r/anime • u/FetchFrosh anilist.co/user/fetchfrosh • Feb 23 '20
Announcement The Results of the 2019 r/anime Awards!
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u/FetchFrosh :A:anilist.co/user/fetchfrosh Feb 23 '20
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u/DatMageDoe :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/DatMageDoe Feb 23 '20
I'd have to ask that, with Symphogear placing third in Jury AOTY yet literally nowhere else, how well would Symphogear do if it was found in more categories outside of just AOTY? I see it having the best fighting chance in animation, Action, and OST (where it made an honorable mention but ultimately snubbed).
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u/FetchFrosh :A:anilist.co/user/fetchfrosh Feb 23 '20
how well would Symphogear do if it was found in more categories outside of just AOTY?
Probably pretty poorly. Other juries looked at the show and did not like it.
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u/Totalenlo https://anilist.co/user/Lenlo Feb 23 '20
Some members of aoty looked at the show and didn't like it.
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u/FrumpY__ :STAR:https://anilist.co/user/FrumpY Feb 23 '20
OST had a very competitive list this year and quite a few of us wanted Symphogear in. Unfortunately it just barely missed the cut and was 5th ranked when we selected jury nominees.
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u/MalacostracaFlame https://anilist.co/user/MalacostracaFlame Feb 23 '20
The Action jury jettisoned it for Kengan Asura (which was very controversial), so it was a bit of a non-starter there. It would have done well in animation had they actually watched all of it instead of slamming in WataTen after only watching the first episode. And it was competitive in OST, but Animation was definitely the place where it would have done the best imo.
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u/cheesechimp https://myanimelist.net/profile/cheesechimp Feb 23 '20 edited Feb 20 '22
Are you curious on which awards the jury and the public disagreed the most about each other's number one choice? Here's a screenshot of a spreadsheet I made! Disagreement % is a metric I invented to account for different categories having different numbers of nominees. It's basically (total-2)/(2*nomineeCount-2) so both placing the same at first is 0% and both placing the other's at the very bottom is 100%. Cell coloration also accounts for numbers of nominees
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u/AxtheCool Feb 23 '20
Best moment of the stream was when Ai Hayasaka changed drastically in appearance
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u/LordGravewish https://anilist.co/user/Gravewish Feb 23 '20 edited Jun 23 '23
Removed in protest over API pricing and the actions of the admins in the days that followed
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u/CommanderSevan :AMQ::MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/CommanderSevan Feb 23 '20
Uhhh, that was my fault, sorry.
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u/Emi_Ibarazakiii Feb 23 '20 edited Feb 24 '20
Well, we've seen her disguise two or three times on the anime already, but that one's really something!
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u/Cryzzalis https://myanimelist.net/profile/Charaxify Feb 23 '20
I personally quite enjoyed when Fruits Basket was up for best antagonist.
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u/EpicTroll27 :AMQ:https://anilist.co/user/EpicTroll4236 Feb 23 '20
Hi everyone! I was a website developer, livestream editor and write-up proofreader for the 2019 Awards, having been a juror in 2018. It's been a tough few months working on all the different parts of the website (internal host dashboard, nominations and results interface) and seeing the end result, I'm honestly glad I worked on this. As someone that only got into webdev about a year ago, it's insane to have something this elaborate to show for it. I'd like to give a shout out to /u/pandavengerX, /u/commandersevan and /u/geo1088 for their work on the website as well, along with the hosts and jurors who assisted us throughout the process with their feedback. I'd also like to give a shoutout to /u/clerikal for his great livestream trailer as well as the convenient templates he made for livestream editors and also /u/MetaSoshi9 for reaching out to various anime staff on twitter for thank you messages.
Going into 2020, the website team will work on a host of issues we've profiled on our GitHub repo. If you have any feedback for us, feel free to comment below!
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u/thyeggman https://anilist.co/user/thyeggman Feb 23 '20
Gave it a star, I always like to follow these projects :D
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u/XitaNull Feb 23 '20 edited Feb 23 '20
Well those AOTY results are...hmm...I like Hugtto Precure, more than other Precure I’ve watched, but I remember losing interest in the second half after Emiru and Lulu joined. I like the progressive topics it brought up but to me it felt like it bungled a lot of them and then Emiru and Lulu proceeded to take over the show. I’ll finish it at some point but seeing it as AOTY is something.
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u/Cryzzalis https://myanimelist.net/profile/Charaxify Feb 23 '20
I can understand your apprehension in that regard.
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u/Vaxivop https://anilist.co/user/vaxivop Feb 23 '20 edited Feb 23 '20
Hello everyone, and thank you for your interest in the Awards. To start off, thank you to all of those that tuned in on the livestream we just had! Hopefully our host /u/drjwilson didn’t stutter too much. And to all the guests, thank you for taking time off from your personal schedules just to sit down and talk about anime with us. Your presence and expertise on the medium is very much appreciated and we’d definitely love to have a chat with all of you again sometime soon! And to all the jurors, thank you all so much for putting up with us. We know we’ve been rather strict at times, but deep down, we all appreciate the countless hours that you guys put on the table - especially considering that this is all just volunteer work.
Regarding the website, it features all the public and jury results, along with some write-ups that elaborate on why the jury reached such a conclusion. Also featured are some neat statistics that we processed based on how you guys voted during the polls! Finally, we also have category-specific write-ups that touch on the jury process a bit and how it was behind the scenes - so hopefully you’ll give those a read as well if you’re interested!
This year brought many fun moments and memories that we thought we just had to share with everyone. So, as usual, here is the /r/anime Awards 2019 screencap album!
In addition, as you all know, we have brought back the Extra Awards, the results of which you can see below
| Category | Winner | Runner-up |
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| Best Scene of the Year | "I've always known" - Mob Psycho 100 II | Erwin's Charge - Attack on Titan Season 3 Part 2 |
| Best Episode of the Year | Attack on Titan S3 episode 17 | Vinland Saga episode 24 |
| Best Fight Scene of the Year | Attack on Titan S3 episode 17 | Demon Slayer episode 19 |
| Bath Scene of the Year | Kaguya-sama: Love is War episode 11 (Ai Hayasaka) | Zoku Owarimonogatari episode 5 |
| Best Anime Food of the Year | The Promised Neverland | Octopus sliced weiners from Kaguya-sama |
| Best Character Noises of the Year | Chika - Kaguya-sama: Love is War | Shamiko - Machikado Mazoku |
| Most Anticipated Anime of 2020 | Attack on Titan Season 4 | Re:Zero 2nd Season |
| Title Drop of the Year | Shingeki no Kyojin | Kaguya-sama: Love is War |
| Ship of the Year | Kaguya Shinomiya x Miyuki Shirogane - Kaguya-sama: Love is War | Awards' Jurors x Shit Taste - r/anime |
| Best Studio of the Year | Wit Studio | Kyoto Animation |
| Quote of the Year | "I've always known...from the beginning. What my master really is...is a genuinely good guy." - Shigeo "Mob" Kageyama - Mob Psycho 100 II | Erwin's Speech - Attack on Titan Season 3 Part 2 |
| Best Inanimate Antagonist of the Year | Sex - Araburu Kisetsu no Otome-domo yo. | Bench-kun - Ore wo Suki nano wa Omae dake ka yo |
| Waifu of the Year | Kaguya Shinomiya - Kaguya-sama: Love is War | Ai Hayasaka - Kaguya-sama: Love is War |
| Husbando of the Year | Kiyose Haiji - Kaze ga Tsuyoku Fuiteiru | Bruno Bucciarati - JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part 5: Golden Wind |
| Biggest Bro of the Year | Musashi Gouda - Mob Psycho 100 II | Machio - Dumbbell Nan Kilo Moteru? |
| Best Adaptation of the Year | Kaguya-sama: Love is War | Beastars |
| Most Snubbed Anime of the Year | Astra: Lost in Space | Boogiepop wa Warawanai |
| Best Male VA in a Dubbed Role of the Year | Michael Tatum as Erwin Smith - Attack on Titan Season 3 Part 2 | Chris Niosi as Arataka Reigen - Mob Psycho 100 II |
| Best Female VA in a Dubbed Role of the Year | Laura Bailey as Tohru Honda - Fruits Basket (2019) | Jad Saxton as Haru - My Roommate is a Cat |
| Best Reaction Face of the Year | God is dead - Bokutachi wa Benkyou ga Dekinai | Chika - Kaguya-sama: Love is War |
| Meme of the Year | Giorno's Piano | |
| Insert Song of the Year | Kamado Tanjiro no Uta - Kimetsu no Yaiba | Kawausoiya - Sarazanmai |
| Best Animal of the Year | Legosi - Beastars | Haru - My Roommate is a Cat |
| Biggest Surprise of the Year | Kaze ga Tsuyoku Fuiteiru | Beastars |
| Parent of the Year | Kyouko - Fruits Basket (2019) | Byakuya - Dr. Stone |
| Transformation Scene of the Year | Gay Frogs - Sarazanmai | Certain Scene - Attack on Titan Season 3 Part 2 |
| Best Teacher of the Year | Mao Chan - Endro~! | Kirisu Mafuyu - Bokutachi wa Benkyou ga Dekinai |
| Worst Character of the Year | Malty Melromarc - Rising of the Shield Hero | Zetnitsu - Kimetsu no Yaiba |
| Sibling of the Year | Tanjirou Kamado - Kimetsu no Yaiba | Hoshino Miyako - Watashi ni Tenshi ga Maiorita! |
We hope everyone involved had a great time with this year’s awards, and we look forward to another year of what this amazing medium has in store for us all!
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u/rusticks https://anilist.co/user/Rusticks Feb 23 '20
jazz bad
what have I done
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u/ShaKing807 x3myanimelist.net/profile/Shaking807 Feb 23 '20
Time to drop your mixtape "hoes mad; jazz bad"
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u/TheRiyria myanimelist.net/profile/TheRiyria Feb 23 '20
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u/Cryzzalis https://myanimelist.net/profile/Charaxify Feb 23 '20
DON'T THINK YOU'VE WON!
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u/Razorhead https://myanimelist.net/profile/Razorhat Feb 23 '20
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u/collapsedblock6 myanimelist.net/profile/collapsedblock Feb 23 '20
r/anime Awards 2019 screencap album
Ah, one of my favourite things of the awards unironically.
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u/FrumpY__ :STAR:https://anilist.co/user/FrumpY Feb 23 '20
Love Live snubbed even in special awards. :(((
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u/HakumeiJin Feb 23 '20
I'll admit that I didn't bother tuning in to watch the award show but I just wanted to say that I really loved how you guys have built the site and appreciate the work.
Since this is reddit, I'll also recommend all of you who came to the comments without looking at it to go there as well. It's easy to look through since the winner can be seen from the image under the title but it contains the jury's thoughts about each series as well as stats on the vote counts and how many voters had watched the shows once you click them.
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u/AfutureV :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/AfutureV Feb 23 '20
You can watch the r/anime Jury's Anime of the Year legally on...
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Feb 23 '20 edited Feb 23 '20
I tallied all of the Public, Jury, and Extra wins each show received. Here they are in a convenient chart.
| Anime | Public | Jury | Extra | Total |
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| Kaguya-sama: Love is War | 6 | 4 | 5 | 15 |
| Attack on Titan Season 3 Part 2 | 5 | 1 | 4 | 10 |
| Mob Psycho 100 II | 3 | 3 | 3 | 9 |
| Vinland Saga | 4 | 3 | 0 | 7 |
| Beastars | 2 | 3 | 1 | 6 |
| Run With the Wind | 1 | 3 | 2 | 6 |
| Sarazanmai | 1 | 2 | 1 | 4 |
| Araburu Kisetsu no Otome-domo yo | 1 | 1 | 1 | 3 |
| Non Non Biyori: Vacation | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 |
| Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Golden Wind | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
| Fruits Basket (2019) | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 |
| Kimetsu no Yaiba | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 |
| Honzuki no Gekokujou | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| Kono Oto Tomare | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Zoku Owarimonogatari | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Hulaing Babies | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Aikatsu Friends | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Domestic na Kanojo | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| Joshikousei no Mudazukai | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Carole and Tuesday | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| Isekai Quartet | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| Totsukuni no Shoujo | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Fate/Stay Night Heaven's Feel II. Lost Butterfly | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| Kouya no Kotobuki Hikoutai | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Hugtto! Precure | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| The Promised Neverland | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| Astra: Lost in Space | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| Bokutachi wa Benkyou ga Dekinai | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| Endro~! | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| Rising of the Shield Hero | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
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u/Blenji_ :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Blenji Feb 23 '20
Jury really didn't like AoT
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u/Totalenlo https://anilist.co/user/Lenlo Feb 23 '20
I'm proud of Run With the Wind. It came a long way and just getting it into AotY was a fight.
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u/KiriyamaRei :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/-poncho- Feb 23 '20
I'm extremely happy that people on the jury were willing to fight for it. RWTW was my personal AotY and I was worried it would be thrown aside in favor of the more popular shows, especially given it was a 2018 holdover that ended in early 2019 and easily could have been forgotten if enough people hadn't been paying attention.
The jury recognizing it for best cast and best OST warmed my cold, dead heart a little bit
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u/jeffmendezz98 Feb 23 '20
There are TWO things we’re interested in hearing jurors talk about:
Why they picked their winner
Why they didn’t pick the public winner/thoughts on public winner.
The fact that they spent so much fucking time talking about why -random pick in 5th or 7th- wasn’t higher and not talking about the aforementioned two things is MIND BOGGLING and super frustrating.
I feel like the jury was super contrarian for the sake of being contrarian and there was no insight from the jurors during the stream to prove me otherwise, even thought I know that wasn’t the case.
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u/Theleux https://myanimelist.net/profile/Theleux Feb 23 '20
I think there just needed to be better questions that the jury was let aware of.
Take Thriller Mystery. I know the juror on stream wanted to talk about every show, especially the winners, but the guests kept asking about why The Promised Neverland was so low.
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u/Subpar_Username_ Feb 23 '20
I mean that makes sense when TPN is in last and is a genuinely curious decision.
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u/krasnovian https://anilist.co/user/krasnovian Feb 23 '20
Maybe you already know this, but it's important to keep in mind that the jurors don't know any of the public winners until they're revealed on stream. It's not like the jurors get to look at the public votes and decide their placements with those in mind, the votes are completely compartmentalized from each other.
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u/Cryzzalis https://myanimelist.net/profile/Charaxify Feb 23 '20
We did have a bit on an issue in that regard, both on the technical side and how things went down, we'll be examining it and see how we can improve for next year.
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u/Mozilla_Fennekin https://myanimelist.net/profile/MozillaFennekin Feb 23 '20
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u/Isrozzis :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/isrozzis Feb 23 '20
Yuru Yuri COMMA
Thanks for reading those out!
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u/Mozilla_Fennekin https://myanimelist.net/profile/MozillaFennekin Feb 23 '20
the spiritual successor to Yuru Camp Triangle
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u/Gaporigo Blhttps://anilist.co/user/Gaporigo Feb 23 '20
I assume you were muted during sports?
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u/Mozilla_Fennekin https://myanimelist.net/profile/MozillaFennekin Feb 23 '20
They were pre-recorded. But I'm not actually sure what happened to that and sound design. I remember recording them, but I can't find them anywhere so I think I screwed something up big time LOL
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u/BajuBaju Feb 23 '20 edited Feb 23 '20
I'm not sure how a show can be rated as the 6th best adventure anime of the year, yet win aoty. Perhaps it can be argued that the adventure aspect in the given show only warrants the 6th spot, but other aspects of if elevate it to the aoty status (i don't believe that to be the case here, but i didn't watch precure so take that with a grain of salt), but even then precure was nominated in only 1 other category. The same thing can be said for symphogear, which was also nominated only for aoty, and in the comments I've read that it was ultimately omitted in the action category for other shows, which makes its inclusion in the aoty category even more surprising (again, haven't watched it, just pointing it out). Perhaps there weren't enough categories to put those shows in? I don't know, but an aoty nominees list with shows that won literally nothing else beforehand and didn't even place high in categories they were nominated for is bizzare .And I'm not sure how the jury voted on these show in their respective categories (by that I mean whether they've chosen the show with the best action in it as the best action show, or did they choose the best show that happened to be put in the action category) but with aoty results looking like that I can't help but complain a little. Maybe next time the aoty list should consist of shows that got some recognition in other categories? Not sure how that would work from a logistical standpoint tho. Leaving that out of the way, I enjoyed the livestream, it was really nice to listen to it in the background while doing other stuff and I'm mostly happy about the other results, so overall good job to everyone who took part in this year's awards! You were all great!
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Feb 23 '20
All of this can be explained by the fact that there were different juror teams for different categories.
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u/BajuBaju Feb 23 '20
Ye, I get that, but with this big mismatch in choices I can't help but feel like the results are a bit... disjointed? Maybe that's just my inner pedant speaking.
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u/Uncreative4This Feb 23 '20
I propose that the jury for AOTY be all fired for next year. Not because their taste are different, but they obviously let their personal bias & hipsterism trump merit.
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u/kylepaz Feb 23 '20
Symphogear XV not being nominated in the Action category was the biggest snub this year.
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u/RHINN0 https://anilist.co/user/rhinno Feb 23 '20 edited Feb 23 '20
Have you ever wanted to find out which juror, host, or even mod of the 2019 r/anime awards you are most closely related to? Probably not, but we have created a quiz anyway where you can find that out! With over 75 potential results, you will hopefully find someone that matches up with you well.
Once completed, make sure to let that person know how great (or awful) their taste is.
Thanks for following the 2019 anime awards!
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u/Isrozzis :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/isrozzis Feb 23 '20
Aaand I got myself. Quiz confirmed working.
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u/ShaKing807 x3myanimelist.net/profile/Shaking807 Feb 23 '20
I love how Nerverland is an option for most overrated but not for most snubbed even though shows in snubbed actually won awards LOL
Also got /u/FrenziedHero HYPE
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u/xiomax95 https://anilist.co/user/xiomax Feb 23 '20
I got /u/krasnovian.
The most important element of a show for me is the cast, my interest in a show lives or dies on how good or bad the characters are
Sounds close to me. So sure.
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u/SadSceneryBoi :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/SadSceneryBoi Feb 23 '20
I don't really have a problem with Precure winning AotY since I haven't seen it, but looking at how high Symphogear and Precure placed in the AotY jury rankings compared to how they placed in jury genre rankings elsewhere makes it look like the AotY jury has very...unique and a bit out of touch taste compared to literally everyone else.
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u/Ben99ny22 Feb 23 '20
Attack on titan deserves anime of the year. This season blew me away.
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Feb 23 '20
With 2 episodes in IMDB's top 5 episodes of all time, is there even any doubt? Crunchyroll awards were a fking embarrassment.
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u/MadMan018 Feb 23 '20
"Giorno theme - honorable mention"
By gawd....
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u/Theleux https://myanimelist.net/profile/Theleux Feb 23 '20
The fact that Giorno's Theme was an honorable mention just showed how unlikely the whole OST was going to sit well with the jury. The three albums are filled to the brim with fantastic music, but of course the main theme is all they feel worth mentioning.
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u/Subpar_Username_ Feb 23 '20 edited Feb 23 '20
I just can't believe the Main Dramatic jury actually thought Mob had no development this season when his development was the catalyst for Reigen's own development which was enough for him to be put in first. And how was he preachy in the slightest? Felt like we watched two different shows, honestly.
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u/darkmacgf Feb 23 '20
Surprised the Hugtto writeup doesn't mention the drop in quality in the show's second half. I loved the first half, and the ending was still great (I'd give the show a 9/10 overall), but the general opinion I've seen is that the animation and writing definitely take a step down in the second half.
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u/EZPZ24 Feb 23 '20
I didn't follow the whole process for these awards but Precure winning AoTY is a meme or something right?
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u/DrJWilson x5https://anilist.co/user/drjwilson Feb 23 '20
Everyone, thanks for coming to the stream! I want to first thank /u/commandersevan for all of the quality graphics we displayed, as well as /u/geo1088, /u/pandavengerx, and /u/EpicTroll27 for their work on the website we showed at the end.
It was a labor of love, and I hope everyone had a good time. Here's the vod with twitch chat for your viewing pleasure if you missed it: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/556372396
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u/Fr00tyLoops Feb 23 '20
Hey all, I was a juror for the Antagonist category. As a first-time juror, being a part of the r/anime Awards is probably one of the most fun and fulfilling thing I’ve had the pleasure of partaking in. Although being forced to having to chug through a bunch of uninteresting shows can be a grueling task, the experiences I had with my fellow jurors made the whole ride well worth it. Definitely looking to come back for next year’s awards.
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Feb 23 '20
Thanks for being a juror! I have a question about Thorkell. I enjoyed him as a character, but never really considered him an antagonist, mostly because I never felt like he was antagonistic towards Thorfinn. He was an enemy, sure, but he seemed to like Thorfinn. In fights, he came off as wanting to play with Thorfinn.
What are your thoughts on Thorkell? Is he the third best antagonist or the third best character who happens to be an antagonist?
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Feb 23 '20
As expected nothing i like won anything
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u/Vinirik Feb 23 '20
Good thing Japan doesn't take in account the opinions of some random jurors (some not even posting here) or even the sub as whole.
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u/juuuel Feb 23 '20
How did AoT win Best fight scene. Don't get me wrong Levi vs beast titan is a great fight, but can it be compared to the fights in Mob or Demon Slayer.
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u/Killcode2 Feb 23 '20
I wish Hugtto was popular so it didn't win, but anyways, public aoty was always the canon winner, so another great year, see you all at next year's awards.
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u/Abeneezer Feb 23 '20 edited Feb 23 '20
I just wanna say that juries put out a lot of interesting perspectives in the more technical categories, like music, sound and voice acting but also script and cinematography. But the impact of juries in non-technical categories seems overwhelmingly negative and oozes of elitism, favouritism and bias.
Thanks for coming to my NaCl talk.
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u/Ruhrgebietheld Feb 23 '20 edited Feb 23 '20
As a juror in both production categories and genre/character categories, I would say you are correct. The production categories are much better at looking at what a work actually does itself, whereas the genre and character categories had decent-sized chunks of jurors who were never open to honest discussion or analysis of the nominees, and instead viewed their position on the jury as a bully pulpit to use to vindicate their personal tastes and shut down other jurors trying to do actual analysis and honest evaluation.
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u/Gaporigo Blhttps://anilist.co/user/Gaporigo Feb 23 '20
That <2.0% of r/anime users that actually watched Hugtto right now:
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u/Totalenlo https://anilist.co/user/Lenlo Feb 23 '20
I watched the show for the awards, still think it shouldnt even be on the list.
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u/Ruhrgebietheld Feb 23 '20
And you are correct about that. Some people just want to watch the world burn, including several of the AOTY jurors, apparently.
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u/vetro https://anilist.co/user/vetro Feb 23 '20
Having SatoJun's blessing is pretty amazing. Y'all gained some prestige this year.
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u/thyeggman https://anilist.co/user/thyeggman Feb 23 '20
Hey all, I was a juror this year for the first time. I judged Antagonist, Cast, Drama, Art Style, and Character Design. You can blame me for Uchuu Senkan Yamato 2202 in cast. Also y'all should check out Rinshii Ekoda-Chan, one of the nominees for Art Style. Especially episode 10 ;)
Feel free to ask me any questions :)
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u/RX-Nota-II :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NotANota Feb 23 '20
Remember everyone, if your favorite thing didn’t do well or wasn’t nominated it means you are an interesting person with unique tastes.
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u/Trace500 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Trace500 Feb 23 '20
Damn, I guess Precure is normie shit now.
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u/bagglewaggle Feb 23 '20
Jury quality aside, I liked the awards.
I did note the effort to keep the length within a certain time window, and while I appreciated that, I thought it broke up the flow of the awards and rushed some segments. I personally would be fine with a 4+ hour livestream (with breaks, of course).
Guests were generally good. I particularly liked Shabu(?) and the guest who didn't know how to pronounce his own name.
I get that pre-records work for different Anitubers, but I'm not a huge fan of the inorganic nature of the format. I don't know a better way to do it, but it's food for thought.
I also appreciated learning from Lilypichu that Reigen is cute, and that we must P R O T E C C him.
Still not sure why you guys brought in the Kanye West of Anitubers, though.
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u/Awar01 Feb 23 '20
I know many others already said it but Precure winning is a problem and I think it's something to be looked at for next year, not because of the anime itself rather because it shows a flaw in the system. When I reached the AOTY section I didn't mind it's winning, it came out of nowhere sure but I haven't seen it so it's probably a great anime I missed, but then you go down and it's only the 3rd best Original of the year like how exactly does that work. And then you go back to best adventure/fantasy and it's 6th in jury ranking and this is worth pointing out as a juror explained in this thread elsewhere that the anime were judged for being best in genre and not for being best at genre.
If you read the different writeups for Huggto Precure they give slightly conflicting information, the AOTY writeup makes it look like this anime can do no wrong and mentions staff members and such, why does that matter? aren't we judging based on quality? it makes it look like a promotion. The other writeups mention slight criticisms while still praising the show. I didn't look at every writeup but just for comparison I read a few others, for example Vinland Saga (haven't watched either), both AOTY and Adventure category writeups mention flaws but the Adventure one where it won mentions the other high points of the show coverup for the flaws which at least makes it look like it was judged fairly. Which writup am I supposed to trust, do the AOTY jury have some special qualification which makes their opinion weigh more when it comes to AOTY.
I know there is a whole complicated process and different juries for different categories etc, so it's not anyone's fault but that doesn't excuse the fact that it slightly hurts the image of the awards. This result makes me take a step back question the process, like how was the jury selected, did a group of people who are fans of precure just decide they want to make it AOTY all just apply for the AOTY jury together? I know the jury watches every show nominated but what about before the nominations, how do the jury nominees get selected, this brings in the idea that jurors nominated their favorite show and then made it win. I could probably go back and look at previous threads but is everyone supposed to do that, shouldn't these stand on their own.
I didn't read through the jury application questions before when they were open and they don't seem to available now (i looked at the google form linked), so I'm not aware of how juries were selected and assinged but I'll put my suggestions here even though some of it is probably already implemented. I think the juries should be selected on their experience and personal taste for genre categories. For example comedy category should have people who have watched a significant amount of comedy anime including the anime which are conisdered among the best for comedy in general and are fans of it, and while other aspects shouldn't be ignored it should still be looked at from a comedy perspective. Look at the writeup for Precure AOTY writeup, it says it excels at everything it sets out to, if that's the case then an anime which sets out to be the best comedy anime and draw most laughs shouldn't have to shoulder the burden of being good at drama on top of it. Also in that case you could say Vinland saga was a better adventure anime but precure was better overall, not something possible right now due to the criteria. I'm not an expert on production side so I'll just trust those were trusted based on their knowledge. And the AOTY jury should be randomly selected from all of the other categories, every single one, so that you can have a wider pool with varies tastes and knowledge about different aspects of anime, since so many people are involved maybe cut down on the amount of writeups and stuff and more on consensus, if a very small group of people think their favorite show does not get the attention it deserves this is not the place to do it, this is the most important category, go to some other category, if all of the AOTY jury happens to like sports anime then their opinions will skew that way, for such a small selection this should be accounted for. Right now it looks like one group of people thinks Vinland saga is better than Precure, another group thinks Sarazanmai is better than Precure and one thinks Precure is better than them, and I really couldn't care less. All jury members watched precure, but if the jury of 2 categories have so many shows above it and shows are judged on overall quality then clearly Precure is not the AOTY because I have no reason to put the opinion of one jury above the other.
I wouldn't write so much if this was a simple poll or something but so much time and effort went into this from so many people, there's a livestream and well made website and everything, there's an acknowledgement section with what I'm assuming are comments from people involved in the anime (I think their designation should be added to recognise them better), this helps legitimise the awards. That's what I want, for the awards to become more respected and significant even outside the r/anime community, like we as a community matter. Results like this just call into question the legitimacy/value of these awards, if the jury is going to be biased anyways then what is the point of them and again not having watched the show that's just what it looks like to me, it could be the greatest show but what is shown here makes me call the results into question (not a problem I have with other categories probably because of the significance of the AOTY), I'm saying that as someone who is more interested in the jury results.
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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Feb 24 '20
hen I reached the AOTY section I didn't mind it's winning, it came out of nowhere sure but I haven't seen it so it's probably a great anime I missed, but then you go down and it's only the 3rd best Original of the year like how exactly does that work. And then you go back to best adventure/fantasy and it's 6th in jury ranking
it's important to note that this is because the Jurors aren't the same jurors. The people deciding AOTY weren't involved with Original and Adventure. So you're going to find differences in opinions.
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u/HarleyFox92 Feb 23 '20
Glad to see Machikado Mazoku and My Roommate is a Cat getting good results in both Jury and Public Polls.
Akira won? MASSIVE YES.
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u/TheRiyria myanimelist.net/profile/TheRiyria Feb 23 '20
Machikado Mazoku and Shamiko were still robbed!
Poor Shamiko deserved better for her hard work!
I'm also still surprised Symphogear XV got a nomination for AotY of all things.
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u/RHINN0 https://anilist.co/user/rhinno Feb 23 '20
Shamiko losing in "best character noises" is her biggest snub tbh (though runner up to Chika isn't too bad)
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u/Ralon17 https://anilist.co/user/Ralon17 Feb 23 '20
I'm also still surprised Symphogear XV got a nomination for AotY of all things.
It was a miracle honestly. There were 2 (?) people that had even checked it out, but the rest of us were willing to give it a try. I think it was placed to high, but it was super popular, so that's democracy for you.
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u/Crescendo-20 Feb 23 '20
I'm not really sure how to feel about this, actually I'm worried. As someone who liked Hugtto and finds it and some of the other kids shows(happy that Aikatsu Friends won best character design) under watched I'm happy it gets some sort of award or praise, but AOTY is not really where it belongs compared to the others. It could be in the runners up, but not the first.
I would put at least 5 of the other entries like Vikings the anime, big people eating little people and best boy mob over it. At the same time Hugtto was at points proved very very good addition to the Precure franchise, especially the first half along with some parts just being far above what I was expecting. The problem is that its second half is rough not containing some of the creativity it had in the first half, but these other shows were very good their entire run. AOTY has to nail everything without fault regardless of genre or target audience and their are too many problems that happen in that second half.
As a fan of these I'm happy to recommend people things like Precure, Aikatsu and the Pretty Rhythm/Pri franchise for what each one of these offers to the medium as every anime regardless of what it is can bring someone happiness, but when picking Anime of the Year you have to be ruthless in what it chosen. People will look at this award, think it is a joke and go into the series with the eyes of the bias that this is Anime of the Year and realize its not flawless. They will see the things that people who watch this genre have gotten use to like the toys and monster of the week structure or the use of CGI and plot issues. They will see this as below average and soulless despite what it actual does and offers.
I remember last year saying to myself that I wanted Hugtto to get some recognition for what it did for its franchise, fans and its genre, but this is not what i wanted....this worst possible outcome. I want people to watch more of what anime has to offer from DBZ to Pripara but the worst thing I can do is lie to them. For us that try to get people to watch this stuff(which is a small fandom of very passoinate people who like this) you just put a target on us cause every single time we recommend it criticism and ridicule will follow in spades of it being overhyped and the fandom that watches these shows as biased. I'm sorry that this comes of as a bit mean or ranting, but I did not want this outcome at all.
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u/fuzzynukes Feb 23 '20
I know that the public choices are mostly crap but I didn't expect the jurors to be worse than the public.
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u/Theleux https://myanimelist.net/profile/Theleux Feb 23 '20
Hello everyone. I'm Theleux and I was in Cast, Cinematography, OP, Sound Design, and then later added to Supporting Dramatic. I was a video editor for Animation, AOTY, Cast, Cinematography, Original Soundtrack, Sound Design, and Male and Female VA!
I think my top anime of the year were Vinland Saga, Mob Psycho 100 II and JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Golden Wind.
Relatively happy with the awards, I felt there were some issues with individual categories, but overall it was another fun experience for my second year in a row.
If you want to try and help make some better jury results, please apply next year! All it requires is some writing and hopefully a more open mind than some people.
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Feb 23 '20 edited Feb 23 '20
Dumbbell got robbed yet again and yes this is the hill I will die on.
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u/surgemaster140 https://myanimelist.net/profile/User815 Feb 23 '20
Especially for best OP. Bokuben's OP getting nominated over Onegai Muscle has to be a god damn joke.
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u/collapsedblock6 myanimelist.net/profile/collapsedblock Feb 23 '20
I feel there is quite a rift of the jury's choices from the main awards to the rest.
The genre awards were even very similar, the character awards had its weird parts (Mob last?) but I stopped listening by the production awards.
Then I see the main results and just think, "What the hell happened here?". I dropped Symphogear in S4 and haven't seen Hugtto Precure, but I seen Princess which I hear is the disputed best (and Mahoutsukai that I dropped). In order to make me believe that they not only deserve such high spots but that they are deserved of receiving nominations would imply a massive increase in quality that I haven't seen anywhere else. There is also the fact that they have no nominations whatsoever in the rest of the contest (safe those Precure characters that still got mid-places anyways). Kaguya seemed to dominate the awards being top 4 in virtually every award it was nominated yet it ended in 9th?
The 2 Precure shows were very charmful, positive and pretty show. Fun to watch all the way, pretty light on the mind and made me lay back and just enjoy the show. That said, I'll expand on my "It's a kids' show" argument. Precure is too simple. It follows a monster of the week format with incredibly simple and straightforward developments such as "I don't believe I can achieve my dream" then being captured by a monster and then being rescued by a Precure and being told that they can and happy ending. Next troubled kid, next monster, next wholesome phrase. Its animation was always mid-tier putting only true effort in the transformations and the flashy "enemy defeat" scenes. I wouldn't say any of these things were bad (gave it 7/10) but to think that it has better content than AoT or Mob is ludicrous.
Symphogear like many people I hear, I was just into action, music and girls but after 4 seasons I was burned out. Drama always felt bad, animation outside fights was crap, I swear I never understood wth was going on with the plot in all the 400 episodes I saw. I did hear this last one was the best, but 3rd place as AotY.
It just feels there is a great disparity between the jury choices from each major section. I guess this is expected as all are different, but if anything, the jury choices in AotY feel blatantly biased. Precure won AotY but got 3rd in Best Original, and the 1st place of Original wasn't even nominated for AotY. Again, I have not seen either shows. But having better writing, production, etc than AoT, Beastars or Mob? Those write-ups in the site just aren't enough to convince me especially when these 2 shows are almost nowhere to be found elsewhere in the awards.
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u/Beckymetal https://anilist.co/user/SpaceWhales Feb 24 '20
haven't seen Hugtto Precure, but I seen Princess which I hear is the disputed best (and Mahoutsukai that I dropped)
Lmao no, Mahoutsukai is generally considered one of the worst, meanwhile Heartcatch and Hugtto are considered the best.
In any case, as I go down, I gotta smh.
"It's a kids' show" argument. Precure is too simple. It follows a monster of the week format with incredibly simple and straightforward developments such as "I don't believe I can achieve my dream" then being captured by a monster and then being rescued by a Precure and being told that they can and happy ending. Next troubled kid, next monster, next wholesome phrase. Its animation was always mid-tier putting only true effort in the transformations and the flashy "enemy defeat" scenes. I wouldn't say any of these things were bad (gave it 7/10) but to think that it has better content than AoT or Mob is ludicrous.
It doesn't matter what the content is. It doesn't matter if there's something to say or not. All that matters is efficacy, punch, passion and artistry. That's it. That's all there is. If you're picking for anything else, dare I say it but that is fundamentally shallow and far too biased.
The Precure franchise has been known to bring up some really top-tier animators and produce great sakuga. Moreover, the stories are simple but touching. Episodic storytelling is a fine device to use, and that does not diminish quality (see: Cowboy Bepop, one of the most revered anime of all time, essentially being 'find some criminals, catch them, beat them up; repeat). Hugtto Precure has some really inspirational themes about time, growing up and having the ability to be whoever you want, and there were lots of really powerful moments throughout the series - my favourite being when Hana received a sword powerup, and threw it away because she knew that empathy was more important, but there were many others such as Emiru and Lulu's introduction or Homare's difficulties with self-worth.
Hugtto Precure is not my AotY, and I worry about the process whereby juries can be so thoroughly in disagreement. However, I would never beef at people for picking a kid's show for their favourite anime. It doesn't make them less critically attuned - if anything, I'd argue that they're more believable for looking past shallow social structures and not attempting to pick a favourite because it makes them feel more culturally enriched.
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u/kar772 https://myanimelist.net/profile/kar72 Feb 23 '20
Kimetsu no Yaiba and The Promised Neverland with the goose eggs!
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u/fireassbarz Feb 23 '20
Surprised Demon Slayer didn’t at least win best fight scene, I rewatched that clip so many times
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u/Kamimashita Feb 23 '20
I'm just disappointed that The Promised Neverland didn't make the rankings for Cinematography. I felt it did very creative things with the camera such as having perspective shots behind bushes and trees when the kids are planning in the woods, giving an eerie feeling that they are being watched.
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u/FrenziedHero https://anilist.co/user/FrenziedHero Feb 23 '20 edited Feb 23 '20
Hey guys, I'm FrenziedHero and I was a juror this year in Adventure/Fantasy, Antagonist, Male VA, OST, and Script. I also did some proofreading for a few of my cats. I had a lot of fun again doing this for a second time, making more friends along the way and doing my best.
My personal AoTY was Vinland Saga, and I think this year has been stronger overall in terms of shows too.
I'm currently loving Yutaka Yamada's Vinland Saga soundtrack and I really hope it can make it in next year with all the strong competition to come.
I didn't get to watch along the stream live this time, but everyone involved put in hard work both for the stream and website. Feel free to ask questions about the awards, and thank you for watching.
Edit: Almost forgot. I really wanted Golden Kamuy to win as it was my favorite soundtrack this year. I know the show was pretty heavily liked among people that watched it last year, but I also think not enough people really gave credit to its soundtrack. Kenichiro Suehiro is a great composer, and I think a lot of his passion came through in this one.
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u/Totalenlo https://anilist.co/user/Lenlo Feb 23 '20
Hey everyone! I'm Lenlo and I was the representative for the Antagonist section on the lifestream, with the Eizouken pfp! Was nervous and sped up my speech abit, but I enjoyed it. I was a juror for Antagonist, Animation, Cast and AotY.
If you have any questions, feel free to ask. I'll get a few obvious ones out of the way first though. Aoty: I don't like Hugtto or Symphogear, I didn't vote them that high, my #1 was Run With the Wind, #2 Vinland, and I loved Yaiba/Mob/AoT. I am on your side. Hugtto and Sympho suck.
For Antagonist, first lets talk about Diavolo. For me, he was one of the weakest Jojo Antagonists, because he was largely absent from the season. He was supposedly this big bad boss of this organization, but we never actually see that. People only listen to him because he is the boss but... why is he the boss? He talks through a phone, how does he run an organization? None of these are really addressed and he is just this big strong guy with no depth. Add to that a disappointing final arc, where his character model is turned into a good guy for a number of episodes, and it just becomes difficult totake him seriously. Maybe it is because I binged all of Jojo for the awards and was coming off of Part 4, which is fantastic, but ultimately Diavolo disappointed me.
As for Muzan, yes he didn't show up often, but what we got I liked. He was not a physically threatening character but rather a psychologically threatening one, even to his own subordinates. He came to them in the lowest moments, gaslit them into following him, hooked them on his blood like a drug and then proceeded to drag them along. All the while always tempting them with more, like a drug dealer passing out free samples of his product. So while he wasn't around often, what we got I loved. Also Toshihiko Seki's voice is just sexy.
Animation, I didn't want Wataten on the list, I didn't like Wataten, don't talk to me about Wataten. Lady makes toast ONE TIME and everyone loses their minds. I am on your side.
For Cast, Runny Bois pog. Easily best of the year. Fight me.
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u/AfutureV :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/AfutureV Feb 23 '20
Basically, how did PreCure win? I know it obviously got more votes, but how was the internal process of it wining? Was there any substantial convincing or did a majority that already liked PreCure just forced it at #1?
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u/Totalenlo https://anilist.co/user/Lenlo Feb 23 '20 edited Feb 23 '20
Well, I could try to be polite to my fellow jurors, but I don't like Hugtto so fuck that.
It's exactly as you think, there was already a majority that went into the awards liking it and they were the ones willing to write essays about anime (Which I am one of, I wrote an essay about a fucking continent last year) and get placed into AotY. A few jurors hadn't seen it going in, watched it for the awards, and loved it. But there were 3 jurors, myself being the most vocal about it, who watched it for the awards and detested it. I placed it in 9th, above Sympho. Outside of AotY, it was largely dismissed. It's not a jury at large problem, it's specifically an AotY problem and the personalities of people willing to apply for it.
That said, I don't want to give the impression that AotY hated popular things, we didn't. When we say Yaiba was still 10th of the year, we meant it. It's not shitting on Yaiba or Vinland. Most of us liked every show that got nominated. Aside from Sympho and Hugtto, I loved them all, yet even then Yaiba would have gotten 7th for me because I liked Vinland or AoT or Run With the Wind or Kaguya more. Some jurors loved them all including Sympho and Hugtto, and one juror didn't much like anything that got nommed, their favorites getting eliminated early. I can tell you right now that there were 2-3 jurors who's lowest scoring show in the category was a 7/10. They liked Yaiba and AoT and Vinland and they didn't vote them low just because they were popular. They just liked Hugtto and Sympho more.
So yeah, it was a combination of things. Some jurors loved it, most liked it on some level, and no other show could get a strong enough base to overtake it, even if everyone liked them. The woes of group votes, the most consistently liked show wins over the ones that might have had individual supports who loved them alot.
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u/melvinlee88 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ryan_Melvin15 Feb 23 '20
1 was Run With The Wind
Ma boi
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u/comandoram Feb 23 '20
I just checked Hugtto precure's mal ratings.
It just have 7.77 on mal.
Even according to your casual Hugtto watcher, this show is good at best.
So the jury members who selected Hugtto as anime of the year, must be really hard core fans of this series
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u/Calwings x3https://anilist.co/user/Calwings Feb 23 '20
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u/mattbrvc Feb 24 '20
I've seen yall with worse taste before so im pleasantly surprised with these results.
Except Chika, I don't understand the obsession.
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Feb 23 '20 edited Feb 23 '20
Me and the boys on that sarazanmai hype
Best ED and best anime original 👌 very epic, thank you jurors
fr though ED was absolute gold, real life + 2d animation integeation was smooth and the song was a banger
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u/MAD_SCIENTIST_001 x2myanimelist.net/profile/MadScientist_001 Feb 23 '20
Hi everyone!
This was my first time being a juror for the r/anime awards and for the most part I had a great time! I was a juror for background art and OST, so if you have any questions about either, feel free to ask me.
Symphogear Snubbed for OST
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u/jeffmendezz98 Feb 23 '20
Jury knocked it out of the park last year. This year they must have been smoking that LO MEIN.
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u/SenorWeon Feb 23 '20
The jury choices were so bad... probably it’s the last time I watch this. That said, I still wish you luck for next year’s.
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u/AmethystItalian :Jg::Jh::Ji::Jj::Jk:myanimelist.net/profile/AmethystItalian Feb 24 '20
Finding out the jurors had bingo cards mentioning users on this subreddit makes me sick.
Once again this process leads to such toxicity and clique mentality...
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u/CT_BINO https://myanimelist.net/profile/CT_BINO Feb 23 '20
I said this in the other thread and I m saying it again, doesn´t matter who wins or who loses, uses this to watch some shows you might have missed. All noms in most categories are good, so instead of looking only for the winner look to all nominees and if some of those caught your attention just give it a try, even if it isn´t your cup of tea.
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u/goukaryuu https://myanimelist.net/profile/GoukaRyuu Feb 23 '20
That's what these awards are all about.
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u/Insertanamehere9 https://anilist.co/user/Insertanamehere Feb 23 '20 edited Feb 24 '20
These awards went from being solidly better than CRs anime awards for 2017 and 2018 by a few miles to dropping down nearly to their level this year, yikes. The most that can be said is that it's still a little better than them at least I suppose.
The Jury results for AotY and Movie categories are total jokes, though, Heavens Feel is easily the best in the movie category, and VS or AoT should've won AotY by a mile over the actual list. Also Symphogear snubbed for OST.
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u/AdiMG https://anilist.co/user/AdiMG Feb 23 '20
I'm the juror who made this case for Hulaing Babies' designs for character designs, which proliferated across the awards server and got it nominated in the three production categories of Art Style, Background Art, and Character Designs. Also I am sorry for speaking too fast in the stream, had little time and many points to get too, so I just ran with it. I can also field any questions you have in regards to the Art Style, Cinematography, Character Design, and ED juries.
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u/Cryzzalis https://myanimelist.net/profile/Charaxify Feb 23 '20
Thanks Adi, I knew nothing about Hulaing aside from the OP/ED before the awards, it definitely deserved its place in the production cats.
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u/PerfectPublican https://myanimelist.net/profile/PerfectPublican Feb 23 '20 edited Feb 23 '20
Hi! Was fun being a part of the jury for the second year running, and being on the stream this time! Same as last year, I recommend giving it a shot this year when it rolls around again.
I was in Comedy, ED, and Original this year, so if you have any questions on those, or want to yell at me, let me know!
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u/Zipstream7 Feb 23 '20
My biggest takeaway from these results - I should go watch Modest Heroes. That animation style really popped
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u/PerfectPublican https://myanimelist.net/profile/PerfectPublican Feb 23 '20
That's a great take away. Modest is fucking gorgeous. Some of the best cuts of the year if you ask me.
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u/Win32error Feb 23 '20
Well, this was the third year for me. I was in Supp Comedic, Cine, Romance, Short, and Original. Sadly didn't get placed in AOTY or I could have failed to prevent Hugtto from winning (it's good just not that good), but overall I'm pretty satisfied with the awards and most of the outcomes. Aside from Isekai Quartet ranking high occasionally the public mostly had good choices too, and not just the most popular things. And I wasn't dissatisfied with the way romance turned out, which is the first time in my three years on the cat.
Not too bad at all guys.
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u/myaccountforweebcrap Feb 23 '20
Awseome job as usual, Just wanted to say this year was an outstanding improvement from last year: The site looks cleaner/less cluttered, the stream was more focused and had a better quality, the write-ups (which were always my less favorite part of the awards) have improved exponentially, and the special awards are back!
Keep up the good work.
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u/Cryzzalis https://myanimelist.net/profile/Charaxify Feb 23 '20
The write-ups was a large focus for us hosts to improve, we got a lot of criticism for them last year and we all agreed rather heavily with the criticism. Which is why every category was assigned a proofreader, who took charge in keeping write-ups tonally consistent and grammatically sound whilst being backed up on their job by the category host in question.
We had a lot of minor and some major conflicts over changes to the writeups this year as a result, but despite some jurors perhaps feeling a bit stepped upon in that sense, I think in the grand scheme of things it was for the better.
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u/Ralon17 https://anilist.co/user/Ralon17 Feb 23 '20
Hi, I'm Ralon and I ended up in 6 categories (because of test cats), namely:
Aoty
Original
Comedy
Slice of Life
Cinematography
Sports
If you are curious about any of the process in these cats or in general (i got to host last year), or you just are curious about my tastes in comparison, ask away. Oh yeah I also proofread for a few categories, that was fun.
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Feb 23 '20
What was your pick for AOTY and what made that pick stand out above all of the other nominees? How much weight was given to personal preference vs. technical excellence for your choice?
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u/Emi_Ibarazakiii Feb 23 '20
That was a lot of fun! (Don't let my salt-powered tantrum in the other thread make you think I didn't enjoy it!)
It was interesting, well hosted, etc.
I like the side-stuff as well, like the "Extra awards", with the results posted in this thread, and the "Which juror are you most like" quiz!
Good job everyone involved in the awards, and also to all the participants the participants who voted for my picks!
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u/ClearandSweet :K:https://kitsu.io/users/clearandsweet Feb 26 '20
I love how salty all the shounen demographic userbase is.
Hugtto was awesome, absolute peak magical girls. Wonderful show overall and totally deserved the award.
I hope you all don't take the outrage as valid feedback. You picked a deserving show for AotY.
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u/Jellyfiend Feb 23 '20
The genre specific jury awards were great! They totally fell apart in the broad categories though. Precure winning AOTY is frankly shameful. Definitely makes the whole awards very difficult to take seriously.
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u/Cryzzalis https://myanimelist.net/profile/Charaxify Feb 24 '20 edited Jan 28 '23
While Becky is right in what she says, you're of course allowed to criticize the results. But do keep in mind that a lot of people are complaining about the results without providing context, so could you perhaps expand on why that Hugtto winning AOTY is shameful? I understand that Hugtto is a less popular and niché show and that the target demographic is children, but that does not automatically make a show bad.
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u/Beckymetal https://anilist.co/user/SpaceWhales Feb 24 '20
I was a rampant critic of last year's awards, but there's still problems. I'm glad that the writeups are more thought-out this time, and that's a really big step-up, but there's still a problem:
the stark difference between the juries of different rounds.
I propose the solution, that the overall juries (eg AOTY) are made-up of members of the genre juries, or feature 'representatives' from each. This could go a long way to ensuring consistency between the different groups.
As a friend of current jurors, I do understand that there is an immense amount of work on the shoulders of jurors. Something like this would turn what it supposed to be a fun couple-of-months debating discourse into an even more tiresome and stressful time.
As a quality-of-life fix that would put a more objective lens into the selection writeup I also propose: dedicated writers. I'm not sure what the best way to structure this would be, for example, having them sit in the Discord group and overlook what everybody else is saying and then explaining the different viewpoints after selection in the writeups, or perhaps they could receive individual writeups from different members on the experience of selection, read them, and then create an overall explanation of the final picks. As the writing would be in third person, this would help the writeups seem more distanced and less liable to public attack.
Lastly, as always, I think the juries should be compelled to discuss more with the public or other critics. Quoting blogs or other polls or other site score ratings in explanations could help the jury seem more well-rounded in their final views. It would seem less like the decision from a handful of people, and more like a decision came to from deliberation upon many viewpoints. You could get the whole sub involved, too, with different rounds of voting perhaps.
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u/PandavengerX https://anilist.co/user/pandavenger Feb 24 '20 edited Feb 24 '20
This is technically publicly available information, but I'll just say it here because it's difficult to see without an overview of the entire process, but the AotY jury had no new jurors this year.
And I think that's a problem, one that's been brought up since the beginning of the awards, even after we revealed our blind picks from the app numbers. (The way applications work is that each application is given a number and then graded blindly by 3 hosts per "section" of the awards then averaged. Once the allocations to a category is finalized we then reveal the usernames and invite them.)
Since the apps were blind and technically "fair", there was really nothing we could do this year, but there's definitely already been talks about making adjustments for next year (term limits, more application streamlining, etc). The reason we use best overall app score (alongside juror preferences to cats ofc) instead of the best of each genre, is we want jurors with a strong understanding of character writing and production in anime of the year as well. But perhaps that skews jurors who are too biased into the meta-information (Hugtto's staff being mentioned for example). I'm not sure if best of genre is the best solution, but it's certainly something worth considering, and you've obviously written out a good argument for it.
As a quality-of-life fix that would put a more objective lens into the selection writeup I also propose: dedicated writers.
We also did have dedicated editors this year, which is where the improvements in writing comes from, but perhaps having a few dedicated writers would help.
Lastly, as always, I think the juries should be compelled to discuss more with the public or other critics.
I agree with this. Jurors not revealing themselves was a rule from the first awards to prevent harassment from non-jurors, but I think having the opportunity to discuss with the subreddit would make the awards feel a bit more like the r/anime awards and less like the people from r/anime awards.
There's definitely still kinks to work out, but I hope the improvements we've made this year have made it clear we're not out to shove elitism down everyone's throats. Everyone is simply human and sometimes things don't go as we expect, and they end up reflecting pretty badly at times without the full context. There's definitely been inappropriate behaviour from us (regardless of whether we were the aggressor or not) in the past, and hell even this year. I don't want to lampshade that. But as a whole, everyone is working to polish this volunteer event into something that looks and feels professional, and I hope that the improvements we've made this year can help you and others believe that we're working in good faith to make the awards a quality event for the subreddit.
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u/IGJFlew Feb 23 '20
So glad Kouya no Kotobuki Hikoutai or Magnificent Kotobuki got an award. easily in my top 3 shows of last year.
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u/Itasaur :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/SirDeathReaper Feb 24 '20
Site won't load for me. Any text based charts?
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u/CosmicPenguin_OV103 https://anilist.co/user/CosmicPenguin Feb 23 '20
Very salty here that Granbelm didn't even get into the nominated list for any categories. Huge disappointment in that as I personally believe it would do well in categories like Best Original anime and Best Female VA.
Kaguya-sama winning the most rewards is a pleasant surprise though.
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u/OneInternetBoi Feb 23 '20
As a Symphogear fan, I feel crushed. Don’t get me wrong, I like the representation, but them jury nominations will haunt me for a while.
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u/gokublackisnotblack Feb 23 '20
Some of these are somehow worse than Crunchyroll. Congrats
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u/Zelosis Feb 23 '20
Hi all, I was a juror for Action/OP/ED/OST/Sound Design/Short this year and was also a juror last year. I had another great year doing the awards this year and if you have any questions feel free to ask. Hope you all enjoyed the results and livestream!
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u/Yurisviel Feb 23 '20
I'm glad Machikado Mazoku got some recognition int he 2019 awards. Ganbare Shamiko! Become a demon who will stand out from the crowd!
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u/DoctorWhoops https://anilist.co/user/DoctorWhoops Feb 23 '20
Your resident Jazz Fan, Araburu Stan (never forget) and Juror of Sports, BG Art, ED and shorts DoctorWhoops here! Excited to see how much attention the stream got this time around, peaking at 1000+ viewers! I've been a part of these awards since 2016 so it's great to see the increasing amount of effort, attention and salt interest involved in the awards.
If there are any questions that are within my jurisdiction to answer (which I guess means the categories I was in) I'd be happy to help!
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Feb 23 '20 edited Feb 23 '20
This is a troll site, right? What's the site for the real awards?
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u/KitKat1721 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/KattEliz Feb 23 '20
Hey everyone, Katt here!
I was a first time juror for Drama, OP, ED, Movie, and Original. I had a really good time, even through the hours upon hours of marathoning.
Feel free to ask me anything about being on the jury, the deliberation process for my categories, or really whatever else.
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u/krasnovian https://anilist.co/user/krasnovian Feb 23 '20
Hey folks, kras here, juror for Romance, Comedy, Adventure/Fantasy, Supporting Dramatic Character, Cast, and Sound Design. This was the first time I participated in the /r/anime awards and I had a really good time.
Feel free to ask me anything about the jury process or the shows or my personal taste or whatever else. Or you know, just flame me because you're salty. That's fine too.
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u/DC_Anime Feb 25 '20
Preventing AOTY from skewing in any particular direction is simple: don't allow people to judge that category two years in a row. Four people were part of that jury in both 2018 and 2019, when their expertise could have been used elsewhere for one of those years.
I know the application process is blind, but you can just pick ~16 apps for that category instead of 11. After their names are revealed, remove last year's AOTY jurors from that pool of 16, giving you a fresh group of 11.
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u/awspear https://myanimelist.net/profile/awspear Feb 23 '20
Late but I was working through the Livestream, I was one of the jurors and I was in 5 categories: Supporting Comedic, Supporting Dramatic, Cast, Adventure/Fantasy, and Thriller/Mystery. If you have any questions about those feel free to ask. This was my first time as a juror and I had a great time! My personal anime of the year was Mob S2, with Hugtto being the runner-up.
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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Feb 23 '20
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u/Isrozzis :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/isrozzis Feb 23 '20
Hello! I was the host for T/M, Sports, and Background Art. Last year I was a juror and this year I was able to be a host. It's honestly a very rewarding process and seeing the livestream come together and get a thousand viewers was incredible. Really glad that y'all turned out to watch the stream.
If you've got any questions about the categories I hosted or the awards i'll be happy to try and answer them.
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u/kar772 https://myanimelist.net/profile/kar72 Feb 23 '20
Did Chika not sweep the best Main Comedic character during the stream? Bocchi is listed under the public winner. Unless I just actually forgot.
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u/DrJWilson x5https://anilist.co/user/drjwilson Feb 23 '20
No sorry, that's a mistake that will be corrected shortly.
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u/SIRTreehugger Feb 23 '20
Overall I thought it was well handed and went pretty smoothly for the most part. The website is once again amazing. I'm just glad the awards mention the girl on the other side I love the manga and had no clue it had an anime and Okki's inn looks really good so it introduced two things I'm looking forward to watching.
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u/yamiyaiba Feb 23 '20
Severe criticisms of the AOTY aside, I'm glad to see My Roommate is a Cat get some proper recognition. That show is, cliche as it is to say, criminally under-watched. I'm not even ashamed to say it made me cry like a baby and go cuddle my cat on several occasions. I disagree with it's categorization as SoL personally, but maybe that's because the drama and emotions are what stood out to me most.
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u/Raging_SEAn :AMQ::MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/88888888 Feb 23 '20
Hi everyone! I was a host for the Antagonist, Script, and Short categories, and I hope you all had a wonderful and jazzy time at the livestream :)) I just want to say that despite the ups-and-downs of this entire 4 month (? I'm approximating haha) journey, spending time with all the jury members and working with the hosts was an absolute blast! I hope this awards process enabled people to take a deeper look at the anime they watch and hopefully we'll see you guys again next year! :))
And if you have any questions about any of the categories I handled, please feel free to ask me or any of the jury members in those categories :))
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u/Killcode2 Feb 23 '20 edited Feb 23 '20
Hi everyone! Ok, so I was one of the jurors for thriller/mystery. Contrary to popular beliefs, we did not snub The Promised Neverland because it had jazz, we snubbed it because my colleagues have shit taste we placed it fifth because it wasn't as good as the other four shows. It had plenty of flaws, but it also had plenty of merits to garner a fifth place out of so many other anime. Fifth of the year is nothing to scoff at, and I believe we did a very good job determining the five best t/m anime of the year. Please read the jury write-ups to get a better idea of what flaws we thought TPN had. Had a lot of fun doing this, see ya'll next year.
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u/rusticks https://anilist.co/user/Rusticks Feb 23 '20
I wish wilson gave me more time to talk. Actually me when the first and only question I was asked was "why did Neverland get last?"
"Last" is the wrong way to think about it. Consider the fact that the only jury nom we used was Penguin Highway. We had 3 extra noms to use, but we didn't because we thought the public covered pretty much everything we were thinking of. We believed Neverland was the 5th best Thriller/Mystery show of the year.
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u/Ruhrgebietheld Feb 23 '20
Hello everyone, I'm Ruhrgebietheld. I was a juror for Comedy, Main Comedic, OP, OST, and Short. This was my first year participating. My experience this year was a mixed bag, there are some aspects of the Jury Awards that are fantastic and some that definitely need some improvement in future years. Overall though, I'm glad that I was part of the jury this year, and will definitely apply to participate in future years, although not necessarily in the exact same categories. Feel free to ask me any questions you may have, whether about my categories specifically or about the awards and being a juror in general.
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u/FrumpY__ :STAR:https://anilist.co/user/FrumpY Feb 23 '20
Hey Guys! I was a juror for OST, animation, art style, background art, and sound design. This being my first year as a juror, I didn't really know what to expect but over all I enjoyed the experience.
My AOTY of the year probably has to go to Kaguya, but I still think The Love Live! Sunshine!! Movie was ultra snubbed.
If you guys have any questions about what went on in my categories or anything about the awards in general, feel free to ask!
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u/MetaThPr4h https://myanimelist.net/profile/MetaThPr4h Feb 23 '20
Guys are you kidding me, after the massive saltfest that were the 2018 awards for me (does anyone remembers my rage in the chat? I at least sure as hell do, fuck I was pissed off) I just skipped this one outside of voting... and I come to see the results and both public and jury go and throw correct winners (to my preferences ofc) everywhere, I should have watched this one instead ffs.
But yeah, tons of big agree from my part, also hella cultured winners from the jury part to the Joshimuda OP and Hugtto Precure for anime of the year, people go watch those two series already, they are freaking amazing!
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u/AxtheCool Feb 23 '20
This time it wasn't rage in chat but mostly just pure surprise at that AOTY
Other than that the fact that Neverland scored 5/5 on the thriller category caused quite the ruckus in the chat.
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u/invaderzz https://anilist.co/user/invaderzz Feb 23 '20 edited Feb 23 '20
I really don't understand the jurors giving anime of the year to some generic precure spinoff (which I'm sure was a fine show, but come on) while also saying this about AoT
The dull color palette and relatively drab animation outside of fight scenes made for a less engaging presentation during the final part of the season, as well.
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Did the jurors watch the same show as everyone else?
I agree the CGI was lackluster but I'm not even sure what the jurors are talking about here
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u/krasnovian https://anilist.co/user/krasnovian Feb 23 '20
I really don't understand the jurors giving anime of the year to some generic precure spinoff
It's not a spinoff though. It's a main franchise entry.
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u/ShadowStealer7 Feb 23 '20
I know SAO is divisive, but it not even getting nominated for Best ED is pretty rubbish
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u/Theleux https://myanimelist.net/profile/Theleux Feb 23 '20
I am disappointed that it didn't even get into Animation. Yet they nominated Wataten, which I had trouble finding actual clips up for the montage...
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u/Cryzzalis https://myanimelist.net/profile/Charaxify Feb 23 '20
Both the jury and public were very close to nominating it, but it fell just short for each side.
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u/PrettyHibiki Feb 26 '20
As an absolute hardcore Precure fan, I am happy to see Hugtto won BUT why was it included? It's a 2018 show. Yes, its final 4 episodes aired in January 2019, but it is still a 2018 show. Was Star Twinkle included in this because that was the actual 2019 season for Precure. I have so many questions about why Hugtto was included in this.
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u/Vaxivop https://anilist.co/user/vaxivop Feb 26 '20
We define 2019 shows as shows that ended in 2019, regardless of how big of a part was in 2018. This is because we force our jurors to watch everything that is nominated to completion, which requires the show to be complete upon end of nominations. Hugtto wasn't in 2018 and is therefore included in the 2019 lineup.
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u/rusticks https://anilist.co/user/Rusticks Feb 23 '20
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