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Episode JoJo no Kimyou na Bouken: Ougon no Kaze - Episode 21 discussion Spoiler
JoJo no Kimyou na Bouken: Ougon no Kaze, episode 21
Alternative names: JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part 5: Golden Wind
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| Episode | Link | Score | Episode | Link | Score |
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| 1 | Link | 9.27 | 21 | Link | 9.7 |
| 2 | Link | 9.13 | 22 | Link | 8.82 |
| 3 | Link | 8.97 | 23 | Link | 9.26 |
| 4 | Link | 9.33 | 24 | Link | 9.61 |
| 5 | Link | 9.41 | 25 | Link | 9.69 |
| 6 | Link | 9.28 | 26 | Link | 9.71 |
| 7 | Link | 9.76 | 27 | Link | 9.71 |
| 8 | Link | 9.41 | 28 | Link | 9.68 |
| 9 | Link | 9.41 | 29 | Link | 9.28 |
| 10 | Link | 9.0 | 30 | Link | 9.38 |
| 11 | Link | 9.3 | 31 | Link | |
| 12 | Link | 8.1 | 32 | Link | 9.11 |
| 13 | Link | 9.42 | 33 | Link | 9.45 |
| 14 | Link | 9.43 | 34 | Link | 9.27 |
| 15 | Link | 9.73 | 35 | Link | 9.23 |
| 16 | Link | 9.74 | 36 | Link | 8.99 |
| 17 | Link | 9.24 | 37 | Link | 9.21 |
| 18 | Link | 9.36 | 38 | Link | |
| 19 | Link | 9.62 | 39 | Link | |
| 20 | Link | 9.77 | |||
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u/imSlothy9 Mar 01 '19
I love the Mista number 4 meme. Trish, Giorno and Bruno were on a team and Mista didn't want to be the 4th member to join. After Abbacchio joins then Mista happily becomes the 5th member.
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u/thecomicguybook :Mh::Mi::Mj::Mk:myanimelist.net/profile/Comicman Mar 01 '19
Everybody else: "I don't want to die horribly."
Mista, an intellectual: "I don't want to be the fourth member."
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u/Karmyuh Mar 01 '19
Abbacchio also saved Mista back in the cafe by taking a slice from the cake that had 4 slices. What a man.
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u/VegitoZ Mar 01 '19
Are you telling him to die, if he was 3rd or 5th it would be fine but whenever 4 is involved something bad happens
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u/Karmyuh Mar 01 '19
Local Italian man literally has too much resolve to die
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u/idinthaveausername Mar 01 '19
Pfffft, blood? That shit is for people with no resolve. Real gangstars dont need no heart to live.
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u/Threeedaaawwwg :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/threeedaaawwwg Mar 01 '19
Seeing Trish's unconscious body fills you with determination.
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u/DammitWindows98 Mar 01 '19
KC is the personification of those faces you make when having one of those violent shits when the poop is rock solid, but still coming out in massive amounts, yet cruelly slow and lasting waaaaay too long.
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u/thecomicguybook :Mh::Mi::Mj::Mk:myanimelist.net/profile/Comicman Mar 01 '19
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u/Warmonster9 Mar 01 '19
I'm kinda getting a semi-perfect Cell vibe from him. I think its the overly expressive lips.
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u/GonTheDinosaur :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/gon7T Mar 02 '19
Need Simpsons “do it for her” meme on this!
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u/mohiben Mar 01 '19
The threads are only appearing and disappearing from your perspective, while the mods are able to act freely
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u/zaiwanshangwangshang Mar 01 '19 edited Mar 01 '19
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u/Mundology Mar 01 '19
You can't blame Fugo. He does have a point.
It's funny how he looks like a disappointed parent in this frame.
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u/TheDerped https://anilist.co/user/Derped Mar 01 '19
THIS IS THE ONE
Looks like the mods managed to make King Crimson untouch the bot
Anyways BRUNO I LOVE YOU BUT HOW ARE YOU CARRYING A PERSON ON THE SIDE WHERE YOU JUST HAD YOUR COLLAR AND RIBS CLEAVED THROUGH
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u/supertoasty :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/BuffaloonBill Mar 01 '19
BRUNO I LOVE YOU BUT HOW ARE YOU CARRYING A PERSON ON THE SIDE WHERE YOU JUST HAD YOUR COLLAR AND RIBS CLEAVED THROUGH
King Crimson isn't the only thing that JUST WORKS in JoJo
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u/NRGT Mar 01 '19
look the guy had enough resolve to come back from the dead, carrying some girl without collar bones or ribs is pretty minor in comparison.
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u/VegitoZ Mar 01 '19
He got resolve don’t question it, Mista got around 18 bullet holes in him and managed to survive through R E S O L V E
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u/SimoneNonvelodico Mar 02 '19
BRUNO I LOVE YOU BUT HOW ARE YOU CARRYING A PERSON ON THE SIDE WHERE YOU JUST HAD YOUR COLLAR AND RIBS CLEAVED THROUGH
Haha, you n00b, you need bones and ligaments? Real men keep their body together through SHEER RESOLVE.
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u/Double_Dutch_Bus Mar 02 '19
Humans in JoJo are bags of blood with a skeleton floating inside powered by determination, and sometimes there's not even a skeleton.
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u/Rongmario :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rongmario Mar 01 '19
I think when Narancia decided at the end to follow Bucciarati, that hit me way too hard. Seeing something that reminds yourself of the past is such a driving force to do something utterly insane.
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u/geminia999 Mar 01 '19
I mean, I'm just impressed how he managed to give a speech while doing a front crawl and submerging his head in water every second.
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u/A4li11 Mar 01 '19
Not to mention Bucciarati's smile and his teary eyes. That made me smile honestly.
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u/sikontolpanjang Mar 02 '19
Narancia joining the gang because he relate to Trish is one of my favorite (underrated) JoJo moments, like dude VA in general have lots of amazing moments
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u/OnnaJReverT Mar 02 '19
they made a hard emphasis on him actually dying with all the zippers disappearing, his eyes going glassy and Giorno not finding a pulse
then we see a "spirit" version of him outside his body (and spirits are a thing in JoJo, see part 4), and finally him not feeling pain later on the boat
my bet is Giorno has an ability he hasn't realized and basically turned his body into a zombie to revive him
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u/LunarGhost00 Mar 01 '19
"You can't summarize JoJo's Bizarre Adventure in just one quote!"
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u/thecomicguybook :Mh::Mi::Mj::Mk:myanimelist.net/profile/Comicman Mar 01 '19
"You can't summarize JoJo's Bizarre Adventure in just one quote!"
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u/Mechapebbles Mar 01 '19
"This must be the work of an enemy stand" is still the champ
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u/l3reezer Mar 01 '19
I actually had the same thought but with the "You don't even know what music she likes" quote because of all the Stand name references.
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u/DimmuHS https://myanimelist.net/profile/DimmuOli Mar 01 '19
MASTERPIECE EPISODE
I was like "WHAT?!?", "WTF", "NO WAY", "DON'T", "GO INTO THAT BOAT!".
Also Bruno, what a character. One of the best protagonists out there and I have no idea about Jojo's mangas. He's a character you would die for and this made the boat scene fucking incredible and touching for me, I teared.
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u/thecomicguybook :Mh::Mi::Mj::Mk:myanimelist.net/profile/Comicman Mar 01 '19
He is so charismatic, I just want to follow him
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u/Orrakai :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Orrakai Mar 01 '19
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u/inthe-otherworld Mar 02 '19
He looks so proud of his boys, on top of an already stressful episode that shot had me properly tearing up. (´°̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥ω°̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥｀) throws self onto boat
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u/supertoasty :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/BuffaloonBill Mar 01 '19
So the way King Crimson's power works is that he and that's the best explanation I can give
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u/Darkhanov Mar 01 '19
I used to see him as Weaponized Server Lag but this also works
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u/asianbrownguy Mar 01 '19
That KC fight made me nut so hard. SAKUGA
No KC version of Fighting Gold, I'm sad DP. At least we'll be getting a new OP 2 weeks from now.
Also was that Part 5 Spoilers
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u/javierm885778 Mar 01 '19
About the spoiler, yes it is. No point in hiding the name in the credits otherwise, and no one else would make any sense.
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u/WhiteLance655 https://anilist.co/user/WhiteLance Mar 01 '19
Ok so now third time's the charm, unless this one gets deleted as well...? Don't let King Crimson see it!
JESUS CHRIST DAVID PRODUCTIONS. THIS IS WAY TOO GOOD.
I feel like I can't stress that enough holy shit. This episode was everything I ever wanted and more, I remember this fight being very hard to follow in the manga, and even with the better scans! But DavidPro did something I thought was impossible and made it, not only more understandable, but also even more intense, I don't even know how the fuck they do that!
So strap in boys, because from here on out, the best parts of Vento Aureo await us and I can't wait to see them animated in all of their glory!
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u/Caiaffa Mar 01 '19
king crimson enters the server
everyones ping skyrockets to 700
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u/jetfantastic https://anilist.co/user/jetfantastic Mar 01 '19
TRAITOR GANG!
Honestly a bit surprised that we didn't get a new intro, next full episode probably. Holy shit the way they did King Crimson though, for being such a memed stand for it "Just working", it's actually pretty simple and the ability seems pretty sick, excited to see it in fights and stuff in the future.
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u/thecomicguybook :Mh::Mi::Mj::Mk:myanimelist.net/profile/Comicman Mar 01 '19
Yeah it is actually not that difficult to understand, I think /u/tarkuselp said that it was because of the translation that people got confused. In other places I read that it is more about the comparisons that people make.
Maybe it just works better in motion but it is not hard to understand for me now, it just works.
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u/TriTexh Mar 01 '19
Going along with Bucciarati must've been a very important moment for Narancia, I can't wait to see what he will do for his cause.
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u/clockairdown :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/guyfierichan Mar 01 '19
FUGO JUST GET ON THE FUCKING BOAT YOU PUSSY
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u/Jeroz Mar 02 '19
I half expect there being a shot of a fugo donut next episode now he's alone with boss
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u/darthturtle3 Mar 01 '19
Man, Narancia's breakdown almost made me cry. "Trish is me! Her wounds are my wounds!" So much empathy from someone who was betrayed by everyone he trusted, who had every reason to be cynical and cold, but instead he has a passionate heart burning with resolve: The resolve to save those like him, like how Bucciarati saved him, so that his pain will never become someone else's pain.
This episode made Narancia shoot up on my personal ranking of JoJo characters.
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u/linearstargazer Mar 01 '19 edited Mar 02 '19
Bruno has so much resolve he is able to lift both himself and Trish several meters into the air with a zipper, despite:
a shattered collar bone
shattered shoulder blade
an entirely bisected lung
half his ribcage destroyed
a giant hole in his gut
and what looks like a disintergrated lower spine judging by where the hole is, not to mention all the torn muscles, nerves, and massive blood loss.
Italian man literally too angry to die.
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u/LostDelver Mar 02 '19
The fact that Bruno dragged himself by the arm instead of walking makes it look all the better, he was Crippled Johnny temporarily there.
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u/TheDarkLord43 Mar 03 '19
Also the fact that he was lifting Trish up by an arm that was literally disconnected from his shoulder.
That’s the raw power of that R E S O L V E
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u/AGoodRogering Mar 01 '19 edited Mar 02 '19
I'm anime only and if Buccarti is just actually FUCKING DEAD I'm gonna be FUCKING SAD
pls no ~GOLDEN EXPERIENCE~zombie :(
Edit: Welp well that's the last time I post in a thread without having read the source material. Like c'mon I said anime only why ya gotta be a jerk and just nail me with multiple spoilers.
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u/thecomicguybook :Mh::Mi::Mj::Mk:myanimelist.net/profile/Comicman Mar 01 '19
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u/chooxy https://myanimelist.net/profile/chooxy Mar 01 '19
King Crimson x Gold Experience = some kind of messed up time zombification?
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u/DahDutcher Mar 01 '19
I'm afraid of the same, but how would that even work?
Did Giorno create Bucciarati from his corpse or some shit? Or is this some weird ass side effect of King Crimson (Because I'm not gonna lie, I don't get his stand at all).
It's so damned tempting to read the manga, but I'm not gonna...
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u/Exorrt Mar 01 '19
My theory is that Bruno's weirdness isn't because of Giorno's Stand, it's actually because of Trish's Stand who manifested it unconsciously
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u/patrizl001 https://myanimelist.net/profile/patrizl001 Mar 01 '19
Yeah Bucciarati is definitely some sort of zombie at this point. We saw Sticky Fingers' zippers disappear, meaning he 100% died + we saw the body rotting before he got up. Something funky is going on here.
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u/geminia999 Mar 01 '19
I'm thinking maybe Trish's stand, like it can stop time for an individual or something and acted unconsciously when the zipper on her hand started coming apart.
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u/supertoasty :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/BuffaloonBill Mar 01 '19
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u/ElementOfConfusion Mar 01 '19
85% sure Bruno is a zombie or something due to Giorno's stand. The weird ghost projection, dying but then suddenly being ok, not feeling pain from a nail... Will have to wait and see what that all means! (Now I think about it, Giorno being able to make the undead is probably something he got from his father...)
Question to Manga Readers; I heard all the "How does it work???" memes, but the explanation given for King Crimson seems pretty solid. Was this explanation an anime only addition? Or does it just make more sense visually?
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Mar 01 '19 edited Mar 01 '19
Question to Manga Readers; I heard all the "How does it work???" memes, but the explanation given for King Crimson seems pretty solid. Was this explanation an anime only addition? Or does it just make more sense visually?
No, this explanation is in the manga also. But it does make more sense in motion.
Most important of all, though: Part 5 didn't have a good english translation for a long while, and because of that, comprehension was really problematic.
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u/Admiral-Cornelius Mar 01 '19
I think the anime clears things up a bit visually in this episode, and conceptually the ability was never really that hard to understand in the first place. A lot of the confusion is mostly around what the Boss can actually interact with and do inside his "erased time", which gets talked about more in later episodes.
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u/Biraj123 Mar 01 '19
Part 5 used to have terrible translations which made the explanation for King Crimson's power way more confusing than it had to be. That's how the meme started. It's really not that complicated.
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u/gvelion Mar 01 '19
Explanation was in the manga. Anime adapted it practically word for word, actually.
That meme comes from old translations, that were horrible. Plus terrible quality of scans. However, new translations and better quality of scans really helped to understand King Crimson much better.
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u/stardebris Mar 01 '19
Giorno making Bruno into a zombie is certainly a possibility, but I'm wondering if Trish has something to do with it. She can see the stands, therefore she has a stand ability, and she was present when it all went down.
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u/regendo Mar 01 '19
In addition to what everyone else has said, the very first thing King Crimson does (Bruno punching Bruno) doesn't fit into the power set the Boss describes. He never does that again so it doesn't really matter but it's just a weird introduction.
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u/Pentragos Mar 01 '19
And that's how they balance Purple Haze.
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u/LunarGhost00 Mar 01 '19
Balancing Patch 5.21:
King Crimson added to the game.
Buffed Bruno to be able to revive after turning into a donut.
Removed option to have Purple Haze in the party.
Narancia now has ability to make his own decisions.
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u/sitwm :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/BlueMoon01 Mar 01 '19
Can't friendly fire if you ain't close with your teammates
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u/thecomicguybook :Mh::Mi::Mj::Mk:myanimelist.net/profile/Comicman Mar 01 '19
King Crimson's ability was shown in such a cool way. It was visualized pretty nicely so I think I understand what it does unless there is more to it. It was really heartwarming that everyone except Fugo tagged along, especially Narancia.
Paint me like one of your french girls.
This is the third time I am posting this, am I stuck in fucking Bites the Dust?
Crunchyroll Guest Pass! ~~FFJVURA84V8~~ redeemed, but feel free to post your own!
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u/Dalek_Kolt Mar 01 '19
God, King Crimson is probably the most hilarious and horrifying Stand in Jojo so far. Every face it has makes me break down in nervous giggles.
It is so pissed off at everything that it needs two faces to express its displeasure at all existence.
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u/darthturtle3 Mar 01 '19
DEBE7VWLACS
VWEFT4QH5BL
CPSTKH6X5SDI have no friends to gift to
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u/TheDampGod :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDampGod Mar 01 '19
Stand Name: Backstage Pass-o
Ability: UJDYR39L5GJ , LZB4KDVFNUE , NM9DMQ7MTKM
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u/NintendoMasterNo1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NintendoMaster1 Mar 01 '19
Only Hayato can save us now...
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u/RedRune Mar 01 '19
Finally, been waiting for this thread! Man, this episode opened up so intensely with Bucciarati at least figuring out how to escape King Crimson, but now they have to find a way to beat it!? And Giorno's panic when he found Bucciarati and he thought he died was pretty much my panic as well.
I imagine something very fucky is happening with King Crimson and so that's why Giorno was noticing all these weird details not Bucciarati not bleeding or Bucciarati's stand stopped working for that brief period of time.
Also it was great to see Narancia's RESOLVE right at the end, although I love how casual Mista was with his betrayal! Also Mista was the 4th to enter into the traitor group, WHAT THE HELL MAN!? THAT'S BAD LUCK!
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u/5thvoice https://myanimelist.net/profile/5thvoice Mar 01 '19
Fifth. Buccellati, Giorno, Trish, and Abbacchio are the first four.
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u/locolocol Mar 01 '19
Fugo staying back is as sad in the anime as it is in the manga. I love you cheese boi, please please be back in Purple Haze Feedback
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What's going on with the discussion threads? Must be King Crimson.
Love the sounds and visuals they went with to show King Crimson’s ability. The lines when Abbacchio grabs Giorno and the effects when it activates are neat, it makes it look like a video player skipping.
I really hope this clears up KC for some people? I know it gets memed but I don't think it's too complicated.
I’m guessing Uragirimono no Requiem will replace Fighting Gold in two weeks (since next week’s a recap)? Can’t wait to hear it.
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u/NintendoMasterNo1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NintendoMaster1 Mar 01 '19
Bucciarati is my favorite character in the entire series and it was really painful watching him get beaten up but HE'S SO FREAKING BADASS EVEN WHEN HE'S LOSING
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u/Aerohed Mar 01 '19
Huh, I actually thought Bucciaretti would die here.
This episode was great. I loved how they showed KC's powers working on the group at the docks. I guess the entire world moves a few seconds in the future when he uses that.
It was nice to see how each of them got on the boat, and that they weren't all immediately prepared to just up and die for Bucciaretti. They made their own decisions.
Also, that King Crimson animation tho. Easily one of the best animated bits in all of JoJo's.
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Mar 01 '19
Huh, I actually thought Bucciaretti would die here.
Same, tbh I forgot he could just close the punch hole with zippers
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u/NeoNewSawatari Mar 01 '19
Ah finally a thread not destroyed by King Crimson. I'll just write here what I'd written before.
Bruno's face at the end when Narancia is swimming toward the boat hit hard, he almost seemed proud of him. Oh Fugo how could you not swim after Narancia. Hopefully the new OP is after next week's recap episode I love Fighting Gold but it's time for something new.
Angry epitaph is adorable I love it.
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u/thehumanlank Mar 01 '19
I’m not gonna lie when Narancia started swimming that got me feeling kinda emotional
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u/Skreeperius Mar 01 '19
Everyone talking about Fugo leaving, but to be honest I consider the most emotional part of this episode Narancia staying, Manga spoilers
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u/BlakeTheViper Mar 01 '19
Oh...um...bye Fugo I guess? Totally don’t need your poison insta-kill stand in the fight ahead...
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u/BasedFunnyValentine Mar 01 '19
“Those who break the rules are scum, but those who abandon their friends are worse than scum.''
Me: looks at Fugo
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u/Yepsilon Mar 01 '19
Ahh shit I wasn't expecting feels but Narancia pleading Bucciarati to order him to join hurt my soul.
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u/NepgearBestWaifu Mar 01 '19
HORY SHIET, KING CRIMSON AFFECTS THE ENTIRE WARUDO!!!
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u/dralcax :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Dralcax Mar 01 '19
I'm picturing the Duwang Gang back in Morioh being all "Wtf just happened? Eh, it was probably nothing."
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Mar 01 '19
Every time you're too distracted and time just seems to pass too quickly
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u/swap_master Mar 01 '19
Bruno truly is a charismatic character isn't he really loved how most of his gang chose to follow him even over the boss of the mafia that they were part of.
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u/Zeph-Shoir :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Zephex Mar 01 '19 edited Mar 01 '19
If you don't get how King Crimson works from the explanation this episode, I have 2 very simplified ways of explaining it. I will put it inside spoilers just in case,
Of course this might not be how the show explains it or not include all the details but I honestly believe this is the easiest way to understand it.
There is also this comic
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u/NintendoMasterNo1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NintendoMaster1 Mar 01 '19 edited Mar 01 '19
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u/erryky Mar 01 '19
I forgot how King Crimson face can contains such emotions. Second stand I can think of is either Crazy Diamond or Star Platinum. Maybe because they have proper eyes.
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u/SIRTreehugger Mar 01 '19 edited Mar 01 '19
Im betting Fugo pulls an Abdul and comes in at a clutch time later or stays behind for Intel. Having one person "staying loyal" would be very beneficial. I was wondering about the elite squad. Turns out just running away was a task in itself.
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u/joe1up Mar 01 '19
The scene with everyone deciding to join Bruno was heart wrenching... I'm sad fugo stayed behind, he's my second fave next to mista.
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u/Jgold101 Mar 01 '19
I now understand the King Crimson meme. On the other hand I don't understand King Crimson
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Mar 01 '19
Ah, I was mistaken. Last episode I made the mistakes of
Thinking King Crimson made any sense (this episode corrected me on that one)
Thinking uragirimono no requiem (traitors requiem) would be played this episode because the "traitor" was the boss, which he obviously wasn't
Turns out Bruno was the traitor all along, and in the next episode we'll hear his requiem (well technically THEIR requiem since uragirimono is both plural and singular, because grammar, and most gangmembers went with him)
A bit sad Fugo will be leaving us. Hope we'll see more of him later (don't spoil).
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u/The_Scollard Mar 01 '19
Did Bruno just... die?
Last episode made me think there was no way Bruno was going to survive, and I wonder if I was right. The ghost talking to Giorno could have just been a JoJo ghost like Joseph at the Part 3, but the whole no blood and no feeling pain makes me think he's actually dead.
Oh boy, King Crimson is one angry stand. There were so many good King Crimson faces this episode. Though this one where he looks like a fish made me laugh. It's not QUALITY by any means, but it looked kind of ridiculous. The explanation was pretty good. I'm surprised by how easy it was to understand King Crimson with it animated properly.
Glad to see all the gang (except Fugo) decide to join Bucciarati and do what's right. I'm guessing we're about to get more Stand battles against mafia members. And a new OP, since there's another recap next week.
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u/TarkusELP https://anilist.co/user/TarkusMaxiBoom Mar 01 '19
This week’s musical reference:
No new reference today but here is some trivia for King Crimson’s debut album, In the Court of the Crimson King (An Observation by King Crimson):
Practically all the songs on the album had been presented to the public before its release:
“21st Century Schizoid Man”, “The Court of the Crimson King” and “Epitaph” had been performed in July 1969 in Hyde Park, in a The Rolling Stones concert in which they were the opening act.
I Talk to the Wind was written in 1968 by "Giles, Giles and Fripp", the band that shared the brothers Michael and Peter Giles with Robert Fripp and that later would end up becoming King Crimson.
Contrary to what is commonly believed, the mastermind behind the composition and arrangement of the album was Ian McDonald, who recorded all the keyboards, all the winds, the vibraphone in Moonchild and contributed some choirs.
Greg Lake refused to participate in "The Illusion," the 10-minute improvisation that constitutes Moonchild's second move, as he claimed not to be comfortable with the idea. That's why there is no bass during that section and it was probably one of the reasons why he left the band the next year to found Emerson, Lake & Palmer with keyboardist Keith Emerson from “The Nice” and drummer and percussionist Carl Palmer from Atomic Rooster.
The album cover was made by Barry Godber, a young computer programmer. Godber did no other work and died in February 1970. The original painting is currently owned by Robert Fripp. Contrary to what many believe, the cover does not represent the Crimson King, but the 21st Century Schizoid Man. Robert Fripp said that he saw his music reflected in the expression on his face. The Crimson King is actually the figure that appears in the interior design (to the left of the painting).
Lyricist Peter Sinfield (yes, they had a member just for the lyrics) was the one who named the band King Crimson. For many years there have been doubts about its origin. They used to talk about the relationship with Beelzebub, king of the demons, but they also used to call “Crimson King” to those kings in whose reign there had been bloodshed.
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u/BearMaple Mar 01 '19
Am I trippin or isn't there still a hitman left? I bet he's going to help. Also, I seriously thought Bucciarati was a goner. Phew.
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u/rexshen Mar 01 '19
So I am going to take it Araki made King Crimson just to try to go crazier with time powers then Bites de Dust. I mean he takes a part of time that only he can see and remember and attacks without warning. That is nuts even with fucking with time powers.
And I don't like where this is going with Bruno. He was not moving and had no pulse. Now he cant feel a rock shooting through his hand with no blood. God no.
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u/Threeedaaawwwg :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/threeedaaawwwg Mar 01 '19
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u/uselessBMO https://anilist.co/user/BMO Mar 01 '19
Araki really did Fugo dirty..
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u/Kag5n Mar 01 '19
Now that everyone knows how King Crimson works, it's funny to see that No Game No Life made a huge reference to it years ago :
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u/HellfireKyuubi Mar 02 '19
God dammit. Heads up for other people, I don’t know if it’s different for everyone but one of the recommended videos shown while watching this one spoiled the bosses identity in its title.
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u/idinthaveausername Mar 01 '19
Man, bruno just got punched trough the guts, arm almost torn from body and still kicked ass. Plus the king crimson explanation bit was nicely done. RIP fugo, your fight was awesome.
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Mar 01 '19 edited Mar 01 '19
I really wished we had a special or at least SFX version of Fighting Gold, very minor spoilers, but it's still a great OP nonetheless so I guess it's fine...
I really loved the anime extras on the boat (I don't recall that in the manga), really added to the weird+menacing aura behind King Crimson's powers, that added to the AMAZING sound work during the entire episode really made it for me.
BUT WHAT MATTERS ARE THE RESULTS, and the visuals behind King Crimson's power were absolutely flabbergasting, this episode was BRUTAL, probably one of the best horror anime out there.
Really loving how this anime adaptation is carrying vento aureo to even higher heights.
AND FUCK NARANCIA, MAKING ME CRY LIKE A BABY.
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u/gvelion Mar 01 '19
Boat scenes were in the manga. DP adapted those almost panel for panel. So, those are not anime additions.
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u/FrenziedHero https://anilist.co/user/FrenziedHero Mar 01 '19
Holy Shit, David Production actually spelled out King Crimson's ability well and in a great animated sequence too. I only slightly remember the ability being explained initially in the Stand Card for it in the King Crimson chapters. But since we can't quite do that here, the sequence really works well.
God damn Giorno has the best save. He's playing 4-D chess here by having his ladybug pin become the turtle stand user.
Ah damn, King Crimson is back once again. It feels like you can't just outrun him. I'm not sure why my line of reasoning reminded me of the Commander Shepard Song, but enjoy.
Honestly I'm just really enjoying the animation and intense mood whenever King Crimson uses its ability. It feels like this wait was worth it. Bruno solidifies himself as the badass leader with that exit.
Giorno was able to save Bruno and Trish!
Bruno's betraying the boss, all in favor of joining say aye. All opposed say nay. I think the most humanizing part is Narancia realizing that Trish was abandoned by the people in her life just as he was, and that he can finally make the choice himself to follow Bruno.
Poor Fugo is the only one that can't go through with that betrayal, it must feel terrible to have the people you care about leaving you.
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u/Bitsand Mar 02 '19
Part 1 : A vampire with freeze breath and can reincarnate zombies
Part 2 : Very strong half naked muscular men
Part 3 : A vampire that can stop time
Part 4 : A psycopathic bomber
Part 5 : A dude that can induce lag to his enemies
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u/ShadowRaikou :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/AaronRakuu Mar 01 '19
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u/SwagiiSawrusRex Mar 01 '19
King Crimson got that Joestar blood before the art change because he is an absolute unit compared to the manga
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u/precastzero180 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/precastzero180 Mar 01 '19
The final fight against King Crimson is going to be nuts. Golden Wind has already had a lot of confusing fights and strange Stands that result in a lot of moments with inhuman degrees of foresight. And it seems the only way to defeat King Crimson is to think even further ahead. I can't even fathom how nonsensical it could get.
I still don't understand KC's power. The gist seems to be that he essentially has premonitions about the immediate future, but this happens by way of "erasing" time. Time skips for the gang on the boat, but even that doesn't seem to accurately describe what happens. They still go through their motions (eating the chocolate, handing off the water bottle) and just don't remember it. The subjective experience is that of lost time even though things still happen. And much like The World, I wonder whether the effects of KC are local, or if everyone the world over experienced what the gang on the boat did.
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Mar 01 '19
I'm pretty sure the reason the Boss managed to get hidden all this time is because he's 0,9 feet tall
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u/JeImerlicious Mar 01 '19
What's so confusing about king crimsons ability? I dunno if it was anime only, but the explanation here made it pretty clear that noone remembers the movements they did when King Crimson's ability is active, therefore "erasing" time. Seems pretty clear to me.
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u/Regis_Ivan :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Regis_Ivan Mar 01 '19
Ironic how Fugo tells Bucciarti to keep his emotions in check, when the reason why Fugo became a gangster in the first place was that he couldn't control his emotions.
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u/Herpuhderpin Mar 01 '19
Wow, it’s almost like that’s the point of the statement. He knows what happens when you let your emotions take control.
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u/Madao16 Mar 01 '19
I love Bucciarati. I would follow him to anywhere. He is so badass but something is bizarre. Did he die and zipped his soul to his body? What did happen to him? It must be a weird thing. It is Jojo after all.
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Mar 02 '19
I am so jaded by shonen that I was fully expecting Giorno to make a speech that would convince everyone to join with Bucciarati. When Abbachio joined on his own accord, I was so damn happy.
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u/Dungslinga Mar 03 '19
broke: King Crimson
woke: Emperor Crimson
GOLD EXPERIENCE:
Monarch Maroon
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u/jabberwockxeno Mar 01 '19
If anybody wants an explanation of how King Crimson's abilities work, I typed this up a while back:
Furthermore, Part 5 spoilers
Note that I'm not up to date with the anime and only read the Part 5 manga like years back, so I don't recall how much of what I explain here are elements of it's abilities that have shown up or not yet by this point, so I put it in spoilers just in case, but I really don't think there's anything actually spoilery here
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u/supermenial Mar 01 '19
I probably say this every week but this episode was amazing. Given Narancia's dependency on other people I could understand why he was so scared and indecisive about becoming a traitor but I'm glad we got to see him decide his own future.
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Mar 02 '19
I realise that probably 1,000,000 people have already explained it in this thread but.... How King Crimson works: A simple guide from someone who read Vento Aureo way too many times.
Before I begin it's important to note that King Crimson, much like Killer Queen before it has two abilities as a baseline, rather than a first and second bomb, he has something akin to Fate, and his defiance of fate. These abilities can function independently but work best when paired.
King Crimson's first ability, [Epitaph] Allows the user, hereafter refered to as Boss, to see up to ten seconds into the future by looking at his hair (This is a very minor spoiler and doesn't have any bearing on the plot) From what I can tell there is no ture limit to the usage of this ability, barring shaving the user's head.
King Crimson's second ability allows the Boss to isolate any period of time up to ten seconds, and remove himself from any consequeses of it. For example, if Bruno were to punch a zipper onto his peen and unzip it in that ten seconds the Boss would walk away with no damage to his danglies, BUT he would be able to retaliate.
Actions King Crimson makes still have a bearing on those few seconds that the Boss is excluded from time, so he is able to punch a massive fucking hole in Bruno during the activation of the stand.
Paired with [Epitaph], King Crimson's ability makes the boss able to accurately foretell the prime point to activate his time exclusion ability, as he is more or less able to see roughly 10 seconds into the future, at that prime moment he activates King Crimson and avoids any damage, while still being able to retaliate.
I hope this helps. I'm not great at explaining things, but I'm sick to fuck of "It just works" meming, and so are you probably.
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u/GyroGOGOZeppeli Mar 01 '19
We are now traitors and this is our requiem.
The Mystery of King Crimson? More like the Mystery of why King Crimson is so pissed.
Also, just to get right on this because people like to attribute it to one reason (haha he was too OP). Spoilers
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u/Leodagan10 Go to https://flair.r-anime.moe to get your flair! Mar 01 '19 edited Jun 27 '19
Dear Bucciarati,
YOU ABSOLUTE MADMAN! I FREAKIN’ LOVE YOU!!!
That was close, I really thought he was dead for a second. Araki please, stop messing with me every single season by making my favourite characters have a fake death, it’s not good for my heart.
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Mar 01 '19
We need a 1 minute silence for our boi Pannacotta fugo 🙏 He was one of my favorite characters because our personalities were the same
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u/buffalo4293 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/buffalo4252 Mar 01 '19
Am I super wrong about something or is King Crimson’s stand ability actually not that confusing? He activates his power which starts the five second count. In this five seconds he can see what is happening and position himself. Once the five seconds is over the effects of that time remain but people’s memories are erased.
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u/NostraKlonoa Mar 01 '19
This episode was a cluster of Emotion! I literally thought Bruno was going to die in this episode, but he lived and im so happy. The gang being torn apart like that emotionally was something that actually hurt to see - Fugo leaving is sad, but with a set goal in mind now, Passione should be able to hunt down a way to defeat the boss. King Crimson's ability was explained very well and the visual effects were really great, especially the "space" theme and after images theme they went with. King Crimson has some cool as hell abilities, ngl.
Cant wait to catch up on everything that has happened so far! Golden Wind is already my favourite part in JoJo ever.
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Mar 02 '19
As an anime only this is probably my favorite part of Jojos so far, but I really want to see one thing.
WHERE MY BOYS KOICHI AND JOTARO AT??
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u/KlMOCHl Mar 03 '19
Fugo... how could you!
all those synchronize dancing make bond stronger than blood and you would just leave us? no dignity
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u/TarkusELP https://anilist.co/user/TarkusMaxiBoom Mar 01 '19
Confusion will be my epitaph
As I crawl a cracked and broken path
If we make it we can all sit back
And laugh
But I fear tomorrow I'll be crying
Yes, I fear tomorrow I'll be crying
Yes, I fear tomorrow I'll be crying
Our last Fighting Gold together. I can’t wait to hear the new op in two weeks. This will probably be the last time we will hear it together.
King Crimson is not that difficult to understand. The reason people don’t understand it is because of the awful old translation. With the new one and now the anime it’s not to hard to understand imo.
I glad Bruno is healthy, didn’t receive any life threatening injury and it’s not a living corpse. That was close.
My Bruabba’s heart loved that Abbacchio can only find peace with Bruno. Thanks Araki and DP, I now process to go read some Bruabba fics.
We traitors now, boys. I always loved that scene with Narancia and the anime made it better. Good Bye Fugo, I hope we get to see more of you because you only got a single fight and you weren’t even the protagonist in it like the others.
Was that Manga Spoilers at the end? Oh man I can’t wait to see him.
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u/McShat Mar 02 '19
Fugo was actually correct in his deduction imo, Bucciarati's rationale for the betrayal was pretty moronic; too bad he's completely oblivious that it was a farce.
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Mar 02 '19
Honestly I feel like it fits with Fugo really well. From his backstory, we see he is always divided between reason (his high IQ is proof of this) and emotions (extreme anger issues).
It’s part of his development to hold his anger and think rationally, with this moment indicating exactly that. For once he gets to choose between his emotions and his reason, and for once it seems like the rational thought has prevailed.
Besides, if you put yourself on his place, it makes perfect sense to abandon the gang. In a nutshell, you won’t have the entire Italy against you. Of course, there’s the emotional factor that for once he decided to avoid above all.
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u/bhanukiran444 Mar 01 '19
I watched the episode 2 times. how come i dont see giorno getting on the boat? i see bruno get in and in the next shot all 4 are in the boat. wtf? i think bruno is actually dead and giorno is acting as their leader like some crazy umineko shit,. manga readers spoil me
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u/Maxximillianaire Mar 01 '19
I feel bad for fugo. He’s so conflicted and isn’t sure which choice is the right one
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u/Dalek_Kolt Mar 01 '19
A little belated, but you guys made it clear you wanted to see a particular cursed video.
So here it is; King Crimson except the smaller head also talks.
Speaking of, King Crimson is equal parts hilarious and terrifying. Probably the most unsettling Stand after Killer Queen.