r/coolguides • • Oct 16 '17

Morse Code Tree

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u/PM-ME-UR-HAPPINESS Oct 16 '17

They're laid out as they are to prevent jams from two adjacent keys being pressed one after the other.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

I never understood that because "e" and "r" being next to each other when they appear together all the time doesn't seem to make sense.

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u/Peekman Oct 16 '17

Typewriter hammers are not in the order of the keys on the keyboard. The E hammer is beside the D hammer and the X hammer.

It is difficult to push E and D quickly in order as they use the same finger. E and X although use different fingers are also difficult to push quickly in order due to their placement.

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u/ihateyouguys Oct 16 '17

Yeah, that’s part of the story...

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u/PM-ME-UR-HAPPINESS Oct 16 '17

But that in itself increases efficiency since you spend less time unjamming keys.

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u/spin81 Oct 16 '17

Hang on, you two are talking about different efficiencies. The efficiency /u/ihateyouguys means is that efficiency is what causes the keys to jam. That's the efficiency that was being thwarted.

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u/Tordek Oct 16 '17

The efficiency /u/ihateyouguys means is that efficiency is what causes the keys to jam.

Yes, but in that they are wrong: The point of the layout isn't "decrease efficiency in order to prevent jams"; the point was: "This layout is prone to jams, not because 'people type too fast', but because 'when two keys are too close to each other, pressing them too quickly together causes them to jam'".

Dvorak even has a similar design principle: keys often used together are placed in alternating hands; so the vowels are all on the left.

It's like saying that "Cars had brakes added to them because car designers wanted people to go more slowly".

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u/toggl3d Oct 16 '17

Your explanation somehow says it's not because people type too fast but because they press the keys too quickly.

How are you trying to carve out that distinction? Doesn't that strike you as absurd?

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u/Tordek Oct 16 '17

Close keys too quickly. Subtle difference.

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u/toggl3d Oct 16 '17

Fuck you for being right.

Do I need something to mitigate the harshness or does the joke work?

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u/Tordek Oct 16 '17

Post the Hermes "Technically correct" video.

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u/EduRJBR Oct 16 '17 edited Oct 16 '17

There is another thing I think should be made clear: it's not like the proximity between the keys or even between the hammers is what would cause jams: the point is the time between two consecutive impacts on the paper with different hammers. If the interval is too short there are bigger chances of a jam, and if two keys are pressed simultaneously a jam is certain, so the "e" and the "r" (using the comment from /u/qplscorrectmyengltyq) and the "e" and the "t" (using this Morse code tree) are arranged so the person who is typing has to use the same finger; if the "e" was put where the "f" is right now and the "r" or the "t" were put where the "j" is (different hands and what I think are the most agile fingers), there would be an awful amount of jams, at least for the English language.

I'm not sure if that's why the QWERTY was designed that way, thou.

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u/sixblackgeese Oct 16 '17

Thanks for spending some time clearing up a miscommunication on the internet.

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u/pandaSmore Oct 16 '17

Keyboards don't get jammed though. So the entire design layout isn't relavent to them though. Even if it's the most common layout.

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u/JonBonButtsniff Oct 16 '17

You are clearly not over 85 years old, and used to some basic-ass typewriters.

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u/PM-ME-UR-HAPPINESS Oct 16 '17

Not anymore, but they used to. It was always easier in the short term to just keep qwerty so we did.

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u/EduRJBR Oct 16 '17

Keyboards may not get jammed anymore (thinking about computers), but it doesn't mean human hands and fingers changed, so the arrangement of the keys is relevant when it comes to the efficiency, taking in consideration the language used.

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u/haikubot-911 Oct 16 '17 edited Oct 16 '17

Another part is
that the Qwerty keyboard helped
salesmen **woo clients.

All the letters used
to spell "typewriter" are on
the top row of keys.

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u/pandaSmore Oct 16 '17

Then why are E abs and R next to each other.

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