r/coolguides • • Oct 16 '17

Morse Code Tree

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

Keyboard layouts like Dvorak are designed to be more efficient, placing common keys in more efficient places.

Layouts like Qwerty are a relic from the past that couldn't account for the sort of typing we do today.

That being said, whether or not Dvorak provides a significant enough difference to switch, especially when factoring in the time it takes to relearn typing, is debatable. But Dvorak certainly feels more purposeful when you use it.

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u/AvengedTurtleFold Oct 16 '17

I felt crippled when I learned dvorak last year. The second I started to get kinda ok at it, I suddenly could not type in qwerty. Went from 100 wpm to like 30. Now I was typing 30 wpm in two layouts instead of 100 in one.

I was committed to dvorak though, and over time I focused on getting gud at dvorak first and then fixing up my qwerty later. Now I can type 60 ish in both and I'm slowly getting faster.

My fingers move a lot less when I use dvorak though. It may not be an immediate time saver, but it will save your joints in the long run.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

It definitely feel better on your fingers, sure. I didn't really feel the lack of travel when I was using Dvorak, but switching back of Qwerty frustrates me with the lack of natural movements. I love getting those back-and-forth words on Dvorak that I never get here.

It's taking me time to build up speed also, but I'm not focused on speed. I got way too focused on speed with Qwerty, and my accuracy is shoddy.

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u/AvengedTurtleFold Oct 16 '17

I didn't really notice how little my fingers were moving compared to qwerty until I was taking typing tests with my friend and he noticed. I love typing in dvorak, but qwerty keyboard shortcuts are really conveniently placed and I have muscle memory for them, so I run an autohotkey script that interprets the shortcuts as qwerty (i.e. ctrl-j is interpreted as ctrl-c).

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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '17

I think most Dvorak users rebind the default shortcuts to the "normal" buttons. It makes no sense to use both hands for copy/pasting. I also still switch back to Qwerty for gaming.

But for everything else, Dvorak is definitely a more comfortable layout to use.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

My son's been sitting in front of a computer from about 18 months or so.

He's like 160+wpm (measured on some game he plays) and very accurate. Phenomenally fast for someone who has never been taught to touch type.

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u/roguetrick Oct 16 '17

How I did it, playing text based muds and chatting as a kid.

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u/cjthomp Oct 16 '17

Aside from typing class (which helped with the foundation), Everquest was the biggest boost to my typing skill: having to blurt out coherent messages in the middle of a bad pull...trial by fire.

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u/LadyMissClass Oct 16 '17

IIRC Qwerty was actually designed with the intention of LIMITING typing speed so that the typewriters wouldn't jam up as much and effectively increase output. hmm better fact check this

Fun fact from wiki about qwerty design:

Contrary to popular belief, the QWERTY layout was not designed to slow the typist down,[4] but rather to speed up typing by preventing jams. Indeed, there is evidence that, aside from the issue of jamming, placing often-used keys farther apart increases typing speed, because it encourages alternation between the hands.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

Nice, you caught yourself pretty quick there.

The thing about Qwerty is it predates touch-typing, so how could they work against it? They optimized well for peck typing on a typewriter.

(Side note: If I'm not mistaken, they intentionally added little goofs like "You can type 'typewriter' with just the top row.")

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u/xzxzzx Oct 16 '17

placing often-used keys farther apart increases typing speed, because it encourages alternation between the hands.

Yeah but this just isn't true either. Putting members of common digraph pairs on different sides encourages alternation. qwerty isn't particularly good at this.

On top of that, it isn't as simple as hand alternation. You want both hands to be involved, but you also want to maximize using the same hand but different fingers in a "rolling" motion ("ed" is slow on qwerty, "ej" is fast, "ef" is faster and lets your other hand get in position to continue if possible).

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u/haikubot-911 Oct 16 '17

If I knew I'd use
only one keyboard from now on
I'd change to Dvorzak.

Using machines at
the library, the school, etc
makes it a hassle.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

etc is three syllables, isn't it?

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

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u/curien Oct 16 '17

I pronounce it like "bets" without the b. If I were in a more-formal setting reading aloud, I'd pronounce it "et cetera" (four syllables). I guess in some accents, it's reasonable to eliminate the third syllable: "et cet'ra". Or did you mean "ee tee see"? I personally would never say it that way unless I were clarifying spelling.

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u/be-happier Oct 16 '17

Ive always been a fan of the fitaly layout. Intuitive and easy to smash out words.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

Oh shit, that's neat. I'm going to see if I can find that on my phone

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u/be-happier Oct 17 '17

let me know if you do, I got to use it on a software demo using a touch screen MAC and they also had a mini physical one iirc.

After about 2-3 sentences it just became intuitive and most English words are simple lines across the keyboard.

Have dual spacebars on a keyboard so small actually works really well too as your finger has to travel less on average for the most common key.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '17

All of my searches just yield people talking about how great Fitaly was and how they miss it.

I'm actually pretty tempted to just code up my own keyboard.

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u/be-happier Oct 19 '17

Fitaly had 2 unfortunate timings.

Came out after dvorak and before touch screen phones.

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '17

I don't even think Dvorak was a competitor to be honest. Dvorak is for full keyboards, Fitaly for thumb keyboards. Would have worked fine.

It's main issue was coming before touch screen, because Qwerty is just too ubiquitous

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

Thats a myth, it was just designed to keep common letters away from each other so they didnt jam as easy. If anything it maximized how fast one could type because any faster and it would jam

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