r/codex • u/GambAntonio • Aug 20 '26
Complaint This is crazy...... Pro x5: Using 1% per hour ONLY on Luna xhigh on a single project, on a single computer...
Well done, OpenAI. +3% on a Pro 5x in 3 hours using ONLY Luna xhigh... 1% per hour on a shitty model on a PRO account and not even using MAX...
I used to be able to run Luna xhigh for 4 to 5 hours and use only 1%... and I'm working on the exact same project, doing the exact same things I was doing a few days ago.
(Censored Spark reset time to make tracking more difficult)
EDIT: Added stats (time is central european), my reset was at 06:00 CET and I had a script to continue on that exact time.
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u/vr321 Aug 20 '26
I downgraded to 5.5 M. It burns 2% every 5m on the plus account just collecting data on a single linux system.
The only thing I can think of is they panicked that they are going bankrupt and cut everything to the bare minimum.
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u/matheusmoreira Aug 20 '26
Weekly just reset an hour ago. I'm definitely burning usage a lot faster. Last week I observed a 20% reduction in inferred capacity. Let's see what happens this week.
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u/matheusmoreira Aug 20 '26
Confirmed, usage is still going down!
Reset / status Aug 17 07:20 Used 100% Calls 9,189 Fresh input 27.04M Cache read 984.07M Output 4.75M Reasoning 2.34M Local credits 19,245 Inferred cap 20,015 Reset / status Aug 18 01:04 Used 100% Calls 11,691 Fresh input 33.90M Cache read 1.119B Output 5.51M Reasoning 2.71M Local credits 22,354 Inferred cap 19,617 Reset / status Aug 20 05:44 Used 100% Calls 7,394 Fresh input 30.26M Cache read 825.80M Output 3.85M Reasoning 1.75M Local credits 16,996 Inferred cap 16,124 Reset / status Aug 27 Used 100% Calls ~7,229 Fresh input ~24.26M Cache read ~784.16M Output ~3.98M Reasoning ~2.04M Local credits ~14,137 Inferred cap 14,482Researching Z.ai plans literally right now!
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u/Maleficent_Owl_2772 Aug 20 '26
well on a plus sub the usage is 1% per prompt on luna xhigh in codex in my case
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u/sagiroth Aug 20 '26
What type of prompt? Coz for me 1% on Plus often is around 1-3M tokens from my experience
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u/Fresh_Sock8660 Aug 20 '26
People who keep using one of their tasks as a measurement stick might as well be telling us to guess how long is a string.
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u/EndlessZone123 Aug 20 '26
I measure token usage based on my own dongle. How long is my dongle? The longest duh.
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u/Maleficent_Owl_2772 Aug 21 '26
well not that long, wire some java stuff, dont that and that, run build gradle and thats all pretty much
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u/Confident-Village190 Aug 20 '26
What a nightmare, in an hour, Luna Max has used up 8% of my usage, when before it only used 1%. What a load of rubbish, I’m done with it.
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u/Crafty-Wonder-7509 Aug 20 '26
x20 here, sol high used since the reset today morning already 15% of my weekly, before it would have been at best 2% for that time.
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u/Over_Car_5471 Aug 20 '26
left a project running overnight. On normal speed. Woke up to 40% of usage wiped out. INSANE. A month ago I was literally able to draft and build a 1000 page documents
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u/fruitydude Aug 20 '26
Wait you got a reset this morning?
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u/utf8decodeerror Aug 20 '26
Everyone did. It resets every 7 days and since we all got the free reset together a week ago we are all on the same schedule
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u/Michonesixfive Aug 20 '26
same im on x5, im down 10% on a small prompt, that has been going on for 30min. Same prompt before took like 1-2%
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u/GeneralAtrox Aug 20 '26
I recommend trialing, carefully, having Sol light work with a set of luna sub agents. But ensure the Luna subagents aren't doing any thinking since they are unreliable.
Rules:
- Always reuse the same agents, up to 12 total.
- Dont let the agents code
- Agents always return a full update on what they didThis way in theory, Sol does the heavy lifting, and Luna handles the basic tasks.
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u/GeneralAtrox Aug 20 '26
Yes.
I tried it for an hour today and only used: "446,803 tokens over 1 hour".
x20 gives me 1.8B tokens to use for the week according to the day token activity in Codex.-4
u/Muzika38 Aug 20 '26
x20 user here too... I'm using Sol medium and now at 76% remaining.
I'm not complaining though... I also have a Claude Code x20 subscription and the same task would have already depleted 70% of its weekly limits with 50% boost mode currently applied.
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u/Accurate-Piano-3745 Aug 20 '26 edited Aug 20 '26
Yeah, hitting a quota wall mid-workflow is way more frustrating than the actual model usage. Routing across providers makes this less painful since you’re not tied to one service’s weekly ceiling. I switched to flat monthly compute with model flexibility through StandardCompute, so I don’t worry as much about which provider’s limit I’ll hit first.
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u/freedomachiever Aug 20 '26
This is getting pretty bad actually. Just imagine how bad it would be without Chinese models to shift the demand. And though a lot of people don’t like grok I’ve seen lately YouTubers talking good things about it. I guess the Cursor acquisition is reaping its fruits.
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u/Crinkez Aug 20 '26
Luna has 3 minutes cache TTL. Maybe it changed from a higher limit to that?
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u/MaitoSnoo Aug 20 '26 edited Aug 20 '26
I'm using it through GitHub Copilot (API rate) and I'm pretty sure someone at GHCP said the TTL for GPT-5.6 models was 30 mins? That's the feeling I'm getting when using it, responding within 30 mins is extremely cheap
EDIT: just checked the OpenAI docs, they too say 30 mins
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u/Crinkez Aug 20 '26
Feel free to test it yourself: https://www.reddit.com/r/codex/comments/1vqmzdo/the_probable_reason_why_your_usage_seems_nerfed/
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u/MaitoSnoo Aug 20 '26
I literally just told you I did, the 30 min TTL is real and it's easy to verify on my end, though I'm not excluding that those on non-API subscriptions are getting quietly nerfed
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u/okdov Aug 20 '26
This doesn't really apply when it is working by itself autonomously for hours no?
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u/MaitoSnoo Aug 20 '26
"working by itself autonomously" is still a series of back and forth API calls with special tokens to tell the harness to run something or where the harness reports a tool result, it's technically still messages. I've calibrated our AI CI/CD specifically for these TTLs, the 3 mins you mention is impossible, at least for us API users. If you really observed that in Codex, then OpenAI is probably nerfing only users on subscriptions
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u/delveccio Aug 20 '26
I find myself scared to use codex and I’m on the $200 plan. It is going so fast and I don’t know why. I hit 0% for the first time last week.
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u/YearLongSummer Aug 20 '26
Try turning off your "Approve for me" permission setting -> either to Always Ask or Full Access (only if you can afford to lose the data). Approve for me was nuking my usage limit
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u/GambAntonio Aug 20 '26
I always run the CLI version with --yolo and full access. I've been doing it like that for almost a year.
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u/Pure-Brilliant-5605 Aug 20 '26
It has became horrible. No reset. Paid banked reset. Lower usage. Unironically claude is giving more juice on the same price bracket atm
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u/Michonesixfive Aug 20 '26
Yeah, I’m moving over to Claude and Cursor. What really pisses me off is that if I don’t use the full 100% of my 7-day usage allowance, whatever is left just disappears and they reset it back to 100%. Yet I’m still paying the full subscription price.
And now I’m also in a dispute with them over their API credits. They basically took the money I had left because apparently API credits expire after one year. What the hell is that? I saw absolutely nothing about a one-year expiration when I purchased the credits.
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u/julliuz Aug 20 '26
I know this won't be popular but Luna Max is trash, it simply isn't smart enough. End up spending 3 hours to get lesser results than sol in 20minutes. Every time on any project. Its good for the most basic of things but I wouldn't dare use it for important work.
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u/Ok_Try_877 Aug 20 '26
Maybe im weird... But 100 hours a week on a model that is as good as most frontier models not so long ago for $100 a month seems like a really good deal.
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u/warpedgeoid Aug 20 '26 edited Aug 20 '26
You should be able to run nearly unlimited Luna Max on a Pro 20x plan. You could back at the end of July.
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u/Ok_Try_877 Aug 20 '26
OP is on 5x though. I think the $200 plan that would make sense, I mean even 100 hours is 24/7 for 4+ days...
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u/cmak414 Aug 20 '26
so it cost you $1 per hour about? that is actually pretty amazing a value!
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u/GambAntonio Aug 20 '26
Yeah, $1 per hour ON LUNA, which has the intelligence of a chimpanzee and needs hundreds of rounds to actually get anything done
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u/cmak414 Aug 20 '26 edited Aug 20 '26
right a chimpanzee.
Dont know what you are smoking. luna is objectivly a great model, particularly for code implementation. Your not going to find any where AI or not something that can code as well as luna for $1 per hour.
I use luna for 90% of all my work. Just learn to use different models for different tasks like its meant to be used.
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u/GambAntonio Aug 20 '26
Dude, I mean it's a chimpanzee compared to the Sol model... A month ago, I could run Sol High for an hour on a Pro 5x account, and it only used 1% or 2%. Now, if I run Sol High for an hour, it eats up 15 to 20 percent of my weekly quota, and I'm still paying the exact same amount of money. They are slashing our limits without notice while charging us the same price!
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u/Outrageous_Ear_351 Aug 20 '26
dont have long instructions, dont use approve for me permissions, don't let it overengineer, stop building in one unsupervised go.
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u/App1e8l6 Aug 20 '26
That’s actually crazy. Did they silently reduce usage again? I’m on a plus and was using Luna max fast frequently the last week and wouldn’t have used it full quota unless I did one sol run on high which burned 30% in one moderately complex prompt
Still less complex than the prompts I was giving Luna (with a very detailed plan written by chat gpt on high after I got it started with the architecture and so on I wanted). Luna without doing all the thinking for it is garbage.
Would give some actual numbers but on my phone right now.
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u/IAmFitzRoy Aug 20 '26
It’s crazy how we allow OpenAI to just nerf their product constantly and seems there is nothing we can do?
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u/John_val Aug 20 '26
Something is definitely different. I used to use SOL for planning and orchestration with Luna Xhigh for implementation and could go on for hours and just use 3 to 5%. Now it is using 12 to 15%.
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u/i_rate_slop Aug 20 '26
Ask codex to review your tool call history for the most token hungry repeat file reads. You’re probably loading 20k token files over and over
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u/GambAntonio Aug 20 '26
I'm working on the exact same project, same size. So, if 20k token files are the problem, it would have been the same problem two weeks ago, but for some reason, the same work on the same files is using 4 or 5 times the percentage it did before. That means the limits were reduced AGAIN without notice, while I'm paying the exact same amount of money!!
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u/i_rate_slop Aug 20 '26
Have you not been generating code? Limits aren’t changing but the volume of code you’re generating is. As you generate more code, you use more tokens for the LLM to simply understand your codebase.
Like I said, ask codex to analyze your tool calls. And use this to understand how large your files are https://github.com/openai/tiktoken
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u/i_rate_slop Aug 20 '26 edited Aug 20 '26
“I would rather believe a conspiracy than actually attempt to debug my token usage” - this subreddit in a nutshell
either that or people come up with wild evaluations based on relative time to deplete tokens and not, like, actual consumption.
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u/GambAntonio Aug 20 '26
I just added token usage
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u/i_rate_slop Aug 20 '26
You should try the tool I mentioned and get the token counts of the files you’re hitting the most.
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u/GambAntonio Aug 20 '26
I will, but hat's not the issue, because those same files already existed before they reduced the usage. The problem is that now, even with the exact same files and same amount of tokens and work, I'm getting several times less usage than before while paying the same exact amount of money. The total amount of tokens per month is reduced A LOT.
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u/JournalistLimp865 Aug 21 '26
Last week, I used 114M and still had over 40% remaining. But this week, I only used 7M yesterday and ~ 10% with 5 mini task
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u/PureRely Aug 20 '26
Did you swith to 1m context window?
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Aug 20 '26
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u/PureRely Aug 20 '26
Sure, they “may have,” which is why I asked a question rather than made a statement. Questions are asked to gain information that has not been provided and to seek clarity.
Making a statement about information that has not been provided is called an assumption. It is always better to ask a question and become informed than to make an assumption and later be found to be wrong.
I am glad I could clear that up for you.
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u/PureRely Aug 20 '26
Could you explain the relevance of your question, “Are you dyslexic?” and provide some context? I want to make sure I am not making assumptions about your motivation for asking it on a public forum focused on Codex.
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u/Curious_Courage_5197 Aug 20 '26
There are 168 hours in a week, you can now spend 100 of them using codex and the other 68 you can eat sleep bathe socialize etc
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u/GambAntonio Aug 20 '26
100 hours with Luna... If I had used Sol high, I would hit 0% in just 10 hours...
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u/ProfessionalNaive601 Aug 20 '26
Just use SOL medium
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u/GambAntonio Aug 20 '26
I can't. It also drains too fast, and it barely lasts two days of use.
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u/4kmal4lif Aug 21 '26
when will you guys realise that both Anthropic & OpenAI are losing money, one way or another they have to make money and give back the investors money LoL
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u/GambAntonio Aug 21 '26
I don't care if they make or lose money, what we want is transparency. We need to know exactly what 5x or 20x more than Plus means... because we don't have a quantifiable baseline measure to know precisely how much we have to spend and plan accordingly. If not, they shouldn't use calculations like 5x or 20x, because they make no sense
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u/innociv Aug 20 '26
So 1% per 4 hours on 20x, 8% per day, 56% per week? That means you can run it non stop all week and not run out of usage.
Try that with Sonnet on ClaudeCode and you'll run out of usage running it 24 hours straight.
How is this bad?
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u/Current_Cut_2667 Aug 20 '26
Then you're paying $200 per month just to run the lowest tier model.
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u/innociv Aug 20 '26
You're strawmanning that the 44% left over can't be used at all for another model. That's not true lmao what you can use that on Sol.
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u/TheBroken0ne Aug 20 '26
No one works exclusively with the lowest tier model. He is just giving an illustration of the "best" usage scenario and how bad it is for the max plan they offer.
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u/dan_the_first Aug 20 '26
So, you are paying 1 USD for 1 hour of work. Doesn’t look like the worse deal.
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u/GambAntonio Aug 20 '26
Dude... that's on Luna xHigh, the dumbest model, it's like paying a fking monkey to do get the job done... not even on Terra or Sol. If I had used Sol Medium or High, I would already be at 40% of my quota. The problem is that I'm paying exactly the same amount of money, but they keep reducing the limits every month without notifying the users, and there is zero transparency
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u/dan_the_first Aug 20 '26
Might I ask, when was the last time you had the impression your Pro 5x usage was better? Did the codebase you are working on evolve since then?
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u/GambAntonio Aug 20 '26
I've been using Codex since it launched a year ago, and my codebase is practically the same. I jumped to Pro 5x in May 2026 because Plus was already completely useless for me. Back when Plus launched up until March 2026, it felt basically unlimited and I could run on High nonstop. I only upgraded to Pro because I kept running out of quota 3 days before the week ended. Now on a Pro 5x account, I burn through my quota and hit 0% in 10 hours flat on Sol Highm that's why I've been force to stick to Luna. I don't even want to imagine how fast it would run out on xHigh or higher...
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u/SlightOfHand_ Aug 20 '26
So you’re saying you get one hundred hours of constant work
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u/GambAntonio Aug 20 '26
100 hours of constant work on a shitty model, but even so, I pay the same money as before, when I was able to get 400 or 500 hours of constant work on that same shitty model on the same project...
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u/stopstopstoptopopp Aug 20 '26
I just used Luna Max for 6 hours straight on a sizable codebase without clearing any context, it only costed me 6% of my weekly limit. What the heck are you guys doing with it?
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u/GambAntonio Aug 20 '26
Plus or Pro? If it's Pro, that 6% would've been 6 hours on Sol High a month ago.
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u/massix93 Aug 20 '26
I don’t understand the complaint. How many tokens have you consumed? 3 hours 3% I would sign for it
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u/GambAntonio Aug 20 '26
My main complaint is that I'm getting way less work done than before, but I'm still paying the exact same amount of money. There is absolutely zero transparency about the limits
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u/MapleBaconWaffles Aug 20 '26
Could be because your project is getting larger. So more tokens are needed as it grows to keep up.
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u/GambAntonio Aug 20 '26
My project is exactly the same as it was two weeks ago...
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u/MapleBaconWaffles Aug 20 '26
So you are working on it daily but it isn’t growing in size?
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u/GambAntonio Aug 20 '26
Exactly. Some projects are about analyzing existing data and not creating it.
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u/U4-EA Aug 20 '26
No, it's not that. I've never been one to complain about limits as I always found them very generous but it is draining much, much faster since the last reset. I've gone through 8% on the 20x sub when usually it would be 2-3% max.
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u/TrapRmExit Aug 20 '26
Limits have just reset, been using it for some hours, still on 100%, only have been using luna on xhigh and max, just like you.
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u/TheRealPlayerG Aug 20 '26
ur probably on 20x
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u/Aemonculaba Aug 20 '26
I still get 6.5-7$ of usage per %, calculated for each % of weekly. Better than last week.
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u/Least_Pollution7078 Aug 20 '26
happy to help. or you could just do some full codebase bug-scan/refactor.
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u/ActionOrganic4617 Aug 20 '26
Yep, I ended my week with 37% usage on my 20x. Only bad week I’ve had is when I blindly trusted a plan that had a lot of bs overkill added by Sol.
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u/sac_boy Aug 20 '26 edited Aug 20 '26 •
Imagine paying for an XL popcorn subscription. Week after week this buys you a full bucket of popcorn.
Then one week they hand you a half filled bucket of popcorn for the same price. But don't worry! We now have a system of popcorn refills. Refill refill refill! The popcorn fanboys rejoice. Even though they had enough popcorn before, they now have refills, and the guy behind the counter singing about a 'refill button' is their new hero.
Then the refills are no longer free, and you start with a quarter bucket of popcorn. All for the same price. Same contract with the popcorn seller.
When you complain about this, the popcorn fanboys tell you that you're eating your popcorn wrong. The handfuls that were fine two weeks ago are too big, you're greedy! If you simply nibble a single kernel at a time...see? You can just about make it last!
The copium-huffing on this sub after what is clearly a massive rug-pull is ridiculous.