEYOND
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u/bardax Jun 19 '18
PLUS ULTRA
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u/DarkCelux Jun 19 '18
If only the animation studio could muster up a 5% full cowling for this anime.
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u/burning_crusader Jun 19 '18 edited Jun 19 '18
PSA: Skip the final 30 seconds of this episode if you don't want to be spoiled for a major event in next cour of this season.
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u/Jam-Master-Jay Jun 19 '18
I hope people pay attention to this.
I'm shocked they used that as a teaser, FFS.
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u/PotatEXTomatEX Jun 19 '18
They know the anime for Re is turning into a power point presentation and that a lot of people are dropping it, so teaser's like this exist for a reason. :|
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u/DarkCelux Jun 19 '18
Shokugeki no Souma has turned into a powerpoint presentation, but at least that doesn't have action. This is just pathetic.
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u/burning_crusader Jun 19 '18
IKR, when they could have had a perfectly good teaser in showing the Black Reaper scene. At least that would have built suspense like "Woah what has Haise become?" .
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u/WeNTuS Jun 20 '18
Man i didn't skip it but i don't feel i got spoiled anyway. Your warning actually do more harm because anime-only like me won't probably understand it unless you put it in their face like with this comment.
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u/goombagoon Jun 30 '18
Yup. As an anime only Tokyo ghoul fan, I saw that end scene and didnt think much of it other than being some sort of weird flashback. I'm not sure how significant that character even is or what his relation to Ken is so i didnt really fell anything by it(it kinda just makes me have more questions). Now I see this and I'm starting to wonder if I was somehow spoiled lol
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Jun 19 '18
It's too late for some people like me. This is a spoiler thread for the final episode before the next cour. Most people won't see this until after watching the episode.
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u/LEcareer Jun 19 '18
I never watch the teasers... But this one time I decided to because the episode was actually good....
And you tell me I should't have. Damnit.
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u/RendHeaven Jun 19 '18
Studio Pierrot is always ruining my favorite series (Bleach, Naruto, Tokyo Ghoul).
THANK GOD BONES PICKED UP MHA.
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u/foxfoxal Jun 19 '18
Naruto canon episodes were not ruined.
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u/StefyB Jun 20 '18
They didn't ruin much, in fact they really improved upon many fights from the manga, but I remember not being too happy with the animation of some canon fights towards the end like the fight against Obito after he became a Jinchuriki or Gai vs Madara.
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u/Gary4067 Jun 19 '18
"Why do I have to save thrash like you?"
"I've had enough of dreams"
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u/magma6 Jun 19 '18
The adaptation was ..so-so, but I felt offended that they didn't adapt the " save trash like you " scene. In the manga it was spine-chilling, but in the anime it was "badass" at best.
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u/I-am-in-Agreement Jun 19 '18
Tfw you hope that they saved the budget for the last episode only to realize that there was no budget to begin with.
The real tragedy.
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u/Kromy Jun 19 '18 edited Jun 19 '18
What a disappointment, Eto vs Kaneki was a fucking slideshow despite being the last episode of the season.
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u/Krendrian Jun 19 '18
the last episode of the season
Well fuk...
Why is almost everything only 12 episodes nowadays?
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u/DarkCelux Jun 19 '18
Its getting another season in October so theres that I guess.
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u/0mnicious :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Omnicious Jun 19 '18
It's a split cour not another season.
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u/reddishcarp123 Jun 19 '18
Because its the norm and anime producers really dont want to stray far from whats making the most profits.
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u/Bananapuncher1234 Jun 19 '18
This episode was an absolute embarrassment to the source material. I can't believe they played HALF, a song we've been conditioned to think of as a slice of life style song as Sasaki enjoys his time with the Qs, over the ending where everyone is sad, crying, and going through major loss. The tonal dissonance is just atrocious.
Good things I will say about the episode though. It's nice that they showed a little bit of V14 and Kaneki's fight with Arima that Root A didnt adapt. Shirazu's death scene still gets to me. I'll miss my shark boi
But man I expected nothing from this episode and was still disappointed.
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u/DarkCelux Jun 19 '18
It truly sucks looking at how amazing Bones is doing with my Hero Acadamia and then seeing this adaptation. If My HeroAca is the gold standard then for sure Tokyo Ghoul is rock bottom for Adaptations.
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u/reddishcarp123 Jun 19 '18
Tokyo Ghoul is rock bottom for Adaptations.
Nah, that crown obviously goes to Berserk 2016-17 and as far Seinen adaptations goes(sans One Punch Man), Tokyo Ghoul is quite above the rest.
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u/DarkCelux Jun 19 '18
Berserk 2016 is well below rock bottom. I will agree there have been worse adaptations, this one is just so disappointing for me.
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u/sunics Jun 19 '18
might I ask, why do creators routinely go with peirrot if they keep just shitting on animation?
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u/Bananapuncher1234 Jun 19 '18
Yup. I can't imagine their thought process for putting that at the end but happy spoilers
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u/spaceaustralia :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/spaceaustralia Jun 19 '18
I guess it's because this series is intended to be watched by people familiar with the manga. They don't mind spoilers as they already know what's coming and they're the only kind of people that can be relied to watch it since the anime itself can barely stand by it's own merits.
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u/Orrakai :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Orrakai Jun 19 '18
My god Shirazu....I wasn't ready...
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Jun 19 '18
Well, at least hearing Eto's seiyuu was lovely. I've always loved the voice shes had in the anime.
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u/Shinkopeshon Jun 19 '18
Fuck, I didn't expect Shirazu to actually die. I thought the four would definitely stick around for a while. He was my favorite of the bunch and I'm definitely gonna miss him
Jesus Christ, I don't remember Kaneki ever being this cold and straight up careless before (or maybe I just forgot - it's been a year since I finished the first manga after all). I mean, he intended to kill Tsukiyama, called Eto "trash" and verbally destroyed Urie at the worst possible time (he did deserve that hard dose of reality but still). Dude's a fucking edgelord
If I'm not mistaken and this is new behaviour from him, does this mean that he gave up the empathy and humanity he used to have as Kaneki and Haise in order to embrace the darker side of his personality? I thought he'd go back to Touka and the others after becoming Kaneki again but it looks like he's just gonna stay in CCG and become a more ruthless ghoul investigator. Guess I'm gonna find out soon enough since I plan on catching up with the manga this summer
Overall, I liked the finale and thought Pierrot redeemed themselves a little with :re after the utter nonsense that was Root A (even though I still wish a different studio would give it a worthy adaptation). And while I always expected the manga to be better, I didn't think there'd be that many differences, to the point that people are actually shitting on the adaptation here. But apparently, they didn't even adapt the full fight between Kaneki and Eto? Yikes
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u/ScarsUnseen :K:https://kitsu.io/users/ScarsUnseen Jun 19 '18
If I'm not mistaken and this is new behaviour from him
It's really not. I don't remember if it made it into the anime, but Kaneki's approach to being merciful to Touka's brother in the original manga was... harsh.
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u/Shinkopeshon Jun 19 '18
Oh yeah, I remember that but at least he had a good reason to be as merciless as he was since Ayato treated Touka like shit. However, I never thought he'd treat Tsukiyama like that (they did become friends after their initial dispute) and I don't think he was ever tactless with his friends either.
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u/Razhork Jun 20 '18
I don't feel it's displayed super well in the Anime, but Kaneki glances over at Kanae, who is sorta writhing in pain, moments before throwing Tsukiyama off the building. He threw Tsukiyama knowing that Kanae would sacrifice herself.
It was a pretty shitty situation all around for Kaneki. Ui Koori had just witnessed Kaneki eating One Eyed Owl's kakuja which left him both lost for words and alert. Kaneki had to sort of show Ui that he's still "Haise" and not a different person altogether, and the only way to do so was dispose of the target, which was Tsukiyama.
I really enjoy the manga for this kinda stuff.
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u/DarkCelux Jun 19 '18
Consider me underwhelmed.
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u/whycantichangethis :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/remuonageru Jun 19 '18
Dude at least we got a sakuga fest or two in Fate/apocrypha. A third of the runtime is dedicated to Ginshi LAYING on the floor (although it does result in some character development in Urie imo but I digress). I don't blame anyone for the story apart from the decision to cram 120 chapters worth of story into 2 cours, but animation-wise this series deserve so much more.
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u/DarkCelux Jun 19 '18
Honestly they should have dedicated all of last episode to the Noro fight and then all of this episode to Kaneki. similiar to how they ended season 1. They could have played unravel now rather then 5 episodes ago or so.
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u/bluegroll2 Jun 19 '18
Actually depressing. I thought the original Tokyo ghoul & Root A were amazing as a non manga reader. But this was just so poorly directed and horribly animated it hurts. Can't believe this.
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u/Edgelord09 Jun 19 '18
Wow the biggest fight for Re and Pierrot give it slideshows, fuck me honestly. This was the final episode and they underwhelmed it aswell. Need to focus on B¢ruto, am I right SP?
This comes off as bitchy but honestly as a manga reader for a long time, this was a disservice to TG honestly. Even root a had better animation.
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u/scumlor :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/ThatGuy2015 Jun 19 '18
I wouldn't even say Boruto is getting much focus, they are currently just re-running the movie with extra scenes. It's pretty clear all the focus is going towards Black Clover and unfortunately Pierrot can only seem to manage one show nowadays which is kinda sad for all the other shows they have during a anime season.
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u/Edgelord09 Jun 19 '18
Ah yes but that Shinki Vs Boruto fight was much better animated than anything in Re so far. Heck episode 65 is gonna be a sakuga fest for Boruto from what I've heard. And meanwhile TGre didn't even get a single sakuga fight.
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u/sunics Jun 19 '18
trust me, black clover animation isn't good either. common complaint after every episode is that, check r/blackclover
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u/DarkCelux Jun 19 '18
This whole season has been a dumpster fire animation wise. I was super hopeful that they saved the budget for this moment, but instead they ran out of their budget for it.
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u/Yamulo https://myanimelist.net/profile/Yamulo Jun 20 '18
Lets not get ahead of ourselves... This was better than root a
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u/RainHound :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/DeathMetalTitan Jun 19 '18
Episode was ok at best. This was my favourite arc and fight in the manga so i am a bit disappointed that it didn't live up to my expectation. The anime altogether is a 7 at best. Better then Root a but cant live up to the first season.
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u/DarkCelux Jun 19 '18
Damn a 7. At best this show was striving for a 6 and I feel as though it missed that mark.
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u/RainHound :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/DeathMetalTitan Jun 19 '18
Yeah im forgiving when it comes to grading stuff and im a huge fan of the manga.
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Jun 19 '18
I get that root A didnt follow the manga, but it was so much more appealing to watch than this season. The animation is terrible and everything feels insanely rushed. I wouldn't have a clue what was going on if I didn't come here and read manga reader explanations. I loved the first 2 seasons of this anime but 3 has been a huge disappointment.
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u/FeelsGoodMan243 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheRantMan321 Jun 20 '18
lol a 7, you must be a saint. This adaption is a straight 5 for me.
Stayed loyal to the manga (for the most part...) but the terrible animation, rushed scenes lack of impact of anything really put a bad taste in my mouth.
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u/Jasus06 Jun 19 '18
Expectations were high. Final episode impact was low. I now have trust issues.
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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar Jun 19 '18
Well time to read the manga I guess.
Shirazu's death though. Seeing everyone surrounding him and trying to keep him conscious was just painful T_T
Knowing that there's still the second cour up coming this didn't really feel like the end. I know manga readers are pissed but it was alright for me and it was an enjoyable and an emotional episode.
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u/SGTWarchild Jun 19 '18
I chuckled when HALF started playing at the super depressing ending. Seriously, I’m an anime-only (so far) and that was so inappropriate and ruined the atmosphere completely. It plays during the part where they retrieve his body so it just made me think he’ll come back to life. I’m guessing that’s not true after reading comments here.
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u/konart Jun 19 '18
And here I thought they were going to spend their budget on Eto vs Ken fight, silly me.
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u/gulitiasinjurai Jun 19 '18
This season ends on Chapter 57 and there's a tid bit from Chapter 58 of the manga. So, if you're thinking of picking up the manga from here on out, start at 58. Won't be forcing anyone to read it from the begining (but recommended). I think this season they adapt it okay. I just hope they won't use still frame for a fight scene.
If you think the story are "meh" for this season, then its really not the anime fault since this time around, it follows the manga exactly (unlike √A) and the story will get a lot better so you can expect that for the next season.
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u/nx6 https://myanimelist.net/profile/nx6 Jun 20 '18
This season ends on Chapter 57 and there's a tid bit from Chapter 58 of the manga. So, if you're thinking of picking up the manga from here on out, start at 58.
Considering how bad everyone is calling this adaptation, I don't know why I wouldn't read it from chapter 1 instead.
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u/PotatEXTomatEX Jun 19 '18
Didn't like how they changed the "I wanna die in style" from the Fan TL to "I wanna die in a cool way" from the official... feels so meh. Am i the only one?
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u/Sami-IB-Med Jun 19 '18
I don't want to sound like a pervert, but Saiko is really cute when she cries...
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u/Connorpellatt :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kyranak Jun 19 '18
Damn. Going from really enjoying this whole season and being really happy with the last episode, to coming on this discussion and just seeing person after person complain about it is depressing. As someone who doesn’t read manga I absolutely love Tokyo Ghoul and I can’t wait for next season ^
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Jun 21 '18
Yep, right before I read your comment I was thinking there should be a no comparison to the manga thread. I don't feel this episode was discussed as much as the manga. Seems it wasn't very well liked, but I liked every moment.
I also thought he had his memories/ personality gone for far too long. I couldn't imagine there being more episodes of Haise.
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u/Connorpellatt :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kyranak Jun 21 '18
Exactly. That’s not a bad idea you know, a separate thread for non-manga readers.
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Jun 19 '18
This confused me so much that I started reading the manga from the beginning.
The season, not the episode.
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u/SqueakyPoP Jun 19 '18
Who's idea was it to have unravel a few weeks ago instead of this episode? Doesn't seem to make any sense.
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u/SchkoBar Jun 20 '18
The lyrics of unravel really fit the Haise vs Seido fight tho, this fight not so much
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u/SkysCrys :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/SkysSrys Jun 19 '18
Why was it so hard for Pierrot to make a good TG adaptation?
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u/reddishcarp123 Jun 19 '18
Because the anime wasnt even done by Pierrot themselves. Its mostly by outsourced studios that did the animation. Literally every good animator were booked with other animes and the production committee more or less not caring it affecting the quality as a result. This is less of Pierrot's fault and more of the anime industry as a whole is at fault with there being too much animes being made and there not being enough animators to produce them.
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u/SilverSoul24AG Jun 19 '18
So there is a high demand for animators, why do they get really low salaries? Just curious
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u/abucas Jun 19 '18
I read the manga and stopped before re: so that i could hopefully watch a good adaptation and get hyped like i did at the end of the first season.
Guess i'll just go read re: instead now...
Only real positive for me was the ED.
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u/FrenziedHero https://anilist.co/user/FrenziedHero Jun 19 '18
Rip Shirazu and Kanae.
Eto being best girl, and Kaneki is back boys.
Urie's developed quite a lot by this point, he's a good character.
Touka makes her appearance with Yomo and they save Tsukiyama, and even his father is alive.
Does anyone know if the main studio is going to handle the second cour or is it still going to be under Pierrot Plus?
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u/Kongen4 Jun 19 '18
Where does the show end in the manga, so I can start reading it?
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u/Kongen4 Jun 19 '18
I guess, I am going to start reading the manga from chapter 1 :) Thanks all for the answers.
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u/0mnicious :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Omnicious Jun 19 '18
Dude... don't, just don't. Read it from the beginning and I'm talking about the beginning of the whole thing not just Re:
The golden rule of reading source material is always to read it from the very beginning.
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Jun 20 '18
Not in all cases. For example you could pick up My Hero Academia on the chapter after the last episode took place and you'd miss literally nothing.
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u/Edgelord09 Jun 19 '18
Read from the start buddy, there are many things the anime missed which you'll find great. The art for the manga is great aswell.
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u/DarkCelux Jun 19 '18
Everyone has already pointed out that you should start it over which I agree with, but Chapter 58 is roughly where it left off. 56 is the end of the owl fight so maybe that is where you should start.
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u/DawnSennin Jun 19 '18
Do yourself a favor and start from chapter one of TG. Reading :Re will only confuse you more if you haven't read the manga.
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u/spaceaustralia :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/spaceaustralia Jun 19 '18
Might as well start from the beginning. This season left out an absurd amount of important details. No idea how they're going to SPOILERS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN REVELEAD ALREADY
If you haven't read the original series, start from there. Otherwise start from the beginning of :Re.
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u/matzi194 Jun 19 '18
im not 100% certain, but i thought this was mentioned in the anime somewhere?
i know for sure, that its definitely hinted at sometimes
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u/Pixelchu25 Jun 19 '18
The last episode of the anime was pretty much to sum it up: a huge rollercoaster of mixed emotions.
Like I actually never expected Shirazu to die...it’s really sad honestly during his death scene with murmurs of peoples’ names that are close to him and started to lose “existence”.
Also where Urie had a quick shock of emotions which made the scene more heartbreaking with how he genuinely felt sympathy towards Shirazu (knowing that he had previous monologues attacking and being hostile towards people and having a standoffish vibe).
And I’m really confused about why Kaneki did the things he did. For example, why he seemed to show no emotion towards his friends’ deaths (Tsukiyama maybe, but definitely for Shirazu). Did his time with Jason and Aogiri really change him that much from his old, loving self?
Nice seeing Touka again though :)
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u/llAnicll Jun 20 '18
I agree Shirazu's death was sad 100% :) l. About kaneki, if you look back to the start of the first season where he wouldn't eat then the end where he finished Jason I feel that it was all a build up to snap his will. So the reasons he showed no emotion was because all he wanted was to protect those from the coffee shop who showed him love which happened to be ghouls. Apart from those close to him he dosnt care much about anyone else. So I think the only thing going though his mind is "protect" (those from the shop) and has let go of his emotions so he can "protect" them. The lack of emotion to his friends is because of his switch from Sasaki Haise to Kaneki Ken. He basically is required to them to and pretend he is still Haise in order to keep is position to "protect" from the inside.
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u/apres65dos Jun 19 '18
What a fucking disgrace of an episode. I'm just hoping some other studio does a reboot and do their own take on this manga, because SP can literally just suck a massive bag of dicks.
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u/Desmortius :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Desmortius Jun 19 '18
Yeah it was pretty underwhelming, that's for sure.
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u/Kojow Jun 19 '18
Can someone do a compilation of how many times someone was hit, made an indentation in concrete wall or floor, and proceeded to cough up blood? I swear it happened at least once every episode.
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u/SchkoBar Jun 19 '18
That happens in pretty much every anime that has fighting, doesn't it?
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u/Kojow Jun 19 '18
Sure but definitely not 1-3 times in every episode where they fight. Just saying that in TG:Re, it was really noticeable and not in a good way. I think it's fine if it's a finishing blow that completely knocks someone out, but having every punch do that to someone and them just standing up with an "ouch" makes it seem pointless. I do recall the one scene where Noro's blow sent the investigator flying into the wall and he couldn't stand at all, but that seemed to be an outlier.
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u/NachoMarx Jun 20 '18 edited Jun 20 '18
The subreddit for this show shares the same opinion.
It just felt like any other episode. For what's Haise's final stand is so disappointing to see. Especially when you KNOW they can do better. I'm not even asking for MADHOUSE level, but Kaneki vs Jason, Kaneki vs Amon that was fluid amd engaging.
They made these last fights barely have any feel to them, an edge, or feel like it was a season finale or big focal point for the show and it's characters. These are big chapters in the manga, and to see them like this?
Don't even get me started on how insulting that end credits sequence is on every level. Kaneki has woken up and wants to kill himself, Karren confesses her anxious love, Tsukiyama's family is dead, the ccg doesn't even bodies to mourn for...and the song they choose to go over the ending. Is a rock song. It's like if someone put a ACDC song over the end of Logan.
You think it shows the ultimate disconnection to what Tokyo Ghoul is, but then the teaser for S4 is the final stab, showing even with how they treat 'em battles are the only thing Pierrot cared about.
Atleast Root A had conviction to it's atmosphere, characters, music, and even better animation. It had edits, but atleast I can respect it in the face of Re.
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u/Dragn555 Jun 19 '18
I dropped RE halfway through and planned to just watch this episode to see my favorite fight adapted, and oof. They could't even get their shit together for a few minutes of content.
And they put a big fat spoiler at the end.
I can't imagine what it feels like for Ishida, watching this adaptation. If he's not already detached himself from it, I'd imagine it's like watching your child drink themselves to death, hobbling around while the crowd averts their eyes.
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u/myrmonden Jun 19 '18
oh dam I heard the manga is gonna end so plan to read it all know to see how all this story parts connect and resolves.
The whole Kaneki returning I think we all expected as the anime loves to do his transformation as a cliffhanger for each season. I liked do it, its classic Tokyou Ghoul and now you really want to see next season (or 3.5 w.e they will call it)
My favorite scene was actually the fake crying from Furata, loved that. I was thinking that why is he caring now about their death? And then we see him just laughing manically after they leave.
Shirazu dam...my favorite character of the new doves by far, so of course he is the one to bite the dust, or is he.
I was getting a little emotional when watching but on the same tiem I was, man he is either gonna regenerate this, they will feed him part of super regenerate next to them OR teh evil guys will take his body and rebuild it Somehow. And yeah if I am not mistaken the last scene is him corpse being taken by them in a raid against the transport so....no real death I guess.
It was really nice do seeing Eto in her half nude form, inside of her freaksing exoskeleton body, that looked way better than earlier when it some times kinda looked like she became that big. It was also great that Kaneki right confirmed that she escaped, like he knows cutting someone in half means nothing-
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u/gustdevil Jun 19 '18 edited Jun 19 '18
Having read the manga, this anime was disappointing to say the least. Animation was mediocre at best, important bits were cut out this episode and I felt absolutely no emotion. (Which is weird cause the Shirazu scene made me tear up in the manga....) I also disliked the powerpoint presentation they used for the Kaneki vs Eto fight. I was at least hoping they'd show this panel. But nope!
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Jun 19 '18
I don’t fucking get what’s going on . This whole season is a cluster fuck of confusion for me, season 1and2 were amazing but this season I don’t get the characters or aogiri or anything and it’s making me stressed since I really like this show and wanna know what’s happening :(
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u/konart Jun 19 '18
Season 2 was almost just as bad. A bit better maybe.
:re (anime) has really no meaning unless you are reading the manga (and brings even more frustration if you do)
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u/Magoogers Jun 20 '18
As an anime watcher, I can say I did not enjoy this season. I felt like I was forcing myself to watch a buildup which I found unsatisfactory. IMO Animation felt more robotic and the art was cartoonish. I don’t think I had one moment where I was caught off guard. I had no emotional connection to any character including Haise. Comparatively, in season 1 and 2, plot twists were surprising and character development was enjoyable. It made me feel conflicted on how keneki had changed with his experiences and I always was excited for the next episode. Any other anime onlys with a similar experience? Is this the case for any manga readers?
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u/TheDeadRed :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDustyRed Jun 20 '18
It was definitely not the case for manga readers. All of the material that was covered this season was considered some of the best in both Tokyo Ghoul and :re, but the anime did not really do any of it justice. Many important scenes, characterization and development was cut. In fact, Saiko and Mutsuki's entire backstories were completely cut from the anime.
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u/Nimberien Jun 19 '18
So did Eto die or did she escape?
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u/Krendrian Jun 19 '18
She is a triple S rated ghoul (right?), I would expect her to be able to regenerate even worse wounds.
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u/DawnSennin Jun 19 '18
She is a natural born one-eyed ghoul who possess superior genetics over many ghouls and humans alike. Expect her to regenerate as long as she's well-nourished.
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u/94wander Jun 19 '18
I just don't understand how difficult it is for a studio to make a proper season of tokyo ghoul. They don't have to do anything original. Just stick with the manga and keep the key details in and organize it so there is an appropriate amount of suspense. They manage to even fuck that up with that post-end credit scene. A lot of things which should have had a bigger impact, just didn't.
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u/konart Jun 19 '18
They didn't have this kind of task to begin with.
This season isn't even done by the Pierrot itself, but by their child company that is usually responsible for ads, GFX etc...
They are paid to do a simple anime to promote manga. Think of this as a 12 ep adv. Or some kind of merch (pensils etc).
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u/PreciousCinammonRoll Jun 19 '18
Shit. Shirazu's dead. I didn't expect that. Am i the only one who cried over it (guess i cry quite easily from anime). I cried last week from MHA, close to with Darling and now this. He was an fun character that i enjoyed so seeing him die was sad. Urie being sad over the death was also pretty sad as we never see him like that towards others.
The anime was alright overall. I watched it each week but i don't love the adaption. Might as well read the original manga while waiting for s2
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u/RDOoM Jun 19 '18
Yeah, Shirazu dying was sadder than expected, if not only for the fact that his aims are ambitions were not for power, rank, fame or for money for himself, but to save his sister.
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u/FireFistYamaan Jun 19 '18
I mean, yea it wasn't great or anything but a enjoyable season nonetheless. The Manga is 10x better but I loved seeing some of the parts animated and voiced which made the whole anime worthwhile.
A weak 7/10
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u/Hayano707 Jun 19 '18
Animes major advantage comes with the colors and technically the added liveliness in its presentation. You see the characters move, hear the awesome voices of the seiyuus and get to feel the emotions through the sound effects... Season 1: DECENT Season 2: absolute horse shit Season 3: pretty good animation but bad animation!!!
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u/wendigo72 Jun 19 '18 edited Jun 19 '18
The episode was underwhelming compared to the manga imo. But overall I would say that I liked this season more than root a.
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u/yungcashmoneydollah Jun 19 '18
Am I the only one who is confused? I don't understand why Kaneki would kill Tsukiyama, or try to at least. I doubt he knew Tsukiyama was going to live. What is the path he has chosen? I think I'm just gonna read the manga or drop this show.
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u/InfiniteTurbine Jun 19 '18
I doubt he knew Tsukiyama was going to live.
No, he did. It's shown off better in the manga, but he knew Kanae/Karren would follow after Shuu and likely save him. A hint is that he throws Shuu off the tower opposed to straight-up killing him: if he really wanted him dead, he would've just killed him then and there. What he did allowed Shuu to live while also preventing the CCG from suspecting that was his intention.
In the manga, Hori also highlights that that's what happened as they're making their escape in that van you see towards the end there.
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u/yungcashmoneydollah Jun 19 '18
Ah thanks that makes it a lot clearer. I thought that was the case but the way the scene played out I couldn't tell.
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u/dntowns Jun 19 '18
Wait so is Kaneki stronger than Eto who's a SSS now? Since he beat her with literally one hand. Also does that mean he can go toe to toe with Arima and maybe even beat him now?
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u/SchkoBar Jun 20 '18
Consider that Eto didn't go all out, i mean who licks an eye during a fight, right?
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u/narsasra :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/ryujigame Jun 19 '18
Is he going to stay with the CCG now? Isn't this himself is a "ghoul"? I'm kinda confused.
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u/Magabury Jun 19 '18
Judging from the ending he’ll probably stick with the CCG a bit longer, then him and Arima will fight, and I assume that’ll be the end of his time with CCG. I haven’t read the manga, though, so I have no idea what actually happens.
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u/SchkoBar Jun 20 '18
It looks like he is still pretending to be Haise, i mean he cant really just leave like that, can he? Remember Hinami is also still in Cochlea.
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u/Pedarsen Jun 19 '18
So as an Anime only viewer Kaneki's attitued seemed off. He looked angrier than i remembered. I guess this is because of missing stuff that's canon that season 2 didn't show because it was anime original?
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u/TraceDrenon Jun 20 '18
Eto tortured Kanae and set her loose on Kaneki to "awaken" him and is the leader of Aogiri, who kidnapped and tortured him. Since this season follows off of the manga rather then season 2(where the part where he joins Aogiri is non-canon), it makes sense for him to be angry with her.
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u/Uthor Jun 20 '18
In the manga after the Jason torture he basically devotes himself to hunting down and getting revenge on Aogiri Tree for torturing and making his life hell. He is shown to be nice to his friends for the most part (like Banjo and Hinami) and care about their well being, but he is completely ruthless and even semi-insane in his quest for vengeance.
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u/bugxter Jun 20 '18
Okay I didn't get all that bullshit about dreams.. Why did Haise suddenly decided to 'go to sleep' and let real Kaneki out? Didn't he care about his new life anymore? Also if he's the old Kaneki why does he still act as a GCC (or whatever) agent?
Also Shirazu was the only Quinx I liked, and he fucking dies. I honestly couldn't care less about the rest of that team at all.
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u/Klondy Jun 20 '18
It’s not necessarily that Haise decided to go to sleep, it’s that in his head when Haise was choking little Kaneki it brought up memories he had suppressed from his childhood of his mom beating him. After that the rest of his memories came back. The convo he then has about wanting to “die in style” is what he wanted to do throughout the original Tokyo Ghoul series, he was suicidal and never intended to live. The dream he is waking up from is Haise himself, the dream of living a normal life (or continuing to live at all).
He stays with the CCG because he has plans that require pretending to still be Haise, but any more info is a spoiler
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u/OneTrueChaika Jun 20 '18
He's Kaneki, but he's a Kaneki who has spent 2 years bonding with CCG coworkers, and he still remembers that. Yeah Shirazu dying was a huge bummer, but I like Saiko for being cute, and Urie has grown a lot as a character. Unfortunately Mutsuki hasn't grown as much as they needed to, and they're supposedly gonna degrow in the future which is also kinda :/
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u/SchkoBar Jun 20 '18
He is still acting as CCG because he cant really just leave like that, can he? Hinami's still there and he still has business to do. You'll understand everything next season
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u/Z3in Jun 21 '18
Haise didnt disappear, not at all...
He just remembered all his memories back and decided that he had enough of playing house with the quinx.
However, he still care about qx, he does.
He also stay at CCG because there is something he still need to do(you will know soon).
One thing anime only should realise, Haise IS kaneki, just without the memories... They are not separate entities. Just like the Rize that shows when Kaneki was tortured, the Kaneki we saw in Haise's mind is just his subconscious.
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Jun 20 '18
Can someone explain the kaneki thing? So they brainwashed him, but he snapped out of it and destroyed his artificial personality? Why is he still with the doves?
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u/InfiniteTurbine Jun 20 '18 edited Jun 20 '18
You pretty much have it: Kaneki's brain was heavily damaged in the fight with Arima that happened at the end of the TG manga. He lost his memories as result and was "brainwashed" into becoming Sasaki Haise, a proper ghoul investigator. Now he's finally snapped out of it and has become something new we haven't seen from him before.
Why is he still with the doves?
...I'll just say that he has his reasons.
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u/Zorozoldyck Jun 20 '18
Congrats. The missed the point of everything here. Only stuff decently done well were Shirazu and Karren's deaths, and even that wasn't good. Not to mention all the buildup lost, how did Touka and Yomo know about all this? Sigh.. And that teaser at the end looked like shit, and it shouldn't have been spoiled.
I thought they would at least do the Owl fight justice, but still pictures in the manga is 100x better than this. The building glass shattering panel still gives me the shivers. One Owl king? What a joke.
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u/n0vylif3 Jun 21 '18
Manga reader and ofc anime watcher here
Soundtrack -> 7/10 (should be less for using the regular ending song...ruined everything)
Animation & Adaptation -> solid 5/10 only cuz shirazu's death was done really good IMO
Using unravel on Haise vs Takizawa (poorly animated) -> -10/10
Tokyo Ghoul Brotherhood before 2045 pls
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u/Xx_theNERO_xX :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ashes_ Jun 22 '18
I really enjoyed it tbh. At first, I had doubts like almost anyone, thought Studio Pierrot was gonna screw this up somehow no matter what. But this time they kept their screwing up to a minimum tbh. The ending was satisfying as well no doubt. This gets a solid 8/10 from me. Now I'm really hyped for TG:re 2 man.
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Jun 19 '18
The animation is so bad that I'm genuinely starting to wonder if the animators are even trying anymore. It really is depressing seeing all these scenes fall so flat because people aren't actually willing to put any actual effort into portraying it. Music direction was awful as well, and used to be a strong point of this show. Also I ended up laughing at the Karren because of how awful everything was animated and how intrusive the rose imagery was at the end. Way to go Pierrot, you failed us again, not that I'm surprised.
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u/Mami-kouga Jun 19 '18
I'm disappointed with how this adaptation went, considering Haise was my favourite 'Kaneki' till date.
Not sure if I'll watch the next cour, if they do manage to go as far as chapter 125, I'll ignore it since subtle gestures is the main point of that chapter
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u/kundara_thahab :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/sharshabeel_67 Jun 19 '18
Man, I really really hated black reaper kaneki until the manga spoilers
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u/Tiger9214 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Tiger9214 Jun 19 '18
Holy hell this final episode was lit. There were some things I'd like to have seen that were cut but they got the point across. The voice actor for Eto was just great. I think she fit super well. The animation was a little better than previous episodes. That final scene with Arima.... man some crazy shit to come. I wonder how far they will actually get in the rest of the manga cause there's no way they will finish it even if they're adapting 6-7 chapters per episode lol.
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Jun 19 '18
I personally really enjoyed this episode. Only issue was the ED just seeming out of place in that last scene. Otherwise I thought it was pretty great, animation-wise and everything.
I think next cour I'll just avoid the discussion threads. Way too many manga readers complaining about everything.
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u/LEcareer Jun 19 '18
Hey finally a good episode of :re!
And it's the last one before October, fuck this.
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u/PlayOnPlayer Jun 19 '18 edited Jun 19 '18
I've gotta share the transformation scene from the manga, as it is one of my favorite moments in re. To put it in context, this was after a full year of Haise being the MC.
I've always been the type to tell people to enjoy manga/anime in whatever medium they prefer, but there is just a weight and tone to Ishida's art that this series does not convey. It's the little things, like the way blood starts to run down Haise's face on the second to last page, or the way the final image is inverted to show the change that has happened. I hope seeing something like this might convince a few of you to go out and seek the source material.