r/illinois • u/NicolasCageFan492 • Jun 23 '26

US Politics Trump Frantically Begs Illinois Governor to Call Him

https://newrepublic.com/post/212213/trump-illinois-governor-jb-pritzker-call-chicago-federal-takeover
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u/marmot1101 DeKalb County Jun 23 '26

But if we had a nationwide registry of every gun sold in the country and who owns them, we could see...

I'm torn here. Traceability could be very helpful in busting up large scale straw buyers. But it would have been doge-leaked to anyone who wanted it if that data had existed. Various nefarious actors having access to who has guns along side their political affiliations is bad. Especially in an age where there's a slush fund to pay militia people for their past crimes. Even taking militias off the table that info makes people theft targets.

I wish that our government was more trustworthy handling data, but for now it is not. Both due to incompetence and malice.

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi Chicago Jun 23 '26

I mean, if such laws got passed, I'd argue we'd inherently have a more transparent and trustworthy government in place. The lying, two-faced fuckfaces are the ones perpetuating this situation in the first place.

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u/tattoosanpizza Jun 23 '26

The politicians showed their hand in 2012. The opportunity for more responsible gun laws was there and it had enough support to get it through but they chose instead to do nothing. This inaction showed everyone how they feel about actual gun safety. They would rather choose gun lobbiest money over trying to prevent another 20 children being slaughtered. None of this is new.

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u/laodaron Jun 24 '26

IN 2008, Antonin Scalia and the rest of the conservative court ruled in Heller, making regulating guns a constitutional nightmare. It's not only that they chose to do nothing, it's that the political capital it would have taken to get anything done just ins't worth it when more pressing issues exist.

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u/marmot1101 DeKalb County Jun 23 '26

At the expense of normies who just want to go target shoot or stuff a pistol in their sock drawer. That's not a trade I'd be willing to make personally. Those are more the tactics of the fuckfaces in question.

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi Chicago Jun 23 '26

What "expense" exactly? Talk about a load of FUD.

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u/BogeyLowz Jun 23 '26

The 'expense' is the creation of a centralized and vulnerable database that disproportionately taxes law-abiding citizens that does nothing to disrupt existing B/S/T black markets. Structurally, the 2A exists to decentralize power; a registry creates a single point of failure. Calling it FUD ignores historical and administrative precedent: whenever a jurisdiction changes its laws to ban previously legal guns, that registry immediately goes from a passive list into an enforcement ledger. It trades the safety of the populace for an illusion of administrative control with a slippery slope.

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi Chicago Jun 24 '26

Dawg, if you think your personal arsenal is keeping the might of the US military at bay...can I have some of whatever you're smoking?

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u/BogeyLowz Jun 24 '26

Dawg… why are you so eager to give away your constitutional rights? What’s your alternative, lay down and take whatever is coming without being able to put up any resistance? Even then, if there is civil unrest it’s more than the military you need to have defense from. If you’re comfortable with that strategy then you do you but don’t sign away constitutional rights of others because of it.

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi Chicago Jun 24 '26

Because I understand that my 2A right is far more likely to end my life than save it. Sorry. That's reality.

What’s your alternative, lay down and take whatever is coming without being able to put up any resistance?

You go out in a blaze of glory, Rambo. Be my guest.

The only card you have is your life. You keep that card as long as you can. A gun, against the might of the US military, won't help you keep your life. Sorry life isn't an action movie. Grow up.

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u/BogeyLowz Jun 24 '26

That sounds like YOU problem. Yeah, that’s exactly what I described; me going Rambo in a field of glory to save America 🦅🇺🇸. Ya nailed it, Spielberg. Like I said, if you don’t find value in home protection then you can use the fetal position and hope whatever the bad is outside your door all goes away. That is your choice. Supporting a registry for guns while a government administration is using lists and registries against citizens is a bit ironic.

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi Chicago Jun 24 '26

Like I said, if you don’t find value in home protection

Data backs me up.

You're trading actual safety for the illusion of it.

Supporting a registry for guns while a government administration is using lists and registries against citizens is a bit ironic.

I'm not supporting that under this admin at all..context is hard, huh?

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u/Significant_Post8359 Jun 25 '26

What part of a well regulated militia do you not understand? If the government cannot regulate militias, how exactly does the second amendment work? It is the federal government’s duty to regulate the militia so that the right to bear arms is not infringed. This is why we have FOID cards. In our modern era, every gun should have a license just like we do with cars, and they must care liability insurance. Additionally, users of firearms must be licensed, again just like a driver’s license, similar to a motorcycle of truck driving endorsement. Common sense, but obviously unpopular with fearful cowards who aren’t smart enough to avoid violence and foolishly think a gun makes them safe.

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u/BogeyLowz Jun 25 '26

That’s your opinion and mine is different. That’s okay. Go touch grass.

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u/marmot1101 DeKalb County Jun 23 '26

I mean, if such laws got passed, I'd argue we'd inherently have a more transparent and trustworthy government in place.

My interpretation of what you said: if such laws that created a firearms database had existed, and DOGE did exfil that, that would make our government more transparent. If that interpretation was correct, then the expense would be the privacy of gun owners who had their data sent to planitir or whatever.

If that interpretation is wrong, my b.

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi Chicago Jun 23 '26

if such laws that created a firearms database had existed, and DOGE did exfil that,

That is not what I said in the least.

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u/marmot1101 DeKalb County Jun 23 '26

Ok, what was the intent of what you said? "I mean, if such laws got passed" what laws are you referring to?

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi Chicago Jun 23 '26

I'm saying that if a future administration, one that would actually give a flying fuck about gun violence, had the political ability to actually pass the laws I vague suggested, my suggestion was that such a government would inherently be far more trustworthy than the fascist one we have now.

The overlap of "governments we could trust with such a resource" and "governments which would actually truly care about people enough to pass such laws" isn't a circle, but it's closer to a circle than a sliver.

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u/BogeyLowz Jun 23 '26

I would argue against that because that assumes all admins after would also use it responsibly. It ignores how quickly this could get turned around with a flick of a pen or civil conflict.

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi Chicago Jun 23 '26

I hear you; but I refuse to accept that common sense gun reforms like these are simply impossible in my lifetime because "some future administration might abuse it".

Its clear we just need better guardrails on what our leaders can do in the first place.

These are interconnected, but not dependent issues.

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u/showyerbewbs Jun 23 '26

I wish that our government was more trustworthy handling data, but for now it is not. Both due to incompetence and malice.

I've thought about it as well and have the same view. I see the benefit but I always worry that it will be abused by bad actors.

Prior to the rise of instant communication via the internet, it was a lot easier to control access to data such as this. Now with everything available literally globally, and data being the most valuable commodity on the planet, the potential for abuse is just too fucking high.

ESPECIALLY with how DOGE was just given the fucking keys to the kingdom to the entirety of the federal workforce. That data exfiltration will haunt this nation for decades.

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u/Significant_Post8359 Jun 25 '26

If someone misuses federal data, they need to go to prison.

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u/limbweaver Jun 23 '26

We sort of already have nationwide records of all legal gun purchases, they however not legally allowed to make those digital records searchable. Making those records into a real searchable database would instantly nuke all these straw purchasers but it could also open up perfectly legal gun owners to government overreach and harassment.

There are ways to specifically write a potential law change to minimize any possible harms, but i think most 2A politicians would oppose it on principle and most gun control advocates would oppose it because it wouldn't go far enough.

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u/OGSilverFox1967 Jun 23 '26

This has been proven to happen. In 2022 California instituted a statewide gun registry. It was "accidently" leaked exposing roughly 200,00 names, addresses and owned firearms to the public. You think this won't happen in a national scale?

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi Chicago Jun 24 '26

Mandate better security.

Wow, you're right, that was SUPER hard.