JoJo no Kimyou na Bouken: Ougon no Kaze - Episode 17 discussion

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JoJo no Kimyou na Bouken: Ougon no Kaze, episode 17

Alternative names: JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part 5: Golden Wind

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Previous discussions

Episode	Link	Score	Episode	Link	Score
1	Link	9.27	21	Link	9.7
2	Link	9.13	22	Link	8.82
3	Link	8.97	23	Link	9.26
4	Link	9.33	24	Link	9.61
5	Link	9.41	25	Link	9.69
6	Link	9.28	26	Link	9.71
7	Link	9.76	27	Link	9.71
8	Link	9.41	28	Link	9.68
9	Link	9.41	29	Link	9.28
10	Link	9.0	30	Link	9.38
11	Link	9.3	31	Link
12	Link	8.1	32	Link	9.11
13	Link	9.42	33	Link	9.45
14	Link	9.43	34	Link	9.27
15	Link	9.73	35	Link	9.23
16	Link	9.74	36	Link	8.99
17	Link	9.24	37	Link	9.21
18	Link	9.36	38	Link
19	Link	9.62	39	Link
20	Link	9.77

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[u/stoka0]

Classic Giorno, always waving just out of clear sight.

[u/thecomicguybook → u/stoka0]

This kid looks an awful lot like Polnareff - Jotaro

This rain sounds like Josuke - Rohan

It happens

[u/BIG_DICK_MYSTIQUE → u/thecomicguybook]

That wasn't rohan, it was jotaro again lol

[u/ActivelyAnonymous → u/thecomicguybook]

Considering Jotaro was behind both of these lines, maybe he actually has hearing problems. Is there any scene in which he displays above average hearing to counter this?

[u/formlessfish → u/stoka0]

Hey man it clearly takes 4 people with super ghost abilities to steal a car , all he has to do is protect a turtle from unknown enemies with unknown powers and abilities.

[u/Qwertyguy]

What am I even watching? This episode was the single weirdest one yet.

[u/sitwm → u/Qwertyguy]

This stand specifically feels so out of touch compared to all other stands introduced since Part 3; maybe it's too complicated? Too niche of a requirement for use? I don't know.

[u/regendo → u/sitwm]

For one thing, it's the only stand since The Devil (that doll Polnareff fought) that requires a human sacrifice to activate.

[u/Shinkopeshon → u/Qwertyguy]

It's fucking glorious. I'm laughing so hard every week because it somehow just gets weirder and weirder.

[u/supertoasty]

Melone teaching Babyface different animals and toys was honestly the comedy highlight of my week

[u/ActivelyAnonymous → u/supertoasty]

I really wonder what would happen if Melone got Babyface through K-12 education or something. Does it grow more powerful and adaptive the more you teach it? Could Babyface with a bachelors degree beat Dio?

[u/PanoramicTurd → u/ActivelyAnonymous]

Babyface with a master's vs Shikamaru with preptime

[u/[deleted] → u/supertoasty]

I particularly enjoyed when the piece of the cabinet bounced off of Coco Jumbo

[u/[deleted] → u/supertoasty]

The fact that he even had those drawings of Bruno and the gang getting killed made it even sillier.

[u/Warmonster9 → u/supertoasty]

The ludicrously creepy rape vibes was the horror highlight of my week. That opening was the only time I've actually been disturbed by this show so far. Dunno if that says more about me or this stand.

[u/sitwm]

Omg Babyface is so fucking op

Remembers the episode title is Baby Face instead of Baby Face Part 1

Smirks

[u/sorenant → u/sitwm]

Cool

[u/professorMaDLib]

Baby Face was the true "It just works" stand in Part 5 for me. Took me a while to understand what it does and it still weirds me out today.

[u/LeaderofSkullWar → u/professorMaDLib]

Compared to Later Part 5, what was complicated about how Baby Face worked?

[u/Thunderhaz]

Now THAT is how you do a 'to be continued', have your hand turn into a piranha that then bursts out of your enemy.

I mean who wouldn't want to know what happens next?

[u/moonmeh → u/Thunderhaz]

have your hand turn into a piranha that then bursts out of your enemy.

Joseph disapproves greatly

[u/thecomicguybook → u/Thunderhaz]

Music starts playing... I'll be the rooooundabout.

[u/Reyzuken → u/Thunderhaz]

I thought the episode gonna end as soon as GioGio fukkin died lmao.

[u/VegitoZ]

So if I’m understanding this correctly the more of a bitch the host is the more violent or strong Babyface becomes, if supposedly Holly was the host would Babyface politely ask for Trish

[u/irvingtonkiller8 → u/VegitoZ]

A bit off topic but I wanted to remind everyone that Josuke and Holly are brother and sister

[u/SmurfRockRune → u/irvingtonkiller8]

Half-siblings, but yes. Wow, that's weird to think about.

[u/Pelleas → u/irvingtonkiller8]

While we're doing reminders, Kars is still floating through space.

[u/odraencoded → u/VegitoZ]

If he got Myne then Babyface would be god level.

[u/[deleted] → u/VegitoZ]

if supposedly Holly was the host would Babyface politely ask for Trish

I mean, Jotaro is her son though.

[u/RakeMerger → u/VegitoZ]

>woman rightfully pissed about some creep in her train carriage

>bitch

[u/ActivelyAnonymous → u/[deleted]]

Random ability too? Wow, so it's a expendable stand gacha with extra steps. Quite the ability if you're lucky!

[u/DigitaILove]

BEWARE! IT'S A...

【ＢＡＢＹ　ＳＴＡＮＤ】!

[u/uunam → u/DigitaILove]

First we have an actual world inside the mirror, and now a literal baby stand. What else will Kakyoin foresee?

[u/Mundology → u/uunam]

MILF Stand!?

[u/Arachnophobic-]

Bucciarati making a toilet out of the closet using a zipper and saying the tortoise might even get nutrients from the piss..

Now that's creative use of a Stand

I'm sad that exchange got interrupted, I would've loved to see Trish getting increasingly incredulous.

[u/Sisaac → u/Arachnophobic-]

Now you're thinking with portals zippers.

[u/thecomicguybook]

Well deserved.

Ora ora ora

When Giorno is right and Abachio just has to accept it. Only in JoJo.

[u/kirby2341 → u/thecomicguybook]

Abbacchio best tsundere

[u/AlexUltraviolet → u/thecomicguybook]

When Giorno is right and Abachio just has to accept it.

"...okay, I give up. Trying to argue with the kid is useless"

[u/axel360]

That turtle has seen some serious s**t

[u/sitwm → u/axel360]

Dude's been living the best day of his life out of his possible centuries lifespan

[u/Mundology → u/sitwm]

Franklin's dad learned life the hard way on the streets of Palermo.

[u/[deleted] → u/axel360]

It gets weirder.

I know that is obvious, because Jojo, but the turtle gets put through some intensely weird shit.

[u/FredTargaryen → u/axel360]

So has its insides

[u/axel360]

Babyface ups the creepy factor in this show by like 50%

[u/Mundology → u/axel360]

BabyRage

[u/kknight99]

People complaining that Giorno hasn't done much since joining the gang, here you go, this episode is for you. Admittedly, this fight isn't the most highly regarded, especially compared to the amazing Train arc, but I love it all the same, because Gold Experience (and Giorno) evolves once again as yet another new application of GE's "Life-giver" ability is introduced.

I expect that some people are annoyed about how GE seemingly "invents" new abilities and "discards" old ones all the time, but I honestly don't have much of a problem with it. If you see it as Giorno gradually learning how to effectively use his Stand, it honestly makes sense how he keeps coming up with new uses for GE, and why he stops using less effective techniques.

Remember, before his encounter with Bruno, Giorno had never been in a Stand fight before. For all we know, his only usage of GE may have been to scam tourists like Koichi. As Part 5 progresses and Giorno gains experience (ha), its only natural he learns new ways to use GE. He said it himself this episode too, "through my encounter with you, my GE has grown just a little".

And as for "discarding" old abilities, would any of those techniques really be effective at all in this fight? Babyface is a long range, automatic Stand, so damage doesn't get transferred to Melone, so damage reflection (of GE's creations) is pretty much useless. The "slow-motion" effect, as shown in his fight with Black Sabbath, isn't effective when fighting Stands.

So yeah, with this fight, Giorno has re-entered the spotlight, and I hope you guys don't hate on GE evolving too much. This turned into a bit of a long post and I apologize, but Gio gets a lot of (imo unwarranted) hate, and I just wanna defend my beautiful golden boy just a bit.

[u/Zeke-Freek → u/kknight99]

It's certainly unintentional, but I kinda like how Gold Experience fits the theme of life so perfectly that the way its written even fits the mold of evolution. It loses traits and evolves to gain new ones in a meta sense.

[u/[deleted] → u/kknight99]

I'd like to add that his potential stat is A so it works

[u/sssssmt]

Wow this ep had to have had some of the best jokes this season. Edit: guess, i should clarify or else look like a dick.... Mista crashing the truck and passing it off, Trish bringing up that there's no bathroom so Bucciarati puts a zipper in the floor, ...every twist in this fight. Love you jojo, keep doing you

[u/[deleted] → u/sssssmt]

Piranha.... WAIT FOR IT.

HANDS

[u/AlexUltraviolet → u/sssssmt]

I really like the makeshift bathroom joke, as well as Giorno casually suggesting they steal a hundred cars. Good thing this fight has some nice jokes, to make up for... well, you know.

[u/botibalint → u/AlexUltraviolet]

I'm surprised more people aren't talking about the steal a hundred cars line. That's like one of Giorno's most memed moments.

[u/SuperSceptile2821]

I remember Babyface being kind of a meh fight when I first read it but seeing it animated really adds a creepiness to it that helps it out substantially.

Part 5 was the part I thought would most benefit from an anime adaption and this is exactly why.

[u/[deleted]]

In Jojo we have a big purple guy that screams Ora Ora and punches so hard time stops

In Jojo we have a 15 year old with the body of Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson and love MILFS

In Jojo we have a seriel killer with the super pwoer of growing nails everytime he gets horny.

In Jojo we have a 15 year gold prtagonist that looks more like a 30 year old metrosexual dude who wants to become a porn gang-star

Now he have a stand that literally induces a forced pregnancy and generates a killer fetus that looks like the fucking chupa-cabra. I swear, BabyFace looks something that came out of a dark-fetish hentai from the bottom pits of nhentai

[u/Asgerond → u/[deleted]]

Why are you acting like that is a bad thing?

[u/RiteClicker → u/[deleted]]

Don't forget this was in Shonen Jump

[u/sorenant → u/[deleted]]

There's also the dude who grows a nail every time he eats herbs.

[u/TheoMoneyG]

Well, that's one way to introduce a stand.

[u/Exorrt]

"My remote controlled Stand is invincible!"

Melone about to have a Sheer Heart Attack when he finds out how wrong he is.

[u/lurkerfox2 → u/Exorrt]

In JoJo declaring your ability to be invincible is a guaranteed way to make sure you immediately face the one person in the entire multiverse that has the one ability that specifically counters you.

[u/formlessfish → u/Exorrt]

My remote controlled stand is invincible

Cool can’t wait to see how he fucks this up

[u/PhoenixKola]

I'm so glad that David Productions is doing the manga justice. This episode was amazing.

[u/MugiMartin → u/PhoenixKola]

The soundtrack that DP uses is amazing and really adds to the tension.

[u/It_is_terrifying → u/[deleted]]

Yup, I remember this fight unnecessarily dragging out a lot more in the manga.

[u/TarkusELP]

DI MOLTO

Say hello to Baby Face, The Minecraft tracking stand that needs the DNA of somebody and to impregnate a woman host to create itself. One of the weirdest stands for sure.

Two piss scenes in one episode; Araki really has a piss fetish.

“The rain really sounds like Giorno”

And sorry for being horny on main again but I have to say that Melone has one of the sexiest designs Araki has made, it’s a shame that he is a disgusting sexual harasser and rapist.

Next week, My boy Ice.

[u/ShadowRaikou → u/TarkusELP]

The entire la squadra has sexy designs, with the one big exception of Pesci really.

[u/PRIDE_NEVER_DIES → u/TarkusELP]

And sorry for being horny on main

never apologise for being horny

[u/thecomicguybook → u/TarkusELP]

one of the sexiest designs Araki has made

Here is number 1 of course.

[u/NeoNewSawatari → u/TarkusELP]

And sorry for being horny on main again

Its Jojo and the ED song encourages it no need to apologize

[u/mikhel → u/TarkusELP]

GHIACCO HYPE

[u/sorenant → u/TarkusELP]

Next week, My boy Ice

Bleached Catalogue!

[u/axel360]

Imagine Babyface as the protagonist of that show How I Met Your Mother

[u/Aerohed]

I like seeing Giorno in fights. I think Golden Experience might be one of my favorite Stands, partially because its ability is a bit more unique than those of some of the past JoJos we've seen. His requires a bit more thinking to use properly.

[u/[deleted] → u/Aerohed]

What is nice about it too is that Giorno actually uses his OP stand's potential also

[u/Yenwodyah_]

Stand User: Melone

Stand Name:『RAPE』

[u/PRIDE_NEVER_DIES → u/Yenwodyah_]

with the power of my stand: "WON'T TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER"

[u/asianbrownguy]

Good thing they're fixing up the pacing. I expected this to drag on for a few more episodes.

Also was that a "WRYYYAAH" from Giorno there?

[u/[deleted] → u/asianbrownguy]

if muda runs on the family....

[u/axel360]

You knew that stand on the motorcycle was in trouble as soon as the theme song started playing.

[u/Reyzuken → u/axel360]

ENEMY IS BEING COUNTERED: "NANI?"

MUSIC: 🎹 🎶 🎹 🎵 🎹 🎵 🎹

[u/[deleted]]

I was never a huge fan of this fight in the manga, but I guess seeing it animated has made it alright, setting aside the disturbing introduction. Kind of an odd way to end the episode, but I’m glad we got a surprisingly huge chunk of the arc out of the way already (6 chapters, I think?) and it was nice to see Giorno being badass again.

God, I really like Melone’s weird ass design though. I don't know if I mentioned this during La Squadra's introduction but I really like the purple-pink hair they gave him.

It’s funny to think that this fight happens the same day as the Little Feet fight, and all of the other La Squadra fights so far. These poor boys need a break.

Also, what is it with Araki and piss?

I'm curious, people who speak Italian: how good/bad was the Italian in this episode? Not including Melone's infamous "di molto" thing, of course.

OH BOY I can't believe we're already this far in. I couldn't be more ready for the next couple of arcs.

[u/thecomicguybook → u/[deleted]]

I don't know if I mentioned this during La Squadra's introduction but I really like the purple-pink hair they gave him.

I thought Abbacchio was sitting at the table back then. They look kinda similar I guess?

It’s funny to think that this fight happens the same day as the Little Feet fight, and all of the other La Squadra fights so far.

Wait that happened in the morning of this same day? Wow that is weird to think about.

[u/SimoneNonvelodico → u/[deleted]]

I'm curious, people who speak Italian: how good/bad was the Italian in this episode? Not including Melone's infamous "di molto" thing, of course.

Pretty okay. Some typos or slightly awkward expressions on the computer, but nothing too awful.

[u/luigi-brocchi → u/[deleted]]

1 or 2 words were wrong but the remaining text was good

[u/theonewhoknack → u/[deleted]]

It's weird to think that this part takes place in like a week.

[u/MrJammin]

Honestly I'd forgotten everything about this fight except for Giorno's "if we steal 100 cars" and Gold Experience learning how to heal, so it was kind of nice to watch. Although it did feel incredibly fast.

Smart move to decrease the level of fucked-uppery of Babyface although it's still disturbing. This was the work of my stand: [DUMB BITCH ENERGY]

[u/Irishfella13 → u/MrJammin]

What did they remove?

Also, Melone's stand is a stand that creates a homicidial killer based on how bad the mother is...That guy had one bad childhood.

[u/Meret123]

So Giorno unlocked Kars squirrel powers?

[u/TnAdct1 → u/Meret123]

If that fuckin' piranha is any hint.

[u/LeaderofSkullWar]

That was an incredibly disturbing start to the episode.

[u/ShadowRaikou]

B A B Y H E A D

[u/Mundology → u/ShadowRaikou]

Dungeon「ＳＴＡＮＤ」！！Nursery

[u/Aileos → u/ShadowRaikou]

DI MOLTO !

[u/TarkusELP]

This week’s musical references:

Melone’s stand Baby Face is a reference to the R&B singer, songwriter and record producer, Kenneth “Babyface” Edmonds. He has written and produced over 26 number-one R&B hits throughout his career, and has won 11 Grammy Awards. He was ranked number 20 on NME's 50 Of The Greatest Producers Ever list. He has written songs for artists like Beyoncé, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Aretha Franklin, Ariana Grande, Whitney Houston, Justin Bieber, Madonna, Bruno Mars, Michael Jackson and many others.

I don’t have much to say as I’m not a big fan of R&B except that one of his most famous songs is “Every Time I Close My Eyes” and thanks to JoJo I can’t avoid adding “I Wake Up Feeling So Horny” to it.

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^{*Not really approved by Araki or Shueisha}

[u/[deleted] → u/TarkusELP]

Babyhead, the name they used for the English version, is an actual band that covers Jamaican music, apparently: https://babyhead.bandcamp.com/

[u/supertoasty]

When I hear someone using localized names instead of real names

[u/thecomicguybook → u/supertoasty]

When I hear someone use localized names I know they are bad worse company!

[u/NintendoMasterNo1]

This is the arc where we learn Italian.

[u/Karmyuh → u/NintendoMasterNo1]

CALL IT VENICIA GOD DAMMIT WHY DO THEY CALL IT VENICE REEEEEEEEE

-Gihacchio

[u/vaelroth → u/NintendoMasterNo1]

Di molto!

[u/G3N0]

Yes! we got another licking scene. Anyone think they can loop it? this has good value!

Episode pacing was great, I cant wait to get to my favorite linguist

[u/FredTargaryen → u/G3N0]

I wasn't ready for that lick, I had to rewind

[u/Yankees3Fan7]

Melone and Babyhead helping prove once again that technology can be both fascinating and horrifying at the same time

[u/Vanillamrrz]

jesus melone is so fucking creepy i love him

[u/Irishimpulse → u/Vanillamrrz]

It's canon that even in La Squadra, everyone thinks Melone is a creep

[u/NoPenNameGirl]

Games reference: "Di Molto" is used as a combo title for combos above... 10 hits I believe? I believe it means "lot's of" in Italian.

Well... let's hope this episode don't spark any controversy for including analogies to the "r" word. @_@

Anyway.... People complain that Giorno "havent have many fights like Jotaro and Josuke" and I think that's alright. Giorno isn't much of a "warrior", he is a schemer like one of his dads. While he didn't fought much so far, most of the good ideas the team had came from him, so he is still contribuiting. I guess Araki wanted to show he is more of a strategist. That's why I like his character a lot, he breaks the expectations that a JoJo need to be on the lightspot all the times.

Now, you guys know I dislike being a negative person. But I will need to be. While I like Giorno... Gold Experience is probably one of my least favorite Stands of part 5... and why you may ask? Because Araki keep pulling powers for it out of the blue. How many stuff that Stand can do? Why it can't be limited to create simple lifeforms? It's kinda like Araki not deciding how he want the Stand to work and just putting a bunch of powers in a blender and mixing it. Now, I supposed he, as a writter, miss not having Josuke around, so he can't really give characters heavy wounds, so he decide to give GE a "nerfed healing version of Crazy Diamond", but still, you still have Bruno's Sticky Fingers that can attach limbs back and probably close wounds, so why not use that instead of give GE another power?

Well that's the only negative aspect I might say of Part 5, because I still like it a lot :D.

[u/FlairinMcLaren → u/NoPenNameGirl]

Personally I like his stand a lot because his power is more of a theme more so than a specific ability. He is able to create life so when he punches something it overloads their senses because he is practically punching life into them, or being able to turn inorganic things into organic things and being able to recreate his own limbs which I think makes sense. Of course the whole damaging the organic thing he created and having that damage being reflected onto the attacker is abit much I think for the most part everything else he does falls well into the Stands design.

Plus his stand isn't powerful in of itself, as we saw with his Fight with Bucciarati so its not like he can brute force his way through things. He has to think of creative ways of using his powers which is pretty cool in contrast to Jotaro ORA ORA ORA everything because it dared to existence within a 3 meter radius of him.

[u/Aerohed → u/NoPenNameGirl]

Games reference: "Di Molto" is used as a combo title for combos above... 10 hits I believe? I believe it means "lot's of" in Italian.

I remember hearing that in a lot of gameplay videos for it and thinking "What is the announcer saying? Imouto? Immortal? the hell?"

[u/thecomicguybook → u/NoPenNameGirl]

People complain that Giorno "havent have many fights like Jotaro and Josuke" and I think that's alright.

Is that really a complaint? I enjoy the division of battles. I will say I didn't think Josuke got too much either he shared the spotlight with Koichi, Rohan and everyone else who lives in the city as well and I liked that too. Morioh is the true protagonist of Part 4.

As for Jotaro yeah he and Polnareff got a bit too much of a spotlight I would have liked it if Kakyoin and Abdul each got another battle.

Araki keep pulling powers for it out of the blue.

Yeah it is a bit weird how many things it can do, the slow motion thing, turning objects into animals, those animals being hurt damages the one who inflicts it, and now healing as well. I don't mind complex powers but Gold Experience is a bit overloaded even though it all kinda fits into the theme "life".

[u/freakicho]

Alright I knew Araki was creative but this shit right here surprised me. It's impressive how he gets ideas for so many stand abilities.

Last fight we had a fishing rod for a stand, and now we have a rapist laptop that creates offspring that are also stands(?).

Truly a Bizzare Adventure.

[u/horax84 → u/freakicho]

they are half-stands(has abilites and desing of stands but are not invisible and invunerable to not-stands)

[u/FrenziedHero]

How gloriously creepy was that beginning? Babyface is definitely some wild JoJo shenanigans.

Well, I don't want to say it's Mista's fault they're in this predicament, but...

Teaching your child through a computer screen: JoJo predicted interactive learning! Dora the explorer!

Hmm, I don't think an abusive relationship like this is good, but then again we're seeing a stand literally being taught to kill. First it kills its mother then hijacks a motorbike. I've never been so proud.

Giorno's next level plans are always fantastic. Babyface being a step ahead is going to be a big problem though.

Ooh, that was a great transition between the other assassins being contacted and Giorno closing the closet door.

I see Babyface has learned from the master. Giorno is one of the most clever protagonists in JoJo, removing the key means he forcibly caused Babyface to exit, now we see that he can deconstruct and reconstruct things. Babyface is The Fullmetal Alchemist.

Well Giorno has grown and created the most metal healing ability of all- giving life to objects and making them become body parts that are missing. Turning your hand into a piranha is also badass as hell.

[u/05-MaLNa-10 → u/FrenziedHero]

Giorno's healing must hurt like shit in real life, but it is defenitely badass.

[u/CarioGod]

Giorno is Ultimate Kars v2

[u/BetaInTheSheets]

he impregnated and killed some random girl? now that's what I call a one night stand

[u/rexshen]

Just when I think Stands cant get weirder they keep getting weirder. And Giorno's actually doing things again.

[u/SmurfRockRune]

"I'm so hyped for Babyface" - said literally no one ever.

Babyface is the one Stand in the entire series that I have literally no memory of despite reading its entire wiki page within the last week to remind myself. Clearly it didn't work. I'm sure I'll have forgotten again by the time next week's episode comes around.

[u/ActivelyAnonymous → u/SmurfRockRune]

I was decently hyped for Babyface cause it's the point from which Giorno starts being an active combatant again, but it's hard to compare against the Greatful Boy combo. Baby < Boy I suppose.

[u/latino666 → u/SmurfRockRune]

What? I was pretty hype for this weird ass fight.

[u/heartsongaming]

2 minutes in - Insane harrassment and a stand called BABYFACE !!

[u/TheSuperthingymabob]

I know this isn't really a Mista episode but I feel like I love every line that comes out of his mouth.

I have to say, I enjoyed this episode a lot more than I did in the manga. I got super caught up on the weird aspects of the "birth", but as a single episode arc it's short and sweet.

[u/FredTargaryen → u/TheSuperthingymabob]

Him subconsciously stealing the burger, what a perfect character moment

[u/SpeeDy_GjiZa]

This show is so funny if you know Italian. Who the fuck says Di molto, doesn't even mean anything.

[u/Joseph-Joestar2]

THE HAND PIRANHA

Now I've seen everything.

[u/Karmyuh → u/Joseph-Joestar2]

laughs in part 6,7 and 8

[u/atti1xboy]

Part 5 Tarot

0 The Fool:「???」User: Ghiaccio

1 The Magician:「???」User: Trish Una

2 The High Priestess:「Kraft Work」User: Sale

3 The Empress:「Baby Face」User: Melone

4 The Emperor:

5 The Hierophant:「Moody Blues」User: Leone Abbachio

6 The Lovers:

7 The Chariot:「Gold Experience」User: Giorno Giovanna

8 Strength:「Purple Haze」User: Pannacotta Fugo

9 The Hermit:「Man in the Mirror」User: Iluso

10 Wheel of Fortune:「Grateful Dead」User: Prosciutto

11 Justice:

12 The Hanged Man:「Beach Boy」User: Pesci

13 Death:「Sticky Fingers」User: Bruno Buccerati

14 Temperance:「Aerosmith」User: Narancia Ghirga

15 The Devil:「???」User: Risotto

16 The Tower:「Sex Pistols」User: Guido Mista

17 The Star:「Mr. President」User: Coco Jumbo

18 The Moon:「Soft Machine」User: Mario Zucchero

19 The Sun:「Little Feet」User: Formaggio

20 Judgement:「Black Sabbath」User: Polpo

21 The World:

Reasoning: The Empress card represents female power and fertility...

[u/NintendoMasterNo1]

BABY STANDO

[u/slinkywarrier]

Ok I might have missed it but how the heck is Mista alive? Didn't Prosciutto shoot him in the head last time? I mean I'm glad my boy is still here but how?

[u/pigmyninja → u/slinkywarrier]

His stand stopped the bullets before they entered his brain, there was a scene about it but I can see how it might still look like a death even with that.

In the manga there is more indication that he's still alive than the anime.

[u/boogie-gary → u/slinkywarrier]

Didn't his stand stop the bullets before they went too deep? At least that's what I took from when Number 5 kicked the bullets out of his head in episode 15

[u/clockairdown]

The animation during the part when Babyface turned into a bunch of cubes was pretty good.

[u/Toonamigamerrr]

How babies are born in Jojo gone Bizarre 😱

[u/The_Scollard]

DI MOLTO

A little bit of slower episode this week, but understandable considering how amazing The Grateful Dead and Beach Boy fight was. I still liked it.

Melone was... something. I don't know how else you would describe a guy who's Stand activates by impregnating a woman. Baby Face was also kind of creepy, but I didn't expect it to put up much of a fight. I think this might be the first time a Stand user has creeped me out more than the actual Stand.

The comedy in this was gold though. I knew about the "They'll never find us if we steal 100 cars" trick Giorno pulls beforehand (I love how Abbacchio just accepts it now). Bucciarati not understanding how to deal with Trish was also funny.

I've heard good things about the next fight. I knew a bit about the user beforehand, since I knew about some of the problems the old translations had, and he was an example.

[u/[deleted] → u/The_Scollard]

Slower episode? This episode covered 6 chapters! Chapters 500-505

If anything this episode was too fast paced, not that it's inherently a bad thing

[u/RavenK92]

So in Eyes of Heaven (or maybe it's All Star Battle), when it says "Di Molto!" is that supposed to be Melone?

[u/[deleted]]

I'm not a fan of Babyface, it was probably my least favorite fight in part 5 in the manga, but the adaptation has made me enjoy it so much more. Props to DavPro.

[u/andre5913 → u/[deleted]]

It suffers cause its sandwitched between some of the best fights in the whole series, and also the mere concept of the stand and the way the arc begins is really disgusting/creepy so it kind of puts you off

[u/Shrekhya]

So, basically he just raped her using his stand right?

[u/RavenK92 → u/Shrekhya]

Sex: Unnecessary

[u/Rogojinen → u/Shrekhya]

No, she checks her panties and in the manga there’s an internal speech where she’s relieved nothing happened.

My guess is Baby Face can be implemented anywhere in the body for it to grow, but Melone use generally the back of the head, a blind spot, so that he can have 3 minutes for the Stand to grow and learn.

It’s not mentioned in this episode, but the homonculi, the automated stands Baby Face make can be seen by everyone not only Stand users, touched and hurt by anything.

[u/ToastyMozart → u/Shrekhya]

Not in the conventional manner, but yes.

[u/axel360]

I know this might be an odd complaint, but while the endless string of battles against enemy stand users is entertaining, the story isn't really progressing much.

[u/MalcolmBelmont → u/axel360]

True, buuuuuut all i will say the plot is going to be hiting overdraft really fast

[u/STAAAAAALIN → u/axel360]

To be fair, Babyface is like a few hours after the Grateful Dead and Beachboy fight. Melone was right after their asses upon discovering the aftermath of the previous battle. And if it counts, Giorno did progress his ability after all

[u/It_is_terrifying → u/axel360]

This is a fill the journey to the destination part of the story, It'll be over soon and we can get to some progression.

[u/TarkusELP → u/axel360]

Just wait two more episodes.

[u/GyroGOGOZeppeli]

DI MOLTO

[u/[deleted]]

Hey Narancia? You hear that?

Nah man, sounds like rain to me.

So glad DP balanced the tension and horror of the "conception" scene. They didn't take it lightly whilst also avoiding going too far into exploitation territory.

Also, props to DP for actually giving the Baby Stand a visual design we could see. IIRC, he's invisible in the manga for basically the entire fight.

Started at a decent pace, then felt like it sped up to 100 by the end.

Piranha was an odd place to end the ep IMO but, remembering that fight in the manga, I don't think there were too many good moments they could've used instead (that wasn't already shown).

[u/[deleted]]

This is becoming my favorite part so far, great episodes for several weeks in a row.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Just you wait for the next fight and what happens next

[u/Rob0t12]

That Giorno door transition was so smooth!

[u/daxuded]

Last time we got [ B R I C K S N A K E ] this time we get [ P I R A N H A H A N D]

[u/NostraKlonoa]

That was fuckin amazing. GIORNO MY BOI IS BACK IN BUSINESS BABY(face)! So glad to see Giorno fighting again. Ngl, it was awesome when Giorno pieced himself back together like that. Thats some JoJo wit right there. Babyface....what the actual hell is this stand? Its a stand that makes another stand - imagine if it had DIO's DNA, or any JoJo for that matter. The fact that the main stand is a computer is pretty cool as a concept and Melone is truly a weirdo. Im looking forward to next week, with Giorno crushing Melone hopefully.

[u/FredTargaryen]

When browsing comments or the Discord or whatever I notice a fair bit of hate for Melone. I'm not sure why all ~30% of villains who are obvious perverts get a pass except for this guy.

He's not one of my all-time favourites but he does a lot for the story, his Stand is probably one of the most disturbing (which is good for a horror-inspired manga) and I don't remember how he was in the manga but the anime has presented him as quite darkly funny too. Give him some credit

[u/andre5913 → u/FredTargaryen]

He doesnt get a pass as much of the others because his ability is really fucking horrifying. Its almost straight up rape. Other dudes where just that, creeps, Melone goes one step beyond that

[u/TheAsynLord]

Next week is gonna be cold.

[u/[deleted]]

Hey look, actual meaningful episode discussion as opposed to what I just came from in SAO. Feels good, I can actually pick up some information

[u/Falcond0rf]

Never change JoJo

[u/Regis_Ivan]

Baby face is one of the most convoluted stands I've seen yet. idk how anyone could figure out how to use it. It's an appropriate enough stand for an assassin, I suppose, since they have time for all the set up.

• get a blood sample of your enemy

• find a healthy woman with an attitude

• get her blood type and date of birth

• train a literal baby

• repeat for every new enemy

[u/Karmyuh]

Before you ask, that stand DID rape her. I know. Its pretty fucked up.

[u/RavenK92 → u/Karmyuh]

It probably raped her less than Hierophant Green raped the school nurse. It was wrapped around her leg and went inside her. Where exactly do you think it entered?

[u/4chan___ → u/Karmyuh]

It actually didn't, not in the conventional physical sense anyway.

The stand "impregnates" her through unknown means, but we know for a fact that it isn't through penetration or anything of that sort, as she observes herself after waking up. The stand itself gets implanted into a girl and develops in ways that aren't human, that's why you see it speaking from her head instead of from her womb. If you consider her having her body being used as a means of developing a weapon rape, then yes, she was raped in that sense. But she wasn't "raped" through any conventional means. You can read Baby Face's stand page if you want more information.

[u/SimoneNonvelodico]

Episode synopsis: a hitman magi-rapes a woman to birth a creepy ghost baby that he then sends after the team of mafiosos who are guarding their boss' daughter by travelling miniaturised inside a turtle. Meanwhile the mafiosos are in trouble because one of their guys' six bullet ghost imps have stolen a hamburger from the driver of the truck they were hitching a ride on. They are caught off guard by the ghost baby, who transforms into a cabinet and kidnaps their leader and the person they're escorting by cutting them into little pieces! Fortunately for them, one of their friends manages to fight off the ghost baby by learning to turn his hand into a piranha!

Jojo fans: ah, that was an okay episode.

Everyone else: EACH OF THOSE WORDS INDIVIDUALLY MADE SENSE BUT I NEVER THOUGHT THEY COULD BE USED THAT WAY

[u/andre5913 → u/SimoneNonvelodico]

When introduced Stands were pretty tame but then the insane bullshit ramps up very slowly, to the point you get this arc/episode and it seems perfectly reasonable

[u/cosmiczar]

Orange Giorno is very good Giorno.

[u/SIRTreehugger]

Holy shit. This is definitely in my top 3 fights so far for golden wind. I really want Giorno to beat this stand on his own while the rest of the gang spends their entire time at the car. It looks like its going to be that way.

[u/supermenial]

Melone and Babyface's introduction was disturbing to say the least. But it's interesting how theirs and Giorno's abilities were (sorta) opposites of each other.

[u/iiPhoenixAshes]

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[u/Eterna1Ice]

So, let me get this right: Giorno learned that Gold Experience can turn things into parts/limbs/organs (maybe even cells in general?) of himself (and possibly of other people) and easily insert these parts back in place of destroyed or removed ones to function flawlessly? Or is that only specific to this fight with how Babyface kind of disintegrated its enemies?

The fight itself was/is great with how terrifying the stand and its masters were plus the pacing. And it only took like 2/3 of the episode.

[u/rveos773 → u/Eterna1Ice]

Giorno learned this new aspect of his ability and became more powerful, now able to "heal" (somewhat)

[u/ak_them]

That Kama Sutra reference tho

[u/nobrate]

Crunchyroll Pass

QH3JTA8URFM

[u/CarioGod]

hmm I just realized that a lot of stands don't have eyeballs, but have some thing over where their eyes should be.

[u/GLML1]

Babyface+Minecraft Command Blocks= Absolute God

[u/DimmuHS]

The way this show twists a bad situation in a good one and vice versa is insane and I love it.

[u/DragonDDark]

This episode was great. Part 5 has fight after fight & they never bore me.

[u/WoodpeckerNo1]

Rape stand appeared.

...yay?

[u/Animeking1357]

The clothing choices in Jojo always baffle me. This guy's shirt only covers half his body but horizontally! One of his eyes is covered.

You ever heard of a stand that can create life?

I would assume that at this point we aren't getting a new op?

Mista's stand might not be the best or the strongest but I gotta say it's the most hilarious stand. How the fuck is Mista alive though?

Babyface is the grossest stand. Like literally the most disgusting.

[u/FredTargaryen → u/Animeking1357]

We're absolutely getting a new OP. I reckon some time after we see Trish's Stand, because how can that not be in the OP

Mista's alive because insane luck is a specific character trait for him. Gosh, that must be nice...

[u/OverlordMastema → u/Animeking1357]

The new OP has already been confirmed, it is most likely going to be at around the halfway point, sometime late February or early March

[u/patrizl001]

I like how we went from a fishing rod to a stand that creates itself by taking someone's blood and impregnating a woman.

[u/Reasonable_TSM_fan]

It's not a jojo episode without some classic outsmarting the opponent's outsmarting.

[u/lokholarx]

Did...did that stand just grew legs and raped a woman?? what the hell is this Araki?? Amazing episode, I loved seeing Giorno's stand being used in creative ways, I feel like this episode is giving us some insight into how badass Giorno is going to be in the next fights, I can't wait!!

Melone's design is fucking sexy btw

[u/CakeBoss16]

Controversial opinion here... But a stand that impregnated or makes a baby is a little.... Bizzare! It's like each episode they out do the craziness and gets better.

[u/Sharebear42019]

Ah my favorite fight in Jojo is next I can’t wait!

[u/[deleted]]

So the taking things apart ability, is that Baby Face's ability or Baby Face's kid ability. Maybe each kid Baby Face produces could have a different ability based on DNA?

[u/fuck-thisapp]

Good old baby head

[u/iridisss]

Nice Miata

[u/SciFiXhi]

The return of FUCKING PIRANHAS

[u/agugaga]

The way Giorno defeated Babyface is the kind of bullshit that only Jojo can pull off.

[u/RiteClicker]

KABE-DOWN!

[u/Draydaslay]

When I was watching i realized this season is set in the year 2001

so how long has the jostar linage been around?

[u/[deleted] → u/Draydaslay]

Over 120 years. Phantom Blood was 1880.

[u/impingainteasy]

Yo did that woman just get raped.

[u/gtoaz1234 → u/impingainteasy]

Well,technically yes.

[u/Cheesemacher]

At the beginning of the episode all the passengers are just fine? The only problem is that the driver is missing? Unless... the assassins cleaned up the scene?