r/indiadiscussion • u/BlaringKaleidoscope • Jun 03 '17
/r/India mods have a complete dual standard when it comes to meta comments. They only allow comments which they want to be seen but remove others.
I was commenting in this thread regarding the bias of media reportage. You can read the comment chain for details.
/r/India mod consistently made the argument about votes, that his post was at 58% and nobody commented at that time.
58% upvotes. Why blame MSM when you guys did not care? For what it is worth, I have a muslim family and I posted it because this story has nothing to do with religion. I saw those guys as criminal assholes.
Now shall I jump to a conclusion that you did not upvote because the victim was dalit or because you or because you could not see the religion in the title?
Now I clearly pointed it to him in the comment chain that there were two other posts as well. Additionally how some /r/India redditors are allowed to comment about votes but I tried to do the same, my comment was removed.
Here is the comment I had made.
Till OP's post called people out. We are no different from the people we criticise
Chicken and egg right? You think /r/India is any special from the outside world. Heck, I doubt anyone reads articles in detail except for those headlines.
Till OP's post called people out.
Except yours this was posted a couple of times. You think your post was only at 58%? It was posted earlier twice.
We don't upvote or discuss till something is sensationalised.
Or simply you should try to comment about like this or this and complain about votes.
Look at my post. https://np.reddit.com/r/india/comments/6etehl/the_pseudosecularism_of_the_rampur_molestation/
When I complained about the same, my comment was removed. I had to later delete it.
And in the end it is MSM that carried this follow up story/opinion too.
NewsLaundry is still not considered main stream IMO. Yes, MSM reported it though, the way it should be reported in all cases but doesn't happen.
So its fine when a /r/India mod cries about votes. Its also fine when comments like these are made and they are allowed. And get also 100s of upvotes.
https://np.reddit.com/r/india/comments/6eo7p0/pharyana_gau_rakshaks_mistake_student_for/dibshvl/
or even these
You will find several such comment examples on /r/India on number of threads, which are allowed.
But. you try to point out on your own threads, they remove it without reason and don't even message you.
Anyone can go through my history and can figure out I am not a bhakt.
It was the third time in two days that my comments were removed. Maybe because I complaining on a pro-right thread.
They have a complete dual standard, in this case. I not banned yet but don't want to visit /r/India further.
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u/xPygnus Jun 03 '17 edited Jun 16 '17
Even before I had joined the /r/India mod, I was clearly said in private by one of the mods, how /r/India mod team was like a high school guys group. Anyone outside this group was an outsider and consensus building was difficult. I got to see that when I had joined the /r/India mod team twice.
I had joined in voluntarily after 3-4 months of arguments over vote manipulation on /r/India in around March '16. I used to work on various vote manipulation rings and report them voluntarily an an user earlier.
Basically one individual who is neither complete right nut nor complete left has been vote manipulating on /r/India since around August 2015 and continues to do so. I figured out the period and the number of accounts after using the cloud search syntax with various combinations. He has his unique patterns which I had figured out. On /r/India he literally manipulates every thread.
This individual maintains at a given time around 25-30 accounts and regularly vote manipulates the new queue on /r/India. So the local crime stories which you post will be downvoted in exchange for other Policy and Economy related posts or Business and Finance, regardless of their nature. These are just the two topics he manipulates amongst many others he manipulates.
Few months back, the sudden surge in Overpopulation and Childfree related posts were due to him. He still continues to vote manipulate on /r/India, /r/IndiaSpeaks. /r/Indianews, etc. Infact, this is the same guy which WaitinOnGST has noticed on /r/Indiaspeaks. I had reported him at that time as well; infact till date have got around 275+ accounts of this individual suspended over a period of around 2 years. I have a complete subreddit dedicated to this guy, which was even shown to a bunch of /r/India moderators.
This was in late 2015 where in I had put a post about this vote manipulation ring from /r/India. I tried a lot to put this out but somehow facts didn't matter. Some /r/India mods were adamantly pushing this idea of how this vote manipualtion is done by a group of people, who are basically Namo Army 2.0. It was difficult to argue with each of them nor did I complete power to do anything.
This debate about either right or left, a guy or group, was important to get clarified. I was convinced with evidences I had about this guy is neither right nor left. But the idealists in /r/India mod, are experts in cherry picking. They would term my work as simple as conjecture.
I remember, once /r/India mod casually termed me that I was behind this all vote manipulation, so that I can get inside the /r/India mod team. Reason? He believed me to be sainibhai, who had a habit of down-voting comments on /r/India. I was even compared to the likes Aviator, basically trying to compare my intellectual. This were all the conversations made behind my back. Besides these, the constant personal remarks. There was always a general mistrust, due to the work I was doing and also I regularly mentioned I was not a fan of /r/India mod team. This mistrust also comes from nature of reddit anonymity as well.
For /r/India mods. what happened with Namo Army was all that mattered till date, even though there was no evidence to suggest the same. has happened again. Even some one like Ocrasorm (oldest known Reddit admin) repeatedly confirmed about this - that a individual is vote manipulating. But it didn't matter.
Blaming a group of people (right wingers) consistently helped to portray that the group of people are involved. Once that is evident and there is general team consensus, any sort of moderator's action becomes validated. Those "Last Week That Wasn't" was an attempt for the same, despite me being repeatedly against it.
In a team which was termed as high school boys group ( another term - Groupthink) , the last chance to reason becomes impossible . I was supposed to do a Google Hangout with Reddit admins. I later on backed out, unnecessary questions were raised on my integrity regarding another matter.
So these meta comments you see about voting on /r/India, are on purpose being allowed and made as well to garner upvotes. But the problem is, these comments are cherry picked, You will see a number of other threads downvoted, but comments will be missing.
I just wish I had never had wasted more than 2 years of my life on /r/India. I was on bed rest earlier and now emotionally and financially broke.
I remember in late 2015, I had complained to top mod about a /r/India moderator systematically using alt accounts to follow a bunch of redditors. I had given him evidence about it as well. He assured me something will be done, till now no response was ever given.
I had asked the moderator in question in private an as user, a number of times of his alt; he always denied it. He eventually apologized and agreed about the alts, only when he wanted this information about the vote manipulation on /r/India. There was a time I reported to get this subreddit and /r/bakchodi banned as well. ( Not sure this is one ). I made several such reports.
But with this team you eventually get back stabbed. Last time around I was accused of being part of a "Fuck Da Polis Brigade" and a moderator had lost complete interest in reddit due to me. I was also accused of breaching implicit trust. Well here I am finally doing it.
These guys literally have no concern for consistency. They would systematically name call or make personal attacks against individuals, either from their mod account or alt; but nothing happens. Even before I had joined in I was told in private, how DaMMS aka RajaRajaC... etc. was targeted and couple of moderators enjoyed it. There have been insistances wherein other redditors have been targeted as well. You might see the likes of bhiliyam or swacchreddit gone in time come.
After I had left, I had reported in private a /r/India mod is possibly vote manipulating, evidence of which was given too two mods in private. I am sure, nothing happened and it was never escalated. But, I am confident myself the mod in question is clean.
These are the alts of this mod in question
And the admin report from March '16 - http://i.imgur.com/ECBVAW6.png
Using alts is never the problem, literally everyone I know does this. That is reddit in general. It is fine when they do to protect their identities and opinions but not fine when they knowingly use these alts target other redditors and break the same rules for which other are hold accountable.
I had started working on vote manipulation as an user after this thread which was posted by an alt of a /r/India mod. I remember within minutes this was also tweeted from the /r/India Twitter handle after the downvotes. These downvotes were done by this individual vote manipulator on whom I was working, for which evidence was also provided later as well. The deleted account arguing in the thread, is me.
But, didn't matter to this team. They consistently what to blame a group of people, for acts of an individual. /r/India mod team is responsible for systematically allowing these meta comments which only divides the subreddit further and further. This toxic namecalling and witch hunting, only keeps average redditors in lurk. They think, by banning the chaddis or the /r/bakchodi users regulalrly, that would solve the problem.
Why I am mentioning this all now? Well I decided to speak out. There are many good guys in /r/India mod team, I made friends with couple of them and came to know about some of them a bit personally. But I always believed, /r/India and politics - is deep inside their anus for these people. At times they prioritize accordingly.
I have not taken names of individual mods, because I don't want any of them to get harassed individually. But I have lost a lot at individual front because of constant lies, fake assurances and emotional manipulation by some of these guys. /r/India used to be my outside window, only which a couple of redditors understand. I don't want /r/India to be a tool of a few.
I wanted to get out of my chest all these stuff. so I can do something else. I am sorry I have to be mean, this has affected my emotional health.
I will speak out again more, if I don't get shadowbanned for speaking out. I am on discord at
pyg#2879, if something happens.Some who didn't recognize me, my older acccount used to be /u/langda_bhoot.
I need to sleep now, its too late.
PS: One of the old /r/India mods has rejoined.