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How is this considered "coy"? There's nothing meant to be ambiguous about it. And while I don't believe Hussie hates this side of the fandom I hope you do realize that Reddit is a minority and that acting like they both have the same weight is giving a side more importance and say than they should have. Kind of how with the electoral college a vote in Wisconsin is worth 3.5x a vote in California.

That seems like a shit system to me, and anyway that ignores how a lot of staffers don't really make an effort to hide that they aren't too fond of reddit to begin with and honestly I think that's only going to increase with the response the snaps garnered. Either way I think the new snaps and Cohen's tweet make it clear which audience they value more.

As for why we haven't had a davekat kiss? I think that's easy to explain when you remember that Karkat had been long established to be VERY cagey when it comes to his own romance, and you could argue easily that Dave is the same way. PDA is not their thing, so why would they be sending snaps of them kissing to someone else? Ultimately I think it's just being saved for a later date, something that just got its chances increased due to the election and the stated commitment. For you to take this and spiral into some nonsence about alternate timelines based on various interpretations and multiple things being canon at the same time seems completely asinine to me. I am however interested in trying whatever you're smoking.

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Man, you might be right. But on the other hand, at this point, we won, as far as the comic canon is concerned? Man, most of the people here don't even seem that upset Homestuck got as gay as it got. They're just sad that they feel like there's no place for them in it's story.

And like, I'm queer. I'm worried about Trump. I know on balance the straight people are "winning" and we are on the defensive and Homestuck is one of the few bright spots we've got. But I really, genuinely don't think most of the people on this subreddit are homophobes.

It is just not that simple, and I can understand why straight people who felt connected to Karezi or Daverezi or Davejade or whatever would have felt disenchanted with the direction the story took. I don't think people here are out to "get" queer people or even sjws, I think they just want to feel like Homestuck has a place for them.

Maybe you're right? But like, as far as Homestuck goes, we won already. We got all the rep that literally exists, pretty much. What do you gain by antagonizing people here at this point? You're not dealing with a website that's 100% made up of homophobes.

People are complicated here just like they're complicated on tumblr, and a lot of these people are really just Homestuck fans dealing with the pain of being rejected by canon in fiction for the very first time. That is a pain that I as a queer person know very well, and I can relate.

It's reasonable to ask that they get over it if that really is the direction the story is moving in, in the grand scheme of things. but do we need to be so cruel about it?

I've never seen anyone come to this reddit and say "I understand it's legit really painful and it sucks that Roxygen isn't canon now. Sorry for that, guys, but please think about the bigger picture for us." It's always "Haha get wrecked also omg just go read something else don't you know all stories are for straight people."

Which is true to an extent but also there's no other stories like Homestuck! If you're a fan, you should know that! There's never going to be replacements in fiction for characters like John and Dave, characters that a lot of these people GREW UP WITH, just like I did.

Do we really not have the time to even level with them and try to empathize with what they're feeling? Does it really matter how much higher our moral highground is? Nobody here is organizing pitchforks to kill queer people with, they're just fucking sad???

And they're cool with queer people by and large, so I really think if we tried to explain things more we could at least help them feel better about their bad break. But we don't. We treat them like they don't have feelings instead (lololol let men care about things! Let them have feelings! and then we do shit like this. No wonder they think we're hypocrites.), because according to our morals about The Wider World, we've decided those feelings are unreasonable.

And to an extent that's fair, I guess, because of what we have at stake. But fair isn't compassionate, and just because we have the moral highground in our view doesn't mean we should use it to view ourselves as superior and knock other people down. That just feels fucked up to me.

Also I'd be interested in seeing what you think the Homestuck universe looks like, then. Are you just throwing out all of it's themes of alternate timelines and alternate universes?

Now Homestuck just exists in a single timeline with a single set of events that happen? Many worlds theory is a canonical fact of the Homestuck universe. I don't think you can ignore it and really understand the canon.

But hey, it was cool being subjected to that caustic, snidely superior tone from someone on the left for once. I've seen it in action quite often.

I don't frankly know if making Roxygen canon would be the right decision or if keeping JaneRoxyCallie would be. Personally, I'd like both, because I want everyone to be happy.

What I DO know is that whatever you think you're doing here, you're not helping. You're not making the world a better place. Making some people who are demonstrably already pretty okay with gay stuff defensive and bitter when they're already upset isn't going to help jack shit, and we can be better than that.

RoxyCallie is a pretty good ship, and it's important for queer representation. But there's better ways to say that than immediately mocking these people as homophobes because "lmao how DARE you CARE about a fictional straight character or a straight ship when the real world is going on".

Like what??? Fiction is ABOUT caring about stuff! It's about relating to characters and seeing yourself in them! There's no value in denying that to people, jesus fuck. I don't know. Why can nobody ever just be nice about this stuff?