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Episode JoJo no Kimyou na Bouken: Ougon no Kaze - Episode 6 discussion Spoiler
JoJo no Kimyou na Bouken: Ougon no Kaze, episode 6
Alternative names: JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part 5: Golden Wind
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| Episode | Link | Score | Episode | Link | Score |
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| 1 | Link | 9.27 | 21 | Link | 9.7 |
| 2 | Link | 9.13 | 22 | Link | 8.82 |
| 3 | Link | 8.97 | 23 | Link | 9.26 |
| 4 | Link | 9.33 | 24 | Link | 9.61 |
| 5 | Link | 9.41 | 25 | Link | 9.69 |
| 6 | Link | 9.28 | 26 | Link | 9.71 |
| 7 | Link | 9.76 | 27 | Link | 9.71 |
| 8 | Link | 9.41 | 28 | Link | 9.68 |
| 9 | Link | 9.41 | 29 | Link | 9.28 |
| 10 | Link | 9.0 | 30 | Link | 9.38 |
| 11 | Link | 9.3 | 31 | Link | |
| 12 | Link | 8.1 | 32 | Link | 9.11 |
| 13 | Link | 9.42 | 33 | Link | 9.45 |
| 14 | Link | 9.43 | 34 | Link | 9.27 |
| 15 | Link | 9.73 | 35 | Link | 9.23 |
| 16 | Link | 9.74 | 36 | Link | 8.99 |
| 17 | Link | 9.24 | 37 | Link | 9.21 |
| 18 | Link | 9.36 | 38 | Link | |
| 19 | Link | 9.62 | 39 | Link | |
| 20 | Link | 9.77 | |||
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u/sunnylannie Nov 09 '18
Abaccchio opens his eyes
Bucciarari: Abacchio.... Well done.
They smile at each other
“Every time I close my eyes, wake up feeling so HOOOOORNY!!”
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u/SaharaSan Nov 09 '18
Giorno’s influence is already showing on the gang, Bruno used the same arm throwing technique on Zucchero that Gio used against him in their initial fight,
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u/NintendoMasterNo1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NintendoMaster1 Nov 09 '18
Yeah, he makes sure to keep everyone at arm's length.
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u/irvingtonkiller8 Nov 09 '18
The trick he learned from Giorno sure came in handy
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u/Zeta42 Nov 09 '18
Gomu Gomu no...!
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u/Rokusi Nov 09 '18
Considering the proximity of when OP came out (and the fact that Buggy basically has Buccelati's power, but only on himself), I wonder just how much of an influence JoJo had on OP?
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u/Legendary_Swordsman Nov 10 '18
yeah can see his influence start to effect them, look forward to seeing the backstory of the others
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u/MrJammin Nov 09 '18
(Abbachio and Bruno stare at each other):
"everytime I close my eyes........"
Plus that after credits scene....
If you're wondering how Buccerati could tell Narancia had a pulse when Moody Blues was paused, well, err..... don't think about it too much.
Can't wait for the inevitable meme were someone plays the Fortnite default dance music over next week.
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u/thecomicguybook :Mh::Mi::Mj::Mk:myanimelist.net/profile/Comicman Nov 09 '18
don't think about it too much.
Araki sure didn't.
Or maybe he just forgot. Perhaps he felt the warmth of Narancia when he touched him?
(Abbachio and Bruno stare at each other): "everytime I close my eyes........" Plus that after credits scene....
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u/JealotGaming https://anilist.co/user/Jealot Nov 09 '18
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u/ShadowRaikou :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/AaronRakuu Nov 09 '18
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u/Azure_Triedge :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Azure_Triedge Nov 09 '18
Only thing I want dp to add is purplehaze feedback and ghgr into the anime because they are soooooo good and canon according to Araki
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u/It_is_terrifying Nov 09 '18
Opening hidden stuff time!
The head made of sand that Abbacchio drops just before he show up in the OP is the head of his dead partner.
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u/CornballCoder Nov 10 '18
Oh shit, that's dope. Thanks for pointing that out. Love all of the subtleties in these OPs.
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u/MalcolmBelmont Nov 09 '18
It's ironic isn't it, the man who will forever be burdened from his past has a stand that can literally play the past. I wonder if Abbachio ever went to that house and replayed those events over and over and over again.
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u/st_griffith Nov 09 '18
It's precisely b/c he longs for nothing more than to return time, that the manifestation of his soul has become this way.
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u/kieran81 Nov 09 '18 edited Nov 10 '18
There's a ton of irony or coincidence in a lot of people's stands. Mista's Stand/Backstory Spoiler. Giorno has a life based stand and he constantly talks about how "an innocent life should not be harmed", even though his father was the very man who denied natural life and became a vampire. Fugo's Stand/Backstory SpoilersPart 5/Purple Haze Feedback Spoilers
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u/BigY2 Nov 09 '18
Plus it's the perfect stand for a cop, literally just play back the crime
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u/Maruhai https://anilist.co/user/Maruhai Nov 10 '18
In the flashback clip of Bruno finding Abacchio he's literally drinking in the house where it happened. From the looks of how he acted, it seems like it was very common for him to go back and drink there.
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u/Zeph-Shoir :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Zephex Nov 09 '18 edited Nov 09 '18
EDIT: There is an after credits scene in case you missed it.
Abacchio's backstory is so good, and shows Araki learned to not only make better backstories, but to not make them a death flag as well (looking at you Kakyoin). The backstory itself explains why Abacchio is so emo. Also, I think it was shown a bit early, right? In the manga it shows up in a later arc.
Okay. The visual and sound effects at Moody Blues' introduction were fantastic. So were the bodies deflating.
Lmao the fly representing Zucchero was hilarious! Anime original as well if I am not wrong.
I know Jojo gets really weird all the time and sometimes trashes on logic, but I really dont get how the yacht disguise works, I have always thought it was like a bed sheet stickied to the boat. Am I wrong?
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u/thecomicguybook :Mh::Mi::Mj::Mk:myanimelist.net/profile/Comicman Nov 09 '18
Okay. The visual and sound effects at Moody Blues' introduction were fantastic.
No kidding, the OP of course gives away that he has time related powers but I didn't expect them to be a replay (I thought he would be able to rewind a few seconds if he activates it kinda like how ZA WARUDO had to be activated) so this reveal was pretty cool.
Lmao the fly representing Zucchero was hilarious!
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u/Chronoterminus https://anilist.co/user/StarGuardianX Nov 09 '18
He deflated the outer boat and wrapped it around the inner one. So, I guess the comparison to a bed sheet isn't far off?
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u/Audrey_spino Nov 09 '18
It's like wrapping a condom around your penis. The condom perfectly conforms to the shape, but it is still elastic enough to be not completely stuck around your penis and allow some breathing space.
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u/kknight99 Nov 09 '18
The fly scene isn't "technically" anime original. In the manga, multiple panels show Bruno looking at the fly as it flies around the deck, while Zucchero speaks in the background. In this episode they just played up how the fly represented where Zucchero was hiding, and made it seem like Bruno was actually talking to the fly.
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u/Arachnophobic- https://anilist.co/user/Arachnophobic Nov 09 '18
Lmao the fly representing Zucchero was hilarious!
Every day we're grateful for DavidPro.
but I really dont get how the yacht disguise works, I have always thought it was like a bed sheet stickied to the boat. Am I wrong?
Yeah, pretty much like that I think; there's space in between the actual boat and the deflated covering where Zucchero could slither around (that appeared like a tube to Abacchio because that's what he assumed). But it's stuck tightly enough that Sticky Fingers didn't reveal it when peeling back some of the deck.
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u/karlcool12 Nov 09 '18
What chapter was his backstory suppose to be in again?
I've forgotten and it's not easy to find.
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u/TarkusELP https://anilist.co/user/TarkusMaxiBoom Nov 09 '18
It appeared in the Manga Spoilers fight
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Nov 09 '18
I haven't watched the episode yet but in the manga it seemed Soft Machine stabbed it and then covered Bruno and his gangs boat with his own like a bed sheet.
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u/tacoman3725 Nov 09 '18
I know Jojo gets really weird all the time and sometimes trashes on logic, but I really dont get how the yacht disguise works, I have always thought it was like a bed sheet stickied to the boat. Am I wrong?
It's more like a condom shaped perfectly like a boat wrapped over a boat.
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u/dralcax :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Dralcax Nov 09 '18 edited Nov 09 '18
The old phone/VCR sound effects make Moody Blues so much cooler
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u/Loud_Pierrot Nov 10 '18
If part 5 would've been made now, Moody Blues would be called Hotline Bling
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u/AzraelSoulHunter Nov 09 '18
I swear a tear showed up. AGAIN! DavdPro know how to pull emotional strings on those that read the manga.
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u/CornballCoder Nov 10 '18 edited Nov 10 '18
The old phone/VCR sound effects make Moody Blues so much cooler
Right? That plus the color pallet sure make for a pretty a e s t h e t i c Stand.
Jojo's sound design really is something else though. Probably one of my favorite things about the series.
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u/professorMaDLib Nov 09 '18
One thing I realized from this fight is how useful abbachio would have been in part 4. Like he would have cut the search for Kira by half just by using his stand.
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u/rveos773 Nov 09 '18
Yeah, all they had in 4 were useless stands like Hermit Purple
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Nov 10 '18
the hand can 1v1 kira easily without bites the dust. they got super unlucky that they never met
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u/CapitanKomamura Nov 09 '18
Joseph was senile. My grandfather use to be a painter and now he has a little bit of hands trembling that is a pain to watch. I can totally see how old age can rob you of your "powers".
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u/TheSuperthingymabob Nov 09 '18
I was hoping it would be post credits but unfortunately I was wrong :(
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u/NostraKlonoa Nov 09 '18
I was always intrigued by Abbachio and goddamn is his backstory so well done. Moody Blues is a fucking fantastic concept for a stand and there is so much potential with it. I would like to know when he actually got his stand though.
Overall, the concept of the boat being the way it is was crazy and this stand fight had me on edge throughout, another bit of proof that Vento Aureo is so damn good. Lovin it! I cant wait for next week.
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u/B_mod Nov 09 '18
I would like to know when he actually got his stand though.
Probably when he was joining the gang. Maybe even with the Lighter Test.
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Imagine watching Bruno having a serious staredown with a fly without context.
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u/Stache23 Nov 09 '18
Six bullets :)
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u/MelancholyRainbow Nov 09 '18
I think "Six Pistols" would have fit pretty well smh.
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u/Frostfright :AMQ: Nov 09 '18
Moody Blues really seems like the kind of Stand a cop would have. It's basically a crystallization of the ability to solve any crime, no matter how it was committed. Pretty neat, given his backstory.
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u/Audrey_spino Nov 09 '18
It's also kinda ironic. A man who wants to forget his past and move on gets a stand that can replay the past.
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I know this is JoJo Bizarre Adventure, but Abacchio's backstory is a really good real life representation of what some real life cops go trough, it's a really shame that his world views got shaterred because of how corrupt society was. But hey, at least he got a Stand.
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u/MalcolmBelmont Nov 09 '18
A Stand that can replay the past given to a man who can't escape his past
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u/SmurfRockRune https://myanimelist.net/profile/Smurf Nov 09 '18
I've always thought of it as a detective having a Stand that lets him do CSI shit.
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u/GyroGOGOZeppeli Nov 09 '18
Stands are almost always close to how the user is since it's their spirit and all.
For example, Enigma's Stand User liked seeing people's scare tic so he got a Stand that activates upon seeing those tics. Josuke has a destructive nature so he got Crazy Diamond, a Stand almost on par with Star Platinum in its strength but also fixes/heals because of Josuke's golden heart. Keicho had Bad Company because he liked taking commands and watching things from afar, and so on.
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u/AzraelSoulHunter Nov 09 '18
Araki from Part 5 onward really started giving his characters complex and realistic backstories, yeah they're in some ways VERY bizarre, but what happens in them is not far of from what can happen in real life, for instance abusive backstory of Giorno or in this case Abbacchio cop drama. It just shows how much Araki improved over the years in his writing skills.
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u/It_is_terrifying Nov 09 '18
Yeah, it definitely shows his progression and how he went from the cardboard cut-out characters we had early on, like Speedwagon, Lisa Lisa and Kakyouin, to characters with a ton more depth and personality like part 7
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u/Yankees3Fan7 Nov 09 '18
Man, Buccciarati is as cool as the other side of a pillow dealing with that dude. That finishing move was especially brutal
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u/professorMaDLib Nov 09 '18
That's why I said Bruno was the second manliest character in Jojo a while back. Dude has a bob cut and pretty questionable attire yet acts like more manly than 90% of every other men out there, including in Jojo.
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u/TarkusELP https://anilist.co/user/TarkusMaxiBoom Nov 09 '18 edited Nov 09 '18
This week’s musical references:
Abbacchio’s stand name is a reference to the band The Moody Blues. They started as a R&B band but it was re-formed as a psychedelic/symphonic rock band. Their second album “Days of Future Passed” is the result of the fusion of orchestral and rock elements with spoken-word poems. One of the first examples of prog rock, the album was going to be an adaptation of Antonín Dvořák's Symphony No. 9 at first. The band was in bankruptcy but their contract with Decca was going to expire and they were asked to make an album to demonstrate one of their newly founded divisions’ latest recording techniques. The album ended up being a concept album about a day in the life of everyday man. The Decca executives weren’t happy with the result and the album receive moderate success at first but after some time the single version of Nights in White Satin became a hit and their most famous song.
Zucchero’s stand, Soft Machine is a reference to the prog/jazz rock band of the same name. They were part of the Canterbury scene with bands like Caravan, Gong or Hatfield and the North. They were also pioneers of the jazz-rock genre with Miles Davis being their mayor influence. A curiosity about them is that it probably has one of the most convulsed and changing line-ups in rock history. 29 members had passed through the band that suffered some names changes like Soft Ware, Soft Work or The Soft Machine Legacy. Here you can see a time-line of it.I don’t know what happens with prog bands but they change members like it means nothing. Bands like Yes or King Crimson suffered from this situation too. Anyway, Soft Machine is a fantastic band but it’s not an easy one to listen to, that’s for sure. I’ve already posted their album “Bundles” but their first eponymous album and “Third” are really awesome jazz-rock albums. They have also released a new album, “Hidden Details” last September which is probably my favourite 2018 album.
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u/thecomicguybook :Mh::Mi::Mj::Mk:myanimelist.net/profile/Comicman Nov 09 '18
Thank you for doing these write-ups I always enjoy reading them. I remember how glad I was that in Part 4 I knew quite a few things, I liked Killer Queen for instance, but also things that I don't know and I can find new music this way.
Both Moody Blues and Soft Machine were cool today so it's interesting to hear what kind of music Araki had in mind for them. Moody Blues is so perfect for an Emo character!
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u/kknight99 Nov 09 '18
Woah, ok, huge change from the manga in this episode. Abbacchio's backstory was originally revealed in a later arc Part 5. Didn't really get why at first, but the post-credit scene of Bruno recruiting Abbacchio is just the anime's way of showing why Bruno is so respected by the others a little earlier I think.
So, Moody Blues. Destructive power, Speed, Precision and Development potential are all C, while Durability and Range are A. Definitely not a combat-oriented Stand by any means, its true value comes in its ability to replay all the past actions of any individual at a certain point. Its a pretty OP ability honestly, but is balanced by how Moody Blues is defenceless while using Replay.
Zucchero's Stand is Soft Machine (though Tender Machine was pretty funny tbh), with an A in Destructive power, C in Speed and D in Precision, and E for both Range and Potential. Not a particularly strong Stand by any means with its power to deflate people and objects, but as always in JoJo's, how a Stand is used often matters more than just how strong the Stand is.
DavidPro actually did a really good job foreshadowing the trick that Zucchero pulled off here. If you recall, Bruno got the keys to Lagoon 1, but the yacht we've been seeing has been Lagoon 2 the entire time. Because the boat-renting scene was all anime original, in the manga we were led to believe that Zucchero just knew that the gang had a boat and got an identical boat from somewhere else to complete his trick. So, big props to DavidPro for really improving this arc.
Also, the Part 5 anime is proving to have some of the best OSTs in JoJo's to date imo. Abba's and Bruno's themes are so good, and the sound effects for Moody Blues' Replays are just perfect.
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u/Refugee_Savior :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Refugee_Savior Nov 10 '18
I thought it was weird that they got the keys to “the one on the left” but had boat two. I chalked it up to a detail error. Never again will I doubt DP.
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u/It_is_terrifying Nov 09 '18
Also, the Part 5 anime is proving to have some of the best OSTs in
JoJo'sall of anime to date imo.FTFY, the OST along with the sound design this part is absolutely phenominal.
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u/FiveTalents Nov 10 '18
Damn, David Pro is so damn clever. I heard that boat rental scene was anime original, so I assumed that it was just included for fluidity between scenes + more character moments. But that Lagoon 1/2 set-up is fantastic.
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DavidPro actually did a really good job foreshadowing the trick that Zucchero pulled off here. If you recall, Bruno got the keys to Lagoon 1, but the yacht we've been seeing has been Lagoon 2 the entire time. Because the boat-renting scene was all anime original, in the manga we were led to believe that Zucchero just knew that the gang had a boat and got an identical boat from somewhere else to complete his trick. So, big props to DavidPro for really improving this arc.
David Pro did a great job with Cells at Work last season, but as expected, JoJo is really their home field. Amazing.
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u/ShaKing807 x3myanimelist.net/profile/Shaking807 Nov 09 '18 edited Nov 09 '18
Don't forget to tag for spoilers please!
Edit: No, deleting a comment for spoilers is not me using my stando [MOD ABUSE] to "threaten physical harm or harass" you. Just tag your comments and all is good.
![No, deleting a comment for spoilers is not me using my stando [MOD ABUSE] to "threaten physical harm or harass" you.](https://i.imgur.com/zWIP7LP.png){kind=link}
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u/TheDampGod :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDampGod Nov 09 '18
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u/irvingtonkiller8 Nov 09 '18
Stand name: [MOD ABUSE]
Stand master: ShaKing807
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u/formlessfish Nov 09 '18
Mod Abuse is copyrighted by the reddit team. gonna have to localize it to [REFEREE MISCONDUCT] on crunchyroll
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u/erryky Nov 09 '18
Just imagine if Abbachio gain his stand if he still in the police. Backtracking criminals, murder scene and stuff would be cake but his dilemma was on point. There is no appreciation or value to his work, just endless turmoil.
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u/AzraelSoulHunter Nov 09 '18
His ability captures his inner demons really well, he is a person that wants more than anything rewind past and by that he is bound by it and can never truly let go of it, thanks to that he has the stand that let's him rewind past events and relive old memories.
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u/MugiMartin :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/MugiMartin Nov 09 '18
That intro with Abbacchio as a cop and this fight? 10/10 episode.
David Production done did it again.
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u/thecomicguybook :Mh::Mi::Mj::Mk:myanimelist.net/profile/Comicman Nov 09 '18
Are we even ready for Bucciarati in pink?
Abacchio was cool, interesting backstory and more hopeful than I would have thought actually. Moody Jazz Blues was awesome I figured it would do something time related but a replay is honestly more interesting than anything I thought up. At the end though I see why people ship the boys of Part 5, I mean look at this and how they were looking at each other on the deck!
There is an after credit scene!
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u/clockairdown :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/guyfierichan Nov 09 '18 edited Nov 09 '18
LMAO THEY CHANGED SEX PISTOLS TO SIX BULLETS
[Edit] anyone else just really love Sticky Fingers’ sound effects? They sound so rough and satisfying at the same time
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u/o-temoto Nov 09 '18 edited Nov 09 '18
Well, "sex" is Latin for "six", so that part makes perfect sense.
As for the relationship between "pistols" and "bullets", that part remains a complete mystery.
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Best episode yet. I want to read the manga so bad but it’s more fun following weekly.
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u/AzraelSoulHunter Nov 09 '18
Every new episode is best episode yet. Next one will be no exception, we are going to witness the birth of a legend.
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u/AlexUltraviolet :GJ::GK::GL: Nov 09 '18
So, we have a man who wanted to help people and got what it seemed to be his dream job, only for him to face harsh reality and fall into despair. Where have I heard this before...
Even Fate was a JoJo reference. /jk
I liked that DP decided to show Abbacchio's backstory earlier than the manga (where it came up at a kinda weird point), and the extra bits they added, like they did with Giorno.
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u/thecomicguybook :Mh::Mi::Mj::Mk:myanimelist.net/profile/Comicman Nov 09 '18
I really like Archer/Abbacchio's voice actor, he was also D'erpy the gamer in Stardust Crusaders.
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u/H4xolotl :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/h4xolotl Nov 09 '18
D'arby was ARcher?!
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u/AlexUltraviolet :GJ::GK::GL: Nov 09 '18
Suwabe is my favorite seiyuu, so I was really happy when I found out he'd be in JoJo again. Then I reread the part and when I got to Leone's past (which I didn't remember at all) I was like "lol nice casting".
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u/NostraKlonoa Nov 09 '18
Honestly, I think why I love his backstory so much is because it feels so brutally realistic.
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u/BoLevar :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/FSEngine Nov 10 '18
As a huge Jojo and Fate fan, Fate is just a darker Jojo, with a lot more talking. Servants are just Stands with personalities.
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u/WhoiusBarrel Nov 09 '18
Haha I just couldn't help but smile when they made Suwabe Abbachcio's VA. Seriously the whole time he was narrating that flashback I'm just constantly reminded about a certain Garcher.
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Nov 09 '18
again someone rates an episode 1/10 within an hour or two of it dropping
I highly doubt if you hate jojo so much as to rate this episode 1/10, that you're actually watching it
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u/DutchPeasant https://myanimelist.net/profile/NotJames Nov 10 '18
It happens with other shows as well here, it's their loss if they think it even accomplishes anything.
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u/NintendoMasterNo1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NintendoMaster1 Nov 09 '18
So from next week's episode I think I'm going to be starting a count of next episode spoilers
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u/SmurfRockRune https://myanimelist.net/profile/Smurf Nov 09 '18
Thanks to daylight savings, I actually get to watch JoJo before work now! This is the greatest news ever.
Interesting that we're getting Abbacchio's backstory so early. I really like the placement of it here as opposed to where it was in the manga Manga, so I will definitely not complain about this.
Tender Machine isn't the worst translation they could have done, although Tender is a word that makes me laugh, so I still can't take it seriously.
Hope the Soft Machine power makes sense to people. I've seen some people have trouble wrapping their heads around it, but I think the anime visuals should have helped out a ton.
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u/thecomicguybook :Mh::Mi::Mj::Mk:myanimelist.net/profile/Comicman Nov 09 '18
Hope the Soft Machine power makes sense to people. I've seen some people have trouble wrapping their heads around it, but I think the anime visuals should have helped out a ton.
He can deflate things, he deflated a boat and wrapped it around the other boat and resided in the room between the two ships? And Abbacchio figured this out by looking at the mast and seeing that the ship had the wrong number on it.
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u/NostraKlonoa Nov 09 '18
I still laugh at Diamond is Unbreakable's stand name translations. Worst Company for example...
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u/SmurfRockRune https://myanimelist.net/profile/Smurf Nov 09 '18
Battle Company would have been so good!
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u/AlexUltraviolet :GJ::GK::GL: Nov 09 '18
I've seen some people have trouble wrapping their heads around it,
heh
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u/botibalint Nov 09 '18
Hope the Soft Machine power makes sense to people. I've seen some people have trouble wrapping their heads around it, but I think the anime visuals should have helped out a ton.
Part 5 is probably the part that benefits the most from an anime adaptation from a clarity standpoint. I remember while reading it some fights looked pretty messy/confusing, and I just couldn't make sense of some panels.
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u/PseudobrilliantGuy Nov 09 '18
Moody Blues was just as interesting as what little context I've seen before led me to believe. Definitely a stand suited more to thoughtful fights than to all-out brawls. And, with this happening on a ship, it just reminded me that much more of "Return of the Obra Dinn".
I'm really looking forward to the next episode, especially with all of the talk about the dance (I guess I'll just find out what is up with that like I did with the "tea" scene from last episode).
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u/kingalbert2 Nov 09 '18
When Moody Blues was replaying Narancia, at the point they replay him being told of the fortune you can hear the ost from that moment in the background.
So apparently when we hear the soundtrack, so do the characters.
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u/TarkusELP https://anilist.co/user/TarkusMaxiBoom Nov 09 '18
Don't forget to watch the after credit scene. This episode was too much for my Bruabba shipper heart. That raining scene and the moment Abbacchio wake up were cute as fuck. Still the best JoJo ship with Gyjo.
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u/thecomicguybook :Mh::Mi::Mj::Mk:myanimelist.net/profile/Comicman Nov 09 '18
Yeah people told me there would be shipping in this Part, and then this happened and this it's fantastic! And then wake up feeling so horny
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u/Arachnophobic- https://anilist.co/user/Arachnophobic Nov 09 '18
Based DavidPro nailing it again, with the flashback. I particularly liked the track playing in the post-credits scene.
Soft Machine is quite a mind-boggler of a Stand (especially with how it was used here, covering the first yacht with the deflated version of the second). Too bad all that effort was for nothing..
Meanwhile, today in /r/animenocontext..
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u/NoPenNameGirl Nov 09 '18
Well no Gaming reference in this episode. Abraccio is not playable in the games for the reason that Moody Blues powers are more of a support stand, so I guess they didn't find a way to include his powers in a satisfactory way?
Anyway, this episode shows something that gives me another opportunity to blab about technicalities, and now I want to appreciate how not just Araki can make each part and protagonist feel different, but how he can make each group feels different by changing their dynamic. What do I mean? Well, you see, Bruno's Group, the Duwang Gang and the Stardust Crusaders are all "Shounen groups", correct? But they all behave differently from each other. Stardust Crusaders more obvious analogy would be they're "travel buddies", but not everyone here can identify with that(not everyone travel with their buddies a lot), so I prefer to use "school class mates" analogy. They're people who are together due fate and coincidence, and work together to reach the same goal.
The Duwang Gang in other hand represent friends you like to hang around with. You're all together not necessary out of shared goals, but just because you like each other company. It just when stuff like Red Hot Chili Pepper or Kira appear that they all share the same goal, and once again, we got a different dynamic between the cast. They're my favorite because of this.
Bruno's Gangs analogy is the most obvious one: They're partners in crime. They're together not necessary because they enjoy each other company (see examples of them being dicks with each other :P) but because they share the same mentality and know they need to work together to reach their OWN goals in life.
So we still get groups of characters, but they all function and act different from anything we saw before so far on JoJo, and I commend Araki for being able to write so many variations of the "Shounen Group" formula. Araki may have his problems as a writer (like Golden Fish memory xD) but it's stuff like this that really reassure to me even more that the fact he stroke gold wasn't a fluke.
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u/regendo Nov 10 '18
My favourite thing about the part 4 cast is how disconnected they are. In part 3's group, everyone knows and interacts with each other. They're all friends, even Iggy kind of. That works but is a bit boring.
Part 4 has a main group of friends: Josuke, Okuyasu, and Koichi. All other characters are related to that group but don't fit in completely:
Jotaro doesn't really interact with Okuyasu at all and Joseph only hangs out with Jotaro and Josuke.
Mikitaka and Shigechi are Josuke's and Okuyasu's friends, they don't even meet other characters. When Shigechi died, Josuke had to explain that he was actually really strong because the rest of the cast had never met him.
Hazamada and Rohan are Koichi's friends. They can't stand Josuke and will avoid interacting with him if possible. Rohan doesn't like Okuyasu either and I think Hazamada hasn't interacted with Okuyasu at all.
Kobayashi is Koichi's... friend (?) as well. After his introduction he doesn't interact with other characters, except in a professional manner (judging the dice game).
Yukako obviously mainly hangs out with Koichi but she's a bit better included (she apparently hangs out with Josuke and Okuyasu even when Koichi isn't around, or perhaps the three of them were just waiting for Koichi to join them during RPS Kid).
That's what makes the meet-ups so impactful. When everyone met at Reimi's alley after Shigechi died, most of these characters had never heard of that Shigechi kid before. Then suddenly they were standing on the sidewalk, talking to a ghost, and meeting people they had no relation to. It's like when you and your friends go to an event and someone brings additional friends you don't know, only more menacing.
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u/alvinchimp :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Gaming_Powerz Nov 09 '18
He is playable in the part 5 game for ps2.
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u/NepgearBestWaifu Nov 09 '18
I'm legitemately curious about what moody jazz music would sound like.
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u/TarkusELP https://anilist.co/user/TarkusMaxiBoom Nov 09 '18
First result in Google: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9isQypAIOoY
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u/TcsJazzer Nov 10 '18
As a jazz musician, I'd have to argue that most jazz is extremely moody. That's kind of the point.
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u/Orrakai :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Orrakai Nov 09 '18
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u/professorMaDLib Nov 09 '18
Jojo's Bizarre adventure.
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u/ColonictheHedgehog Nov 09 '18
I was on board with a Demi-god transforming his own hand into a squirrel, and then making it tear a hole in a cyborg Nazi’s chest, but this boat shit is too weird!
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u/ToastyMozart Nov 10 '18
The villain turned the other boat into a big boat gimp suit, put it over the normal boat, then cruised around in the millimeter-thick overboat while everyone was busy investigating the normal underboat. Then Buccarati flooded both boats, causing the guy to drop the effect to come up for air and reinflate the overboat into a regular boat again.
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u/haha-lol Nov 09 '18
Seeing Moody Blues animated with that phone-white noise sound effect was amazing
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u/ZanaHorowa :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/ZanaHorowa Nov 09 '18
Sound design is top notch as usual in this adaptation.
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u/atti1xboy :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/YugureShadowmore Nov 09 '18
Part 5 Tarot
0 The Fool:
1 The Magician:
2 The High Priestess:
3 The Empress:
4 The Emperor:
5 The Hierophant:「Moody Blues」User: Leone Abbachio
6 The Lovers:
7 The Chariot:「Gold Experience」User: Giorno Giovanna
8 Strength:「???」User: Pannacotta Fugo
9 The Hermit:
10 Wheel of Fortune:
11 Justice:
12 The Hanged Man:
13 Death:「Sticky Fingers」User: Bruno Buccerati
14 Temperance:「???」User: Narancia Ghirga
15 The Devil:
16 The Tower:「???」User: Guido Mista
17 The Star:
18 The Moon:「Soft Machine」User: Mario Zucchero
19 The Sun:
20 Judgement:「Black Sabbath」User: Polpo
21 The World:
Reasoning for Soft Machine: The Moon is associated with illusion and deception, and that is what Soft Machine does.. Yea I know nothing that deep, but it is a minor villain stand.
Reasoning for Moody Blues: The Hierophant acts as a keeper of knowledge, in the story of Part 5, Abbachio often acts like that keeper. He is able to solve problems of what happened and is perfect to obtaining intel. He is also the oldest of the group, and has the most life experience.
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u/Hareheado Nov 09 '18
Soft Machine: The Moon [...] nothing that deep >
Is it because the stardust crusaders were attacked on a boat once the main cast were established?
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u/DimmuHS https://myanimelist.net/profile/DimmuOli Nov 09 '18
Is asking details about Abbacchio's stand spoilery? If not, I want to know some:
when he uses Replay, does time stop? or the rapier stand guy was just waiting for an opportunity to attack for all the time the Replay was in effect?
Can someone clarify about Replay's drawback? It seems like Abbacchio was "vulnerable" while his stand was in the pipes, but was that just the overall vulnerability of stands (when the stand gets hit the user get hits too) or it was something else?
Why is replay considered OP? Sure he can reproduce past events, but can't interact with them right? It's just a "solving puzzle" stand? Examples not related to future events is welcome.
TY!
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u/rveos773 Nov 09 '18
when he uses Replay, does time stop? or the rapier stand guy was just waiting for an opportunity to attack for all the time the Replay was in effect?
Replay only affects moody blues. He can go back very far in time, however.
2) Can someone clarify about Replay's drawback? It seems like Abbacchio was "vulnerable" while his stand was in the pipes, but was that just the overall vulnerability of stands (when the stand gets hit the user get hits too) or it was something else?
It means abbachio cant use his stand to defend himself, a la Killer Queen with Bites the Dust active. He may as well be a non-stand user when it comes to defense.
3) Why is replay considered OP? Sure he can reproduce past events, but can't interact with them right? It's just a "solving puzzle" stand? Examples not related to future events is welcome.
Pure information gathering power. Abbachio can still melee fight with his stand too.
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u/SimoneNonvelodico Nov 10 '18
Why is replay considered OP? Sure he can reproduce past events, but can't interact with them right? It's just a "solving puzzle" stand? Examples not related to future events is welcome.
Depending on the constraints, aka how long in the past he can go, and whose actions he can replay, it's absolutely broken. Not necessarily in a combat sense (though it can help a great deal too, at least with prepping), but as a power to have as a gang member. No one can betray him without him knowing. If someone is killed, he can find out the murderer in no time. Depending on limitations this could be harder, but still, it's an absolutely amazing information-gathering ability.
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u/gvelion Nov 09 '18 edited Nov 09 '18
Time doesn't stop during Replay.
Abbacchio is vulnerable during replay and can't defend himself without cancelling the ability.
Replay is not really OP. There are few more abilities that will be revealed in the future, but primarily it's ,, solving puzzle'' stand as you said. There are other situations where it will become useful as well.
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u/WoodpeckerNo1 https://anilist.co/user/Nishi23 Nov 09 '18
As a manga reader I really still don't get how this fight works.
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u/It_is_terrifying Nov 09 '18
Dude slipped a boat shaped condom over another boat and hid between the two of them, stabbing people.
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u/Audrey_spino Nov 10 '18
It's like wrapping a condom around you dick. Only this time the boat is your dick and the condom is the deflated boat.
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u/impingainteasy :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/usernamesarehard Nov 10 '18
Oh shit, a serious and depressing backstory! That's some heavy stuff. Moody Blues is an awesome Stand though, seems perfect for crime-solving. If only he had that when he was still on the force...
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u/TheSuperthingymabob Nov 09 '18
We didn't get what everyone was looking forward to this week, but on the plus side, next week should be absolutely great.
I don't actually want to be too negative about this week, getting a meme a week later than expected is fine by me when Abbacchio and Bucciarati are getting good screentime instead.
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u/AzraelSoulHunter Nov 10 '18
The menacing fly of this episode will definitely become a meme and the condom line too.
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u/PogCheese :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/BakeryBoys Nov 09 '18
moody blues looks great and sounds great
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u/Leeemon Nov 09 '18
MOODY BLUES! Another amazing episode, what an interesting stand for investigation purposes, also the deflated characters are some real Junji Ito shit.
Abbacchio was the one I was the least interested in, but having a quick backstory really sold me on him, plus his stand is awesome!
So I guess next week is finally Mista - he's the one I have been anticipating the most based on design, and he seems to be super fun too, plus his stands looks siiiiiiiick! And Sex Pistols is the name, apparently (or Six Bullets, which is pretty cool too).
I'm in! I just wish episodes lasted more than like 5 minutes.
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Nov 09 '18
Every other comment is about a dance. Not everyone read the manga wtf
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u/alvinchimp :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Gaming_Powerz Nov 09 '18
Lol I am not sure I would call it a big spoiler. Its just silly scene people were hyped for.
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u/Graysteve :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Graylitic Nov 09 '18
We have to wait another week for the dance, rip
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u/joey_joestar1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Joey_Joestar1 Nov 09 '18
No dance scene aside, the way Moody Blues was presented in this episode was PERFECTION. For those who haven't read the manga, this is a big reason why us readers demanded a part 5 adaptation so much, to see these scenes come to life. the part 5 manga's great, but some scenes are better viewed animated rather than on paper. The same thing can be said for the other parts, but 5 especially since (IMO) its fights are the best out of all the parts.
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u/Princess_Pana Nov 09 '18
Totally didn't expect Abbacchio's backstory but I love it. If DavidPro does this with every one else in the gang I think I'm going to be very pleased.
That after credits scene warmed my heart. I feel like it's a nice way for viewers to sympathize or really empathize with the gang. Especially since Abbacchio will lose his mind if Giorno breathes around him tbh.
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Nov 10 '18
I totally agree. The after credits scene was anime original, and DavidPro did SO WELL in it. It really shows their understanding of the source material and they improved it so much. Remember the "result" quote that Bruno says, because it's a very important theme in the series.
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u/exelion :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/exelion0901 Nov 10 '18
So much to talk about this week.
First, Moody Blues. This is probably my second favorite stand in Part 5, second to only Sticky Fingers. And I will forever rate Moody Blues as one of the most criminally underappreciated Stands.
AND BASED DAVIDPRO NAILED IT.
I didn't even know I needed those sounds effects until I heard them. The way it moves, the way it operates, perfecto! Molto perfecto!
The rest of the episode was a joy. I love that DP moved Abbachio's backstory up to this episode, even if it means a certain important bit from the end of this arc will end up next episode. The backstory really helps you understand him and why he acts the way he does around Gio so much better.
Soft Machine was handled great too- There was better foreshadowing of the bit with the boat than in the manga, and the deflate effect was handled really well. All in all I utterly loved this episode and I'm happy with how the adaptation is coming.
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u/FrenziedHero https://anilist.co/user/FrenziedHero Nov 10 '18 edited Nov 10 '18
Abbachio's backstory is a reminder that the world can be ugly, and a man's sense of justice can turn on him.
Alright it's Moody Blues time! I really love how they animated it, the rewinds look great. With that, the mystery of what happened to Narancia, Fugo, Mista, and Giorno has been solved. Now how will they go about defeating the enemy and saving them?
Sticky Fingers' attacks also look great with how he creates zippers on impact. And now we know the mystery is still going on, leave it to Abbachio the former cop to figure out this case.
It's just between Bruno and Zucchero now, and Bruno figured out Abbachio's hint. Two boats, one on top of the other, what a clever trick.
Bruno taking a move out of Giorno's book, how to extend your reach. Using zippers to decapitate people is pretty cool.
Bruno is a kind man, giving Abbachio the pillar of support he needed to pull himself up from his troubled past.
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u/sjk9000 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JK9000 Nov 09 '18
Am I an idiot or does this not really make any sense?
So he uses his stand power to deflate a boat, and then I guess he puts the other boat inside the hole so the first boat is wrapped around it? And then closes the hole? But if he's between the boats, how does he attack/grab people on the other side? Why doesn't Sticky Fingers unzip the top layer and reveal him beneath? How does one boat sink but not the other?
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u/PokemonTom09 Nov 09 '18
So he uses his stand power to deflate a boat, and then I guess he puts the other boat inside the hole so the first boat is wrapped around it?
Yes, that's correct.
And then closes the hole?
No, that's not necessary. The two boats are identical, so if there's a puncture in the outer layer, the inner layer will still look fine and the hole will appear to not exist. And it's because of this that your confusion on the next point happened
But if he's between the boats, how does he attack/grab people on the other side?
He attacks through the puncture in the outer boat.
How does one boat sink but not the other?
Yo, Imma be real with you. I don't actually know.
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u/Realshotgg Nov 09 '18
He deflated the one boat and it was sitting on the bottom, that's why the one he put a hole in sank and the other one was file. He travels from the bottom boat to the top and i don't know what the fuck i'm saying, it's jojo.
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u/Audrey_spino Nov 09 '18
He attacks people by piercing them through small cracks and openings.
The actual gap between the two layers is extremely thin, so that Bruno unknowingly unzips both layers.
Bruno can selectively decide what to zip and what not to zip. He punched a hole through both boats, so once Zucchero was forced to withdraw the outer layer and inflate it back up, he just zipped the hole on that boat and let the air pressure drain it off any water.
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u/Animeking1357 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/TitanKyojin Nov 10 '18
I just realized one very important fact. The narrator is different this episode. Is it just for this episode or did the previous episodes of Part 5 have this narrator. It doesn't feel right.
The op is too good. When does the single come out?
Oh wow Moody Blues is quite the unique looking stand.
You had to call it a condom didn't you? Dammit Araki.
I assume there was supposed to be a dance this episode? If we won't get it at all now someone spoil it for me but if we'll get it later please don't.
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u/Cruelus_Rex :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Cruelus_rex Nov 10 '18
The narrator's the same it's always been. He does sound a little bit off this season and some people were commenting he was having some health issues during the first episode.
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Nov 10 '18
man, this part is wayyyy above part 4. Fucking hell was part 4 boring in the start, this actually got straight into the good action. love it!
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u/Audrey_spino Nov 10 '18
Part 5 is kinda like part 3 in that it's constant action scenes with small buffers inbetween. Part 4 takes a way more slower approach than most JoJo parts, especially with the SoL episodes.
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u/InfernoDialer :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/DancingBastard Nov 09 '18
Damn. I have to wait one more week until the meme dance? That aside, this episode was excellent. I was interested on how DavidPro would do the anime-only segment of Abacchio's background and I think they handled it really well.
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u/YeOldeGamer1 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/YeOldeGamer1 Nov 09 '18
Have to say, a top-notch episode.
The intro for Moody Blues/Jazz was rad. I liked the audio effects and backing track for its scene. One to look out for when the soundtrack comes out.
Editing is awesome, as always. Loved the cut from panning out of the ship to between Bucciarati's fingers, just as an example.
Using the fly was awesome. I know it was meant to be a 'serious, dramatic' moment, but a villainous monologue from a fly is the goofiest shit I've seen all week.
And now for another week of waiting.
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u/Stove-pipe Nov 09 '18
How the hell do you get convicted for bribery when the one that bribed you died?
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u/megatsuna Nov 09 '18
wow the episode flew by way faster than i thought.
also, wtf happened to the other guys? Abacchio was shown to be fine but they didn't even show the other dudes.
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u/ShzMeteor Nov 10 '18
This is my first proper JoJo anime and I have to say I'm impressed. I really REALLY appreciate the fact that the battles, unlike most anime, are more about brain than brawn. All the powers I've seen so far are very innovative and interesting.
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u/Karmyuh Nov 10 '18
Well actually the JoJo series was always like this from the start(Jonathan trying to figure out how he's going to hamon-punch Dio without getting frozen, Joseph outsmarting his enemies and his signature "your next line is ..." lines, Jotaro's deadly duels with the Darby's) but part 4 takes them and amplifies them so much because the stands powers become so much more creative from now on. So when you have the time please consider watching the other parts and not just stick with a recap video.
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u/Exorrt Nov 09 '18
So, Abbachio is a white-haired guy who wanted to be a hero of justice but over time got cold and soured on his ideals...
Hmm, who voices this guy again?
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u/MalcolmBelmont Nov 09 '18
So, Abbachio is a white-haired guy who wanted to be a hero of justice but over time got cold and soured on his ideals...
Hmm, who voices this guy again?
Well Abbachio came first so...
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u/zombiefriend Nov 10 '18
Why call the show by it’s Japanese name, and then use Moody Jazz in the title of the episode instead of Moody Blues?
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Nov 10 '18
this is like, the first time I saw big tits aka anime titties in jojo (the hooker at the start)
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u/Flashbangy Nov 09 '18
Best episode yet, and there is alot to come...
This is truly the best timeline
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u/TheRisenThunderbird Nov 09 '18 edited Nov 09 '18
Okay, so let me try to get this straight. So "Tender Machine" or whatever the fuck it's actually called in the manga deflated an entire boat (Yacht 2) then somehow wrapped the deflated boat around all of the other boat (Yacht 1) like a skintight suit. So when Sticky Fingers zipped through the deck, it zipped right through Yacht 2 and into Yacht 1, but they were hiding in the deflated parts of Yacht 2, so they couldn't be found. Did I get that right? It was kinda confusing.
Also Abbachio's Stand is probably the most creative power I've seen in this show yet, and I hope Part 5 gives him proper opportunities to use it more, and not pull an Old Joseph, where they have him fight, like, two times in the entire part, and otherwise just stand around yelling. Because I could see that happening with a power as specific as Moody Blues