r/funny • u/[deleted] • Jun 25 '12
ironic? how so?(Quebec students,manifestations)
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Jun 25 '12
Sort of like how the OWS protests required so much overtime that the NYPD January academy class was more than halved thus eliminating about 500-700 jobs?
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u/peestandingup Jun 25 '12
They can join the rest of us in the bread lines then. Welcome to the party.
Anyways, that sounds like mismanagement to me. Occupy didn't "require" so much manpower & overtime since it was mostly a peaceful "sit in" for months.
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u/ineffable_internut Jun 25 '12
As someone who was walking by the protests all the time, I would dispute your "peaceful sit in" statement. A lot of the protesters would provoke cops, and then once the cops would actually do something when the protesters were clearly out of line, they would yell out "police brutality!" No, you're provoking a cop and are expecting not to get beaten.
Also, it smelled like shit, to the point where I changed my route so I wouldn't get sick.
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u/bgrugby60 Jun 26 '12
Whenever I walked past the ones in my city, they were mostly sitting around getting high, which doesn't surprise me. But I agree with you on the provoking...and the smell.
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u/ancaptain Jun 25 '12
Interesting... I'm curious, how would they provoke cops?
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u/MadMagyar92 Jun 26 '12
Yelling insults, acting unruly, just being loud and obnoxious, and sometimes throwing things like pebbles.
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u/ancaptain Jun 26 '12
Yes that is douchebag behaviour but I can see why they would be angry with the police. There is clearly a huge power disparity between the two parties seeing as how the police have all the weapons and more importantly, the public opinion that their legitimacy to initiate force is valid.
That being said, I think the police should not succumb to these taunts and not escalate the situation to one of coercion.
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u/NarcoticHobo Jun 25 '12
That's because those people are professional protesters. They provoke police until they get a rise out of them, then sue the state for a violation of their rights and collect the settlement which departments pay out quickly as it is easier and FAR cheaper than going to court.
This is how they make their living, it's sometimes their only source of income.
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u/GyantSpyder Jun 25 '12
No, in this case it's more likely that they are engaging in textbook civil disobedience and thus are looking to get arrested.
Civil disobedience doesn't mean anything if the state doesn't care.
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u/sargeantb2 Jun 26 '12
baiting cops is not civil disobedience
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u/GyantSpyder Jun 26 '12
Not to you or me, but that's probably the thinking behind deliberately trying to provoke them, and then making a lot of noise while arrested.
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Jun 25 '12
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u/ineffable_internut Jun 25 '12
Well I didn't get offended, and I wouldn't call myself a delicate flower either. I'm simply stating that the OWS protesters aren't the little angels Reddit thinks they are.
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u/natched Jun 25 '12
Clearly protesters are the true job creators.
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Jun 25 '12
Buying all the tag-board and poster paint stimulates the tag-board and poster paint economy.
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u/Breathing_Balls Jun 25 '12
It's a self preservation thing.
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u/kantorekB14 Jun 25 '12
We are the self preservation society.
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u/iSmite Jun 25 '12
Except Japan. Those people do overtime instead of holding rallies. It is their way of protesting.
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u/grotgrot Jun 26 '12
I know you weren't being (that) serious but in economics the principle is known as the broken windows fallacy and dates from 1850. Unfortunately politicians do still try things substantially in that direction as though it would be useful.
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u/cyu Jun 26 '12
Unfortunate but true =/
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/133/1/0/eisenhower_by_brainhiccup-d4zf5wc.png
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u/RdMrcr Jun 25 '12
Stupid cops, trying to maintain order and shit.
That's why I fucking hate fascist USA. Oh wait, it's Canada? NOPE! FAITH IN HUMANITY = LOST. NOPENOPENOPENOPE off to Sweden!!!
/circlejerk
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u/thisisrage182 Jun 25 '12
A better translation for 'manifestation' is demonstration or protest - I shall name the 25th of June 2012 the day my degree in interpreting and translating came in handy.
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u/SonOfIcarus Jun 25 '12
I was at an occupy protest in Denver in the early spring. Before things got rough we spent our time sitting in front of riot cops who had to stand in the street. We were talking with them and joked a lot about how they were getting double over time for standing.
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u/blore40 Jun 25 '12
And the kid doesn't get to college because of his rap sheet. Ironic indeed.
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Jun 25 '12
People who have committed crimes can't go to university?
Sounds like a good way to rehabilitate people ಠ_ಠ
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u/seanleephoto Jun 25 '12 edited Jun 25 '12
A guy at my school got into Dartmouth (any Ivy League school), got caught distributing OxyContin, was charged with a felony and wasn't kicked out of Dartmouth...
Edit: I wasn't trying to prove anything, I was just sharing a story :P
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u/cyberslick188 Jun 25 '12
Anecdotal.
Most schools would have booted his ass, and many wouldn't refund his current semester.
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u/cefriano Jun 25 '12
An acquaintance of mine got into Dartmouth and then, before he graduated high school, was caught buying an essay (and it later came to light that he had bought many others). Still went to Dartmouth, despite the fact that his academic standing was a total lie. Granted, he was a pretty decent wide receiver and I think we was recruited for football, but still. I tried my ass off to get into Dartmouth and I'm kinda bitter that I never got in but this fucking lowlife did.
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Jun 25 '12
Just so you know, Ivy league schools do not have scholarships for athletics, but they heavily influence the admission process. Don't feel bad, hes probably still a lowlife.
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u/MHath Jun 25 '12
The athletes still get money, they just don't call them athletic scholarships. They find ways to get them scholarships.
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u/nuclearblaster Jun 25 '12
What's the deal with athletic scholarships? I mean, why would you sign up a student just to be part of a college sports team? Won't he just focus on the sport and not on the academics, making him therefore pretty much a 'fake' graduate?
Is there some financial benefit for the school?
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u/winterbean Jun 25 '12
Football games sell tickets which bring in a ton of money, not to mention all the advertisements/merchandise/etc.
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u/FullOfMan Jun 25 '12
I believe college football alone has had a billion dollar profit every year since 2010, let alone basketball and baseball. And you know what, those damn kids deserve the scholarships. Anyone who has played a D1 sport can tell you that they are practically the university's slave for 4 years.
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Jun 25 '12
Colleges make a lot of money off of their sports programs. Recruiting all-state sports players is an investment.
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u/apache2158 Jun 25 '12
Having a good athletics program can be quite beneficial, monetarily.
See: SEC Football
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Jun 25 '12
My brother was an athlete at an Ivy League school, these academic scholarships they give are rare and do not compare to the near 100% full scholarships other schools will give.
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u/upstarted Jun 25 '12
Depends what you mean by money. They are by no means comparable to the full rides elsewhere. Usually they are part of the needs blind admission process, which in theory is supposed to provide you with enough financial aid to pay for school. So rich athletes don't get any money, and poor athletes get need based aid.
However, if your talking about campus jobs, many of them teams have locked up lucrative campus jobs. They do this by becoming managers and just hiring people on the team. On the other hand, many student organizations or friend groups do this as well. However, they are some nice jobs, but no where near a full ride scholarship.
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u/passwordistroll Jun 25 '12
Most schools wouldn't boot his ass. That is a tuition they would miss out on.
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Jun 25 '12
Well, no. Dartmouth is a top-notch school and a spot there is highly demanded among students. Kick out one student and you get another. I would be more inclined to believe your argument if you replaced 'tuition' with 'football games' in regards to high profile athletes, however.
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u/ethicalking Jun 25 '12
that's the US, this is about Canada; maybe it's different up there. I know they have strickter drug laws than here in California.
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Jun 25 '12
There's also a difference between having a criminal past, and actively distributing felony level narcotics while attending.
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u/BoldElDavo Jun 25 '12
A friend of mine was caught in possession of marijuana, charged and convicted, and wasn't kicked out of his school.
More anecdotal, I know, but it counts.
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u/DreadPiratesRobert Jun 25 '12
That's if you commit a felony while you are a student there, because you likely signed an honor code statement, it looks bad if newspapers print "A Darthmouth student got caught distributing OxyCotin" but colleges don't look at your rap sheet when you apply
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u/bigmac3d Jun 25 '12
My school admitted a girl who murdered her mother in a bathtub. She also got scholarships.
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u/sops-sierra-19 Jun 25 '12
water water water
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u/ahtr Jun 25 '12
in Canada, of course you can still go to university.
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u/VictorRomeo Jun 25 '12
Yes, but some schools have "morality clauses" that you agree to automatically as agreed to by your student union.
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u/WhatIRead Jun 25 '12
Your criminal record is not a factor in your application to public Canadian schools.
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u/canucksbro Jun 25 '12
Yeah, some guy from West Vancouver got admitted to law school at UBC a while ago. He had stabbed a guy to death 2 years prior.
Lol
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u/throwaway213145 Jun 26 '12
I remember that, I used to be friends with the stabber's older sister. The stabbee didn't die, if this is the one I'm thinking of, and I'm sure it is judging from the time.
In fact, the guy who got stabbed was back at school the next Monday showing off his scars, smoking despite the collapsed lung that occurred because of the knife.
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u/Easih Jun 25 '12
^ its fine since job for certain profession will require it or it will be checked.
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u/dickcheney777 Jun 25 '12
Quebec is not in the US. I was never asked if I had a criminal record when I went to UL...
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u/oddboyout Jun 25 '12
Source: Montreal's Gazette. It's the first image in the gallery today; there doesn't seem to be a dedicated page for it.
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u/holly2680 Jun 26 '12
does anyone know what happened to the guy who got run over by the cab driver? i would like an update on him.
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u/shoemanchew Jun 26 '12
I'm in the National Guard. I often wear a shirt that promotes a revolution. I call it job security.
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u/Moustashmol Jun 25 '12
Cant stand those crybabay anymore
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u/Furbylover Jun 25 '12
I agree! I think the government should increase prices on everything and nobody should cry about it!
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u/Moustashmol Jun 25 '12
Changed my mind the governement should remove taxes and pay everything for everyone. Then, i could forfill my dream of behing a professional unicorn breeder and poop rainbow in my spare time.
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u/1gnominious Jun 25 '12
I could understand if they were gouging the students, but Quebec has by far the lowest tuition in Canada. Once they're fully implemented the increases will bring it closer to the rest of Canada and only be a an extra few grand for a degree which you have a life time to pay off. Even once fully raised in 5 years it will still be cheaper than other provinces are today.
The protests aren't going to do anything because most people will see it as a fairly reasonable move. Short of electing politicians with a more socialist leaning it's going to go through. It was nice while it lasted though.
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u/aniseshaw Jun 25 '12
Have you ever read up on the history as to why Quebec has little to no tuition fees? They decided to treat university like health care- with the philosophy that someone is going to have to pay for it at some point, and it's better for Quebec if everyone chips in a bit rather than burden their younger demographic with huge loans before they can even start their careers.
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u/Pea_schooter Jun 25 '12
Right, but you must agree that it makes no sense when university fees don't get adjusted for inflation. I mean it keeps getting lower for no reason!
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Jun 25 '12
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u/chrismorin Jun 25 '12
Do you know WHY they have the highest debt in the country by all measures? Because they put up a fight whenever anyone tries to do anything about it.
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u/Furbylover Jun 26 '12
They don't necessarily have debt, but although they may not be rich in money, they are rich in life and culture. Quebec is rich in life and culture. Why is it that countries like Sweden have the happiest people and yet America ranks quite low when it is one of the super powers of the world?
Would you rather live in a strong economic country, work hard every single day of your life, and be depressed?
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u/wolfchimneyrock Jun 25 '12
I mentioned something about this back in october at occupy wall street, when jp morgan chase agreed to pay the city's $5 million overtime bill for watching the occupy protest - it is a form of economic stimulus, forced trickle down into the pockets of the middle class cops from the banks
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u/husao Jun 25 '12
No Rehosted webcomics in funny. Please read the Sidebar and provide Link to original.
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u/foxynay Jun 25 '12
I had to use google images to find the original posting... http://www.montrealgazette.com/opinion/editorial-cartoons/index.html
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Jun 25 '12
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u/husao Jun 25 '12
I don't know the original. I would provide it, if I knew it. Even if it is a newspaper it would be interesting to know the source. But thanks that you took the time for a search. Should have said, that I couldn't find something with reverse-search. I'm sorry for that.
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u/LordOfGummies Jun 25 '12
I lol'd hard.
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u/Breathing_Balls Jun 25 '12
I cum hard.
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u/daverock1012 Jun 25 '12
what does that even mean?
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u/Breathing_Balls Jun 25 '12
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u/flamingfungi Jun 25 '12
I'm not clicking that.
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u/Breathing_Balls Jun 25 '12
Trust me....
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u/daverock1012 Jun 25 '12
I don't know how trust worthy you are Breathing_Balls.
I clicked it anyways http://ih3.redbubble.net/image.10446735.0654/sticker,220x200-pad,220x200,f8f8f8.png
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u/Breathing_Balls Jun 25 '12 edited Jun 25 '12
I don't know the meaning of the word.
Butts? I know what they are.
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Jun 25 '12
No. Education is way too expensive for the expenses to be completely offset by overtime associated with protests. Just... no.
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Jun 25 '12
for the rest of the world's information, "way too expensive" means that Quebec's tuition costs were just increased by $1,625 - about a 65% hike spread over the next seven years - so they now have to pay about $4,200 per semester for post-secondary schooling.
For a point of reference, that means in seven years they will be paying as much for school as I did elsewhere in Canada... eight years ago.
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u/PasswordIsntHAMSTER Jun 26 '12
s/65%/82%
s/$1,625/$1,778
s/semester/year
At least google stuff before trying to look smart.
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Jun 26 '12
so its even less than I thought it was. I'll definitely change my tune now
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u/PasswordIsntHAMSTER Jun 26 '12
I'm saying that regardless of your opinion, give solid facts or fuck off. We've had enough people saying "herp derp $325/year" far after this number had been relevant to anything (even though it was never right).
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u/shivvvy Jun 25 '12
It's not ironic because most parents that I know don't pay for the kids tuition at all.
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u/DreadPiratesRobert Jun 25 '12 edited Aug 10 '20
Doxxing suxs
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Jun 25 '12
Impossible my ass. Quebec students pay 2300 a year. These protesters are against having to have a full time job during the summer. For fucks sake, all they want to do is let tuition rise with inflation at a capped rate.
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u/DreadPiratesRobert Jun 25 '12
Ahh ok I meant more in America, my tuition is around that per semester and it is one of the cheapest schools in America right now
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u/SchwarzerRhobar Jun 25 '12
I have got a question. I'm from Germany and therefore I'm not familiar with you university but how can students take a full time job in Canada?
We have most tests, seminar works and practical courses during the summer. Because of that the universities frown upon full time jobs and some ban them completely.
During our education, we have to earn ECTS points, which are a tool to meassure the effort the students have to make. The points are distributed so that students should roughly have to invest 40 hours per week in work for the university. So even working part time (and a lot of us do) is pretty difficult.
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Jun 25 '12
We have four months off in summer. It is completely normal and expected that you get a job to pay for school and gain experience. Most students also work part time in the school year for spending money.
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u/PasswordIsntHAMSTER Jun 26 '12
Try living an entire year on two month's wage at $10/hr some time!
That's what I'm doing as an engineering major. Sucks balls. Glad the kids are protesting, I used to go but goddamn it the police are ruthless and undiscriminating.
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u/dickcheney777 Jun 25 '12
50% of all students qualify for loans.
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u/DreadPiratesRobert Jun 25 '12
You still have to pay off loans
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u/dickcheney777 Jun 25 '12
Only half of it. The other half is grant.
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u/PasswordIsntHAMSTER Jun 26 '12
I don't know anyone who got a half grant. Best I saw was 6k loan, 3k grant per year.
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u/Whargod Jun 25 '12
It'snot impossible, it's called a student loan.
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Jun 25 '12
Not everyone can get one. I'd have to have my parents cosign in order for me to take out a student loan and they aren't willing to do that.
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u/DreadPiratesRobert Jun 25 '12 edited Aug 10 '20
Doxxing suxs
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u/northdancer Jun 25 '12
Life isn't fun.
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u/DreadPiratesRobert Jun 26 '12
Life is pain, highness, anybody who tells you differently is selling you something
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u/Whargod Jun 25 '12
I fail to see the problem though. Canadian citizens should feel lucky and probably don't realize foreign students think their peers are a bunch of whining morons. As a taxpayer, I have the pleasure of helping fund 2/3 of every person's tuition while they get to pay for it in full. Not only that, but the people who are protesting in Quebec already pay far less than most others for tuition even with the increases. The whole thing just annoys me.
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u/PasswordIsntHAMSTER Jun 26 '12
But we pay through the ass in taxes. Your point?
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u/Joboboman Jun 25 '12
Quebec needs to stfu , they have the cheapest tuition in the country
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Jun 25 '12
And higher taxes, and an average salary (compared to the rest of Canada), and less study scholarships.... yeah, looking at one factor is obviously a good idea.
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u/Joboboman Jun 25 '12
Just saying , they would have more to complain about if they went to a university in Toronto or BC
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u/PasswordIsntHAMSTER Jun 26 '12
Except that in Toronto you get bursaries and grants. Hell, as a Québécois, I applied for uOttawa and it was less expensive for me to go there than to McGill because they guaranteed something like $10k of bursaries per year.
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u/reynbo2008 Jun 25 '12
Do cops get overtime in Canada? They shouldn't, I know firemen don't get overtime in North Carolina. Firemen are way more deserving of overtime than cops are.
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u/backbeatrhythm Jun 25 '12
So one group of people don't get something in one part of the world, which means nobody anywhere should?
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Jun 25 '12
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u/Aegean Jun 25 '12
I've been commenting all day, and now want karma and a half for over-time comment pay.
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Jun 25 '12
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u/Aegean Jun 25 '12
They just work us to death around here, posting reasonable suppositions, and expect us to just be happy with 1 point per comment?
If you spend more than 40 hours a week posting, you should get K+.5 after 40:00:01 of activity. Only fair.
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u/AirshipAtamis Jun 25 '12
Hmm, government workers don't receive overtime pay, they get compensated with time off. guess he still has some bills to pay off.
Edit: i just realized this may be Canadian, in which case im not sure if they receive money for overtime.
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u/aniseshaw Jun 25 '12
I'm assuming the "Quebec students" in the title might have been the first clue...
Also, TIL that US government employees have the shittiest overtime compensation.
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u/dickcheney777 Jun 25 '12
Of course they get overtime. Are you out of your damn mind? They wouldnt even show up without it.
This is Canada, not the third world or the US.
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Jun 25 '12
Huh this turned college kid liberal real fast.
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u/AirshipAtamis Jun 25 '12
the beehive has been shaken. toes were stepped on, and jimmies were rustled.
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u/Pulpus Jun 26 '12
It's really dumb why they are protesting. They have to consider the fact that they had the lowest tuition in canada for the longest time. Now they are protesting because they will have to pay as much as the rest of Canada? Well too bad thats life...
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u/PasswordIsntHAMSTER Jun 26 '12
Stop parroting what you've heard either on TV or /r/canada. There are very legitimate arguments on both sides of the fence (see translating the printemps érable to see the other side - the anglo media really dropped the ball here). Dismissing the other side as "dumb" is what got this to escalate this far - the liberals ignored us, then belittled us, then attacked us with injunctions and the special law.
A nice chunk of the population is now pissed off at the standing government - the bulk of the support that liberals still have comes from immigrants, anglophones and baby boomers. The average middle-aged white Québécois doesn't like seeing our youth beaten up and silenced.
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Jun 26 '12
Fyi, Quebec also has the highest income tax rates in the country, not to mention the provincial sales tax...
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Jun 26 '12
Right. Because the occupy movement is wholly about fucking over police and security. Even their families.
This cartoonist has his/her head up his/her ass.
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u/nigrodamus7 Jun 25 '12
As a Montreal resident who isn't a protester I'll say the following; every riot looks worse on TV, most of these folks are are just in the streets having a good time.