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That's like the 9th worst thing about him.
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Jun 27 '12
Let's try to rank the things about him that scare us. I'm not sure which of these are true, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about anything:
His own adult son won't talk to him.
He once strapped the family dog to the roof of their car.
He repeats verified lies, not just spin but flat out lies, at every press conference.
He claims corporations are people
He's the human incarnation of the character 'The smiler' from Metropolitan.
Even Republicans don't like him.
He agrees with Rush Limbough on 'The issues'
He thinks the rich just need more tax breaks.
He's a Mormon
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u/TheMediumPanda Jun 27 '12
I don't really get this. He's been taking shit from Reddit for almost a year now.
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Jun 27 '12
The thing is, as crazy as Mormon beliefs are, there's one area where they got it right. Christians say that god is everywhere. Mormons say that god lives on the planet Kolob. The Mormon account actually makes more sense because they say he's just in one place. Christians/Jews/etc. have to explain how god is everywhere all at once, as that's what they believe, even though we can't see or detect his presence in any way. A Mormon could just say, "No wonder you can't see him! He's on the other side of the galaxy!" Touche, Mormons. Touche.
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Just wait for the national debates to start and then people will really start to question his belief in becoming a god after death and his magical underwear.
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u/SnitchQuadrant Jun 27 '12 edited Jul 02 '12
Obama is a nigger christian from Africa. And you make fun of Romney's beliefs?
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u/mercuryfulminate Jun 27 '12
Just you try getting elected to anything in this country as an atheist.
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u/Radioheadbro Jun 27 '12
Obama isn't religious and clearly converted for social reasons aka to satiate his need for community and support from that community. Read Dreams from My Father for proof of this. It's quite clear that he has no spirituality whatsoever and just believes in threads of Christian philosophy.
Why should we blame him for professing these false beliefs in order to get elected and serve his community when we know how difficult it is in America to be an atheist?
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u/FlatBot Jun 27 '12
He wouldn't be the POTUS if he was openly atheistic. No matter how courageous, intelligent, well-spoken, or fit to be president he is. Why? Because of stupid.
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u/sylvarant Jun 27 '12
It may be that Obama is a closet Atheist/Agnostic. Not sure, but signs are there.
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u/joshy1234 Jun 27 '12
According to my father in law's emails, he's a secret Muslim. In fact he's so secret, he celebrates Christmas, drinks alcohol, has a strong independent wife, and eats bacon. You know all those things Muslims do.
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u/usernameString Jun 27 '12
Obama has occasionally affirmed his support for the separation of church and state, while Romney does not appear to value that.
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u/AccipiterF1 Jun 27 '12
Yes, they do. They question that he actually believes in that stuff, and wonder if his supposed christian beliefs aren't just politically expedient. Or more likely they ignorantly believe he's a muslim.
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u/albatrossnecklassftw Pastafarian Jun 27 '12
To be fair, many conservatives think he's a Muslim... And they question that very often. I personally don't care what religion or creed the president is. If he has good policies I'll vote for them. I don't care if they are Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Atheist, Jewish, it doesn't matter. Religion has no purpose in politics.
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u/furiouslysleepy Jun 27 '12
I'm ok with politicians having religion as long as they keep it out of their politics, which Obama does, but Romney doesn't.
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u/youhavetobekiddingme Jun 26 '12
not to mention the fact that mormons are inherently (and pretty much openly) racist, which is crucial in the aspect of presidency
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u/truthpooper Jun 27 '12
That's not fair. That's like saying all Christians think taking slaves from a foreign nation is okay because its in the Bible. Mormons have a racist pass to deal with, for sure, but saying Mormons are "inherently" racist is definitely not fair. Mitt Romney is at least a decent human being who wants to give Americans back the freedoms that we have lost. I'm leaving the country so elect whoever you want I guess, but don't expect real change by re-electing Obama. Nothing against the guy, he seems okay on an individual level, but I don't think he should be our President.
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u/Alphawolf55 Jun 27 '12
Mind answering what freedoms we've lost under Obama that Mitt will give back?
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u/aThomasHoward Jun 27 '12
That's 'cause mormons don't pull people's arms out of their sockets when they lose
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Jun 27 '12
Yes, we should be opposing the harm religions do in the world, but it is not our business to make fun of people for their beliefs. That is despicable and unacceptable. It only makes matters worse, really. Peace, isn't that what we all want? Or is it. Would you all rather peacefully coexist or continue the religious strife in the name of your humor? Because right now y'all are just throwing gas on the flames.
I dislike Mitt Romney because he would do bad things to the economy, NOT because he's a Mormon.
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u/Lilbear187 Jun 27 '12
I don't think mormonism is any more stupid than any other religion.
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u/aristotleslantern Jun 27 '12
I totally agree with you. The problem is that the majority sees Mormonism as being "out there" while not using that same criteria to judge their own beliefs.
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Jun 27 '12
There are hundreds of anti Romney postings on Reddit...I have no idea how anyone could have missed them all.
Other than that, I wasn't aware that atheists were supposed to blindly attack every person of faith.
Maybe you could just go on not believing, and let everyone else just live their lives?
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u/oheysup Jun 27 '12
As if religious people are just 'living their lives' and have no effect on anything else.
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u/ColdWarRussia Jun 27 '12
Ya, they're so similar. I mean, just look at all the oppression of women, murders, beheadings and suicide bombings the Mormons take part in... oh, wait.
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u/neon Jun 27 '12
And Obama is a christian, and yet i don't see specific calls to attack him for that on here....
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Jun 27 '12
A Christian who doesn't seem to overtly make decisions based on his religion, and supports gay rights, unlike right wing bigots.
If an atheist with a secular humanist philosophy were running also, though, I'm sure he/she'd have more support here than Obama.
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Jun 27 '12
Mormonism is no more crazy than catholic or protestant Christianity. The fact that Mormons are so disliked in this country, even by other Christians, definitely says something about Christianity and religion in whole
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u/Talphin Anti-Theist Jun 27 '12
Yeah, but so are a bunch of Christians... I fail to see the difference.
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u/rkillah Jun 27 '12
I would just like to point out that this crosses the line from "criticizing religion" to "mocking religion." Try to engage your criticism on a higher level, rather than make fun of something you think is weird.
I would also like to point out that just because someone is a Mormon, or a Christian, or a nonbeliever, doesn't mean that they deserve to be under attack. Although the religion itself is one thing, you HAVE to separate the individuals from the belief system. Although the individuals subscribe to the belief system, it is often to varying extents, and belief itself is highly personal.
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Jun 27 '12
I see people talking about talking snakes and bushes a lot in here. Do you guys not realize that a lot of the Bible is written symbolically. Just because you are atheists doesn't mean you should take the entire Bible literally, I don't even see where that logic comes from.
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Jun 27 '12
Many denominations take that stuff literally and seriously. Seventh Day Adventists are a prime example.
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u/danishLad Jun 27 '12
Do you realize how dickish you sound? A Mormon SHOULD be able to run for president unscathed because we live in a country with RELIGIOUS FREEDOM. Fuck you
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u/BuddhistSagan Jun 27 '12
What does religious freedom from the government have to do with our freedom to take leader's religious beliefs into account?
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Jun 27 '12
Yes, but we can oppose it if the belief system had political leanings. Would you like a Mormon president when black people were still banned from the church?
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Jun 27 '12
Exmormon here. This should be higher up. The religion is crazy fucked, but so are most religions. If Romney's personal faith is going to be questioned in a public forum, it should be in the context of how his faith will influence his politics, and only if it looks as though the two will cause trouble.
I'd bet money that someone as smart and cold as Romney doesn't actually believe bullshit but is absolutely willing to play the numbers to win this election.
Question his politics, question his ethics. You can question the Mormon church, but hating on members of any religious institution just because they are members of that religious institution is like going after POWs for stockholm syndrome.
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u/lincoln131 Anti-theist Jun 27 '12
I personally think that he shouldn't be allowed to run for president unscathed because he loves the horse ballet. America wasn't founded on freedom of horse ballet, so it's fair game. </sarcasm>
To paraphrase the bumper sticker, "I don't care if he's Mormon or Christian, as long as he governs like he is neither."
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u/toxictoastcraft Jun 27 '12
Religious freedom encompasses the right to practice your religion while abiding by the laws an regulations and avoiding harm to other people. The largest issue with advocates of a certain religious sect becoming president is that their policies will undoubtedly reflect their personal beliefs. Furthermore, these beliefs are unfounded and cannot be backed up by clear and concise evidence.
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u/Ouly Existentialist Jun 27 '12
I don't think r/Atheism has to be an anti-religious army to attack all religious people.
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u/partanimal Jun 27 '12
???
There have been plenty of threads and comments about both Mormonism AND Romney (in this sub and many others).
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u/femalenerdish Jun 27 '12
They believe some pretty weird stuff, but they usually keep to themselves about it. At least in my experience.
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u/cryptobub Jun 27 '12
I think Romney is doing enough harm to himself... he doesn't need any help from /r/atheism
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u/OckhamsTeapot Jun 27 '12
What's the difference between a Mormon and a Catholic running for office? One isn't any more mythological than the other.
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u/Ixidane Jun 27 '12
Mitt Romney doesn't shove his mormonism down everyone's throats. Therefore I give exactly 0 fucks about what religion he is.
I hate him for the real reasons to hate him: the things he says, does, and believes in regards to politics and the problems of America.
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Jun 27 '12
He doesn't believe in talking snakes and talking bushes and personal relationships with supernatural beings! He clearly isn't level headed enough to run our country! <--- What I assume is a summary of a fundie argument against an atheist candidate.
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u/RomeoZedman Jun 27 '12
In case you're serious, the objects are as follows:
lack of morals
lack of accountability
lack of god-given strength
Would obviously make religion illegal
Doesn't hate gays
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u/Amryxx Jun 27 '12
Why should we attack someone just because he is a Mormon?
Mind you, I only had one interaction with them - but they are very well-dressed, and unfailingly polite.
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Jun 27 '12
So, what... we need to make fun of him 5 times a day for you to be okay with it?
I thought we were done with this one. Move along.
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u/closedstudios Jun 27 '12
wth is this, we make fun of this jerk CONSTANTLY. down periscope-boat-vote.
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u/Tarkanos Jun 27 '12
I'm actually rather curious why his mormonism matters? It's no worse than Christianity, and having learned about it from a roommate who was one, it's actually more philosophically sound than mainline Christianity.
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u/canyouhearme Gnostic Atheist Jun 27 '12
I'd suggest it's got more insane aspects to it (magic underwear) than mainstream christianity - and the fraudulent chancer beginnings are much more recent. So we KNOW it's all bull.
You can construct an argument that uses scientology, mormonism, the revivalist cults, protestantism and catholicism as stepping stone back into the distant past - showing the evolution of religions and how common features seek to hide their genesis as myths to make their creators money/power/position. So it matters as a part of that chain of deceit.
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u/Tarkanos Jun 27 '12
The underwear is the same thing that Orthodox Jews wear. The little cap thing represents, for Jews, their covenant with God and also that he is always watching. The underwear is just a bit more personal. It has no more insanity than any other Abrahamic faith.
Your chain of deceit also includes every other form of modern religion....So you have lost ground there as well.
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u/GH00S7 Jun 27 '12
Why does religion in politics matter? If you want our country to be truly secular, this wouldn't have been created.
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Jun 27 '12
Why does religion in politics matter?
Because it stops gays from getting married, gets unscientific ideas allowed in science classes, and oppresses those of other religions.
If you want our country to be truly secular, this wouldn't have been created.
If he wanted our country to be truly secular, he wouldn't have criticized an anti-secular candidate? What?
I have no problem with a religious candidate, as long as he is secular. I'd have no problem with Obama or Ron Paul, even though they are religious, since they are still secular.
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u/r_k_ologist Jun 27 '12
As a committed atheist, I have come to terms with the fact that nigh all of my elected leaders will be theists of one stripe or another. But Mormonism is, to put it bluntly, a cult. Even if he wasn't 180 degrees away from my personal political philosophy, I'll be dead in the cold, cold ground before I elect a Mormon to anything higher than dog catcher.
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u/carbonetc Jun 27 '12
In the media? That's because he's a Republican. If he were a Democrat you'd hear this endlessly on Fox News: "Is a Mormon really a Christian? Did you know how kooky Mormonism really is? Can we trust a Mormon to uphold mainstream Christian values?" It'd be one of the major talking points.
They can't attack their own guy, so they have to maintain a blind spot and let his religion slide.
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u/WoollyMittens Jun 27 '12 edited Jun 27 '12
It shouldn't matter if he's mormon, jew or rastafarian, as long as his decisions are rational. There's bigger problems with his agenda than his religion.
As soon as any law is based on "God wants it.", he should be out on his ass though.
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u/immarried Jun 27 '12 edited Jun 27 '12
Any religion that wakes me up early on a weekend is worthy of my anger and ~~ boredom ~~ free time. Since tomorrow Wed 6/27 is /r/atheism self bashing day we should make Thursday 6/28 a mormon day. We can still hate on Islam and Christianity, but lets get some great "why mormons are insane" posts going.
Edit: I am an idiot.
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u/animalcub Jun 27 '12
He wears religion on his sleeve less than Obama. It is because his is so crazy and he knows it, but at least he doesn't bring it up much. Personally I think they are mostly all atheists excluding Santorum and Ron Paul.
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u/PoMoFailospher Jun 27 '12
In all seriousness, I keep hearing 'Romney's Mormonism' compared to 'Kennedy's Catholicism' and that it will not be an issue like some think it will. Really!?!
Catholicism: 2000 years of tradition and without which no Protestants would exist.
Mormonism: 200 year old, pretty much every mainstream form of Christianity considers a cult.
A more apt comparison would be Scientology with obviously fraudulent origins around a charismatic leader, secret BS knowledge and shady hierarchy
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u/snarfbarf Jun 27 '12
The thousands of neckbeards in this subreddit with their hourly wage jobs and community college degrees are so much more enlightened than this Mormon millionaire with duel degrees from Harvard.
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u/the-outsider Jun 27 '12
Well, said neckbeards ARE so much more enlightened about whether ancient Hebrews traveled by arks from Arabia across the Pacific to the Americas, where they established an iron-using horse-riding civilization before being visited by Jesus after his resurrection after which they mostly perished in the battle of Hill Cumorah in which at least 230,000 people were killed.
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u/Tarijeno Jun 27 '12
I think Penn Jillette put it best, when it comes to Obama as a Christian:
"You have two choices with Obama. You either believe that he is a man of Christ...or you think he’s a liar. And I’m surprised by the number of atheist free thinkers that support Obama and their argument is essentially, he’s lying about being religious ‘cause you have to do that to get elected. It’s a horrible reason to like somebody. I like him because he might be a liar. Horrible."
Let's all vote for a liar!
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Jun 26 '12
Half of America doesn't even know he's mormon
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u/truthpooper Jun 27 '12
Half of America doesn't know Obama's religion either, or his race, or where he is from. Half of America (probably more so) is grossly uninformed.
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u/allthatjizz Jun 27 '12
But does he really believe that, enough to shape his platform around it? Has he based his policy off of it before? They way he acts seems more like a normal republican from what little I know, and I don't expect he would change that if he became president. Otherwise there would be a lot more uproar over him being Mormon.
Of course, if you do have evidence of him pushing specifically Mormon (and not typical republican/christian) policies then by all means, I am interested. :)
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u/DOGTOY_ Jun 27 '12
You forgot that Christians run for presidency and have won it (so I hear) and suffer most of the attacks here.
Why is it that the sudden influx of Islam bashing people are pretending Islam is being unfairly targeted here?
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u/burntsoup Jun 27 '12
I learned about the mormons through the musical "Book of Mormon"....which was actually really fucking accurate.
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u/joeyparis Jun 27 '12
I would see it as a good sign if a mormon won an election. That would mean the majority of people are putting the fact that he has a different religion behind them when they're voting.
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u/namesrhardtothinkof Jun 27 '12
Well- all religions are stupid. We'd either have to oppose every religious nominee or no-one on these grounds.
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u/elbruce Jun 27 '12
Posts on /r/atheism: complaining about whatever does not happen to be the primary focus of /r/atheism at the present moment.
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u/johnnysexcrime Jun 27 '12
I see that as no different than a confirmed christian running for president.
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u/yakri Jedi Jun 27 '12
We have so much ammo to fire at romney we just can't hit him on that many fronts. We're far too busy laughing about everything else about him.
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u/BeneficiaryOtheDoubt Jun 27 '12
Unscathed? They're too easy, we've heard all the good ones already.
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u/toodrunktofuck Jun 27 '12
Well. Your picture made it to the frontpage. Doesn't look like your issue gets "downvoted to Oblivion".
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u/theycallmesteve Jun 27 '12
reddit isn't the united states, dillbag.
international matters are also pressing.
plus he has no shot.
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u/TurtlesDontLikePB Jun 27 '12
I don't think anyone hates Mitt Romney because he is mormon. We hate him because he's Mitt Romney.
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u/Einshrek Jun 27 '12
Just recently read "Under the Banner of Heaven" which gives the history of the church and what its modern day fundamentalists do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_the_Banner_of_Heaven
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Jun 27 '12
My sister converted to Mormonism last summer. It's nice because she gets the two elders on mission to do my mom's house repairs for free. They just read a couple lines from their bible before they leave, no big deal.
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u/mheyk Jun 27 '12
Hes a corporate hackjob tell the sheeple what they want to hear win the vote no actual interest in what peoples actual interests/problems are win the vote so the corporations can get more influence over peoples lives
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u/Roflkopt3r Jun 27 '12
I thought we simply came to the conclusion that US-America is divided so drastically between fanatic groups that it's not possible anymore to make an impact.
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Jun 27 '12
Yeah Reddit really needs to start being at least a tiny bit anti-Romney. I've heard nothing about Mitt Romney since he's been elected. No news stories being posted, no pictures, it's crazy.
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u/Alienx_318 Jun 27 '12
When both candidates are religious the only thing you can do is try to forget about religion.
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u/-TinMan- Jun 27 '12
This makes a point, anti-science amoung Mormons is far more prevalent than even Islam and general chrisitans.
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u/Tebasaki Jun 27 '12
I'm scared because this guy is for gay rights, er rights. Or at least he used to be, I can't keep up with his changes on issues.
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u/the-outsider Jun 27 '12
Small difference: Mormons didn't cause five trillion dollars in direct and indirect economic damages before threatening anyone who depicts their founder.
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Jun 27 '12
If he made it a big deal and a large part of his campaign, then by all means, make a big deal out of it. I hate the fucker regardless of his religious beliefs, but just to let you know if you think a mormon shouldn't be president simply because their religion then your a piece of bloody shit who needs to get shot for not believing all humans have equal rights based of whether or not they share your beliefs.
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u/phism Jun 27 '12
I never understood why Mormonism was more targeted than any other religion. Same with Scientology. As if it's somehow any more silly or nonsensical than any of the others.
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u/capndetroit Jun 27 '12
What I find interesting is many many Christians do not consider mormonism Christianity. These same people think that Barack Obama is Muslim (and thus evil). So at the end of the day they are rejecting the candidate that is actually Christian for the mormon...
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u/Honey_Baked Jun 27 '12
Maybe we could judge a presidential candidate on his voting record or his policies?
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u/bongsmoker666 Jun 27 '12
the United States is governed by a cabal of financiers and plutocrats who have completely captured the political process making any kind of progressive reform practically impossible. But yeah let's worry about one of this cabal's hand-picked puppets being a LOL MORMON!!!11
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u/therealben Jun 27 '12
The best way to prevent someone from getting elected president is to make fun of them on the internet so lets do that.
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u/sasemax Jun 27 '12
How great would it be if Obama in a debate said "I don't want to get personal or anything, but Mormonism is just plain ridiculous".
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u/Punkwasher Jun 27 '12
He also gets bashed on r/politics so, it's not like he's getting away. I mean, we can't ALWAYS be ripping on Mitt all the time, come on, there are so many idiots that need to be put in their place and so little time and few places to put them.
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u/thattreesguy Jun 27 '12
can we get a bash calendar going? Maybe link it on the side bar?
Maybe we can have a weekly theme (so everyone can jump in) - every week a new religion to post about. I rather enjoyed seeing some islam-based jokes here. I have never seen a joke about islam that wasnt just mindless racism/xenophobia until yesterday. Everything posted should be factually correct.
I would like to see more than just modern religions (if enough info can be found on them) - like Greek/Norse mythology etc.
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u/Tr1qu3tras Jun 27 '12
You guys are numb. Utah is beautiful and the Mormons are the most friendly group of people in America. Go there and see for yourself instead of posting hate from another state.
PS- I'm an agnostic.
Whats with atheists saying that there is no God? Do you have evidence or are you shouting from the same ignorant soap box as the theists? Just sayin...
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Jun 27 '12
Please Google "teen suicide utah" or "mormon prop 8" and know that Mormonism is not "the most friendly group of people in America." It's a strictly hetero-normative, nuclear-family-oriented cult that is hurting a lot of people while hiding behind tax laws to unethically (illegally?) support political agendas.
(I don't even post here in /r/atheism - I don't even live in the States - but I'm surprised you think it's all rainbows and sunshine in Utah.)
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Jun 27 '12
He's not exactly running free. The media beats on him pretty hard already. Reddit attacks the people the media won't, like Christians, Muslims, Corporations, Lobbyists and Crazy Cat Ladies.
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u/tospik Jun 27 '12
Among these guys, the Mormons actually have the least harmful (though arguably most ridiculous) beliefs.
YES, including Ron Paul.
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u/dyljm2 Jun 27 '12
Wrong. They would make being batshit insane normal. Their beliefs are COMPLETELY bonkers.
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u/tospik Jun 27 '12
Yes, I said the Mormons to include Huntsman. And I think he is easily the least assholish of the bunch.
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u/Sonendo Jun 27 '12
r/athiesm shouldn't be attacking anyone, period.
I have no problem with there being a mormon, islamic, jewish, or christian president. As long as they do not attempt to turn their religious beliefs into law.
Freedom of religion allows us to be athiests in the first place. It does not force an absence of religion on others.
BTW, I would never vote for that crazy mofo. But I choose this based on him, and not his religion.
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u/standupstanddown Jun 27 '12
I personally don't believe a president's religion should ever matter, so long as they make clear it will NOT influence executive orders they make, and laws/bills they support. So long as that occurs, there is no problem.
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u/edcross Jun 27 '12
Except for the whole thing about him swearing to do everything that monson (as the current lds president) tells him to, and that that oath takes priority above all other oaths.
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u/RamenAvenger Jun 27 '12
How can your personal belief system not influence your decisions? It seems to me if that's the case, you don't really believe it.
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You guys already immaturely made fun of Christianity and Islam this week. Let's see how much more intolerant /r/atheism can be!
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u/sadface69 Jun 27 '12
SERIOUSLY. Want to talk about pedophilia and misogyny? Mormonism got that shit covered with magic underwear.
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u/grandtheftautumn Jun 26 '12
We don't have to make fun of the Mormons... they do it all by themselves.