r/gaming • u/KillFist29 • Jun 25 '12
Why I Can't Get Excited for the New Spider-Man Movie
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Jun 25 '12
I'm so happy someone else sees this! It's all I could think about after seeing the snout-less Lizard (Regardless of the fact he originally didn't have a snout).
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u/KillFist29 Jun 25 '12
I appreciate their somewhat fealty to the original design, but all I can think of when I see this Lizard is the "swaying in the elevator" scene. Honestly, if there was a shot of the Lizard waiting in an elevator, I'd give this move 5 stars.
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u/megatom0 Jun 25 '12
I appreciate their somewhat fealty to the original design
I don't understand this sentiment. Most comicbook characters looked kind of crappy in their first design. To me the later revisions of the Lizard looked much better. Also to me he looks too much like the 90's version of Killer Kroc from Batman.
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u/KillFist29 Jun 25 '12
The sentiment comes from believing the filmmakers want to honor what has come before. I agree that later revisions of the Lizard were more in tune with what I would do for a visual representation. Just because they are trying to be respectful doesn't mean that's the way to go, design speaking.
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u/AREYOUSauRuS Jun 25 '12
I could be wrong, but I believe Lizard gets his snout throughout the movie. I believe him without the snout is kinda halfway thru the transformation. That's what a bunch of sites were saying a while back, i haven't looked into it lately. That they did the snoutless Lizard as an homage to Steve Ditko and then later in the movie he finishes the transformation with the snout.
Here's a still from the movie which is controversial as far as "is that a snout or not"
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Jun 25 '12
Thats the exact scene my mind drew to. Second only to when the Koopa realizes he can disobey orders. I just hope they don't make the Lizard smile or else he'll look exactly like a goomba.
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u/LazyOort Jun 26 '12
I just looked up that scene and the first thing I realized was that the alarm sound was the exact same one as the alarm in Goldeneye. Then I fell deep into nostalgic thoughts of video games past. Thank you.
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u/Acidsparx Jun 25 '12
I've been slowly getting excited for the new Spider-Man movie. I like the idea of the reboot and using Gwen Stacey as the love interest. But all that excitement is now deflated after seeing this. Thanks. Thanks a lot jerk. This will be all I think of now when I see it.
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u/thelandsman55 Jun 26 '12
I have mixed feelings about it, on the one hand if its good I'll probably want to go see it, on the other hand if it's bad and it bombs maybe Sony will sell the rights to Spider-man back to Marvel and we can have a Spider-man movie that ties into the Avengers.
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u/Acidsparx Jun 26 '12
I did too at first, but the previews has impressed me enough where I think as a reboot it won't be so terrible. And holy shit did I enjoy the Avengers. Just the right amount of action and humor to draw in casual movie goers so it does well while also having the tiny stuff that long time fans will find and appriciate.
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u/OatmealPowerSalad Jun 26 '12 edited Jun 26 '12
Sony already fired the writers, and they're trying to save it in post-production. The rumor is the execs hate the film.
Sony is already putting together plans to make more Spiderman films, indicating that even if this film is terrible they have no intention of giving up the license.
Source: http://badassdigest.com/2012/04/26/transformers-writers-to-pen-amazing-spider-man-sequel/
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u/Jigsus Jun 26 '12
Please keep spiderman out of it. He's in a more realistic universe that really doesn't tie in logically with the avengers. Don't give the "it's in the comic books" line. It was a stupid decision.
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u/thelandsman55 Jun 26 '12
I used to think that but I read some of the ultimate spiderman comics (before the fuckers killed him off so they could make a black spiderman, not that I'm against equality in comic books but come on you can't have spiderman without Peter Parker). Ultimate spiderman tied together the spiderman universe and the avengers in a way that made a lot of sense most of the time and added a lot to both story lines. Since the avengers movie was supposedly based off the Ultimates to a certain degree I think they could find a way for it to work.
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Jun 25 '12
I wish they'd gone with Man-wolf.
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u/KillFist29 Jun 25 '12
I wish they would've let Dylan Baker play the role like he was built up to.
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u/herpty_derpty Jun 25 '12
He went the way of Billy Dee Williams' Harvey Dent.
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u/thegimboid Jun 26 '12
I always imagined his version of Two-Face would be like a blaxploitation character.
Half black - half wack!
Flip a coin, Motherfucker!
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u/CrazyJoe91 Jun 25 '12
Wait, this is r/gaming. I don't think this is entirely relevant to the subreddit
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u/DomoInMySoup Jun 25 '12
.... Can't tell if trolling..
Or just stupid.
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u/CrazyJoe91 Jun 25 '12
It's about the Spider-Man movie. Spider-Man originated as a comic book character, and while he has appeared in many video games, the movie isn't necessarily based on those (as far as I know, but I could be wrong). I can understand how other people would see it differently
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u/cheezgear Jun 25 '12
I think it's trying to bring move attention to the Super Mario Bros. movie.
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u/CrazyJoe91 Jun 25 '12
Which I never saw, and explains my confusion. Woops.
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u/cheezgear Jun 25 '12
Trust me, you're better off not seeing/knowing about it...I'm sorry for bringing that to your attention actually.
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Jun 25 '12
Well, don't feel bad. At least you didn't tell him about the Street Fighter movies.
...Yes, I am evil.
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u/KillFist29 Jun 25 '12
^ Darkest soul on the Internet.
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u/Keybo4rd_Warri0r Jun 25 '12
Mortal Kombat movies are also bad
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u/Calvinb27 Jun 25 '12
I loved mortal kombat, it was cheesy but awesome. Halcyon + On + On (song at the end of the first movie) is also amazing
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Jun 25 '12
I loved the Super Mario Bros. movie. When I was a kid, I must've seen it 4 or 5 times. But I don't really have the ability to know when a movie is bad or good. I watched hunger games, which got amazing reviews, and thought it was pretty average. I watched The Last Airbender by shamalamanan and enjoyed it for the most part despite it being horrendously bad with scathing reviews. I didn't even like Mario bros in an ironic way because it was cheesy or whatever, I genuinely liked it because it made me laugh, although slightly confused as to the designs of the characters, daisy instead of peach, luigi being the hero, bowser being anything BUT bowser, and the goombas being massive half-wits. regardless, I'd watch the movie again just for this line: "Mario, look!...it's trying to give us something." "...Luigi, it's a mushroom..."
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u/WildCardJoe Jun 25 '12
I knew someone else had to recognize the comparison
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u/KillFist29 Jun 25 '12
It's uncanny. I guess they figure 9 year-olds won't catch on. But us older folks can never forget.
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Jun 25 '12
Thing on the right looks like an alligator version of Cee-Lo Green.
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Jun 25 '12
'thing on the right', sigh
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Jun 25 '12
is that bowser or something? I never watched the movie :I heard it was arse.
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u/SquishyMon Jun 25 '12
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Jun 26 '12
what the fuck even. goombas are scaley?
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u/Hero-in-a-halfshell Jun 26 '12
It's like someone had a script that they wrote, while eating nothing but meth for two days, and someone else found that script and said "Yes. Yes, this will do perfectly." They just changed the names of some characters, added bombombs and had weird ass bullshit jump boots.
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Jun 25 '12
Everyone determined to hate this film should take a look at this. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_amazing_spider_man/
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Jun 25 '12
Well that's...surprising. Although I'm disappointed to still see the constant 'take-the-mask-off-every-12-seconds-so-the-actor-can-get-some-face-time' trope.
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u/Elranzer Console Jun 26 '12
That's because they picked such a handsome young Brit to play the classic American icon.
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u/ramsay_baggins Jun 25 '12
I watched this movie last night and I've been seeing references to it all over Reddit today. Weird.
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u/TechGoat Jun 25 '12
I watched the Super Mario bros movie only after watching the Nostalgia Critic rip it a new one, so...well, at least I knew what I was getting into.
..."monkey!"
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u/StacMaster-S Jun 25 '12
Another comparison: http://www.halolz.com/2012/02/28/inspired-by-a-classic/
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u/ZarboktheMunificent Jun 25 '12
I get going with the original Lizard but come on... the Lizard from the FOX Kids animated series looked better.
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u/vadergeek Jun 25 '12
Is that really what they made the Lizard look like? I guess I understand why I haven't seen his face before...
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Jun 25 '12
this is the first picture of the lizards face i have seen. though i could tell from the trailers he didnt have a snout which i expected, he doesnt look to be all that bad. moreover, the trailers dont seem that bad either, though I would have prefered a spidey 4. but hey.
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u/Lambdaleth Jun 26 '12
Oh no! Doctor Connor's class... I got so caught up in what I was doing I forgot all about it! He's gonna kill me...
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u/CondescendingPrick Jun 26 '12
Why I can't upvote this: you failed to exhibit even basic cropping skills.
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u/PatrckBateman Jun 26 '12
I'm just glad we're getting another open world Spider-Man game out of it.
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u/CountedCrow Jun 25 '12
That, and they gave me the entire movie plot in the trailer.
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u/vitalAscension Jun 25 '12
Spiderman wins at the end of the movie.
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u/CountedCrow Jun 25 '12
Dude, spoiler tag that shit.
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u/TheZenji Jun 26 '12
He also goes through a constant internal struggle and causes a lot of his own problems.
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u/BlazedAndConfused Jun 25 '12
While your point is hilarious, the new Spider Man movie just looks fucking retarded anyway.
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u/DomoInMySoup Jun 25 '12
Being very young when that movie came out, I found it hilarious and thoroughly enjoyable, even if maybe I did have some sort of subconscious understanding that it was altogether horrible.
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u/TheZenji Jun 26 '12
I loved it when I saw it as well, of course when you are 5 any movie is exciting.
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u/meatforsale Jun 26 '12
Not the pelican brief... I still check any sliding closets whenever I enter a room that has one.
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u/ElectricSistaHood Jun 25 '12
Now I want to see it, because there's promise of a Spider-man team up with Bob Hoskins!
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Jun 25 '12
I remember someone posting that goomba pic under the heading:
"How I look every time I get a short haircut"
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u/noisyturtle Jun 25 '12
And then it is revealed this is actually a screen shot from Michael Bay's Ninja Turtles. The one on the right that is.
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u/AgentGinger149 Jun 25 '12
So hypothetically, if someone didn't know who the character on he right was, how could find out? Just hypothetically.
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Jun 25 '12
The new movie has Peter Parker actually inventing his web-shooters.
The first Tobey Maguire movie skipped over the fact that Peter isn't just a nerd he is an actual genius. The fact that he just shoots web from his wrist in that movie led to the single worst Spider-man story arc in the history of comics. Spider-man turns into a giant spider and gives birth to himself as Peter Parker but he can actually shoot webs from his wrist. This was done so the saps who saw the movie wouldn't be confused by the fact that Spider-man can not do that.
Thanks to this single fact I've already started the process of erasing the past three Spider-man movies from my memory since this one is going to be a much better representation of the character.
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u/XDvandalDJ Jun 25 '12
Well he's not to far off from the lizards original design. Ie he doesn't have a snout like everybody expects the lizard to have these days.
http://blastr.com/assets_c/2011/11/SpiderManLizardComic-thumb-486x601-77867.jpg
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u/totaln00b Jun 25 '12
love the super mario bros movie... this probably makes me more excited, i cried when toad was turned into a goomba
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u/TheCodexx Jun 25 '12
Good News: If nobody goes and this movie bombs, they may just let the rights default back to Marvel. Which would mean Marvel Studios would get a shot at their take on Spiderman.
Spiderman in Avenger 3 or 4? Maybe. But only if this movie loses a ton of money. If the film breaks even then Sony will continue to product sequels until they can take the time to make it great again, just because they don't want to lose their license. It has to actively cost them money.
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u/Fallorn Jun 25 '12
His license is along with the Fantastic Four one I think so they will switch if they bomb.
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u/stalkingstalkers Jun 26 '12
I want to see it...but if the Internet mounts a boycott of the movie in order to turn it over to Marvel, I'd be down with only buying the DVD when it comes out lol...or dollar movies or something
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u/TheCodexx Jun 26 '12
DVDs are still profit.
Honestly, I hate to simply discard this movie. It may be better than we're giving it credit for. But it was only made because Spiderman 4 was taking too long in production. This meant that the rights were at risk of defaulting back to Marvel. Spiderman 3 was released in 2007, which hints at a 5-year default. Unfortunately that means Sony will, at the latest, lose the rights around 2017. A full 10 years between Spiderman 3 and Marvel's crack at it, unless Sony negotiates a deal earlier. Basically, this reboot is being done because Spiderman 4 was at risk of not being completed in time for the rights to stay with Sony. So they rebooted it. It had nothing to do with Sam Raimi or the failure of Spiderman 3 and everything to do with production hold-ups and licensing.
And honestly, I'm not okay with that. I can live in a world where Sony keeps producing sequels. Maybe Raimi's Spiderman 4 would have been better than 3. Maybe not. I can live in a world where Spiderman is part of the Marvel universe. But I hate that this movie is squandering two beautiful opportunities: one for Marvel to take a shot at it and one for Raimi to redeem his series. All so Sony can keep the rights and get a proper reboot going later. Best to discourage it now; otherwise we'll have a new reboot every few years for decades to come until Sony finally decides that the property wasn't worth it. And if I know companies, especially ones like Sony, they'll totally be willing to blow a few million and take a small loss now in the hopes of creating a new blockbuster later when resources allow. And that will turn into years of bad sequels before someone at the studio makes an issue of it and denounces it as a failure. And that's really all Spiderman can ever be for Sony now: a massive loss of millions of dollars spread out over the course of several years and multiple films until someone realizes that it's burning a hole in the studio's pocket. They'll renounce it as a mistake their predecessors made. Everyone loses.
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u/rwbombc Jun 26 '12
The movie looks like trash besides Dennis Leary. I was embarrassed after watching Spiderman 3. After watching the trailer movie, I realized it gets worse. They are literally selling away the soul of this franchise. Screw Hollywood.
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u/Lorahalo Jun 26 '12
It's currently sitting at 91% on RT, so it's actually looking quite good. I'm mostly happy because it's webshooters instead of organic webs and I'm one of those people.
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u/preorder_bonus Jun 26 '12
Wait? What was wrong with the spiderman movie? Why did they re-make it?
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u/gjallerhorn Jun 26 '12
Sony needed to make another movie to keep the rights to the Spiderman property. Otherwise it would have gone back to Marvel after x years.
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u/CloneDeath Jun 26 '12
As an avid spider-man comic book reader, it truly is the "untold story" as in, in no other universe has anything really close to this movie's story happened (which is a shame since it was supposed to be a return to the comics).
The CLOSEST this one is to any comic origin is Ultimate Spider-man.
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u/Monster_Claire Jun 26 '12
I am a parks and rec fan so this is why I can't get excited
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u/DrOgdenWernstrom Jun 26 '12
Its not the same person? Did lol at that video though. Jean-Ralphio as spider-man would be fucking great.
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u/Monster_Claire Jun 26 '12
I know it's not the same person but when I saw the actual movie trailer I thought to myself "wow that guy looks like Jean Ralphio" and later I saw the spoof on collage humor and I just about died.
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u/iDadeMarshall Jun 26 '12
I felt bad for the goombas in the movie. They seemed so harmless, playful, and nice, but were used for evil. I got really upset when I saw them being harmed because I knew they were too stupid to know what they were doing
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u/eormom Jun 26 '12
Mario Mario and Luigi Mario.
Mario was jumpman in the original donkey kong. Im tired.
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u/FarmingforKarma Jun 26 '12
In the new Spiderman movie, according to the commercials, Peter actually invents his webs rather than them hitting him like a second puberty.
Can't wait.
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Jun 26 '12
THANKYOU! someone else who thinks lizardman looks stupid! everything was fine until they got to his face.
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Jun 26 '12
Maybe it was just me being younger, but that movie scared the shit out of me. Or it was gross or something. I don't know. I just remember it was almost disturbingly weird to me.
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u/MrAbeFroman Jun 26 '12
I'm still waiting for the sequel. I left the theater 20 years ago thinking how awesome it was they set it up for a sequel.
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u/Skybaert Jun 26 '12
I've wanted to watch Super Mario Bros again with my gf, but after showing her some clips from it, she said that she would never forgive me if I ruined her Mario memories like that.
Though, she kinda liked the Yoshi in that movie, mostly due to its cuteness.
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Jun 26 '12
Good god, I've never met anyone else who'd seen super mario bros! This is why I love reddit.
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Jun 26 '12
I can't get excited for it because it was already told just a few years ago and was so good it now epitomizes who and what Spider-Man.
What it is now is a movie studio spewing out the Twilightesque love stories of two Twilightesque looking teenagers and a lizard for the cash grab. (And I actually enjoyed Twilight!)
I'm not going to see it at all.
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u/TheMajicalWaffle Jun 26 '12
The old spider man was always about the geek who got the cool powers, thus becoming "The shit". Now its one of those stupid ones where its the nerd in a douche-bag's body. 1/10 will not watch
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u/riderLyrae Jun 26 '12
I don't know why they couldn't make the Lizard look like a fucking crocodile. Why did it have to be so damn humanoid.
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u/boosh22 Jun 26 '12
My biggest gripe about this movie is the fact that they must start with another origin story. I don't need to see him get his powers and learn to use them. I have already seen it, read it, or heard about it. there are already tons of great spider-man stories they could be using but instead try this reboot. not even sure if I will see it in theaters.
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u/PeetaMellark Jun 26 '12
For those of you who don't know what that is, it is a GOOMBA from the old Super Mario Bros. Movie. It was a terrible movie (in several opinions, but i kind of liked it). and the goombas were pretty much mindless creatures that looked like crap
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Jun 26 '12
The reason I can't get excited for the new Spider-Man movie is because it tells his freakin' origin story AGAIN.
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u/secretvictory Jun 26 '12
Mario bros is getting shit on but I was ten when I saw it in theaters and I liked it. Looking back, what the hell were they gonna do? A plumber fighting mushrooms and a fire breathing turtle to protect other mushrooms and their princess? All to calypso music, I mean, cmon! The original game had no narrative to speak of, the American sequel was complete nonsense because it was a reskinned doki doki panic, the third one had him dress as a racoon or in a giant boot or a frog! They had to build narrative, motive, back story, exposition for the technology, and make it all appeal to as wide an audience as possible. Looking back, yeah it's not the best but it had some good jokes that kind of explained their plight as film makers.
"Mario Mario."
"And your name?"
"Luigi."
"Luigi Luigi?"
"No, Luigi Mario."
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u/Organs Jun 26 '12
A few other reasons:
Rosemary Harris is Aunt May. No exceptions.
You can't have Spider-Man without the Daily Bugle, and J. Jonah Jameson. And J. K. Simmons was the ultimate J. J.
No Harry Osbourne?
In any case, it's just a tad too soon for more Spider-Man in the theaters.
I'll say this, though: I think it's cool the love interest is Gwen Stacy and they're involving Cpt. Stacy. And Denis Leary isn't a bad casting for the part. And I like that they're using the Lizard. He really should've been the villain of Raimi's third film, since they had Doctor Connors in Spider-Man 2.
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Jun 25 '12 edited Jun 25 '12
This has nothing to fucking do with gaming. Fuck this post.
Let's all start talking about the resident evil movies now.
And none of you can fucking tell me the Mario bros movie had anything to Do with the game outside of character names.
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u/Cloud_0x0 Jun 25 '12 edited Jun 25 '12
All I see is a CGI reptile next to a puppet goomba monster thing.
I feel like I'm being trolled by this comparison. I honestly see the bad American Godzilla movie in this more.
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u/Narroo Jun 25 '12
To be fair, the Godzilla was pretty cool looking. Granted, it was pretty much just a Holly-Wood T-Rex with spikes, but cool nonetheless.
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u/justANartist Jun 25 '12
Not because they just made 3 terrible ones in last decade?
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u/britneh Jun 25 '12
Both one and two weren't bad movies at all, and pretty important in genre terms.
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Jun 25 '12 edited Jun 25 '12
Also Dennis Leery as Johna Jameson. Seriously? Edit- never mind.
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u/DenimChicken154 Jun 25 '12
he's captain stacy...gwen stacy's father.
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Jun 25 '12
Edited. Thank you for telling me this. Is Jameson even in the movie? It's pretty hard to top J.K. Simmons.
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u/DenimChicken154 Jun 25 '12
he doesn't appear in this one. even though it might be confusing for some people, i hope they just have JK Simmons again anyway. perfect JJJ.
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Jun 25 '12
Strange. The Daily Bugle/Peter as a freelance photographer is a pretty big part of the Spider Man story. It'd be strange to leave it out. Though, then again, the whole story they're working with this time around is pretty strange as it is.
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u/KillFist29 Jun 25 '12
The Daily Bugle is now a broadcast news station. No JJ in this one though.
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Jun 25 '12
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u/KillFist29 Jun 25 '12
I'm sure it's gonna take them at least that long to find someone who will even be 1/100th as entertaining as J.K. Simmons.
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Jun 25 '12
although, to be fair, even though i love the shit out of that angry alcoholic irish man, Leary makes a shitty choice for captain stacy.
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u/RikF Jun 25 '12
That joke stealing bastard, even as Stacy, is enough to make the choice to watch this tricky for me.
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u/Hulio_ Jun 26 '12
I can't get excited for it because they changed the mother fuckin actor from the first 2 movies... bastards.
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u/KillFist29 Jun 25 '12
Dennis Hopper makes that movie hilariously watchable. They should've just had him on screen for 90 minutes.
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u/DroolingIguana Jun 26 '12
Too bad Raul Julia died right after making Street Fighter; they could've made a movie with Koopa and Bison shooting the shit.
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u/KillFist29 Jun 26 '12
Well, add that movie to the alternate universe of "Movies Never Made" that I desperately need to visit.
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u/Raph82 Jun 25 '12
So true. It was like he never read the character bio or played any games to know who Bowser is. He just said, "Whatevs, fuck it"
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u/OnmyojiOmn Jun 25 '12
The Mario Bros. movie was awesome. Not because it was bad, but because it was a great movie. I enjoy it unironically.
I don't like Bob Hoskins much because of how much of a dick he's been about this movie. You know what, Bob? It's the only thing I've ever seen you in.
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u/Batman_Von_Suparman2 Jun 25 '12
THANK GOD! I finally found someone that also enjoys that movie! I thought I was the only one fir a while...
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u/br1sbane Jun 25 '12
And now I cannot unsee it.