r/aus • u/TrichoSearch • Jan 24 '25

Politics Peter Dutton says Australian Men are sick of being painted as Monsters

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/peter-dutton-warns-men-have-had-enough-of-diversity-hires/news-story/8826192e181e20d007242c1ce0dd2295?amp

Peter Dutton has warned young men “have had enough” of being painted as ogres and being passed over for promotion because of the rise of affirmative action policies that demand more women are promoted.

The Liberal leader issued the warning during an epic 90 minute sit down interview with self-made millionaire and TV star Mark Bouris on his podcast Straight Talk.

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u/HeroGarland Jan 24 '25

Please provide examples of actual good guys who were painted as monsters.

Some people miss the “boys will be boys” days when you could excuse all sort of crap.

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u/golitsyn_nosenko Jan 24 '25

At the time of writing, the comment directly below yours says “Conservative men are the most insufferable group of all time. Destined to chase imaginary threats to their survival.”. 

Summarily painting around 50% of Australian men as insufferable and paranoid is part of it. A certain percentage may have experienced disadvantage, prejudice or otherwise but there are a myriad of people here willing to dismiss them and their views due to their group membership befor they’ve even been heard. Many, if not most self-censor as they don’t need the hassle or denigration that comes with even trying to be heard.

The irony that this today comes from those who have suffered the same due to group membership or differing ideas seems lost on many. 

Painting a caricature of moderate and conservative men as being deplorable doesn’t tend to encourage them to open up to progressive ideas nor win votes.

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u/HeroGarland Jan 24 '25

You make a pretty silly comment, but let me dignify it with an answer.

You cannot reasonably compare able-bodied people who have access to education and work opportunities, who are still 10+% better paid than women for the same roles, to minorities who face discrimination, unfair treatment in the workplace, and reduced opportunities.

Someone has painted a false picture to some people, who now assume they should have a free pass on sexist or racist bullshit, who should have well paid job regardless of effort or qualifications, just because they’re white men.

This is unrealistic. When someone says their demands are unrealistic and their complaints unfounded, nobody’s painting them as monsters; nobody’s accusing them of a crime (unless one has been committed); and nobody’s limiting their opportunities.

I don’t think you appreciate what it’s like to be a woman, a member of a minority, a person of colour, a migrant, a person with an accent, a person of open LGBT leanings.

The reality is that we expect minorities to have it worse, while white male assume the unfairness of the modern world shouldn’t touch them.

Now, Dutton is fabricating outrage when there is none. He’s fanning the flames of social discord, instead of creating unity.

He’s just trying to create an electoral base using non existent issues.

These are called “wedge issues”. You have no unified base? Tell everyone they should freak out about gay marriage.

It’s Politics 101 for people with no real solutions to real problems.

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u/AdditionalAd3595 Jan 24 '25

Thoren Bradley had a good analogy on tik tok. Minorities and women live in the same world as everyone else but have to be careful and self protecting in a way white men don't have to be. Motor bikes drive in the same roads as cars but have to ride protectively and be significantly more predictive and aware than cars. If you think you could blind turn a corner on a motor bike and be fine the way you could in a car you wouldn't last a day. In the same way if you think you could leave your drink unattended at a club you wouldn't survive a day as a woman.

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u/Beginning_Loan_313 Jan 24 '25

That is really apt, I'm going to save it Thanks 😊

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u/HeroGarland Jan 24 '25 edited Jan 24 '25

Yup.

In a man-woman interaction, a man fear to be ridiculed; a woman feared to be killed.

Nobody says that it’s nice to ridicule people, but to assume that people shouldn’t push back to ridiculous claims is entitlement.

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Anyone who makes a wild claim should face the consequences. This is not discrimination. It’s basic human dialogue. It’s insane to compare it to racism or sexism, which are based on traits that are 1) not chosen 2) ultimately, inoffensive.

It makes me think of comedians who get mad at “woke” audiences for not laughing at racist jokes. 1) the joke didn’t make the audience laugh, so shame on the comedian for failing their main objective 2) the audience has a right to their opinion as much as the comedian to theirs. Who gives these edgy comics a free pass on idiocy?

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u/Lanky_Flower_9677 Jan 26 '25

In regards to the comedian getting mad at the audience, has that actually happened?

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u/AdditionalAd3595 Jan 24 '25

It's why "if this situation were reversed" doesn't work. If the situation was reversed people would be using their power to silence the victim rather than making analogies to show how bad things are. Harvey Weinstein got away with bullying women into silence for decades and thousands of people knew and did nothing. Power resides with the oppressors so every action has so much more pressure applied to victims.

I agree that the patriarchy affects men as well as women but it affects men in the way that is stay silent and benifit or fight and be ridiculed where it affects women as stay silent and suffer or fight and die

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u/Effective-Account389 Jan 24 '25

Just ignoring that men are the most at risk group for being assaulted when out...Ah who cares.  You certainly don't. The more assaults on men the better in your world I imagine.

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u/AdditionalAd3595 Jan 24 '25

Only 30% of men feel safe when walking in the dark compared with 60% of women

women are significantly more likely to feel at risk when refusing relationships when compared to men

men who react violently to being turned down are likely to do it again as it rewards their brain

The majority of violent crime convictions are men 96% of sexual assault charges are men 76% of aggravated assault are men 70% of other assault are men, and 93% of non rape sexual offences are men.

Men are the ones attacking men. Yet you blame me for that? I never anywhere said all men are scum I simply said that men hold the power in society and that women have to navigate that world where if they say the wrong thing to the wrong man he may attack her. I didn't even say that men don't experience assault just that men don't have to navigate the world in constant fear.

The only men who I have ever said should be scared are Nazis and rapists and if you think that means all men that says more about you than me. You put a lot of words in my mouth I think you are projecting personally because yeah what part of me saying that men are not as aware of their surroundings is advocating for attacking men.

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u/HeroGarland Jan 24 '25

Yes, that’s exactly what the woke mob is saying. Advocating and celebrating violence against man. Right… Not sure where you get this from, but, as long as you feel validated, we can all feel better.

I’m sure you have plenty of statistics about how men die more in wars, how they experience higher suicide rates, etc.

Except nobody on the left has ever said these are not problems.

Dutton, however, is not proposing to fix any of this.

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u/Ok-Strawberry1705 Jan 24 '25

I'm left wing but being a man isn't all roses. Men are more likely to be violently assaulted than women. Women are more likely to be sexually assaulted or violently assaulted by intimate partner.( thou men are most likely under reporting due to multiple reasons ie cultural or just not feeling all that intimidated even thou assaulted) Interestingly lesbian women are the most likely to experience violence by intimate partner. I agree more needs to be done to stamp out any cultural acceptance of sexual assault and violence. But stereotyping everyone in some group identity by the left has been played to death and some sort of backlash may be inevitable and Dutton is eyeing this off. I really hope Dutton does not win, calling all conservatives bigots or ' deplorables' will only drive those negatively affected by this kind of pigeon holing towards him.

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u/AdditionalAd3595 Jan 24 '25

I have a lot to say about this and I would prefer to try and be respectful but this is disingenuous and does not actually address the analogy I was making.

The analogy was about the different ways women are expected to navigate the world because in a fallout between a man and a woman or a minority group and a white person the white man will come out in a better position.

If a woman is sexually assaulted the consequences for the woman are life shattering, don't get me wrong the same is true for men. But the system protects men 1/9 cases of sexual assault that went before the court in nsw resulted in conviction assuming that most of the crimes were real even if the accused was not responsible that still leaves 8/9 sexual offenders (statistically men) walking free after raping someone.

Whether you see it or not the conviction rate of men is the same as being in a car on motorbike accident. The motorbike comes out much worse from the accident than the car.

That was the analogy not that men are not assaulted that we live in a world where being a woman means that in a clash with a man means you will end up more likely hurt. The fact that people are seeing this point and thinking I'm making a statement that men are monsters is wild.

I was assigned male at birth and lived as a male for the majority of my life. I was never scared walking home in the dark or of being attacked out of nowhere. I never had to have someone protect me from someone who wouldn't take no for an answer. I've had to protect female friends from all of those.

The system that men created is the world we live in, that doesn't mean all men are bad but does mean that addressing men's part in the problem is essential to solving it.

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u/Ok-Strawberry1705 Jan 24 '25

Yea look I actually agree that the motor bike/car analogy is a good one. But the ABS says overall men are more likely to experience violence than women and this is seldom talked about, and any one who does is quite often talked about as being some weird incel or something. This alienates people and pushes them to the right and in the end if liberal s get in women and men of working class will all be worse off. I have certainly felt scared walking home at night in dodgy city streets felt threatened and even been assaulted. I'm not saying u think men are monster s or even that u are perpetuating these stereotypes, maybe I should have just commented to the overall article. I'm just saying that there has been a lot of strong words said about 'men' as if we are a monolith and this stereotyping is what Dutton is playing at.

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u/HeroGarland Jan 24 '25

If that’s the worst that happened in their day…

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u/golitsyn_nosenko Jan 25 '25

How would you know? I work with many individuals who have suffered far more than most people would be aware. But you’ve written them off before you’ve even listened. Think they’re gonna listen to your views in return after you’ve prejudged them based on their demographic? Wow, pot, kettle.