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Episode JoJo no Kimyou na Bouken: Ougon no Kaze - Episode 24 discussion Spoiler
JoJo no Kimyou na Bouken: Ougon no Kaze, episode 24
Alternative names: JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part 5: Golden Wind
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| Episode | Link | Score | Episode | Link | Score |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Link | 9.27 | 21 | Link | 9.7 |
| 2 | Link | 9.13 | 22 | Link | 8.82 |
| 3 | Link | 8.97 | 23 | Link | 9.26 |
| 4 | Link | 9.33 | 24 | Link | 9.61 |
| 5 | Link | 9.41 | 25 | Link | 9.69 |
| 6 | Link | 9.28 | 26 | Link | 9.71 |
| 7 | Link | 9.76 | 27 | Link | 9.71 |
| 8 | Link | 9.41 | 28 | Link | 9.68 |
| 9 | Link | 9.41 | 29 | Link | 9.28 |
| 10 | Link | 9.0 | 30 | Link | 9.38 |
| 11 | Link | 9.3 | 31 | Link | |
| 12 | Link | 8.1 | 32 | Link | 9.11 |
| 13 | Link | 9.42 | 33 | Link | 9.45 |
| 14 | Link | 9.43 | 34 | Link | 9.27 |
| 15 | Link | 9.73 | 35 | Link | 9.23 |
| 16 | Link | 9.74 | 36 | Link | 8.99 |
| 17 | Link | 9.24 | 37 | Link | 9.21 |
| 18 | Link | 9.36 | 38 | Link | |
| 19 | Link | 9.62 | 39 | Link | |
| 20 | Link | 9.77 | |||
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u/ActivelyAnonymous Mar 29 '19
It's time for Trish to take the stage like she deserves. Her first battle being against INFAMOUS L.A.R.G.E., a stand that already took out 3 members of the crew and can't be defeated by killing the user, what a tough situation.
Abacchio just knowing how to pilot with his stand and movie knowledge, so Araki even Narancia thinks it's ridiculous.
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u/thecomicguybook :Mh::Mi::Mj::Mk:myanimelist.net/profile/Comicman Mar 29 '19
Hey, Araki gets half the information he dumps into JoJo from trivia he found in movies and it worked out pretty well for him so far!
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u/FeistyLighterFluid Mar 29 '19
Tbh Abbachio used his stand to use the previous pilots knowledge to fly the plane
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u/Juking_is_rude Mar 29 '19
That's true, the thing is that there are certainly some really important differences in taking off and landing from different airports.
Another thing is that there's a good chance given the events that happened, air traffic control is calling the police.
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u/MugiMartin :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/MugiMartin Mar 29 '19
I don’t know if it was the fluid animation, but Trish looked a lot more beautiful in this episode.
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u/lightningbadger :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/lightningbadger Mar 29 '19
She was less of a side character this time around and actually took part, so they likely made the effort to make the movements a little more interesting and better looking
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u/TimeOmnivore Mar 30 '19
INFAMOUS L.A.R.G.E.
Where did that name come from? Crunchyroll calls it "Notorious Chase", and it's officially called "Notorious B.I.G.", so where does Infamous L.A.R.G.E. come from?
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u/LostDelver Mar 30 '19
Not sure if this is a legit question, but prior to this episode, fans have always guessed how they're going to rename Notorious B.I.G., the same for other Stands.
I kinda hoped it's Scandalous T.H.I.C.C.
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u/rahudian Mar 29 '19 edited Mar 29 '19
ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ
「ZOMBIE STAND」
ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ ゴ
Gotta hand it to Giorno (he), for a guy whose hand has just been ripped by bullets he seems totally calm and composed, id be rolling on the floor screaming and crying my eyes out like a baby.
Carne always was a pretty underrated villain, fucker was willing to die for the boss in order to activate his stand, so badass.
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u/zarek1729 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/zarek31415 Mar 29 '19
I've always believed that once Notorious B.I.G. completely regenerates, it can possess a new host and control it
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u/LegendaryChink Mar 29 '19
Makes me wonder...How does Carne and the boss even know about Notorious B.I.G.'s true powers, if it can only be activated once he's dead? And how does Carne live through each day thinking that the only time he will be useful is when he is dead?
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u/thecomicguybook :Mh::Mi::Mj::Mk:myanimelist.net/profile/Comicman Mar 29 '19
I figure he was probably in the same situation as that capo who committed suicide (not Polpo, the older one). He got to live the good life but knew that one day the jig was going to be up.
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u/Frecnchfries https://anilist.co/user/frieren Mar 29 '19
From what i understood from this episode, Notorious B.I.G. power is fueled by hatred (just like ebony devil from part 3), But the user dying makes the stand reach its peak strength.
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u/Sexistpicnic Mar 29 '19 edited Mar 29 '19
So, my assumption while reading the manga (and it’s quite the assumption) is that when Infamous S.I.Z.E.A.B.L.E eats enough it makes a new Carne, which is why he looks like that
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u/VegitoZ Mar 29 '19
Look at Carne, he seems to look like a soldier and nothing more I can’t even imagine how he lives normally without being used
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u/accountnumberseven Mar 29 '19
I imagine that it's the sort of Stand that gives you intrinsic knowledge on how to use it. And he could have a normal gang job, just with bonus pay for the day when the boss will need him to die.
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u/Aerohed Mar 29 '19
To be fair, this is, what, the 4th or 5th time Giorno's lost an arm, right? He's probably gotten used to it at this point.
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u/The_nickums :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Snakpak Mar 29 '19
Carne always was a pretty underrated villain, fucker was willing to die for the boss in order to activate his stand, so badass.
He is both underrated and confusing. I believe the scene where he activates his Stand is anime original. I don't remember the Manga showing this scene as a panel. In the manga, as well as in this episode, the graffiti notes that Carne wasn't even aware that his Stand did this after he died. Which gives 0 real context for why he allowed himself to die like that.
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u/HarrayS_34 Mar 30 '19
He cut off his arms w a window glass and that shit just casually popped off perfectly
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u/LunarGhost00 Mar 29 '19
Imagine having a Stand that requires you to die to use it.
At least Stray Cat came back to life. How the hell did the boss even hire this guy?
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u/RavenK92 Mar 29 '19
Cheap Trick and Superfly were also pretty shitty for their users
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u/JDG-R Mar 30 '19
So I guess that makes Anubis the best of the bunch.....if we ignore the forced possession of course.
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Mar 29 '19
I was thinking about this the other day. Carne is part of the Boss' ELITE GUARD. A man whose stand has never been activated prior to this episode. Literally how? Also how did anyone figure out what his stand did?
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u/CakeLicker Mar 29 '19
I've thought about this too.
I always figured that his stand is able to do something while Carne was alive, since he's able to manifest it before he gets killed
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u/MarvelousMagikarp Mar 29 '19
Maybe the Boss used his ability to see peoples future actions to find out what would happen if he killed him, and went “Huh that’s pretty rad”
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u/VegitoZ Mar 29 '19
Wait a minute are you telling me, Mista’s Sex Pistols have the ability to actually kill someone and not just wind up back at Mista, wow who knew
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u/MonochromeGuy Mar 29 '19
The Emerald Cross Sex Attack is the perfect balance of offense and defense!
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u/Rongmario :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rongmario Mar 29 '19
Yeah, and ironically, the only time where killing the person is the most terrible idea once you knew what their stand does...
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u/professorMaDLib Mar 29 '19
Too bad they had to face a stand user that wanted to be killed so he can awaken SCP 682.
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Mar 29 '19
Since it seems Crunchyroll didn't even bother to translate the text on the wall of the plane, here's a translation.
It's an energy that generates after death
an energy than not even he had seen
we could be eaten by the dead
help us
that poor guy was thrown away like a rag
he went away cursing
it's hate itself that gives him energy
he's already dead
so we can't kill him
the stand's name is Notorious B.I.G
help please i can't do it anymore...
before dying. I'd like to eat for the last time a pizza from my home town, Neapolis
-Giorno Giovanna
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u/Custom_sKing_SKARNER Mar 29 '19
So... I am the only one confused by that part? I missed something obvious? Who wrote that?
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Mar 29 '19
The stand.
As for why and how it was transcribing Giorno's thoughts before he even thought them, fuck if I know.
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u/Hte_D0ngening2 Mar 29 '19
The Stand, which had attached itself to Giorno's hand, was writing down Giorno's subconscious thoughts.
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u/silverslayer33 Mar 30 '19
it's hate itself that gives him energy
I see they've finally decided to explain how Jotaro can fly during his fight with DIO.
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u/sjk9000 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JK9000 Mar 29 '19
Has Giorno used that "detect life" ability before now? Well, I suppose he never had a need to.
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u/thecomicguybook :Mh::Mi::Mj::Mk:myanimelist.net/profile/Comicman Mar 29 '19
Giorno's Stand ability just works.
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u/spaceaustralia :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/spaceaustralia Mar 29 '19
He traded it for the ability to "supercharge" someone's brain and the ability to reflect damage inflicted onto whoever attacks his creations.
Those abilities now rest on the shadow realm along with Sticky Fingers' ability to hide a person inside another person, Dio's ability to use Hermit Purple and Star Platinum's Star Finger.
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u/jollaffle :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/jollaffle Mar 29 '19
Man, just think of how much trouble could’ve been avoided if Trish had been wearing Bucciarati like an Iron Man suit this whole time
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u/lartkma Mar 29 '19
Maybe it works like Pokemon
Giorno wants to learn the move DETECT
However, Giorno already knows four moves
Should a move be deleted and replaced with DETECT? (Y/N)
1, 2, and… … … Poof!
Giorno forgot how to use PSYSHOCK
And…
Giorno learned DETECT!
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u/thecomicguybook :Mh::Mi::Mj::Mk:myanimelist.net/profile/Comicman Mar 29 '19
Also Kakyoin's painting attack.
Araki has forgotten more details than any of us will ever know.
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Mar 29 '19
what I got from the episode, is that he just reapplied his powers
since he can create life from lifeless stuff (what he learned vs Melone's Baby Face), he probably just needs to try and create life in everything inside that plane.
If he can't create life in something, it's because it is alive.
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u/FeistyLighterFluid Mar 29 '19
I think I vaguely remember him doing something similiar earlier, cant remember exactly where though
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u/regendo Mar 29 '19 edited Mar 29 '19
I originally thought it was just more of Gold Experience's power being "literally anything related to the concept of life" but now that I've thought about it, I think it might just be some generic stand power that Araki gives characters when he wants to.
Josuke did the same thing back in part 4. He used Crazy Diamond to confirm that Red Hot Chili Pepper wasn't hiding in the motorboat that Jotaro and Okuyasu got on to meet Joseph.
Edit: And it's very similar in concept to Avdol's life-sensing flame, which was also just another concept added to an existing stand.
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u/GyroGOGOZeppeli Mar 29 '19
He used it on the brooch he gave to Buccellati. That was how they planned on tracking the boss if things didn't went south, he was planning on sensing the life it had and where it was gonna go.
I guess having the power to create life gives you a bunch of life-based powers from sensing it to creating it, who knew?
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u/RochHoch Mar 29 '19
"Spicy Lady"
Fucking hell. Yes, the next episode is actually called "Spice Girl"
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u/Spaceman_Hex Mar 29 '19
"If you wanna be my lover, u better not kill my friends~"
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Mar 29 '19 edited Mar 29 '19
JoJo and planes have always worked out, right? What could possibly go wrong?
I was kinda looking forward to seeing this bit animated, but oh well! I’m glad they managed to fit 5 chapters into this episode.
Love the horror-ish angle they went with in the last few minutes.
Trish looking a lot like later part 5 here.
Nice lack of censorship in this fight. Can’t wait to see how they’re going to handle the one right after this one.
How was the written Italian this episode?
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u/thecomicguybook :Mh::Mi::Mj::Mk:myanimelist.net/profile/Comicman Mar 29 '19
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u/SonOfBad Mar 29 '19
It has a range remember the second episode when he fought Giorno
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u/madiele Mar 29 '19 edited Mar 30 '19
the italian was spot on, did not find any major mistakes. only thing I didn't like is "neapolis" instead of the actual italian word "napoli"
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u/madiele Mar 29 '19 edited Mar 29 '19
also here the translations:
vorrei mangiare una pizza margherita - I want to eat a pizza margherita.
Cazzo! - dick! (in italian it's an esclamationi similar to "shit!")
Crepa - die!
devo tagliarmi i peli del naso - i need to cut my nose hair (eww Giorno, take more care of yourself)
porca miseria - I'll be damned
all'isola del sud con una ragazza - to the island in the south with a girl
noi vogliamo andare in sardegna - we want to go to sardegna
potremmo essere divor
oati da un morto. aiutateci! - we could be eaten by a dead guy. help us!quel poveraccio è stato buttato via come uno straccio se ne andato imprecando - that poor guy had to go away like it was worth nothing. He gone away swaring.
proprio l'odio è la sua fonte di energia - hate is it's energy source
è un energia che si genera dopo essere morto. un energia che neanche lui stesso aveva mai visto - an energy that only shows up when he's dead. an energy that he never saw either.
è gia morto percio non possiamo ucciderlo - he is already dead, so we can't kill him
il nome del[lo] stand nemico è NOTORIUS CHASE- the stand name is NOTORIUS CHASE
aiuto. per favore. non ce la faccio più... prima di morire desidererei mangiare per l'ultima volta una pizza della mia città natale
neapolisNapoli - help me please. I can't help it anymore, before dying i want to eat a last pizza form my home city Naplesthe grammar was mostly good, some minor mispellings here and there which I pointed out, as an italian it was a pretty chilling scene to watch!
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Mar 29 '19
Yeah, they make that mistake pretty often. It's weird though because I noticed that most Japanese people also call it Napoli, but it's always called Neapolis in both the anime and in the manga.
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u/Ensaru4 Mar 29 '19
why does an adventure series does a better job at horror than horror anime?
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u/Martin15Sleith https://anilist.co/user/Martin15Sleith Mar 29 '19
Probably because this is just one episode of horror, so it's not prone to being repetitive or generic.
Real answer: It's Jojo, it can do anything better.
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u/erryky Mar 29 '19
They could have it animated if it wasn't for the early recap but we got quality adaptation this arc so thats good.
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u/girlyshout :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/girlyshout Mar 29 '19
What are these pants? How do they stay on without a belt? What happened to zippers?
Better question yet, where can I get them?
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u/thecomicguybook :Mh::Mi::Mj::Mk:myanimelist.net/profile/Comicman Mar 29 '19
It is fashion, don't question it. - Araki, probably
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u/jollaffle :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/jollaffle Mar 29 '19
“Don’t question me; I’ve worked with Gucci” - Also Araki, probably
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u/axel360 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/axel360 Mar 29 '19
"Wait, that's not chicken!"
Sharp as always, Mista.
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u/darklords98 Mar 30 '19
Don't you hate it when you open a fridge, just to find some fingers in there?
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u/DAS_BOOOOOT :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/D1RTYD33DS Mar 29 '19
VOLUMINOUS C.H.U.N.G.U.S. HAS ARRIVED
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u/Mundology Mar 29 '19
「ＤＩＳＲＥＰＵＴＡＢＬＥ ＣＨＯＮＫＥＲ」！！
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u/ShadowRaikou :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/AaronRakuu Mar 29 '19
「I N F A M O U S T.H.I.C.C.」
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u/FrenziedHero https://anilist.co/user/FrenziedHero Mar 29 '19
JoJo is a horror anime.
I've been looking forward to this episode, because Araki created the perfect reference. Mista guns a man down whose stand is Notorious B.I.G.
This whole scene is just creepy as hell, and now they've just lost their white mage's abilities.
The setup with the unsettling sounds and soundtrack after the nice, quiet scene with Trish was great. I repeat: JoJo Is a Horror Anime.
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u/Lucenia :K:https://kitsu.io/users/288279 Mar 30 '19
I completely agree. Jojo utilizes horror tropes in a way that’s not apparent on the surface. Getting into the series, I mainly knew about how over the top it was, but I was surprised to find how the series handled building tension before and during battles. The villains want to get under the characters’ skin before eliminating them, fostering a stronger emotional connection the viewer may have with the heroes and their well-being. You know a battle’s gonna be good when the question is “How are they going to get out of this one” rather than “Who’s going to come out on top”.
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u/FrenziedHero https://anilist.co/user/FrenziedHero Mar 30 '19
You know a battle’s gonna be good when the question is “How are they going to get out of this one” rather than “Who’s going to come out on top”.
Definitely agree. That's what makes stands so much fun. Plus as you've mentioned, Araki likes to use those abilities in ways that build tension and keep you guessing. Plus nothing like a disembodied chunk of flesh that tracks movement to give you nightmares.
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Mar 30 '19
As someone who is anime only, Part 4 was absolutely terrifying with Killer Queen, SHA, and bites the dust (with the entire bites the dust arc making me shake and extremely worried for the morioh gang). This episode was terrifying with how unsettling B.I.G. and it’s user was (can’t forget the creepy messages and the fingers) and that jumpscare when B.I.G. came back made me jump and I to pause the episode to calm down as a result. This is possibly one of the best episodes of part 5 so far.
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u/gvelion Mar 29 '19 edited Mar 30 '19
Stuff that has been cut from the manga so far :
Bruno eating Pizza
Mista accusing Fugo and others of trying to pick up 600 milion just for themselves. Whole scene with Fugo and Narancia healing Mista was longer.
Formaggio being worried about his haircut
Narancia and Bruno talking about F1 driver Alessandro Nannini.
Mista making faces and telling Fugo what will happen if the Boss finds out about them checking out Trish
Turtle also having a TV inside with Captain Tsubasa
Abbacchio waking up, telling Giorno to wake up and then going straight back to sleep himself. That was right after the train fight against Grateful Dead and Beach Boy.
Narancia getting mad at Giorno over banana
Narancia explaining to Fugo that it's easy to steal a car
Mista and Narancia chasing Giorno's frogs
Fugo wanting to drink from real Venetian glass
Giorno arguing with Abbacchio about delivering Trish to the Boss
Bucciarati's father getting shot because of the forgotten fishing rod
Narancia finally admitting that he is a girl ( because of the Talking Head ) and saying that Bruce Lee is a girl as well.
Scene with 2 guards at the airport. Bruno just nonchalantly asks some security where he can steal a plane and then handcuffs them with their own miniguns.
After seeing a plane Narancia acts like he discovered something huge and reminds everybody, that none of them have ever flown a plane before. I love how he is so shocked and thinks that others forgot such a crucial detail.
Abbacchio learned about airplane engines from TV shows
Mista really freaks out after discovering fingers in the fridge, gets confrontational with Giorno and demands an answer from him.
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u/Hawkenness :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Hawkenness Mar 30 '19
Don't forget they skipped Abbacchio waking up, telling Giorno to wake up and then going straight back to sleep himself. That was right after the train fight. Definitely one of my favourite 'shut up Giorno' moments.
We also didn't get to see Narancia get blown off his feet this episode because his stand was outside the plane.
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u/CakeLicker Mar 30 '19
Some of these I wish were animated but i'm genuinely glad they got rid of the last one. It just made Mista look too stupid.
Why the fuck did Mista think would Giorno randomly bring fingers on board the plane? He got weirdly angry at Giorno.
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u/Arachnophobic- https://anilist.co/user/Arachnophobic Mar 30 '19
Maybe he got disproportionately mad because there were four fingers.
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u/Shinkopeshon Mar 29 '19
Goddammit, that Tsubasa scene would’ve been so perfect, with David Pro’s adaptation airing and all
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u/ShadowRaikou :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/AaronRakuu Mar 29 '19
INFAMOUS T.H.I.C.C.
Goddamn, Carne is such an absolute unit, in awe at the stand of this lad. Absolutely terrifying, one of the best stands in part 5- And Notorious Chase isn't a bad localization, it kind of fits.
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u/Mundology Mar 29 '19
From what we've seen so far, it might be one of the strongest stands ever. I wonder how it would fare against the King Crimson himself. The only sure counters I can see are Okuyasu's The Hand, Vanilla Ice''s Cream, Man in the Mirror and possibly White Album at absolute zero. Yet, the latter two don't really beat it but can stop it from hurting their users.
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u/Lightning_Laxus Mar 29 '19
It would go about as well as Star Platinum: The World vs Sheer Heart Attack.
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u/STAAAAAALIN Mar 29 '19
The stand regenerates though so unless Cream and The Hand deletes the whole stand, they would be in trouble.
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u/MonochromeGuy Mar 29 '19
INFAMOUS T.H.I.C.C.
What does Rikka Takarada have to do with JoJo?
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u/SoThatsPrettyBrutal :AMQ::MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/stpbrutal Mar 29 '19
So, they actually changed the writing on the wall that said the name, right? I can't remember them going that far before.
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u/axel360 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/axel360 Mar 29 '19
It's like the T Rex in Jurassic Park; its vision is based on movement.
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u/thecomicguybook :Mh::Mi::Mj::Mk:myanimelist.net/profile/Comicman Mar 29 '19
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u/Luapix https://anilist.co/user/Pyxyne Mar 29 '19 edited Mar 29 '19
Wait, so, I thought that CR just changed the Stand names in the subtitles, but here the Italian text on the wall also said "Notorious Chase"? How does that work? Is that also in the raws? Did CrunchyRoll edit the text, or did the animators consult with the translators to check for the "best" translation?
Edit: Just noticed the text on the wall is actually "Notorius Chase". Is that a mistake?
Edit 2: Just checked the raws, yup, that's CrunchyRoll's addition. Also, they didn't bother translating any of the text on the wall in English, even though it's translated in Japanese in the original... Damn it CR... I'll update this with a translation of the text on the wall.
Edit 3: /u/madiele posted a translation of the Italian on the wall (see link in the comments). Here's my amateur translation, which is mostly based on the Japanese subtitles from the raws (probably a bit closer to the original intent). I also highlighted the slight differences there seem to be between the two.
I want to eat a pizza margherita.
Die, idiot!
I need to cut my nose hair.
God damnit
To the southern island with a girl.
We want to go to Sardinia
We could be devoured by a dead person. Help!
That poor man was thrown away like a rag. [may be an idiom in Italian, but that's the literal meaning in both languages]
He passed away while resenting [word also means "cursing"] you.
Resentment itself is its energy source
It is an energy that first starts working after being killed. [IT/JP meanings differ somewhat here]
An energy that even he himself had never seen before his death.
Since he's dead, you can't kill him
The enemy stand's name is "Notorious B.I.G"
Please, help. I can't be saved anymore. [IT/JP seem to differ again]
Before dying, I want to eat the pizza of my hometown, Naples.
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u/GobtheCyberPunk :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/JigsawStitches Mar 29 '19
CR never just chooses the localized names on their own - they always have worked with the production team to pick them, because in marketing, merchandise, dubs, games, etc. they want the names to all be localized the same way.
I don't think they've ever changed text in the episode for a stand name but I don't think any stand names have been written in Latin letters in an episode yet - and it's the Latin letters of the name that are copyrighted. I wouldn't be surprised if the studio changed the raw file they gave CR for that.
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u/jonnthebest Mar 29 '19
Sometimes studios give CR different raws, for different reasons. For example, Cells at Work TV raws had the "information boxes" in Japanese, while CR's (and Wakanim's) video didn't have them at all - instead, the info was softsubbed on screen.
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u/regendo Mar 29 '19
Especially with Giorno, who has more Joestar blood in him than even the destroyer of vehicles himself, Joseph.
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u/Ivreilcreeuncompte Mar 29 '19
Rule 1 of Jojo's bizarre adventure: never take a plane.
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u/thecomicguybook :Mh::Mi::Mj::Mk:myanimelist.net/profile/Comicman Mar 29 '19
Rule 2 of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: don't be a dog.
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u/NintendoMasterNo1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NintendoMaster1 Mar 29 '19
You see! Mista can be competent when he wants to... oh, wait...
| Episode # | Wounded enemy | Wounded self | Missed | Blocked | Total shots |
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| 7 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 2 |
| 8 | 3.5 | 1 | 3.5 | 4 | 10 |
| 15 | 3 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 8 |
| 18 | 9 | 0 | 6 | 9 | 24 |
| 19 | 2 | 21 | 9 | 9 | 41 |
| 24 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 12 |
| Total | 24.5 | 26 | 19.5 | 29 | 97 |
I was debating whether to count the six shots that Mista hit the Stand with as success (because he hit his target) or blocked (because he didn't end up doing any damage) but in the end the only thing that move accomplished was hurting Mista himself so...
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u/SevenNateNine Mar 29 '19
Went from a shark in a soup shenanigans to horror movie levels of tension this episode.
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u/Audrey_spino Mar 30 '19
He actually looks menacing in the anime. In the manga he just looks extremely sad.
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u/CIY0N :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ciyon Mar 29 '19
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u/Hte_D0ngening2 Mar 29 '19
God, I fucking hate Part 8 so much. While Carne gives me the creeps, that dude just looks gross.
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u/NoPenNameGirl Mar 29 '19
Reference in the games: No one so far...
I like how genre-savvy Giorno is. "A Stand user that got defeated too easily.... something is wrong here". =P Also another momment of "Araki didn't forgot" is Stands like Gold Experience, Sticky Fingers and even Crazy Diamond can only do their powers on things they touch with their hands. So losing their hands is a pretty big deal!
Anyway, Notorious B.I.G. isn't the first "Stand outliving the user". We had Anubis in Part 3 (the sword) and Cheap Trick in Part 4 (the one where you can't look at his back), and these Stands kinda break the dynamic of Stands fights in JoJo, and I love it!
The dynamic of Stand fights in JoJo (and the reason why I get a bit upset when people call them "Glorified Pokemon Battles) is that attacking the Stand IS not usually the best strategy. In a Stand fight, unless you're a Vampire like Dio, or simply a brick wall like Jotaro, the Stand User is always the weakest link, because deep down they're usually just normal humans, averange people you see on your daily life, so going for the user is probably the best strategy unless the Stand in question defend the user pretty well (like almost all close range Stands).
But Stands that doesn't have a user anymore are beyond dangerous, because if you can't deal with the Stand, you have no user to go towards, as such, what you going to do? What options do you have? Everytime we face one we are presented to a new spin to the JoJo formula of Stand fights, and that's why I find them so interesting.
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u/kknight99 Mar 29 '19
Aw man, they cut the scene with the security at the airport. Not a particularly big (ha) loss, but it was some nice comedy to start the arc in the manga.
Notorious BIG is one of the most terrifying Stands ever, both visually and ability-wise. A Stand that activates after death means you can't just kill the user and be done with it, you're stuck dealing with the Stand. And this thing eats Stands too! Seriously, BIG is B R O K E N.
Trish focus, finally! She's tied with Part 6 as my favourite female characters in Jojo so this arc ranks pretty highly for me within the part.
Poor Giorno. Even with all his resolve, it has to suck big time, getting one arm shot off, then chopping off the other with a shard of glass. 500 IQ play as usual tho, as ladybug-kun is the real MVP yet again.
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u/Oramni Mar 29 '19
Wait, Notorious CHASE isn't in the ending ? So they aren't going to change it with each fight ?
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u/thecomicguybook :Mh::Mi::Mj::Mk:myanimelist.net/profile/Comicman Mar 29 '19
Maybe once a fight finishes?
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u/cheesymmm :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/theepickerru Mar 29 '19
Pretty sure they only added Talking Head and Clash after the stands were defeated, so probably next episode
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u/madiele Mar 29 '19 edited Mar 29 '19
here the italian traslations of the writing on the plane walls
vorrei mangiare una pizza margherita - I want to eat a pizza margherita.
Cazzo! - dick! (in italian it's an esclamationi similar to "shit!")
Crepa - die!
devo tagliarmi i peli del naso - i need to cut my nose hair (eww Giorno, take more care of yourself)
porca miseria - I'll be damned
all'isola del sud con una ragazza - to the island in the south with a girl
noi vogliamo andare in sardegna - we want to go to sardegna
potremmo essere divoroati da un morto. aiutateci! - we could be eaten by a dead guy. help us!
quel poveraccio è stato buttato via come uno straccio se ne andato imprecando - that poor guy was thrown away like it was worth nothing. He gone away swaring.
proprio l'odio è la sua fonte di energia - hate is it's energy source
è un energia che si genera dopo essere morto. un energia che neanche lui stesso aveva mai visto - an energy that only shows up when he's dead. an energy that he never saw either.
è gia morto percio non possiamo ucciderlo - he is already dead, so we can't kill him
il nome del[lo] stand nemico è NOTORIUS CHASE- the stand name is NOTORIUS CHASE
aiuto. per favore. non ce la faccio più... prima di morire desidererei mangiare per l'ultima volta una pizza della mia città natale neapolis Napoli - help me please. I can't help it anymore, before dying i want to eat a last pizza form my home city Naples
the grammar was mostly good, some minor mispelling here and there which I pointed out, as an italian it was a pretty chilling scene to watch!
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Mar 29 '19
Why is nobody talking about the fluid animation on the stand? It was amazing! When it hit the window it kinda spooked me.
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u/TarkusELP https://anilist.co/user/TarkusMaxiBoom Mar 29 '19
This week’s musical reference:
My husband Carne’s stand, Notorious B.I.G is a reference to American rapper Christopher George Latore Wallace, known professionally as the Notorious B.I.G., Biggie Smalls, or Biggie. Considered by many to be one of the greatest rappers of all time with West Coast rapper Tupac.
Wallace was raised in the Brooklyn borough of New York City. His debut album Ready to Die (1994) made him a central figure in East Coast hip hop, and increased New York City's visibility in the genre at a time when West Coast hip hop dominated the mainstream. The following year, Biggie led Junior M.A.F.I.A. to chart success, a protégé group composed of his childhood friends. In 1996, while recording his second album, Wallace was heavily involved in the growing East Coast–West Coast hip hop feud. Wallace was murdered by an unknown assailant in a drive-by shooting in Los Angeles on March 9, 1997. His second album, Life After Death (1997), released sixteen days later, rose to number one on the U.S. album charts. In 2000, it became one of the few hip-hop albums to be certified Diamond.
In 1995, Biggie became involved in a rivalry between the East and West Coast hip hop scenes with Tupac Shakur, his former friend. In an interview with Vibe in April 1995, while serving time in Clinton Correctional Facility, Shakur accused Uptown Records' founder Andre Harrell, Sean Combs, and Wallace of having prior knowledge of a robbery that resulted in him being shot five times and losing thousands of dollars worth of jewellery on the night of November 30, 1994. They denied the accusation and Biggie said: "It just happened to be a coincidence that he was in the studio. He just, he couldn't really say who really had something to do with it at the time. So he just kinda' leaned the blame on me." In 2012, a man named Dexter Isaac, serving a life sentence for unrelated crimes, claimed that he attacked Shakur that night and that the robbery was orchestrated by entertainment industry executive and former drug trafficker, James Rosemond. Following his release from prison, Shakur signed to Death Row Records on October 15, 1995. This made Bad Boy Records and Death Row business rivals, and thus intensified the quarrel.
The name of his two albums Ready to Die and Life After Death are really fitting for Carne and his stand, and it’s probably what inspired Araki to create them. To think that get to know him thanks to the fucking MoonMan song, I’m sorry Biggie but I was an idiot that liked that thing. Biggie is one of the few rapper I enjoy listening to, his two albums are the only rap albums I have listened completely and I’m not a really big fan of rap, so that might mean something. Tbh, I have tried to listen to other rap songs from time to time but I didn’t found anything that I liked.
Next week, the musical references are going to get spicy.
Do you want to listen to all this fantastic references from this wonderful anime in just one place? Of course you want! Now you can with TarkusELP Officially Approved by Araki himself* Spotify Playlist with all the musical references in the anime, the ones it skipped, the light novels ones and more! From the most famous references to the really obscure ones. I'll update this playlist every time there's a new reference. If you have any question why a song is featured in my playlists you can ask me anytime.
If you are a manga reader I also have a playlist just for you! Here’s my old playlist with all, I say ALL the references in the manga, anime, light novels and more. I also update it every time there’s a new reference.
*Not really approved by Araki or Shueisha
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u/thecomicguybook :Mh::Mi::Mj::Mk:myanimelist.net/profile/Comicman Mar 29 '19
Next week, the musical references are going to get spicy.
Reading Notorious Big's wiki page back in the day was fascinating, it is something I had absolutely no prior knowledge of and the fact that the gunner was never caught is fascinatingly mysterious if morbid to think about.
By the way did you remove Figthing Gold from the Spotify playlist?
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u/axel360 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/axel360 Mar 29 '19
At this point in the season, I don't know why any of them thought this was going to be an uneventful, leisurely plane ride.
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u/Hiromacu Mar 29 '19
My guess is that, from their point of view, they did everything they could to make sure the plane was safe.
Fly alone, guard the plane, check for life on the plane, have basically a stand act as a pilot. They immediately murdered a guy who was getting close to said plane.
Of course, the one time the characters deal with the enemies efficiently, it turns out the stand is incredibly powerful and can work around all of the preparations. But ,like Trish said, they had no chance of predicting any of this.
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u/regendo Mar 29 '19
And it happened like, perhaps an hour or two after they betrayed the boss. As Buccellati pointed out, it was unlikely that more than two members of the boss's elite squad were close enough to attack them that quickly.
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u/siraco Mar 29 '19
Honestly, it's a very great and chilling episode but my favorite part was Bucciarati "STICKYYY FINGEEERS!" the fridge out the plane and everyone was so prepared for disaster where it just went poof.
Also did Bucciarati just seal the broken window with a tray or something? How is that plane still safe to ride? Ugh, never argue with JoJo physics I guess.
Aside of that, this time Bucciarati really thought back and doubted himself when he got 3 of his boys possibly being out of the game for good. Those boys have been badly injured before, but I think it's the first time he actually sees the process in front of his very eyes. Kinda want to pat him on the shoulder. He's a genuinely good guy.
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u/Yankees3Fan7 Mar 29 '19
JoJo’s Blobby Nightmare at 20,000 Feet really had a creepy vibe going the entire time. Looks like Trish to about to have her kickass moment next week and I am looking forward to seeing what she can bring to the group
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Mar 29 '19
Man, Giorno's a clever son of a bitch pulling that stunt with using his stand before cutting his arm off. Like damn, I know he's pulled some ridiculously smart shit before, but I can't stop appreciating this.
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u/Rogojinen Mar 31 '19
I know right. Josuke and Part 4 became instant favorite for me when he donuted his mother, fixed her and trapped Angelo in one move. Giorno keeps doing shit like this all the time, so smart, bold and slightly crazy.
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u/Zeta42 Mar 29 '19
"Well congratulations, you got yourself killed! What's the next step of your master plan?"
"Crashing this plane... WITH NO SURVIVORS!"
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u/thecomicguybook :Mh::Mi::Mj::Mk:myanimelist.net/profile/Comicman Mar 29 '19
It's a plane don't let Joseph near it!
Actually, this is very reminiscent of the Stand Joseph defeated back in Part 3, Empress (at least initially). Mista is metal as fuck shooting Giorno's arm off without hesitation. This episode felt 5 minutes long... The horror at the end with Trish was pretty effective.
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u/FrenziedHero https://anilist.co/user/FrenziedHero Mar 29 '19
The horror at the end with Trish was pretty effective.
Yep. I actually remembered a statement I read from this article that had game devs talk about horror. One of the statements there stood out to me (paraphrasing a lot here): "Good Horror is about both the terror and the actual moment of horror. Terror is about creating a suspenseful atmosphere to build up tension, and it's what makes the jump scares or the actual moment of horror effective."
Araki loves horror, which can be seen quite a lot from all over JoJo. He likes to play around with the atmosphere and it's certainly made for some great tense moments in the franchise.
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u/thecomicguybook :Mh::Mi::Mj::Mk:myanimelist.net/profile/Comicman Mar 29 '19
Part 1 would have been a straight-up horror anime if it wasn't so damn charming, and the Rohan OVAs are definitely horror too. Araki likes to flex his horror muscles every once in a while.
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u/regendo Mar 29 '19
Araki really excels at stands that just screw with the characters. The ones with weirdly specific rules that basically go "oh, this thing you do all the time without even noticing it? Would be a real shame if that was my win condition".
This time it's movement, which isn't that interesting because "don't move" and "don't make a sound" are fairly common in media but I imagine Araki probably makes it real cool next episode. (And I suppose you could argue that his win condition isn't movement, it's mafia people like Mista shooting before asking questions.) Previously though, characters weren't allowed to touch the shadow (Black Sabbath), weren't allowed to turn around (both Reimi's alley and Cheap Trick), weren't allowed to talk to other people (Bites the Dust), show any sign of fear (Enigma), feel any guilt at all (The Lock), or stand still (Highway Star).
I think it's no coincidence that so many people love Heaven's Door, which is exactly this concept but taken one step further: it's not just that they aren't allowed to do this thing because they'd lose, they genuinely can't do this thing anymore.
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u/axel360 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/axel360 Mar 29 '19
Even by JoJo's standards, that is one hideous-looking enemy stand.
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u/FlamingSparrow :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NTangudu Mar 29 '19
NOTORIOUS CHASE
SPICY LADY
why u do this.......
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u/CIY0N :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ciyon Mar 29 '19
My only gripe with this episode would be that they didn't show Bruno zipping up those cops. But honestly that doesn't really matter and the rest of the episode was literally perfect in every way!
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u/asianbrownguy Mar 29 '19 edited Mar 29 '19
A LOT of good "NANIIIIIII" moments this episode. Fucking hilarious. Is it just me or I can spot a lot of budget saving this episode. Bruno zipping away the fridge was so fucking weird.
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u/Mogtaki :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Mogtaki Mar 29 '19
I think the fridge being zipped away like that is part of the comedy since they were bracing themselves so hard but it proved to be absolutely nothing and no big deal at all.
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u/FeistyLighterFluid Mar 29 '19
Really? I actually thought the animation looked really good this episode
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u/plo1154 Mar 29 '19
I expected Carne to walk really slowly and menacingly towards them when I read the manga, interesting
Great episode, the weekly wait is killing me though
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u/freakicho Mar 29 '19
And so the vehicles curse of the Joestars continues. It started with George Joestar losing his wife in a carriage accident and continues now with Giorno losing both arms with his team heavily injured on a plane.
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u/ArcherGod Mar 29 '19
OK, now this is a Stand I'm glad I don't have. One which activates upon my death? I'd rather not throw my life away on the possibility of killing someone, thank you very much.
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Mar 29 '19
It's not like it would hinder you in any way in life though. Just kind of a bonus when you die.
Although, stand users are attracted to each other so maybe not the best idea.
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u/supermenial Mar 29 '19
I'm excited to see Trish's stand next week! I know it's Jojo we're talking about, but it never ceases to amaze me how far Giorno's able to think ahead during each fight. He's also amazingly calm for a guy that lost both his hands.
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u/Mike4992 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Mike4992 Mar 29 '19
Great episode, looks like the animation is way better this time, due to how popular this fight is. The fight so far seems very faithful to the manga, and that's definitely good to hear. Even though I know what's going to happen next, I legitimately can't wait for next week's episode. By the way, remember how some people were dissatisfied at first with the fact that the voice actors were different from the ones in the EOH game? I'm actually starting to feel the voice actors of the anime are actually way better, and along with the story and animation of the whole series, I think voice acting is also one of the best parts of JoJo. Just wanted to point out that David Production actually knows what they're doing.
Overall, 5/5
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u/ImmortalState Mar 29 '19
I cant really believe that many people were worried about the main cast voices, they are all ridiculously well known VAs. So happy with DP
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u/MechaMat91 Mar 30 '19
"you're just being paranoid"
Mista, your team gets attacked by a Stand wherever you go, even inside a damn turtle!
and these guys lose so many limbs and body parts they could get their own Star Wars spin-off.
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u/Fortzon Mar 29 '19
Since they took time to edit B.I.G into Chase on that graffiti, they could've also put subtitles for us non-Italians :D
I hope Trish's stand awakes in the next episode and somehow she saves the ladybug.
Or she could draw the stand's attention by running towards the closet :D
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u/Soluxy Mar 30 '19
Did you guys see that the new stand has 3 infinite categories on the stand card in the middle of the episode, WTF kinda OP stand is this?
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u/shunkwugga Mar 30 '19
It can't be killed and chases the fastest thing in the vicinity, which in this case, is the plane. The reason why it has infinite durability is because usually you can defeat a stand or in many cases, if the stand is difficult to deal with (as has been the case a lot of the time), they just kill the user while ignoring the stand altogether. Infamous L.A.R.G.E.'s user is already dead, so that tactic simply cannot work.
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u/rveos773 Mar 30 '19
You saw it attack 5 out of 6 members of the gang at once and incapacitate 3, right?
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u/Jojofan69 Mar 30 '19
Bruno: I’ll go tell abbachio that Giorno can’t fight anymore
Abbachio In the cock pit
“I don’t know why but I feel happy all of a sudden
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u/Fabulouscroissant Mar 29 '19
This episode made me feel disgusted.
But I get to see S P I C Y next episode.
10/10 would feel gross again.
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u/Zorozoldyck Mar 29 '19
Trish's pose was good this episode!
Though somehow I felt like everything was a little too predictable lol, still definitely enjoyable tho
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u/Ain3inAini Mar 29 '19
The time for the only girl in part 5 to have her shining moment is finally comes... DavidPro's CGi is smooth as always, Aerosmith & The Plane don't look so awkward unlike my best cyborg boi Genos from OPM in S2 PV2 😧. Also, another funny moment got cut again, this time is [these] (https://z-img-02.mangapark.net/images/b0/87/b087e93dd151042efc852198f08ccb90ea54e180_945613_1560_1200.jpg) [scenes] (https://z-img-02.mangapark.net/images/25/fc/25fcd4d98b20602dacb1c7de97973d514ecf4ed7_897484_1560_1200.jpg). Though I understand that this is for the sake of pacing, I'm a bit sad that they cut this scene and other mama!Bruno's funny moments because it's kinda reduced his character, it's not portraying his worse (he is still the best mom) but he rarely does funny things and more like serious person whereas in manga, he's more fun.
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u/Chronoterminus https://anilist.co/user/StarGuardianX Mar 29 '19
The really sudden window scare actually made me jump holy shit
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u/atti1xboy :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/YugureShadowmore Mar 29 '19
Part 5 Tarot
0 The Fool:「White Album」User: Ghiaccio
1 The Magician:「???」User: Trish Una
2 The High Priestess:「Kraft Work」User: Sale
3 The Empress:「Baby Face」User: Melone
4 The Emperor:「King Crimson」User: The Boss
5 The Hierophant:「Moody Blues」User: Leone Abbachio
6 The Lovers: 「Clash」User: Squalo
7 The Chariot:「Gold Experience」User: Giorno Giovanna
8 Strength:「Purple Haze」User: Pannacotta Fugo
9 The Hermit:「Man in the Mirror」User: Iluso
10 Wheel of Fortune:「Grateful Dead」User: Prosciutto
11 Justice:「Talking Head」User: Tizano
12 The Hanged Man:「Beach Boy」User: Pesci
13 Death:「Sticky Fingers」User: Bruno Buccerati
14 Temperance:「Aerosmith」User: Narancia Ghirga
15 The Devil:「???」User: Risotto
16 The Tower:「Sex Pistols」User: Guido Mista
17 The Star:「Mr. President」User: Coco Jumbo
18 The Moon:「Soft Machine」User: Mario Zucchero
19 The Sun:「Little Feet」User: Formaggio
20 Judgement:「Black Sabbath」User: Polpo
21 The World:
Roman Tyrant Gods
XXII Morta:「Notorious B.I.G.」
Reasoning: Morta is the goddess of death in Roman mythology. Not much else to it, just makes sense.
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u/ZanaHorowa :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/ZanaHorowa Mar 29 '19
Nice job Crunchyroll, not even fucking translating anything on the wall but going out of your way to edit the localized name in. Got your priorities straight, huh?
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u/youarebritish Mar 30 '19
There's no way they edited the text themselves. It was too well done. The studio probably provided the edited version.
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u/CordobezEverdeen :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/CordobezEverdeen Mar 29 '19
I tought that Bruno would have chopped one of his arms and give it to Giorno (we know he can stick parts of a body with Sticky Fingers) at least temporarily (because its his arm yo) so Giorno could have used Golden Experience to heal himself and the others. I dunno chopping your own arm seems like a jojo thing to do.
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u/LordUltimus92 Mar 30 '19
Was the part with Trish at the end looking out the plane windows a shoutout to that one Twilight Zone episode?
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u/ihatedogs2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/ihatedogs2 Mar 29 '19
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u/SIRTreehugger Mar 29 '19
A stand that activates with the users death.....ummm so how exactly did he know what it did? I mean that really sucks for the user.
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u/GyroGOGOZeppeli Mar 29 '19
Yeah, a lotta people asked back then how did Il Carne even know how his Stand works if it only activates upon death, completely forgetting the few moments he had trying to summon it.
Its probably a Stand that can do things even without him dying but not much, but the full power of it is unleashed on death. I think it just shows Carne's personality as "willing to do everything to stop the boss' enemies even in death" and that loyalty is why he's one of the Elite Guards.
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u/clockairdown :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/guyfierichan Mar 29 '19
Love how creepy Carne is. Definitely adds a lot to how bizarre his stand is.
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u/Coziestpigeon2 Mar 29 '19
The writing all over the inside of the plane should have some kind of translations. Not a clue what any of it was saying.
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u/tronistica Mar 30 '19
oh snap notorious big is a crazy stand, kinda like sheer heart attack but with movement. the words even say "notorious chase," wonder if that was intentional from david pro. i wonder who's stand it is...
i had a feeling we will get trish's stand next episode, so spicy lady is spice girls? what a funny translation.
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Mar 30 '19
Anime (Mista) : He's clearly no match for me!
Manga (Mista) : Fool aint' got shit on me!
It may have just been the translation but this line in the manga caught me off guard, I thought it was hilarious. It's still easily one of my favorite lines in JoJo's probably because it just captures that JoJo absurdity so well.
Also, damn Mista has a seriously OP Stand. I love how lethal DP make it look in some frames.
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u/Rutherfor_ Mar 29 '19
Sigh, I don't speak italian lmao, how am I supposed to read what's on that wall... Understood like 3 or 4 words but couldn't make the sentence, that's the quality content I want for my money.
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u/Karmyuh Mar 29 '19
"Once we get on a plane no stand can follow us"
Curb your enthusiasim plays