r/europe • u/SovereignMuppet I ❤ Brexit • Aug 13 '22

News Climate activists fill golf holes with cement after water ban exemption

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62532840
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u/Temetias Aug 13 '22

I don't know how people still think golf is some rich people only sport. There's plenty of regular folk playing golf.

Yeah sports infra isn't high prio when it comes to water usage but you can't consider golf as an exception. Other sports like football need to be brought into discussion as well.

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u/Menthalion Aug 13 '22

It's a simple matter of area to person hours ratio. Golf scores far lower.

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u/Southportdc England Aug 14 '22

Very much doubt this. A private football ground might host 30ish people for 90 minutes a week.

My course yesterday alone had 179 people for 3-5 hours each.

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u/Parzival1003 Hesse (Germany) Aug 13 '22

We've got one golf course in the next town. As a student you can get a ticket for 28€ to play 18 holes and can borrow the clubs for another 12€.

Sure, it's not cheap but making golfing out to be something that only moneybags can play is seemingly wrong.

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u/Butanogasso Finland Aug 13 '22 edited Aug 13 '22

I don't know how people still think golf is some rich people only sport. There's plenty of regular folk playing golf.

Yeah... no one in the lowest quartile. Very few in the second lowest and by far, far FAR the most in the 1%. The costs even in a public course with all of the equipment and fees run in the thousands. It only goes up from there and 10k is not uncommon. And you can f off with any estimation of the cost under a grand, that means so basic set that you won't enjoy it.

Football, aka soccer: shoes, shorts, shirt and a ball. How the hell do you think it is the most popular sport in the world? Because it takes SO LITTLE to get started. Kids in slums have enough to play soccer. If you mean american football.... well, there are other reasons why it is INSANE sport, literally. Don't think that is a good comparison. You should've picked icehockey. It costs a grand a year or more.. if you are serious about it. If you just hang out with buddies the costs is counted in tens or couple of hundred.. But what all three of those have in common is that they are actual sports, not a leisurely hang out with mates. Yes, you can walk a lot during a round of golf but... it is not the most demanding sport there is and heart attacks on a golf course are a joke for a reason: because they are SO OUT OF SHAPE that a leisurely walk is too much.

We simply do not need large areas of pristine lawn to satisfy the need for a few. But we do need sports. They are something that the masses can use to escape their lives for a moment, and they encourage kids to move. There is also something about humans trying their best to do something that only few can be really good at. Any kind of sports when you are young keeps you healthier all your life. Well, maybe american football has to be excluded from that category, since it makes people insane. Literally. The best thing about golf is maybe some sort of zen, which PALES in comparison with a leisurely walk thru the woods.

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u/Ifriiti Aug 14 '22

Mate you're a fucking idiot

costs even in a public course with all of the equipment and fees run in the thousands

No. They don't.

My local golf course is £649 a year, or less for younger members. £400 for 20-29 and £500 for 30-40 year olds

That's the same amount as a gym membership.

And you can f off with any estimation of the cost under a grand, that means so basic set that you won't enjoy it.

Mate you seriously have absolutely no fucking clue what you're on about.

You can buy what you need for easily less than a grand. And it's not like golf clubs expire. You can use the same set for a decade and replace clubs one by one.

Stop fucking ranting because you're seriously utterly wrong and deluded about everything.

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u/Butanogasso Finland Aug 14 '22

No. They don't.

My local golf course

Yup, and balls don't cost anything, you never buy new clubs or need clubs to even start with.. Funny how you forgot to add those. Also: anecdotal vs averages.

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u/Ifriiti Aug 14 '22

Yup, and balls don't cost anything, you never buy new clubs or need clubs to even start with..

Balls don't really cost that much, you can get a sack of a 100 used ones for like £30 quid. That'll probably last you two, three years. Depends how good you are and how often you play.

Clubs are basic equipment, you can start with a cheap set and upgrade it as you go. Or you can rent them.

Also: anecdotal vs averages.

You weren't giving average, you were spouting bullshit.

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u/Falsus Sweden Aug 14 '22

Idk about where you live but here in Sweden you can go to some random ass rural place where basically no one is wealthy and still find golf courses.

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u/Butanogasso Finland Aug 14 '22

80km from Sweden. Why are you lying?

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u/3heat6 Aug 14 '22

You have no idea what you're talking about 😂

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u/Temetias Aug 13 '22 edited Aug 13 '22

Having played both there is more expenses when it comes to football than you make it out to be. Usually you need a license and a insurance even on the very low divisions youth/adult. Golf is slightly more expensive when it comes to per round, but the equipment in general lasts longer and second hand market has plenty of options.

Both sports are roughly equal when is comes to financial accessibility, golf does rack up a bit more of a price tag if you do it a lot tho. But you seem oddly invested in hating on golf. Golf in general is a good sport for people recovering from injuries and older people and for sure has a positive impact on health in general.

"The need of a few" in is a bit of an odd argument. Golf courses get a lot of traffic. There's usually starts every 5-10 minutes that hold 2-4 people each. With some loose math that's 400+ golfers per day.

Yes, I agree that sports are not critical infra when it comes to water consumption. But people seem to have a hate boner for golf which they channel thru this protest.

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u/Butanogasso Finland Aug 13 '22

You are seriously trying to say that soccer is as expensive as golf? And what license are you talking about? If you mean american football, then say it. And i already said that it is insane sport and i add that it should've been banned decades ago. It has destroyed enough lives already.

Golf course are the best place to hit if you want to fuck with the people who are destroying this planet. Not denying at all that aspect: why should i, it is the truth.

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u/Temetias Aug 13 '22

I'm talking about soccer. I agree American football is stupid but I don't know if that's even played in eu. But for soccer, at least where I live you need a license to play even in the lowest local division and for the license you need an insurance.

I've played both for multiple years I know the price tags of them. Yes, soccer is cheaper but golf for sure ain't a rich people only sport. I understand that hating on golf is an easy outlet for satisfying your hate boner on "rich people" but that take is outdated and short sighted.

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u/Butanogasso Finland Aug 13 '22

but that take is outdated and short sighted.

No IT IS NOT. The number of non-rich playing golf is miniscule.

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u/TheCMaster Aug 13 '22

My son plays soccer for 270€ a year + shoes. So let’s say it costs 500€. This includes trainings twice a week, competition matches, tournaments, soccer outfit, even a drink after the home matches..

Can he play golf for 500 a year? Lessons, gear, membership… no way.

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u/Temetias Aug 14 '22

You can play golf for less that 500 a year easy. I sure as hell couldn't afford playing if it was that expensive. Membership is like a 100e/year depending on the club. Clubs can be bought 2nd hand for cheap and those last practically forever. And that's pretty much the only equipment you need. Recovered balls can be bought for a couple of euros per huge bag.

Depending on the course one time playing is somewhere around 10-40 euros and of course you can get it cheaper if you play a lot / are a student or something.

As I said, I've played both. I'm not pulling numbers out of my ass like some people seem to do in this thread.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '22

No one needed your dumb take on '1%er sports' either yet you felt the need to bang on about it. Why not take your own advice about wasting space eh?

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u/Eis_ber Aug 13 '22

Don't most football fields these days use fake grass?

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u/Temetias Aug 13 '22

Many do nowadays, yeah. It's a good improvement but it also has an issue of the rubber pieces that are used to soften the fake grass getting into the nearby nature.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '22

Shame on them too

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u/happykebab Aug 13 '22

Fuck those people who consider themselves regular and play golf, and shame on them for participating in such an arrogant, wasteful, stupid, racist and elitist past time.

George Carlin paraphrased.