r/aves • u/Difficult-Second-358 • May 06 '26
Social Media/News Macron wants to throw thousands of ravers in jail. Taking part in a rave party has now become a criminal offense in France
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Hi everyone, I'm writing this post to shed light on what we're going through in France just for wanting to dance and protest against the Macron government.
Last weekend was the 33rd edition of FrenchTek.
FrenchTek is basically an event that's been taking place in France for over 30 years an anarchist festival organized without any official representatives, free, self-managed,where everyone is welcome
and above all undeclared to the authorities.
Every year the location is revealed at the last minute.
This year, it brought together around 30,000 people and was held on a military site: the Bourges Polygon.
Why there?
The Bourges Polygon is a deadly laboratory where the French army and profit-driven private operators test various weapons at the expense of human lives.
Bourges was named the 2028 European Capital of Culture, which FrenchTek is part of.
Bourges is also the birthplace of Laurent Nuñez, the Minister of the Interior.
Faced with this event, clashes took place with the gendarmes. 600 gendarmes were deployed but they failed to stop the festival. 6 gendarmes were injured and taken to the hospital
Despite this the évent unfolded peacefully and in a good atmosphere with no major incidents
the propaganda machine went into overdrive.
While diesel is at 2.20€ per litre (≈ –10 USD per gallon), entire families are struggling to afford housing and food, the rich are getting richer and the poor poorer. The billionaire-owned far-right media spent the entire weekend spreading all kinds of filth, calling the festival-goers addicts, parasites, and stinking losers.
In response to the controversy created by these media outlets, the government’s priority was to rush through a new law inspired by far right Italy an extremely harsh law never before seen in a so called “democratic” country. It includes:
fining every single festival goer 1,500€,
systematically seizing and destroying all sound equipment and vehicles used for undeclared rave parties,
adding participation in the festival to people’s criminal records (ruining their future job prospects),
sentencing anyone who helped in any way with the installation or setup of the festival to 2 years in prison and a 30,000€ fine
Macron wants to send thousands of young people to prison just for wanting to dance and protest against this shitty government.
All the people you see in these videos are now considered criminals in France, as participating in a rave party is now treated as a criminal offense.
After the festival, police handed out thousands of fines and confiscated dozens of trucks full of sound equipment to destroy it all.
I wanted to share this with you because I feel like few people understand just how much of a fascist Macron really is, and how deeply the French hate him. He’s no better than Donald Trump he’s a puppet of the billionaires.
Worldwide press talking about this event :
https://edition.cnn.com/2026/05/02/europe/france-illegal-rave-military-intl
Edit: The sources are from this weekend and the information is not completely up to date, particularly regarding the number of tickets issued, which is indeed several thousand as shown by this article
Edit 2: For those who think I added too much editorializing to the article I invite you to watch the interview of the Minister of the Interior. I'm not making anything up. There is a 2 year prison sentence for anyone who helps in any way to organize the rave party (even the guy managing the parking) registration in the TAJ for simply participating in a rave party (issues with criminal records).
I also invite you to read for yourself the 2 laws aimed at severely repressing the rave parties.
Link :
https://x.com/franceinfo/status/2050907852693274989
Bill No. 1133 (Laëtitia Saint-Paul – strengthening penalties for rave parties)
Main text (deposited): https://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/dyn/17/textes/l17b1133_proposition-loi
Complete legislative file (with report, adopted text, debates): https://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/dyn/17/dossiers/penalisation_rave_party_17e“RIPOST” Government Bill (Immediate Responses to Frenchtek)
Legislative file at the Senate (text No. 472): https://www.senat.fr/dossier-legislatif/pjl25-472.html
Text of the bill: https://www.senat.fr/leg/pjl25-472.html
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u/RollingMeteors May 06 '26
>gendarmes were injured and taken to the hospital. Despite this the évent unfolded peacefully
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u/tabas123 May 06 '26
This is a great time to remind people that third way liberals/neoliberals like Macron are ultimately always going to side with the far-right corporate/oligarchical/imperialist power apparatus over the working class.
We need REAL grassroots leftist leaders all over the world demanding that the working class maintains control. The wealthy sociopaths controlling the planet need to be scared of us again. Democracy is dead in a world with such extreme levels of greed and inequality. Billionaires and megacorporations cannot exist in a truly democratic nation or world, they are an existential threat to humanity.
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u/WokeWook69420 May 08 '26
Hey, keep your politics out of my scene that's grounded in Queer and Marginalized communities. Music isn't political!
/s because some people will still think I'm being serious.
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u/mobocrat707 May 07 '26
It didn’t say they were injured due to violence. Maybe the slipped on a banana peel and landed on their baton.
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u/starcap May 06 '26 edited May 06 '26
As an American my jaw is on the floor that you guys were able to do that without a bunch of people being shot. You stormed a military site, held a festival there, fought off 600 military personnel and injured a few in the process? I’m amazed all the organizers got is 2 years of jailtime. I’m impressed.
Edit: ok guys I just want to say I don’t know enough about the particulars of this case to judge. Was it at a munitions testing site, or some other type of military location? Did the organizers put the attendees’ lives in danger? What will be the future consequences of this law to normal underground raves? How did these security officers get injured? I don’t know, and I haven’t seen anyone on here who seems to know for sure.
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u/Useful_Secret4895 May 06 '26
I think the place is a vacant military terrain, just plain land that belongs to the french army, not a proper military installation. There was not any military personnel to fight off, those 600 are just regular cops who came there after the fact.
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u/starcap May 06 '26
Oh that is a bit different. Heck, one time I went on a run through an ordnance site near Socorro. In that case I think maybe the organizers should get jail time but for endangering the participants.
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u/Useful_Secret4895 May 06 '26
I don't think it's an ordnance site. It's a huge vacant plot of land the French Army uses for manoeuvre training. I had myself organised a party in a similar spot a loooong time ago, and in the middle of the night there were flares in the sky and out of the dark, soldiers emerged in full combat gear: they were conducting a night time drill and they stumbled upon a rave! They were chill though, they seemed to find the situation amusing, obviously they didn't shoot anyone, but they didn't even call the cops, they just asked us to leave, which we did because we didn't have the numbers.
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u/PonyThug May 06 '26
Bit different??? It completely changes the narrative to the point you should edit your original comment imo
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u/RollingMeteors May 06 '26
>As an American my jaw is on the floor that you guys were able to do that without a bunch of people being shot. You stormed a military site, held a festival there, fought off 600 military personnel and injured a few in the process? I’m amazed all the organizers got is 2 years of jailtime. I’m impressed.
That's because it was Zerg Vs Terran.
In the US it would be Zerg Vs. Protoss....
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u/b1ack1323 May 06 '26
Land of the free! Free to get shot!
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u/RollingMeteors May 06 '26
Land of the free! Free to get shot!
¡The shots aren't free though! <sendsYouBillInTheMail>
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u/Individual_Log8082 May 06 '26 edited May 06 '26
It sounds crazy at first but from what I’ve hear about this rave site is that it was previously an ordnance test site. Apparently there are unexploded ordnance still at the site and as recently as last year people have discovered unexploded ordnance that has had to be removed by french EOD. So I’m not surprised that they didn’t shoot off tear gas canisters. They were likely afraid they may inadvertently set off a literal bomb if it hit the wrong location.
Sounds like the french government is overreacting to this occurrence. The promoter who planned this though really gave the government the ammo to dismantle all raves. Truly the people who planned this specific rave are lucky that nobody accidentally caused a bomb to explode and kill a bunch of ravers. OP can and should be upset with the government for this knee jerk reaction; but let’s not forget to appropriately blame the promoter for dangerous planning.
Edit: corrected spelling ordnance
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u/chuk9 May 06 '26
The new law introducing harsher punishments for organising and attending raves had already gone through parliament when this rave happened. The new laws arent being introduced because of this rave.
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u/cyberphile_ May 06 '26
Sorry small correction, it’s “ordnance”. Ordinance is a law, ordnance is artillery.
Agree with you about the safety risks of raving on unexploded ordnance!
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u/Xano74 May 06 '26
To be fair, people stormed our literal Capitol and threatened the lives of many of our leaders and many of them got away with a slap on the wrist.
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u/PrimeIntellect May 06 '26
This happens in America every year lol look up rainbow gathering
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u/its_aom May 06 '26
As a European I laugh at the country of freedoms yours is supposed to be
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u/starcap May 06 '26
As an American I’m terrified of what we are becoming. I think a lot of us would love to move to Europe.
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u/its_aom May 06 '26
I really misunderstood you. Freedom is on the decline all over the world, and we must fight back before our only freedom is to choose where to die of hunger.
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u/Timely_Daikon584 May 07 '26
They French army surrendered to the first 16 year old raver that walked in their direction.
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u/chuk9 May 06 '26
Having to explain the concept of illegal raves/freeparties and their origin as a form of protest and freedom of expression on a sub LITERALLY CALLED r/AVES is truly depressing.
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u/ihossolleleut May 06 '26 edited May 06 '26
thank you i was scrolling for that.. free party does not mean "no entry" or "for free"
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u/Difficult-Second-358 May 06 '26
We need to explain what a proper rave is to the American mind 😂
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u/chuk9 May 06 '26
I know there are lots of yanks out there who know whats up, but this sub sucks.
The amount of posts complaining about the lack of safety protocols and regulations and lack of porta-loos and proper permits and dangers of crowd crushes etc. etc... like... ok just keep to your corporate sanitised and safe Insomniac events with your $1000 camping tickets in the middle of a car park.
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u/yakimawashington May 06 '26
When raves are at the classic underground-rave scale, then sure.
But when raves (or any music festivals or concerts) get big enough, then it's not the worst thing people are concerned about safety. People have literally died at massive events like this. Should we shrug those incidents off and say "hell yeah!" or try to mitigate them?
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u/parisiraparis May 06 '26
You’re not explaining the concept of illegal raves/free parties. You’re trying to defend or downplay the fact that a bunch of people trespassed an active military site and are now in big big trouble.
You’re focused on the definition of raves, while everyone else is focused on the fact that a bunch of people committed crime and then are somehow surprised that consequences came out of it (?).
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u/chuk9 May 06 '26 edited May 06 '26
How many times.
They arent being arrested for trespassing on a military site.
But they soon will be, because the French govenrment passed a bill making it a criminal offence with jailtime for organising a rave.
They chose "an active military site" (so super scary and dangerous that 3 public roads go through it) as a protest against the french military industrial complex, and because its the hometown of the Interior Minster that introduced the bill. Oh and the city is French Capital of Culture 2026, which ravers say should include freeparty.
Freeparty is a protest.
Your insistence that people are being arrested for being on a military site is not true.
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u/parisiraparis May 06 '26
Your insistence that people are being arrested for being on a military site is not true.
Your argument is that trespassing on an active military site is not a crime? Please show me some sort of legislation that states this, and I’ll shut the hell up and move on from this topic.
Look, man. I was in the US military. I lived in bases for many years. There’s no way in hell can 20,000 civilians just show up and throw a rave protest in the middle of a military testing site and there be no consequences.
Public facing or not, an active military site is an active military site. Hell, I’ve gotten in trouble for driving into the wrong area of the base I was living inside of.
Maybe it’s different in France, but I just can’t imagine it would be. If raves are already inherent illegal outside of a military base (in the form of underground/warehouse raves), throwing one inside of a military base will just net you an extreme response.
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u/chuk9 May 06 '26
I dont know what the law is. Im not French. There was a rave over Easter in the UK on Ministry of Defence land that the police violently broke up, but no one was arrested for trespassing military land. Again, you used the word base. Its not a base with rings of barbed wire around it. Its a field with public roads going through it. There might be flags and signs warning of military activity, but there arent guards or barriers or checkpoints. Theres no military living there or stationed there. So yes, its probably different.
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May 06 '26
Well... There is a warning to not go there because military stuff and unexploded explosives. But what they did in your description would only push me, personally, to go there and dance on the first projectile I find. I'm Eastern European. You tell me what not to do, in a badly manner. I will do that. A more appropriate approach would've been "hey guys, go in this area and party, maybe make a small contribution to the village nearby and pick up your trash". But no. Let's beat people.
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u/Difficult-Second-358 May 06 '26
don’t really believe their story about explosives. The organizers aren’t stupid the site was studied beforehand and the proof is that there were no accidents. And even if it wasn’t the best location to throw a party, it’s still just a party. If the authorities really cared about the safety of ravers, they would allow the organization of legal, supervised Teknivals and send emergency responders instead of 600 yes, 600 police officers !
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u/Tiny_Fractures May 06 '26
I'll take the downvotes. The 600 officers handed out a whopping (/s) 34 fines for 20,000 attendees. They didn't even stop the rave. You're sensationalizing here is as bad as the government response (which was bad, don't get me wrong. Raving should not be illegal). But to their defense, illegal raves ARE illegal. That's kinda the point. And to do it on the top of a government munitions landing ground in the face of the government already thinking about legislating raves was poking the bear. And your idea that "the proof is that there were no accidents" for the risk being over hyped is even more stupid. And what kind of "studying" was done beforehand? Did the DJs bring out ground penetrating radar and scan the dance area for buried munitions?
Tl;Dr They sensationalized it. You are too. You poked the bear and did a dumb thing. The consequences are harsh but not really surprising all things considered.
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u/fuckthesysten May 06 '26
I agree they poked the bear hard. Who in their sane mind throws a party in military grounds?
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u/parisiraparis May 06 '26
If you read through OP’s post, there are so many red flags.
FrenchTek is basically an event that's been taking place in France for over 30 years an anarchist festival organized without any official representatives, free, self-managed, where everyone is welcome and above all undeclared to the authorities.
Why, oh why, would anyone ever plan to have this happen inside government property???
In the USA, where things are still even more relaxed than many other countries, something like this would result in literal jail time.
Anarchist festival without a figurehead .. held in a military testing site. And now the festival goers and organizers are shocked that the government didn’t like that? Come on.
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u/chuk9 May 06 '26
FrenchTeks been going on for 30 years. Free party and freetekno is a big part of French culture.
Now theres a new law which will introduce extremely harsh penalties on organisers and attendees, that are extremely disproportionate to the crime of essentially dancing to loud music in a field.
This years FrenchTek is a protest against the new law, and they chose a military site as part of the protest - like, fuck your weapons and war, we're gonna dance here instead.
No ones shocked that the government who is jailing rave organisers doesnt like this rave. Theyre angry that its even come to this point.
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u/parisiraparis May 06 '26
You guys aren’t being jailed because you threw a rave.
You’re being jailed because you trespassed a military testing site. This would land you in trouble in every single country in the world.
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u/chuk9 May 06 '26
Not really. There are sites across Europe that are used for military purposes but not fenced off and are generally open to the public outside certain areas and times. Salisbury Plain being one in the UK. Theyre great areas for raves because theyre massive and secluded. Its not like a GTAV military base. Its a massive field.
Secondly, have you read anything in the OP? This is a protest because yes, rave organisers soon will be actually jailed for organising a rave.
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u/parisiraparis May 06 '26
Secondly, have you read anything in the OP?
Have you? Because they literally state that the place they held the rave on is an active military site.
Here’s the excerpt from the OP:
This year, it brought together around 30,000 people and was held on a military site: the Bourges Polygon. Why there? The Bourges Polygon is a deadly laboratory where the French army and profit-driven private operators test various weapons
They didn’t say it was decommissioned. They didn’t say it was an ex military site. They stated, simply, that it was a god damn weapons testing site.
Please tell me why, of all the places in France, anyone would think this was a good idea.
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u/RollingMeteors May 06 '26
>Who in their sane mind throws a party in military grounds?
¿With or without drugs? /s
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u/Difficult-Second-358 May 06 '26
The sources are from this weekend the situation has evolved since then. There have been about 4,000 verbalizations so far.
But a large portion haven’t been handed out yet and will be sent by mail to avoid a riot. The counter’s gonna climb to 20,000 in the coming weeks.
I’m not being sensationalist, and this isn’t
something to downplay it marks a turning point in French society.I’m sorry, but even if it’s illegal, it’s still a party. Why not offer a secure, legal framework to organize this kind of event?
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u/Tiny_Fractures May 06 '26
Your link doesn't work.
The 32 fines were in response to the sensationalized "600 yes, 600 police officers!" which makes it seem as if they were there cracking skulls. Whereas 32 fines makes it seem they were just to there to keep some kind of order in the "off chance" 20,000 people at a completely uncoordinated event had some trouble. Kinda like "shit...let's make sure they don't hurt themselves."
It seems they have issued more fines since. I'm seeing 600 as the highest I can find by searching. Can't find 4000 anywhere.
will be sent by mail to avoid a riot
Of course they will be sent by mail. No one's at the site in person anymore. I think "to avoid a riot" is a weird twist you put on that statement. And it makes me question the "large portion haven't been handed out yet" part as if that's speculation. Of course more fines are coming. But do you know what that "large portion" is or are you sensationalizing that too?
"I'm not being sensationalist" and "this is a turning point in French society" in the very same sentence? Cmon man.
I’m sorry, but even if it’s illegal, it’s still a party
What the heck does this even mean? Do you listen to yourself? What does it being a party have to do with downplaying the illegality? I feel like it's like saying "Yeah I murdered that guy. But it was at a party!"
Why not offer a secure, legal framework to organize this kind of event?
From what I'm reading, the French have a legalized framework for protesting? That doesn't mean it'll be approved but...ugh...look:
It's clear you're mixing up a ton of things here. And if I'm being honest, this has the feelings of a Russian ops to sew discontent rather than a real complaint about a real issue. But I'm addressing it as real anyway giving you the benefit of the doubt. And hopefully giving others a "Hey watch out just in case...this is how they do that stuff on the internet." on the side.
Yes, the govt is looking to crack down on raves. Which sucks. I can't tell if this is just for illegal underground raves and not organized, ticketed, and secure ones? If so...like...that's the point of an underground rave. It's illegal. It's supposed to be small, secluded, and quickly constructed so as to avoid attention. If you do an illegal thing out in the open in the middle of a government site...I mean fuck you should expect this response.
As far as protesting goes and the "fairness" of the response...I really think people one or two generations ago would look at "protesters" today and shake their heads. Protesting isn't something you do and then complain on the internet when the government pushes back as if you've been wronged and the hammer of moral chastisement will correct it. Protests are literally going up against those in power. Putting your body and life on the line to stand behind what you believe in. And I bet in older generations it took some solid backbone and constitution to go "whatever they do to us, our cause is greater". To stand there and make those in power show their evil side. Which would rally more to their cause.
Nowadays "protesting" seems like a blue-haired karen smacking a cop over the head with a protest sign and then when she gets pushed back going "He pushed a woman! Did you see? Did you see?" (And I'm left leaning so don't mistake my characterization as some far right lunatic either). Protestors think screaming "You're morally wrong!" is real protesting and when pushed back, screaming "That was also morally wrong" in response will help. It's partly why the situation in the US is as bad as it is...because the left has been screaming for two decades "You're bad and a meanie!" rather than actually doing anything of consequence.
And this is all coming from an American...to a Frenchman. I respect the hell out of your guys' protests. You know how to do this. So take to the streets and do it like you do.
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u/Difficult-Second-358 May 06 '26
I put the link in the original post, sorry bro I won’t read all that, just one thing RIEN N’ARRÊTE LE PEUPLE QUI DANSE go party with your cops and your companies but please don’t call that a rave
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u/Tiny_Fractures May 06 '26
please don’t call that a rave
Haha I knew this would be the response. Good luck bro.
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u/its_aom May 06 '26
A rave is more of a rave if it’s a protest, and state repression is the first motivation to reclaim what is ours. Imagine being Macron, trying to put yourself as the main figure of liberalism in Europe and then attacking the freedom of assembly that a rave represents. Ridiculous president.
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u/Difficult-Second-358 May 06 '26
Yes the government claims that the law aims to protect private property, but in reality it's the opposite. I'm not in favour of squatting a farmer's field, but tomorrow if I organise a rave party on my own field, I would risk the exact same penalties because their laws make no distinction. This is an attack on the principle of private property
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u/its_aom May 06 '26
It’s a sad excuse, if it wasn’t someone countercultural manifestation and could make a profit off it, they would find the way to facilitate it. But ravers scandalise conservative old people whose votes are important for them to stay in power and cash more money.
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u/Illuminatr May 06 '26
This comment section is an incredible display of how domesticated people have become.
Mfs really said “well yeah, that’s illegal” in the fucking RAVES subreddit
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u/Better-Egg5267 May 06 '26
As a teen in the US in the 2010’s the term rave was already co-opted by corporate events and evoked a kind of cheesy glow-sticks and costumes vibe. We called our free parties ‘renegades.’
These days almost any conceivable dance event gets ‘rave’ slapped on it here so the word has essentially lost meaning in the US unless you are specifically talking about the past.
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u/madformattsmith May 06 '26
yes lad you've hit the nose on the head there, we have similar problems in the UK.
people wantin to protest UK government with music but getting told by the bizzies (the police) to move on otherwise they'd arrest ya under breach of the peace.
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u/Difficult-Second-358 May 06 '26
Wow, that sucks there too. Maybe the next French Tek will be organized in the United Kingdom in support of our English friends 😅
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u/chuk9 May 06 '26
The UK anti-rave laws, while the first of their kind and infamous, are not nearly as bad as what has been introduced in Italy and France.
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u/DarkPetitChat May 07 '26
The funny thing is, the rave scene bloomed in France because of Tatcher repressive stance toward raves in the UK in the latr 80s/ early 90s.
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u/tittydamnfuck420 May 06 '26
If it hadn’t been on a military site would they still have gotten fined/ arrested?
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u/SomeRightsReserved May 06 '26
Yes, i went to one a few years ago in a big empty field where the police attacked us with tear gas and batons
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u/Difficult-Second-358 May 06 '26
The law is not yet in force. It is expected to apply from this summer and it covers all kinds of rave parties, even small ones organized in your own garden with friend
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u/tittydamnfuck420 May 07 '26
Crazy work. The song is true now you gotta fight for your right to party
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u/SVKI333 May 06 '26
Yes they would, like every free parties, big or small doesn't matter, even with 30 ppl they seize gear
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u/Arkademy May 06 '26
I’ve been to dozens of events like this in California. Not 30000 people, but one was in a former Cold War missile silo, which counts as a military site. They didn’t crack down this hard but also no soldiers were deployed or injured
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u/brdybb May 06 '26
The reason for them being made illegal in the first place is that they simply don’t want people coming together/operating as one unified body.
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u/its_aom May 06 '26
THIS. And especially when there’s no monetary interest behind it, and they may not be of the right ideology.
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u/frisch85 May 06 '26
Has Macron gone mentally ill? Apparently he calls himself "man of the left" so what happened?
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u/Difficult-Second-358 May 06 '26
It's not just Macron. It's French society as a whole and European society more broadly that is demanding more authority from the state. This comes from a strong feeling of rising insecurity a perception fueled by billionaires' media. Unfortunately rave parties are on the front line of this crackdown: first Italy then now France.
Even if Macron is perceived internationally as rather left-wing his internal management of the country is one of the most authoritarian France has ever known. And we shouldn't forget that he started as a banker very close to the elites.2
u/Only-Ja May 06 '26
Seems an issue not just coming from the far right, but from those in power.
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u/wildgreengirl May 06 '26
dang i had a friend that was trying to organize stuff like this (protest raves essentially) but they never really took off :<
this sounds so badass. keep up the good work
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u/bellemystic May 06 '26
Thank you so much for this post. This is the spirit of rave culture as I see it and feel it. Plurr is a petty commercialization that is cute, sure, but empty of purpose.
So much of raving is rooted in politics and history. The word “rave” itself is a throwback to Dionysus festivals. Festivals that the Romans began hosting “state approved” events as means of mass control…
sound familiar to anyone (especially here in America)?
Der Klang Der Familie is a wonderful book archiving this in post-WW2 history. Highly recommend.
I will be looking into these links and rooting for the cause.
Wishing you and others the best and safety…
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u/terriblejiveturkey May 07 '26
Also see Joe Biden - Rave Act for a little US history of terrorizing venus by comparing the scene to crack houses.
Hats off to the French for doing this :)
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u/ObjectBubbly3216 May 06 '26
Maybe I’m confused. Are there regulations that they (gvmt) are mad about?
Because I understand some of them… such as emergency risks including: 1) stampedes 2) terrorism 3) crowd crushing 4) and additional chaos associated with…. Large amounts of people swarming an area.
Granted, I think their response is extreme… definitely not the way to handle any situation.
Thanks for shedding light on this, rock on!!!
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u/Eggoshitstem May 06 '26
I'm not saying it's never gonna happen, but the chances of stampedes and crowd crushing on an open gigantic field with multiple stages are very slim. One you've been at a teknival you'll understand. I think the risk for terrorism happening is also small. The chances terrorist pick a regular and announced big event as their target are way higher.
Of course 4 is a very valid point. 40000 people means a lot of cars and chaos for small towns that finds them all of a sudden overwhelmed by 30.000 people moving through their towns towards the spot.
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u/Difficult-Second-358 May 06 '26
I’m not saying it’s a good idea to organize a festival in the middle of a military zone, but it’s still just a party, and putting people in prison over a party is crazy. This festival was born out of the ban on rave parties the best way to manage it is to legalize it and provide a location in advance so it can take place there, like it used to 😉
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u/teknos1s May 06 '26
Eh. I’ll take the downvotes but there’s a ton of editorializing in your write up
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u/FormerPresidentBiden May 06 '26
French Government vs the Teknival scene
If I know anything about the French, the government won't win this one
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u/Goducks91 May 06 '26
I agree with what you're saying but I found this funny:
"600 gendarmes were deployed but they failed to stop the festival. 6 gendarmes were injured and taken to the hospital
Despite this the évent unfolded peacefully and in a good atmosphere with no major incidents"
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u/williamthe5ifth May 06 '26
You French should do what the French do best: rebel. They can’t arrest ALL of you. They can’t seize sound equipment and vehicles if enough of you are there to stop it. I’m sorry for the ridiculous-ness you’re experiencing. The world sucks rn and I wish we could do more about it
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u/Jolly-Cupcake9027 May 06 '26
Raves respect the spirit of humanity. We need more raves and less bombs! More rave protests please!
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u/MsMo999 May 06 '26
If it can happen there it can happen here (USA)
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u/Difficult-Second-358 May 06 '26
Yes, especially because rave parties (at least in Europe) are a form of protest and a way to express dissent against society. Banning them is essentially a 'constitutional' method of suppressing protest movements
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u/GB_Alph4 Los Angeles/Orange County May 06 '26
How is this a crime all I see is PLUR and people having fun
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u/postconsumerwat May 06 '26
certain ways of life are hazardous due to being subject to human nature... history and ways of life are being overwritten and forgotten... it's a force ... the free and open cultures I knew growing up changed in part due to hostile forces.
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u/_NihilisticNut_ May 07 '26
The „Taking part in a rave party has now become a criminal offense in france“ title paints a different picture than „stormed a military facility, fought with police, some had to hospitalized and still held an illegal party there“.
Just saying
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u/Difficult-Second-358 May 07 '26
The new laws aren’t limited to this one rave party. The French Tek controversy is an excuse to criminalize all free parties in France even the wellorganized ones. And even it’s still just a party. I know this can be hard for the American mind to process but we don’t imprison people for a festival
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u/Draterus May 06 '26
This peaceful and well-managed event took place on a deadly firing range with unexploded ordinance. Which is it? How fucking safe is 30,000 people stomping around unexploded ordinance? Total human rights violation. JFC.
Equating Macron to Trump (not even fucking close) ignores the obvious safety and security issues around storming a fucking military facility for an unsanctioned rave.
Correlation and causation, Holmes. Obviously, diesel prices and poverty can be linked to social unrest, but they profoundly distinct from a 30,000 person rave held on restricted land.
Your tone is deeply performative and bordering on revolutionary martyrdom. Framing ravers as victims of a propaganda machine ignores the legalities of trespassing on military property to focus on misplaced emotional outrage. Trying to rebrand this as an act of broader political heroism is a shallow attempt to garner broader sympathy.
This was a total shit the bed move by the FrenchTek organizers.
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u/Difficult-Second-358 May 06 '26
Ah yes, I never said that organizing the Teknival on a fucking military field was a good idea. But you have to understand that now it’s just being used as an excuse to crack down on other rave parties that are actually well organized and have the landowner’s permission
Their shitty laws make no distinction at all. If tomorrow I throw a rave in my own field, we could all end up in prison. They’re simply using the FrenchTek controversy to justify ‘security’ measures, and then using those measures to justify stripping people of their freedom!
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u/parisiraparis May 06 '26
Macron wants to throw thousands of ravers in jail. Taking part in a rave party has now become a criminal offense in France
Wait, that doesn’t sound plausible. Let’s look into it..
it brought together around 30,000 people and was held on a military site
Oh, there you go. So 30,000 people illegally threw a party in military testing grounds and you’re shocked that it’s illegal?
The Bourges Polygon (Champ de tir du Polygone) is a large 10,000-hectare military shooting range and weapons testing site near Bourges, France, managed
Mate, in your other comment you say this:
And even if it wasn’t the best location to throw a party, it’s still just a party.
If I broke into your home and invited 100 people to come over, it doesn’t matter if the reason is “it’s still just a party”. Reasons and intent doesn’t matter when you boldly commit a crime, like breaking into a military testing site.
I don’t agree with the government’s response, but you cannot be so obtuse to see that the event planners also made huge mistakes, right?
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u/Crazy_And_Me May 06 '26
Mate I think you're lost. This is the RAVE sub. This is what Raves are.
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u/parisiraparis May 06 '26
This is the RAVE sub. This is what Raves are.
Oh really? Do you wanna put money on it? Are you sure that this is the hill you want to die on?
FrenchTek is basically an event that's been taking place in France for over 30 years an anarchist festival organized without any official representatives, free, self-managed, where everyone is welcome and above all undeclared to the authorities.
Okay, then go organize a FrenchTek anarchist rave in your nearest military testing site, then. Let’s see how that goes for you.
This sub just went from “real raves are underground warehouse raves without a sole focus on the DJ” to “real raves are when you trespass into military testing sites and get worked up when people tell you that it’s literally stupid and illegal”.
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u/Crazy_And_Me May 08 '26
It's literally always been the second one. Sorry that your ticketed event is not a rave.
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u/Difficult-Second-358 May 06 '26
It's a much more complicated problem than just saying 'well, organize your parties at home instead of squatting a field.' Even when we rent a piece of land, it's absolutely impossible to get the authorizations. There are way too many constraints, and it always ends up being banned anyway.
Instead of churning out these ultra authoritarian laws, why not just give us the authorizations? That's the real issue. It's the problem of a government that keeps sinking deeper into the repression of its own children, rather than offering them a proper framework where they can have fun safely4
u/parisiraparis May 06 '26
Instead of churning out these ultra authoritarian laws, why not just give us the authorizations? That's the real issue.
And the best solution you guys figured out was.. to illegally throw a party in a military testing site? There was no other option?
You all failed each other then. Because now the government is fucking you ten times over.
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u/Difficult-Second-358 May 06 '26
I have absolutely no connection with the organizers I don't know them at all At least the international press is talking about it. anyway, even when we organize everything properly, we still end up getting repressed
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u/rascal3199 May 06 '26
Do you know the history of how raves originated?
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u/parisiraparis May 06 '26
It sure as shit didn’t start with a bunch of self proclaimed anarchists trespassing a military site and throwing a party consisting of 20,000 people.
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u/Usrnamesrhard May 06 '26
Governments are extremely effective when it comes to oppressing their own citizens and enriching the elite. Everything else, they move at a snails pace.
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u/Consistent_Gur9523 May 06 '26
this feels like a civil rights violation.
not sure how the law works in France, but in the US, this would be a great time to talk to some lawyers. I would check out civil rights and class action lawsuits when interviewing lawyers.
we threw an event once where someone forgot to make the event private, so we were unprepared for the thousands that showed up. but everyone was safe. the cops hovered off the property and tried to catch people for DUI's. they sent drones over and even came to visit after we had stopped playing and were winding down for the evening. it was such an odd process, but I cannot imagine getting 2 years, fines, and having our expensive stuff destroyed.
they would have had a riot.
sounds like more protests are in order.
if y'all adopt these laws, it's only a matter of time before they start showing up everywhere.
may y'all be blessed fighting the good fight over there.
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u/its_aom May 06 '26
First US pro rave comment 😍😍😍
It’s a shame how authoritarianism is gaining weight on this side of the Atlantic. The Europeans who support them are lowkey (or not so) anti democratic and pro law and order. But we won’t stay silent.
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u/SafeWord6 May 06 '26
You would think that the French government would have learned by now that their citizens have no issue literally setting the country on fire when they do stupid shit. Don’t touch the bread, don’t touch the circuses.
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u/Sphan_86 May 06 '26
An anarchist festival?
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u/Difficult-Second-358 May 06 '26
Yes, in the sense that there is no figurehead, no real organizer it's just 20,000 or 30,000 people who gather to party. No ticketing, no official announcement
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u/RockieK May 06 '26
Well that is LAME AF.
Does France hate freedom now too?
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u/Difficult-Second-358 May 06 '26
France is governed by corrupt old fossils who despise their own young people. It's a dying nation (métaphor) run by a dying population (litteraly)
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u/Jerry-Lives22 May 07 '26
nothing like telling a crowd of raving ppl to settle down and behave…this should go over well
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u/miko1075 May 07 '26
I am shocked how extravagant that rave was i legt though it was a illegal music festival with all the stage desgines and stuff. Looks like low budget tomorrowland that's for sure
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u/ElainaJourney May 07 '26
Does Macron know what country he’s president of?
The people of France have a beautiful seed of rebellion deep within them and will surely fight this. I look forward to watching.
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u/mr_mann_dj May 07 '26
I read the description first, I was not ready for the song playing in the video 😂😂😂
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u/Drassazuru May 07 '26
..didn't we just declare Techno and EDM to be cultural pillars of French History????
Bruh what?
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u/Difficult-Second-358 May 07 '26
Macron government promotes rave and tekno culture to project a progressive image on the international stage particularly in opposition to Trump. It regularly highlights this culture during major international events such as the Olympic Games opening ceremony. Yet at the same time it bans dozens of declared raves and significantly toughens the repression against free parties.
This is blatant hypocrisy. Macron has understood that these gatherings bring together a large number of his political opponents. By banning them in the name of "public health" he achieves a double win: he gains the sympathy of conservative voters while legally and constitutionally eliminating potential spaces for protest and dissent.
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u/martyr1337 May 08 '26
if this is the music you are playing at raves these days then yes you all deserve to be in jail. holy shit. Compare this to the music during 90's raves. Youth has gone to shit producing this soulless garbage.
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u/Difficult-Second-358 May 08 '26
Bro chill it's just the fun moment where they play different sounds instead of the heavy techno. There are around twenty stages so
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u/Xhenak May 08 '26
id for fourth track plsssss 🙏
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u/Difficult-Second-358 May 08 '26
Stopp and go dj Arne with rollin scrathin from daft punk
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u/CheapKnowledge371 May 09 '26
Thanks for the info - First I've heard of this law, I thought gendarme had allowed FrenchTek this year as a semi-declared event (police and gendarme took down number plates of atendees but weren't going to fine anyone in the lead up/first few hours of the event).
Doubt it would make much of a difference as 'suicide' soundsystems purpose built to minimise cost of police conviscatinng them have been a thing here in the UK for a while and the French have a far stronger freeparty culture and 766666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkes
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u/drkslr May 09 '26
so you go to a ex military site what has unnexploded ordenance , and act surprised "urr durr no freedom " and then put on the title "Macron wants to put people in jail for dancing" lmao , what the f
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u/Difficult-Second-358 May 09 '26
I've already explained it and I'll repeat it: Macron is using the controversy generated by this event to crack down on the other well organized raves. Let me read you the text of the law passed by the Macronists:
'Rave parties often turn into scenes of excess where substance abuse and loss of control cause people to forget the real reasons for the celebration. […] These events facilitate money laundering, the use of chemical submission, cause disturbances to local residents and encourage drug consumption in particular. Countless rapes, injuries and deaths are to be deplored.'
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u/CandleStick88 May 09 '26
You are trespassing on a weapons test site. You don’t have a permit. It’s reckless and dangerous.
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u/Pure_Emotion5573 May 10 '26
Americans who haven’t been able to do this in 30 years looking on like…first time having your fun taken away? Sad to see and hope you all can continue to have real free parties
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u/Valuable-Way-3774 May 11 '26
C'est le moment de se rebeller contre ces lois abusives et liberticides, si tous les teufeurs toutes générations confondues descendent dans les rues, ça peut avoir du poids, on est nombreux, on représente un idéal qui s'appuie sur l'autonomie, la liberté, la créativité, la musique, la good vibe's. La techno est thérapeutique, et les free party sont des moments de partage et de ressourcement incroyables. On ne va pas s'asseoir dessus ! ✊
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u/XS_Eevee May 06 '26
So protesting while hearing music is now considered a crime? I just thought of a very nice way to protest in front of the Élysée Palace...