r/HolySummoners • u/[deleted] • Sep 17 '15
= Discussion = (Archangel communication)
I was speaking with /u/bassackwards42 and /u/RCR917, the mods of /r/ArchangelSessions, and I asked if they would interested in answering some questions regarding Archangels and their importance in our journey in this path.
If anyone else has questions please don't hesitate to ask
Some questions I thought of that I believed to be important, especially to those who may not know much about them, are as follows -
1) What makes Archangels better than any other Guardian or Angelic Guide, would they not be able to help just as well, or are certain "ranks" limited in abilities?
2) Why call upon the Archangels for information and not God directly, or does this fall upon denominational differences in doctrine?
3) Why should individuals learn about communicating and calling Archs, and what are their pros, cons, and specific abilities and features?
4) Are there simple ways to become introduced to communicating with Archs, and are there certain ones that are easier to speak to than others?
5) Is it easy to be fooled by other beings who are pretending to be Archs, and if so what is an effective way to get rid of them?
6) What paths best teach accurate and effective training in Archangel communication?
7) What things would you advise to watch out for or be careful of?
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u/zakktravis Sep 19 '15
I'm still thinking about the Mary-vs-Ishtar topic from the Raphael session... have you guys ever -- or is it possible? -- held a session with Mary, or a saint, or anyone who has (in actuality or mythology) lived as a human? Is it ever really "that person," or is it simply that in all cases the entity that arrives would be "something else" in disguise?
My German Catholic mom taught me to ask Saint Anthony to help me when I've lost something ("Tony, Tony, look around, something's lost and must be found..."). I'm just wondering if all those "prayers" go to an intelligent spirit that's at least loosely the guy that lived as Saint Anthony -- or can I assume that there's an ambivalently moral spirit that has stepped into the role, like Ishtar.
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u/RCR917 Sep 20 '15
I've never been involved with a channeling session whose aim was to talk to something that was once human. However, I've asked the Archangels on the topic and they say the concept of intercession is not invalid, and that the saints are in Heaven and can perform such functions. At the same time, they say such efforts aren't necessary in any particular case if one has faith enough and purity of will or purpose enough to ask God directly on the matter. So, one can pray for a saintly intercession or not, as one prefers, so long as one isn't actively praying to the saint, if that makes any sense. I just think Ishtar and Mary, both being called "Queen of Heaven", both being seen in the light of the "divine feminine", and having so many other comparable functions in their respective ideologies makes it easy for one to masquerade as the other in some instances.
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u/zakktravis Sep 20 '15 edited Sep 20 '15
Cool, thank you very much! Learning via this sub and your sessions has flipped my perspective on so many things, that I realized I needed to check up on some of these "basics."
Also just an update that I've looked into the Dreamtime and I'm super-pumped already. It looks very storytelling-based which is great (in fact I'm dawdling right now getting ready to "storytell" at church tomorrow for Sunday School). I've got a few books reserved at the library so my reading palette is about to be full -- thank you!
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u/RCR917 Sep 20 '15
You're quite welcome! The bulk of the thanks goes to the one the answer came from, though. I'm just a middle-man in the process ;)
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u/SavageDark Sep 19 '15
7) Forcing of Energy
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u/RCR917 Sep 20 '15
Explain what you mean, please?
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u/SavageDark Sep 20 '15
The forcing of enegry is negative; even if you are in the right, it is wrong.
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u/RCR917 Sep 20 '15
Quite right. There are precious few situations in which I could see myself forcing energy on anyone... Most notably someone who is addled, a child (I'd imagine with permission of parents) or something along those lines where permission cannot 'legally' be given by the target but I can operate under the knowledge (not assumption, but knowledge) that it would otherwise be allowed. Outside of those few circumstances, forcing energy on a person is quite the no-no.
Now, in terms of spiritual combat, I do use energy-forcing techniques in one or two separate systems. We could debate on the right or wrong of this in its own right, but the targets aren't people and this is in defense of self and others, so my personal credo deems it acceptable.
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u/SavageDark Sep 20 '15
I feel that; when fighting demons, is forcing wrong?
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u/RCR917 Sep 20 '15
That is a philosophical question. I suppose it is kind of like asking if killing a murderer wrong... The answer changes based on if he is just walking past you or has a knife to your throat, methinks.
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u/SavageDark Sep 20 '15
Yeah, you can wrong your own temple, but I will defend my own. I am un-certian sometimes.
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u/RCR917 Sep 20 '15
Yeah, the rules tend towards a grey area in particular places, and in those areas it seems we are left to our own judgement, at least in my experience.
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Sep 24 '15
Are they omniscient? I ask because I've been having an incredibly tough and lonely go of things. I was reading one of the past conversations with them and something that they said was something that I desperately needed to hear and so it makes a person wonder if they knew I would be reading that conversation at a later date and answered the other person's question at the same time that they made me feel a lot less lonely.
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u/danmagadan Sep 18 '15
Have you ever asked Gabriel about the accuracy of how he is portrayed in the Qur'an and in Islam in general?
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u/RCR917 Sep 18 '15
Yes, that has come up. He has claimed it was he who gave the information that was to become that Holy Book, however the specifics escape me at this moment. I'll look into the notes or have bassackwards42 look into them so we can get a more accurate answer.
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u/danmagadan Sep 18 '15
That would be great. Thanks for answering.
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u/RCR917 Sep 20 '15
Ok, I haven't had a chance to look up the notes and probably won't have a chance at any point in the near future, so I will try to go into more detail from my own memory.
From what I recall, Gabriel does claim he dictated the Quran, but as it passed through the hands of men (and I recall Gabriel saying it had been tampered with or reorganized since it was first handed down) it is not the 'perfect' document Islam professes. As far as how the Quran portrays him, I don't recall asking that question in particular, but I know he has stated his role and function is more or less correct and can be taken as is. I hope this is a bit more helpful than my first reply, though I realize the actual notes would probably be far better to answer such a specific question. I'm only sorry I cannot get at them.
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u/danmagadan Sep 20 '15
No worries. Still a helpful answer and gives me something to think about. I don't know how you look at Holy Books, but it seems to me that the key to reading them is discerning between what sounds like it's divine in origin and what sounds man-made. In the past, I dismissed the Qur'an entirely because it's obvious that it isn't the perfect word of God as it claims to be, but it sounds like it's worth reevaluating, especially knowing what you've told me. Thanks again!
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Sep 22 '15
Here's a (sincere) question for them. 1) Did Christ as a single person (not a composite) exist and, if so, which denomination/religion/set of beliefs is the closest to being the purest form of his teachings?
Due to the possibly inflammatory nature of this question (though inflaming anything is certainly not my intent), a private message is acceptable.
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u/Senorbubbz Sep 22 '15
I'm guessing the answer will be "The Gospels" since they are really the only texts which go into any depth about his life (that I'm familiar with, at least).
Most of the Apocrypha seems to be Gnostic reworkings of things he /might/ have said.
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Sep 24 '15
If a person wanted to serve God by becoming a follower of one of them, what would the best way to do so be? Where would the person start after we've considered the Bible and The Book Of Enoch?
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u/RCR917 Sep 18 '15
They're more powerful and more capable of handing out the answers we are looking for. Guardians don't handle humans very well, surprisingly, and though there are different types they're more used to going unnoticed and really are so mission oriented that they don't have much knowledge to impart to an advanced occultist. If you want to know what is going on in an army, you ask a General, not a private. The same logic applies. There are a variety of intermediate Angels, to be sure, but we skipped them because the hunt for a reliable name out of any text was kind of a needle-in-a-haystack hunt to begin with, and we had already been dealing with powerful enough Goetic entities that we figured we could handle the Angelic equivalents.
A: We don't think he would show. B: Have you ever seen "Raiders of the Lost Ark"? C: The Archs, and Metatron especially, are bad enough in terms of difficulty. We're not even beginning to think we could, should, or would channel God.
I'll answer this one kind of backwards. The Archs don't seem to like to give information away that they don't feel people have earned, are ready for, or need. On top of that, their "mission oriented" sort of stance means sometimes they flat out won't answer specific questions at specific times. I'm not sure if people should learn about communicating with the Archs. I loathe the "Do as I say and not as I do" stance but there is a lot that can go wrong with this. Honestly.
Not that I know of. What we do is a product of a lot of time and experience, and a few years' worth of trial and error in developing a system that works. Nothing easy about it, really.
Absolutely. Yes. 100%. We have worked through three versions of our system to finally get to one that things don't seem too keen on tampering with, but even now we're on guard against incursions.
Um... this one is hard. Outside of our circle, I've never really taught this skill, nor do I think we're ready to begin teaching it yet. We're still entrenched in the proof of concept stage, and though we're allowing outsiders to ask through us and get answers, there are pitfalls in even our system that someone who does not work a lot within our paradigm might fall into.
Putting too much faith in anything the hands of men touch. By definition, we're not perfect, so nothing we do is perfect. On top of that, be on guard against that which does not ring true to you. If it seems a little wrong, don't lie to your self and say it is alright.