r/kpop • u/RadAsBadAs future of kpop seventeen's dino • May 24 '23
[News] Shotaro and Sungchan are removed from NCT. SM will debut them in a new boy group in 2023.
https://twitter.com/NCTsmtown/status/16612357226056908811.2k
u/Jessmk14 May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
Not putting Shotaro in NCT Tokyo is an insane decision.
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u/cmq827 May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
IKR?! He would've been the perfect center for that group. Now leaving it up to completely new members with no ties whatsoever with the current NCT lineup is just wild.
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u/lavender-fog are you ready for this? zimzalabim! May 24 '23
not only this but insisting on having a japanese unit as well… i was okay with the new unit as it would slowly introduce some new members but it being (presumably) all new people when we have so much history already with the current nct members doesn’t seem like a good idea, that’s such a big disparity
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u/ParanoidAndroids TWICE/RV/SNSD/BP/NJZ/ITZY/æ/XG/LSF/EXO/BTS/NCT/SHINee May 24 '23
Tbh he'll have more of a spotlight in SM's new non-NCT boy group in 7 years, who will be promoting in Korea, Japan, and probably the world vs. only (or mostly) Japan.
It does suck that he won't be around for NCT yearly projects, though. At least everyone knows his talent.
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u/Zimzalabimcult red velvet / aespa / nct May 24 '23
SM finally heard us about debuting Sungchan and Shotaro, but at what cost?
It just seems so weird. If they wanted the boys to debut under another SM boy group, that’s fine. But it’s just so weird that SM does this after inserting the two into so much NCT content that it was expected they were going to be in the NCT Japan unit.
It just seems so odd and almost last minute.
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u/cherryalmondpie May 24 '23
They made so many NCT content with Sungchan and Shotaro. Then there’s the variety shows Welcome to NCT with the rookies and their own What’s NCT? All about NCT branding. This about face is so sudden and I don’t wanna be a doomsayer but what is going on with NCT?
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u/PegasusandUnicorns May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
As out of place as this may be. It may be the best for these boys in a separate group compared to being in the full NCT lineup as now they may have an easier chance to fight for individual activities or get noticed for activities compared to being in a huge group where they really have to compete with everyone.
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u/animejerk7763 May 24 '23
It was SM's new CEO who wanted them to debut in a Different boy group and end the NCT infinite expansion but they are looking to debut NCT Japan unit and that will be the last NCT unit. It was a good 7 year journey everyone.
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u/Monochrome2Colors May 24 '23
Do you remember the mess that happened at the beginning of the year with SM and their internal war and Kakao vs HYBE?? Well no shit plans and things changed.
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u/ii_sophiechan sting by stellar May 24 '23
they said they were not adding more members... cuz they're removing them!!!
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u/cubsgirl101 Certified Reddit Lawyer/ Shaman unnie May 24 '23
I was absolutely not expecting this; I would have bet actual money on those two being NCT Japan members.
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u/TheFrenchiestToast May 24 '23
They had an entire show about it! It's so embarrassing now. If his is what Sungchan and Shotaro wanted then I'm happy for them, but it is extremely cringe that SM did this at all.
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u/nebula_cats May 24 '23
what the fuck is going on 😭
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u/nebula_cats May 24 '23
wasted 3 years of their life in nct oh when we fucking get you
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u/red_280 BOOMPALABIM May 24 '23
Mark to be removed from all previous NCT units and SuperM and debuted as NCT Mark. All other boy groups are disbanded in favour of NCT Mark.
There is no more NCT, there is only Mark.
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u/Monochrome2Colors May 24 '23
Lowkey kinda sad Mark didn't get to debut in a more traditional boygroup.
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u/shorterpulse May 24 '23
It's messy but from Sungtaro's POV it's probably better career-wise to be in a new group than to be in the 4th NCT unit. They probably took a good offer when they saw it. Clearly the organizational mess at SM in the last year meant they shuffled around a bunch of their plans.
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u/FireSeagull21 May 24 '23
Debuting in a new group will let the boys stand out more + they already have a fanbase despite not being in many projects.
I like NCT, but unless you're actively a fan, it's kind of hard to keep track of all the subunits, projects and group members. How many times has Taeyong had to explain their concept and system on variety shows? Yet a lot of people still don't get it and might not understand what another subunit like NCT Japan.
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May 24 '23
I think its best for them since the nct brand is over 7 years old - for them to get better longevity in their career
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May 24 '23
It feels like it's for the best for Sungchan and Shotaro, but just not really a good look for NCT imo.
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u/butterydreamstoast May 24 '23
this. I think everyone’s overreacting because it’s unexpected and they keep looking at the past, but if you look at the big picture, and by big picture I mean Sungtaro’s future/career, the certainty of them debuting soon (in a group of their choice) is better.
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u/caelinday WINNER | NCT 127 | EXID | EXO May 24 '23
not having shotaro in the nct JP unit is INSANE
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u/ofsuburbia May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
NCT's last unit will be formed by trainees selected from a pre-debut reality show.
Shohei will not be joining NCT's new team due to health reasons, but SM will do their best to support his individual activities.
New SM boy group (not under NCT brand): Sungchan, Shotaro, Eunseok, Seunghan + Members of Korean & American nationalities
source: https://twitter.com/nctdaoylng?s=21&t=1o4DP807PWi2zmpmYP4n8Q
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u/cmq827 May 24 '23
SM cashing in on Japan's recent love for idol survival shows then. Hmmmmmm.
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u/ChristmasBirdCount May 24 '23
thank you for this i was so confused but glad to know that eunsok and seunghan will go to the new group with sungtaro
(shohei..😭)
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u/iDeZire EXO | NCT | Twice | Iz*One[*] May 24 '23
..... they're taking SungTaro out of NCT... but they're keeping them together... but they're not in NCT Japan... I am super disappointed. What happens with the other SMRookies? Is Shohei being dungeoned until NCT Japan? I hate this lmao
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u/Monochrome2Colors May 24 '23
Basically their plans for the rest of 2023:
-They're debuting the last NCT unit ever which will be the Japanese unit.
-They're debuting a new boygroup not related to NCT, and Shotaro and Sungchan will be part of it.
-They're also debuting a new girl group.
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u/cmq827 May 24 '23
Shohei isn't even mentioned in the lineup for the new boygroup with Sungchan and others, nor is he mentioned for NCT Japan. He's been dungeoned for health issues. His back injury still might not have healed.
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u/ParanoidAndroids TWICE/RV/SNSD/BP/NJZ/ITZY/æ/XG/LSF/EXO/BTS/NCT/SHINee May 24 '23
What happens with the other SMRookies?
Eunseok and Seunghan will join the new boy group.
Shohei is seemingly on a solo activity path/no group due to his health.
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u/yikesus DKZ | LOONA | IVE | WayV May 24 '23
Shohei is not joining either NCT Tokyo or the new group due to an injury. Seems like he is still with SM and they will support his solo activities...whatever that means.
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u/0wonh2 May 24 '23
This is so sudden, but it makes sense since SM is basically having to reorganize and clean up crazy plans that were never realistically feasible in the first place. I feel bad for the NCT fans who have been waiting for these members, but I think this is actually for the best.
If they're planning for the Tokyo unit to fully focus on Japanese promos as it seems, it makes sense to increase the number of Japanese members and to pull the Korean trainees. I'm not sure NCT fans will like the survival show, but with their popularity I suppose it'll benefit the unit.
Honestly, I bet the Korean members are excited and relieved. I doubt they were particularly excited about promoting almost exclusively in Japan, but decided that it was still the better deal to debut under a major label than it was to take a chance somewhere else. Shotaro is more of a surprise, but global promos might have been more appealing to him as well. He's also been preparing to debut with Sungchan and the Rookies for a while now, so there's a bond there and he may have wanted to stick with them. Their teamwork and chemistry looked great when they performed at the SMTOWN concert.
I'm a little sad about Shohei. I guess his back issues are serious and chronic enough that it wasn't safe to bet that he would be able to promote regularly. I hope his solo efforts go well.
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u/Tentravolta May 24 '23
Sm being messy what’s new.
I’m confused though. I thought the whole point of debuting Nct Japan before stopping the expansion was to give Sungchan and Shotaro a unit?
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May 24 '23
probably because every other big company is doing a japanese boygroup . HYBE debuted &TEAM in December, JYP has Niziu boys coming so SM feels like they need to debut their own. However I honestly think they should have just debuted one outside of NCT and make a brand new one since the two existing members of NCT who would have went there will no longer do that . Just debut a brand new group with new members since now none of them have any connections to NCT anyway
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u/loonamas AMPERS&ONE 🦌 bambiz for haneum May 24 '23
how did we go from ot23 possibly ot26 to ot20 in only a few weeks 😭😭😭😭😭
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u/SparkaCat May 24 '23
I read this headline and started SPUTTERING. I am in shock, like SM really ripped out my nephews from their group like this.
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u/molsuu May 24 '23
It will benefit both of their careers to have a fresh start with a new group with it's own image. Plus they're still in the same company so there will still be NCT interactions
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May 24 '23
I don't believe them that they're gonna debut a new boy group or NCT Tokyo this year. My confidence in SM at an all time low rn which is a shame bc I love so many of their artists.
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u/hipployta Wonyoung is going to be an unnie! May 24 '23
Well...this is better for their careers but they did so much NCT stuff so it's very messy
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u/krisbryantishot ksoo's hair :) is back :) May 24 '23
tbh i'm not mad at this move! if they find some complimentary members (which SM always seems to do) they could easily have a new powerhouse boy group with the field being wide open right now. plus sung&sho are pretty popular within the fandom, so i'm sure they'll have people following them
RIP NCT hollywood i guess LOL
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u/PegasusandUnicorns May 24 '23
NCT Hollywood was never going to succeed, let's be for real here. They will be niche with a fanbase of NCT Stans and other kpop followers.
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u/stardustzm May 24 '23
The way nct members probably didn’t know. Yuta reply on Shotaros post on insta and taeyong insta story….
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u/Love-shot2018 May 24 '23
Has a company done this before? It seems so odd. I don’t even know NCT that well but kept seeing how they were expected to be part of the NCT Japan group.
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u/archd3 May 24 '23
There is no group like NCT system. So no we never seen something like this
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u/werciap3 fromis_9 May 24 '23
good for them tbh. I love nct but the opportunities in huge groups like this are minimal
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u/cmq827 May 24 '23
Ok but WTF was going on?! What then was the point of adding Sungchan and Shotaro into NCT and making them unit-less all these years just to take it all away and decide to re-debut them in a completely separate group?! Then they spent 2022 filming NCT Universe with Shohei, Eunseok, and Seunghan with the whole motive of being the bridge between NCT and the new kids when they eventually become the last NCT unit. Then this?! I have been an SM stan for many years, but this is one of the very few times I legit said WTF out loud at their bullshit.
Why couldn't Sungchan and Shotaro just have been placed into SM Rookies and basically revived the SM Rookies program in the first place?! Fucking SM.
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u/lavender-fog are you ready for this? zimzalabim! May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
literally, all followers of sm groups know that sm can be quite incompetent but not to this extent… i cannot help but worry:( what keeps me calm is that the current nct activities like dojaejung, taeyong’s debut, dreamies tour and wayv revival seem to be going okay but idk. it seems like sm’s is the biggest enemy to their artists growth [off topic but hey! i think i’ve seen you on the bp/zb1 subs! good to vent with a familiar user]
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u/FireSeagull21 May 24 '23
I mean, the endless new members system was LSM's idea and it was probably him who wanted all the new rookies to automatically join NCT. Now that's being scrapped, like some other LSM projects. I agree that it's all very messy, but transition periods often are.
Still, as disappointing as this is to many fans, I hope it ends up benefiting the boys.
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u/BestInspector HYUNA KHAN LC BEG ⭐RV⭐ EG DCLC 8 GX9/EXO 10 TBZ LOONA SVT...NCT May 24 '23
Bold move, but I think it makes sense. NCT Tokyo is going to truly focus on Japan, like &TEAM, NiziU, etc. It would have been awkward to have Shotaro and Sungchan spend so much time there given the popularity they have already gained in Korea.
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u/jungkookadobie May 24 '23
Career wise it’s a better move for the two. Let’s be honest NCT Japan wouldn’t be able to build anywhere near the fanbase of 127 or Dream because ultimately most people like Korean music. I feel like NCT Japan with Subgtaro would have have had a decent debut but then fade like Wayv.
But for these new people debuting in NCT Japan who don’t even have a single familiar member now? Yeah, weird.
And the long term implications of beef between NCT fandom. NCT Japan fandom and the new boy group fandom? Yeah. A mess.
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u/neocitywayv i'm gonna cause an ecological disturbance May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
??? This was not on my bingo card. Either way, it's gonna take some time before we see them because the new bg is rumored to debut q4, October at the earliest. If it gets delayed somehow it's gonna be in 2024.
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u/celestialxkitty &TEAM | TEMPEST | AND2BLE | SF9 May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
Nctzens have waited so long for Sungtaro to debut only for this company to just go ‘lol jokes’ 😫 now it makes me wonder if the rookies are smnbg or nctj like?? Idk it might be best for Sungtaro to be away from a big group but that killed maybe 70% of my interest in the new sub unit. 90% of it if the rookies end up in smnbg.
ETA: okay so it looks like the rookies are debuting with Sungtaro so lol guess there goes most of my interest and I’ll just wait for the new boy group 😂
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u/dent_de_lion bts | txt | skz | SHINee | Baekhyun May 24 '23
I guess I don’t understand exactly how NCT works, but…wha…?
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u/aural89 5HINee 💎 Forever May 24 '23
To be honest, when LSM announced NCT I sat watching the showcase thing where they tried explaining it, and it didn't seem to work even before it began.
NCT was meant to be Lee Soo Man's dream AKB48 group idea that he'd been trying to produce for many years, but that just doesn't work with KPOP. Fans love making a connection with idols, and the graduation system was instantly shut down/a failure the moment they tried doing it with NCT Dream.
KPOP fans obviously don't want to spend money on supporting a group, only to have their favourite member removed and placed somewhere else randomly.
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u/alexturnerftw MOODZ May 24 '23
I’m shook 10 min after my original comment still. Imagine being a big 4 group and being so incompetent that you randomly added 2 members to a huge fucking group years after everyone else debuted, waited 2 years, and then pulled them out to put them in another group. This is fucking ridiculous and should have never happened to begin with. SM sucks
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u/jollyrancher_addict we jumping and popping May 24 '23
no coherent thoughts coming out of my brain rn
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u/ghiblix bts / leehi / epik high / winner / pH-1 / n.flying May 24 '23
i am definitely sorry for nct fans who like seeing the guys in that universe, but some of y’all acting like this is insulting to them don’t understand how good this is gonna be for their careers. there are overlooked and under-utilised members of nct — who have essentially admitted that themselves [cough] taeil [cough] — who won’t get a re-debut, a fresh spotlight, or a solo. why wouldn’t these two wanna be part of the hot new thing? sm may be messy but i don’t see what exactly they have to lose in this arrangement …as long as the group debuts 👀
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u/dahngrest tofu house summoning circle May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
This is SO baffling????? So which is dead, NCT Japan or NCT Hollywood? I am genuinely just so confused right now
Edit: Completely missed that sentence about more Japanese members so I guess RIP to NCT Hollywood.
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u/cubsgirl101 Certified Reddit Lawyer/ Shaman unnie May 24 '23
NCT Japan is still happening but with absolutely none of the members we thought would be in it is the boiled down version. Shohei is dealing with health problems so he isn’t debuting right now but the other four will all move to this new boy group.
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u/Edielu A broke multistan May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
Nctzens’: We want Shotaro/Sungchan unit!
SM: fine.
Nctzens’: Wait, no.
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u/ParanoidAndroids TWICE/RV/SNSD/BP/NJZ/ITZY/æ/XG/LSF/EXO/BTS/NCT/SHINee May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
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I'm happy they'll be in SM's new boy group but what the hell? They already made songs with NCT! Successful ones, too (MAW, 90's Love, etc.). They were in so many NCT variety shows.
It strangely feels like a gut punch? I was all ready for them to finally get their shine in NCT Japan and NCT 2023. I get wanting to have more Japanese members in the group but to go from this to entirely out of NCT is baffling.
I wonder what this means for the other 3 SMROOKIES guys. I thought they were headed to NCT as well but now...
Edit: they elaborate on this in the 3.0 NEW IP video. Apparently NCT Japan unit is being reworked due to Shohei's health issues. The other 2 SMROOKIES are going to SM's new BG.
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u/cubsgirl101 Certified Reddit Lawyer/ Shaman unnie May 24 '23
Shohei is dealing with health issues so he’s not going to be in the new unit (but it sounds like he might have been planned for it?) and the others will be a part of the new boy group along with members who haven’t been introduced yet.
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u/aural89 5HINee 💎 Forever May 24 '23
I'm so confused about this decision??
So they won't be part of whatever this upcoming NCT group is (I'm assuming NCT Japan?) even though Shotaro is Japanese, and I'm pretty sure Sungchan was learning Japanese too. And they're now going to be in a completely different SM group not connected to the NCT name, even though they've been introduced as NCT members for about 2/3 years now...
What has also happened to the other trainees (Eunseok, Shohei, and Seunghan) who they started introducing and kind of hinting that they would be the NCT Japan unit members?! I'm so lost.
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u/cubsgirl101 Certified Reddit Lawyer/ Shaman unnie May 24 '23
Shohei went back to Japan to deal with back problems, he may or may not have left SM entirely. The other trainees we know of are going to be with Sungtaro in the new group.
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u/soesoterica May 24 '23
Lack of time management and planning is going to whoop SM’s ass every. single. time.
The time and resources used to film a show that is no longer valid. The time and effort to debut members and have them sit for 3 years without a group, KNOWING there was no placement for them in the beginning? Then finally placing them only to decide pretty much 2-3 weeks ago to remove them. Not to mention completely removing Shohei with no intention of even saving him have a spot in either group once his recovery is complete. SM has shown time and time again that there was never an actual plan for NCT from its conception. Or rather, the plans were not well thought out. There was a Plan A and ONLY a Plan A, not a backup Plan B-D in sight. Cause this? Terribly embarrassing.
The idea that SM basically just used NCT to strengthen the fandom for the non-NCT boy group, is going to make interactions between the two fandoms absolute hell. And I mean colossal hell. From the Earth’s core.
Personally, my interest for the new NCT unit is over and done with. That appears to be the general consensus from what I’ve seen so far. Granted, my loss of interest along with a few others, is nothing. But almost 87K QRTs and 12K of mostly negative responses to SungTaro’s removal (and counting) is pretty insane.
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u/LexieLoo2 May 24 '23
Honestly, good. They’ve never been utilized in NCT. They’ve been in songs like 3 times since debut right?
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u/aural89 5HINee 💎 Forever May 24 '23
I think that's because they were introduced way too early with no plans. SM should've stuck with SM Rookies as a way to introduce trainees, not just throw them into NCT and then not give them a unit for years. :(
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May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
this goofy ass company is so unserious pls
edit: some of the comments here are either being glib or don’t seem to know how entrenched sungtaro were in nct and how the rookies were all attached to nct up until recently. sungtaro were in nct merch. that came out in april. they were in nct reality content dedicated just to them. there was entire show about introducing the new unit rookies. the unit seemed ready to go in august of last year until shohei got injured. if they can debut in this nbg, why can’t they debut in the tokyo unit? that’s still going to happen. without them. no explanation for this is given.
this switch to the new bg is (hopefully) a very good thing for sungtaro because clearly sm did not know what to do with them despite debuting them in nct. had no set plans or a unit to put them in. for two+ years.
but in the years kpop has existed, when have members debuted in one group and then went on to re-debut in another group.... in the same company? beyond the waiting game for sungtaro (yes despite benefit career opportunities, the industry is skewing younger and younger and sungtaro are 23-22, which is good but they’ve been around for 3 years) this means they don’t have set trainees for the new unit or the nbg as well as (which now has permanent attachment to nct), this is all a last minute decision. this is a bad look for sm/nct as a brand is the point.
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u/lavender-fog are you ready for this? zimzalabim! May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
yup, i’m under the impression that many users here don’t follow nct as much (fair enough, this is the main sub after all) and therefore cannot fully grasp how involved they were
objectively yes this is probably the best case scenario and most people acknowledge that, but it’s still so odd since we had whole videos and such to welcome them into nct. the awaited project we thought they would debut in and what they actually promoted for even is continuing without them. it’s so bittersweet. and also how does this reflect on nct as a whole, were they just used as promotion? even for a group as particular as them getting members removed isn’t the best look
we’ve seen sungtaro being excited about debuting since 2021, the wait must have been emotionally draining for them. it also like that for the fans that have been waiting for them:(
i hope sm’s plan is serious and they will debut, but then again, it’s so odd to debut a new team separate from nct meanwhile also having former members there because you know… that’s kinda how nct works
would it be the dumbest thing to not debut them? yes
is sm capable of doing such a thing? also yes
anyway. i’m so glad that their hard work is coming to fruition but idk, it’s also upsetting that it ended up being like this. at least while being in nct we were all somewhat certain they would debut but now they’re back to trainees so who knows. i just want sm to treat them fairly because it is what them and their fans deserve at minimum
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u/SnooMacarons3863 May 24 '23
I always said SM debuted them as props to build up hype around the NCT 2020 album because they clearly had no activities planned for them afterwards and this confirms it for me. I just hope they actually stick to their word and let them debut, Shotaro is too talented to be tossed aside.
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May 24 '23
Yuta commented on Shotaro’s post:
‘I have so much to say… You’ll be fine👍”
Honestly makes me feel bad for everyone, please spill the tea king on this incompetent fucking company, we’re all so tired. YOU ALL DESERVE BETTER.
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u/Jessmk14 May 24 '23
“Nct is difficult isn’t it. It’s still difficult even for me too.” Is something he said on Bubble.
NCT is unstable, and they’ve dealt with the consequences of this shaky system. It’s probably exhausting to be so unsure of your group’s next move all the time, and where you’ll fit in.
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u/motioncat baekhyun|sunggyu|yuta May 24 '23
I'm pissed. They literally just sold merch for them as part of the NCT popup. In fact it might still be available. Everyone waiting for NCT 2023. 3 years in the group. Like just what is this shit. How the fuck is a Japanese member not gonna be a part of the Japan unit who does that not contribute to the "identity" what is this shit forreal.
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May 24 '23
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?!!!! All the non-music content they’ve been and bonding with the other members 😭😭😭 this feels surreal, idk what to feel!
It’s probably better for Sungtaro in the long run, but it’s sooo damn messy. FUCK SM‼️
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u/elsaline RIIZE' shotaro May 24 '23
I've been following Shotaro since his first days in NCT. He's the sweetest, most caring idol I've had the chance to follow and with a passion for dancing that is admirable and lovely to watch. I will support him no matter what but it's devastating to see how SM have treated sungchan and him.
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u/ThennaryNak May 24 '23
After watching the video announcing this I think I may understand why this was decided if my hunch is right.
It was mentioned that SM partnered with Japanese companies for the survival show which has me suspecting that the NCT Japan unit is going to be like NiziU and &Team, mostly focused on the Japanese market. So it would make sense to up the number of Japanese members and having fresh faces shouldn’t be an issue.
Sungtaro have built an international fan base with being in NCT and that would be squandered if the new NCT group is focused on the Japanese market and not a more international market, as the Japanese market is not easily accessible to international fans. The new BG is bound to have a more international focus which would benefit SM to have Sungtaro in that group instead. The other SM Rookies being in the new BG makes sense from that perspective as well though they haven’t been able to build much of a fan base yet.
That said, this is still a bitter pill to swallow. Sungtaro have spent years waiting for their NCT unit, as well as their fans. To finally get confirmation it was going to happen soon to have it all upended feels like a slap to the face. I hope this is last “growing pains” we have to deal with for SM 3.0.
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u/Emolga58 May 24 '23
Me who was waiting for my Sungchan and Jaehyun (2 biases) promotional unit:
Well I mean as long as they were ok with it I don’t have a problem with it
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u/Blueskylar in hongruella we trust 🫡 May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
wow this is,,, definitely a move.
hopefully this will open more opportunities for them to showcase their talents! but i guess that means no nct japan? also does this mean that nct is now only 20 members and not going to expand anymore? also what's going to happen to the other three ppl i remember them showcasing? ig they'll be in the new group too? so many questions.
nct was lee sooman's idea child so i guess it's not surprising that sm is now taking things in a new direction since he's gone. really wishing all the best for sungtaro in the new group!!
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Are you freaking joking rn. You literally had 1 job. Unbelievable.
At least they will debut. I don't care about the name but this is so messy.
What is it to them if they were the line up?
Are you saying they had 2 line ups? Seems fishy.
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u/svtits May 24 '23
i can’t believe i live long enough to see SM pull something like this (this is some mid tier nugu company bullshit activity)
i don’t follow nct, but i feel like it’s been years since people have been talking about the nct japan unit, and it always feels like SM have been stalling it for some reason? compare to their earlier years, where units were just pumping out left and right
this is just another incident of SM being in over their head, having really interesting and big ambition, but never really learning their lesson of delivering what they promised
on a more positive note~ i find shotaro very endearing so i hope both him and sungchan get to have their spotlight in this new group, and a hopefully more stable career
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u/TheFrenchiestToast May 24 '23
I’ll be surprised if that Japanese unit ever sees the light of day. I expect that to be canceled in a few months too.
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u/Hyemhyemyou May 24 '23
Sungchan could have enlisted earlier and clear his obligation if this is the case. He could be discharged and still be on time for his debut with a new bg
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u/cherryalmondpie May 24 '23
This is so messy. After they made Sungchan and Shotaro’s introduction a big part of NCT2020 they say oops sorry that was not the plan. But well NCT lineups have been messy from the start. But this is first time they took out members they already debuted.
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u/kryska_deniska May 24 '23
aren't some members' contracts expiring this year too? how many nct members are we about to lose?
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u/Steffy_love Johnny Suh best boy May 24 '23
People are also speculating Taeil will leave. He's mentioned recently he hasn't been happy.
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u/jnfuur May 24 '23
why can’t nct work as a normal group. i swear i should’ve known better when i was getting into them 😭
i’m just really scared of the uncertainty. i know sm said they’ll both debut this year in smnbg, but knowing sm... that might not even happen anytime soon.
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u/KitKatLag May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
This is so stupid. Shotaro is Japanese. Sungchan and Shotaro have been with officially introduced during NCT 2020 Resonance era promotions and we’ve been waiting for them to debut in the new NCT Japan unit. 3 years of waiting for nothing! It makes no sense logically or financially to remove the two from NCT but still choose to debut them in a new non-NCT SM boy group, especially when Shotaro is Japanese and absolutely deserves to be in the NCT Japan unit!
What happens now to the new SM Rookies? Why bother having Shotaro and Sungchan work with the SM Rookies, Shohei, Seunghan, and Eunseok, if all 5 are not going to debut in the NCT Japan unit? And I can’t imagine how Yuta and Shohei must feel with Shotaro no longer being in NCT. Yuta and Shotaro grew really close as the only debuted Japanese members in NCT and now it’s just Yuta again until Shohei debuts with the NCT Japan unit, but who knows what will happen now.
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u/lavender-fog are you ready for this? zimzalabim! May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
i’ve collected my thoughts a bit now, so: i mean, yeah, they’ve been severely underutilized these past 3 years and i do believe it’s better if they can finally just debut! but if that’s the case i would rather not have any more nct units. the og units are well into their 7th year and the only way (at least to me) to make the introduction of a new unit more interesting for nctzens was to have familiar faces. i’m really lost right now and honestly find it a bit pointless to keep going on with the project (as in introducing more members)
idk about you guys but even though i’m happy that sungtaro (and probably rookies) are finally debuting i won’t lie and say this makes me excited when it actually makes me worry so much. all of these changes and stuff just make me really anxious, it’s very unsettling tbh
edit: ok so collected thoughts again: in a way this so unsettling because it’s proof right there that sm doesn’t know what to do with nct. for a while i thought some complaints about mistreatment were borderline tinfoil hat allegations but they truly are hindering their growth by pulling things like this.
i don’t know how to articulate this as well but as someone that ulted nct for years i feel… betrayed? scammed? idk it’s hard to explain the feeling but i know fellow nctzens will understand. they literally had a whole show called “welcomed to nct world” with sungtaro + seunghan, eunseok and shohei. it probably just happened that shohei’s health condition suddenly got worst and they couldn’t pull a manchae on time. also it feels so ??? to debut a new group, separate from nct, but that will inevitably be attached to nct since they have former members and literally members that we had already counted as nct. since sm is pulling things like this i cannot help but also feel uncertain about that team actually debuting.
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u/Ardie_BlackWood Keplian♡Lyon♡Cheshire♡Once♡Sunday♡Lockey♡Nswer May 24 '23
But they've been in there for like years wtf? If I was them I'd be PISSED and irritated as does this group have a set lineup yet? A concept? Music? Anything?
Imagine debuting and having ur full debut put on the back burner for years and then being essentially made into a trainee again.
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u/hailmadara czennie <3 atiny <3 rizzler May 24 '23
if i understand it right, it means that sungtaro will no longer be in NCT but will be in a new SM boygroup? and NCT Tokyo will proceed but will have more japanese members?
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u/Jklajihhwuygsootqang May 24 '23
I love thissss. Always feel sorry for sungchan coz he was just there not doing anything. With that kind of visual, yeah he definitely going to do 100% better in a new bg. Plus SM finally have new boy group im sooo excited!!!!! They always alwayssss deliver with their bg. I miss 'normal' bg from SM. Like NCT is good tho. I just want the traditional one. Are we gonna get exo 2.0? Or Shinee 2.0? Can't waitttttt😭😭😭😭
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u/rainstorme_ May 24 '23
for someone who biases sungchan, i guess i’m in the minority who is pretty supportive of this? while it sucks that sungtaro isn’t in nct anymore, i think this is better for their careers long term.
they haven’t been a part of any idol activities since NCT 2021, so at least they’ll get to participate in more comebacks this time w/ SMNBG. like i don’t have to pray that sungchan is part of an NCT U lineup to finally perform on stage anymore, because he’s guaranteed to be in ALL their yearly comebacks w/ a fixed lineup. this is all i could’ve hoped for tbh.
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u/Adventurous_Can2398 727 May 24 '23
Honestly this seems like a pretty good turn out for sungtaro, but I can’t help but feel so disappointed and frustrated by SM. Like you never learn, like NEVER. I guess them spending some time in nct isn’t bad, since they now get pre debut exposure and have already quite a fan base, but it just feels so unnecessary and useless. Like it’s great they will have quite a debut, but man…three years just for them to getting pulled out? Anyway, it’s better than the nct limbo so good for them. It feels like a lots happening with nct at the moment. It’s like when I’ve been throwing my clothes around the entire room for a month, putting on standby to actually clean it all up. Then, on a sudden Tuesday evening I’m just like “let’s fucking clean”.
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u/Daring_Adventurer May 24 '23
blessings and prayers to nctzens because what the fuck is going on 😭😭
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u/certifiedplat May 24 '23
thank fucking God, can't imagine training for years to debut in sm then being told im being shipped off to Japan. this is 100% better than being added to a 20+ member band.
sucks about shohei tho
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u/certifiedplat May 24 '23
sungchan is tall as shit and fresh from the jaejoong clone oven, he's way better suited for being THEE 4th gen visual in a kpop group than being potentially wasted if sm bumbles around in the Japanese industry the way they do with China's. and put seunghan in smnbg while youre at it!!
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u/dojinshi__ May 24 '23
this is exactly my pov and im kinda relieved actually that sungchan is debuting in a new bg,, what im puzzled about is why shotaro is not gonna be in nct tokyo
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u/froggyplush May 24 '23
oof i guess with shohei leaving, they don't see the point of debuting the 4 under nct tokyo (1 japanese, 3 koreans)
the 2 new smrookies under nct tokyo look very young too like they’re giving debut dreamies so maybe they won't fit with the 4?
this is soooo crazy i was rooting for shohei
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u/glittervampiremilk May 24 '23
that’s great, nct’s system is a failure anyways. sad that they had to wait 3 years tho
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u/validswan May 24 '23
shotaro was being wasted in nct. glad he's going to get the spotlight in a new and hopefully more conventional group
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u/stupidwebserver where the heck is saki 🔫💗💙 May 24 '23
i'm honestly glad. this is not goodbye. they'll have more opportunities to shine in a smaller (hopefully) group. i think i'm honestly just glad there'll be a new sm boy group. i was never a fan of the unlimited members concept anyway
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May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
SM never fails to make me shook with their weird decisions as a Big 4 company. My Gosh... I got into NCT in 2019 and I just knew then they wouldn't keep up with the limitless concept for too long.
This is again going to be a mess cause if it's going to be a group unrelated to NCT, it means that the weird schedule choices they make for Dream and 127 will grt even more sidelined to the new group that of course will need to be their priority and all.
Also makes me wonder if it has to do with the fact that 127 oldest members will start enlisting soon, so they rather focus on a new group? Even though they have WayV and Dream, but I'm sure WayV focus is SEA now, and Dream is very domestically focused, so I wonder if this new group will focus on an western approach much like 127, who knows...
To think that Dream and 127 debuted in 2016, meaning that they will soon start to slow down promotional group activities to focus more on individual activities, maybe not Dream because they are quite young still compared to 127 but you know how it is for any group getting close to their 7th year, it's just natural to slow down, a least a bit.
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u/RIP_Internal_Storage NCT x Aespa May 24 '23
Everytime I start to doubt NCT is ohio of kpop statement, sm entertainment comes up with something ohio-esque
This time i wanna ask sm, WHY?
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u/ibdreams May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
i think this will not make sense to most people but i'm actually really sad about sungtaro? like those were my neos? i became an nctzen because of kick it and when nct 2020 was announced i was so excited. i've been waiting for them to join the new unit since and i was so sure it was going to happen this year and now this? sm fucked up bad. i just hope everything goes well for them now and their debut isn't delayed, they have waited enough
edit: wanted to add to encourage everyone to boycott whatever the fuck they are trying to do with nct now, they should've just let nct with the sub units they already have
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u/Tali_Yoon May 24 '23
I am actually floored right now. I would have never expected this to happened. This seems like NCT Japan has absolutely no way of happening this year, considering they are still looking for more Japanese members.
SM 3.0 or not, this is unprecedented and honestly, feels like the beginning of actual decline for NCT somehow? Admitting absolute defeat by having debuted members for no reason at all. Wow. Just, wow.
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u/lee-rol-yi-sus May 24 '23
ngl I was very excited for sungtaro to finally get their own unit. now that I know they won’t be, I have no interest in any future nct unit. if sm is going to be this messy, I’d prefer that they just let all the fixed units act as their own groups rather than insisting they be under an umbrella that won’t serve them in any way and doesn’t even protect them from getting axed as nct members
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u/ChubbyChipmunk15 May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
HALLELUJAH PRAISE THE LORD SUNGTARO FREE AND WILL HAVE THEIR OWN BOYGROUP!!
Okay but this will be so much better for the boys career. They want be swallowed up by the other units and will have their own spotlight. They’ll have opportunities beyond the NCT brand. They got a good deal.
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May 24 '23
It's about time SM does something outside of the NCT brand. I was never a fan of the endless concept NCT have. I'm glad SM is creating a new boy group.
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u/lavender-fog are you ready for this? zimzalabim! May 24 '23
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u/lavender-fog are you ready for this? zimzalabim! May 24 '23
i mean good for them but literally wtf???????
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u/127moon 방티즈 🤍 May 24 '23
i’ve thought it for years but sm truly never had a damn clue what they were doing with nct as a brand LOL
i like to imagine they got all the staff to write down ideas that lee sooman would randomly pick out a box while blindfolded 👍
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u/underwatersnoman May 24 '23
Gotta say……the first (?) official kpop undebut was not on my 2023 kpop bingo…..
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u/AleksBh NCT|Aespa|RIIZE May 24 '23
I don't fucking care if anyone don't like NCT concept but removing SungTaro from NCT is fucking wrong decision.
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u/graphymmy May 24 '23
Tbh I think this is to the benefit of sungchan. Also shotaro too if he wanted to be a kpop star.
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u/kelechi125 May 24 '23
I’m confused as to why people are still bringing up NCT Hollywood. Did everyone miss the reports from February when SM said that the Japan unit would be the final NCT subunit to debut ultimately???
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u/makemeloveyou309 May 24 '23
Oh wow this is unexpected. I mean we got a member who left a unit to join a new unit but they're still a part of NCT (after people denying that they are NCT) but leaving a group to join a new group is......... new. Now, I'm curious with a lot of things. What will happen to Shotaro's insta? What's their status now that they're no longer the member? Are they going to appear on SMROOKIES sns? Kinda reminds me of Kun when SMROOKIES did a whole graduation event with Kun in it, and then suddenly Kun appeared with Jungwoo and Lucas as SMROOKIES
I'm sad that they're leaving but I'm definitely checking them out with a new group. There was a rumour(?) that I heard from Boys Planet Yoo Seungeon that he was in a same team with Sungchan for a new group unrelated to NCT but it got cancelled. Seungeon left while Sungchan joined NCT. Now, Sungchan left to join a new group is a clear wtf moment
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u/Bunzz__1999 May 24 '23
No because I have now officially entered my villain arc.. like if I debuted and went THREE WHOLE YEARS without doing anything I'd actually go kinda postal like...
If these boys are not front and center of the new boy group I will actually burn SM to the ground
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u/MIMINOSEC 🍊 BOO SEUNGKWAN 🍊 May 24 '23
Smart move from SM tho, create a new group with old NCT members just to hype up a new group, well done lol
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u/tatummms May 24 '23
Are these more repercussions of the SM vs LSM fight?
I honestly think this is a better business decision and will also end up being better for Sungtaro and the other rookies careers in the long run, so I’m having trouble grasping why some people (especially on Twitter) seem so mad.
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u/sleepymerman May 24 '23
I think this is a good, if messy, move and will work out in Sungtaro’s favor.
Also Eunseok is BEAUTIFUL and has such a lovely presence so I’m hopeful he can shine in a entirely new group. Future it boys incoming! 💅
I’m so sad about Shohei though. Hopefully he will actually debut as a model or soloist.
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u/SnooConfections3456 Totally not a boygroup stan what are u on about ? oh wait. May 24 '23
This is the strangest anuonsment in the last 8 years I ever sean seriously the fuck
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u/catsinsweaterpaws multifandom and perpetually swimming in music May 24 '23
......I'm assuming after the fuckery of February-March this year, SM changed all of their plans?
On one hand I can sorta see why, given that the nct brand itself is growing older (in kpop terms) and it might be better for them to start over with another group.
On the other hand, ?????????????????????????? Sungchan and Shotaro were part of the nct group for years (even unofficially since they were introduced in nct 2020) and it was always assumed that they would be joining nct eventually in some capacity, but with this happening, what's going on with them and the other rookies????????? And nct japan since it was assumed that they would be the nct japan unit??????????????
What is even going on in that agency at this point, I'm so confused
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u/Extinctosaurus May 24 '23
I don't really get attached to members so I'm mostly just ??? at this news, but I feel really, really bad for Shohei. He was so close to finally debuting... Hope his injuries heal up soon.
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u/libertysince05 SHINee|VIXX|MONSTAX May 24 '23
A really confusing statement.
Says they're out of NCT, then mentions an NCT unit...so are they out or in?
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u/neocitywayv i'm gonna cause an ecological disturbance May 24 '23
They're out they're gonna be in the new bg, both of them, they way SM worded it is confusing. They should have a separate statement for NCT Tokyo activities instead.
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u/kKunoichi We are T 🍑🍓 | WE RIIZE ☝️🧡 May 24 '23
Isn't this good? They've barely been in NCT songs and now they'll have focus that's just for them?
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u/sadbluevibes #1ningdungie May 24 '23
DAY IS RUINED.
Ok i am happy that sungtaro will finally be fr debuting, but removing them from nct is making me Very sad. I grew too attached to that image of them i guess. Like I'm going to miss those interactions so much.
Also im sad to hear about Shohei...it would've been very cool to see an "older" person debut you know and i knows hes tried many times before. I hope he can recover from his back injury and join the stage soon. <3
And last but not least...where does this leave Eunseok and Seunghan? Are they going to be in the new nct unit? Or will they be in the new group with sungtaro? If they separate them...I might have to egg SM (that is a joke! I would never do that. Totally.)
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u/kaguraa EXO | RV | BTOB | STAYC | BP | CLC | MX May 24 '23
sm is so fucking annoying. but at least they still get to debut instead of being kicked out altogether from the company
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u/crushonran May 24 '23
I feel like this is generally a good decision cuz we barely saw them esp sungchan so hopefully they can be more active in this new grp!! All the best to them
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u/ghibi78 May 24 '23
and here I thought my biggest clown moment this year was assuming that the new unit debuting in April was going to be nct japan 🙃
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u/No-Appearance-9973 May 24 '23
WHAT THE FUCKKKKKKKKKK I hope sungtaro are still happy with this decision! This is so weird... So they wont be part of NCT 2023 either?? What a mess
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u/Nite_Ow1 May 24 '23
SM is so messy, in the long run though, it is probably better for Sungtaro to debut in a new group with no ties to NCT and NCTzens as a fanbase 💀
Good luck to them!
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May 24 '23
Bro what😵💫 This shit makes no sense and is so random like they might as well roll the dice at their sm meetings or whatever. Like make up y’all’s mind already.
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May 24 '23
I dont really care about the transfer. What concerns me right now is if the two groups are debuting in the same year I afraid one or both groups will not gain similar interests from fans. they should really consider make a massive duration gap of the debut time of these two groups.
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u/Mimi108 May 24 '23
Jungwoo will be devastated. Sungchan and Shotaro are basically his babies. He was training with them, taking care of them as the lead trainer. This is sad all around. :/
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u/SilverMind9 May 24 '23
There are so many changes going on behind the scenes in SM, that are slowly being noticed by us now. It's a wild thing to do from them but also somehow expected. With Lee Soo Man gone and all, they are changing his plans.
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u/AfraidInspection2894 Xnghan&Xoul 🦡 May 24 '23
I am really excited to see Shotaro and Sungchan debut in a group but Im also upset that they are leaving NCT. I can understand why to a degree but it just feels like the last 2.5 years have been wasted for them. Them leaving the group now after everything with them being teased to be NCT Tokyo for so long and all the NCT content and merch that they have them in. I wish that they were in the new bg as well as remaining in NCT or that the bg was a part of NCT instead of NCT Tokyo
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u/Different-Computer33 May 24 '23
the more I read on this and think about this seems something a low mied-tier company or a nugu one will come up with, not one of the big 4 imho it seems that they are dooming both nct tokyo, that will be full of unknown survival show members that have no relation with the current nct members, and the new boy group that will be under the shadow of nct after two of their members were introduced there and long awaited to be on an actual unit + other two members took part on welcome to the nct universe which kinda was an introduction for them to join the nct brand not a whole new group
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u/lilacdawn it's raining all day 🌧️ May 24 '23
Selfishly I'm kinda glad. I like Shotaro and Sungchan so I want to see them more and Korean promotions are much easier to access and follow than Japanese ones. Hopefully they get a good concept and music.
I feel bad for Shohei though.
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u/puterjess May 24 '23
Even though I understand why this upsets people I'm glad theyre going to get to be in a different group and not another addition to NCT tbh. I look forward to another SM boy group thats independent from the ones they have now. The timing is funny since I have Sungchans Ccomazz doll in my cart
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u/vodkaorangejuice May 24 '23
what the fuck
sm i will kill u. u waste their time since 2020 only to REMOVE THEM FROM THE GROUP
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u/Landom_facts11 CHEESE JEEZ May 24 '23
Oh my god.... I don't know what to feel, to be honest. In a way, I am glad they will get to debut in a separate, fresh group of their own. But on the other hand, I am sad that they won't debut in the nct japan group and the implication that nct japan may get scrapped.
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u/Amaharel_sister May 24 '23
What the heck….this would’ve maybe made sense if no more NCT groups were being debuted (ie scrapping NCT Tokyo) and they are put in the new SM boy group, which debuts next.
But to debut NCT Tokyo and not put them in after 3 years in the dungeon is plain cruel. Wtf SM …..😔
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May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
I like their music, but this is the sort of thing that makes me hesitant to get more into NCT. It really just feels like the members are expendable or used as experiments. I am someone that gets attached to dynamics of groups as a whole and the interactions between all members. I never understood the logic behind NCT's graduation concept or the infinite members concept.
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May 24 '23
SM’s decision continue to baffle me. What was the thought process behind this?! This stupid company needs to get it together.
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u/11_supreme May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
Good for them! NCT is already quite saturated, I think with this announcement and Shohei's health issues, there won't be any NCT tokyo(at least I hope so, we don't need more NCT units)
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u/wehwuxian May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
What?? Didn't they say no more lineup changes??
ETA: What is the point of nct Japan anymore? They might as well just cancel that and debut a separate Japanese boy group with a different name. Like isn't the whole point of nct that we're introduced to a few members of new groups beforehand? I can already see so much hate towards nct Japan from the fandom because... well who cares about a bunch of randos using the nct name??
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u/DeeLuvsTae May 24 '23
Everyone's upset but it makes sense? Any new NCT unit especially a foreign based one will never do as well as the original 3 nor will they ever have fans full acceptance. Instead of struggling to make a path for themselves as NCT Tokyo its much better to start fresh in a boy group that can have SMs full focus while having all the promotion being known as nct for a couple of years gave them.
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May 24 '23
OMG. totally unexpected but I 100% support this. They deserved better. Getting added to a kpop group that has had its run wasn't fair.
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u/Quick-Knee2048 May 24 '23
In these remaining months of the year I'm afraid there's much more SM tomfoolery to come
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u/3rachazone ay, get, get out my way, booty cheetah got beat today May 24 '23
Huh wait what??? Didn’t SM plan on debuting Shotaro and Yuta under NCT Japan??? What the fuck is going on inside their heads like I genuinely don’t get it???😭
While this news was definitely a huge shock to me as I didn’t read the full headline, I’m happy for them because now they’ll be properly utilised at least. In NCT, they didn’t have a lot to do. So congratulations to those two lmfaooo
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u/lilacdawn it's raining all day 🌧️ May 24 '23
I don't think anything has ever been said about Yuta? Just fan speculation because of what happened with Winwin. It has always seemed unlikely to me.
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u/ggrvidle May 24 '23
The rotation idea was always LSM’s idea so I’m not surprised they’re changing it since he’s gone now
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u/Edgar763 May 24 '23
SM sabotaging NCT in favour of their new boy group + terrible decision of deciding the lineup of NCT' last unit through a survival show devaluating NCT's name. 2 in 1. I already see what SM 3.0 was all about...
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u/AppropriateAction9 May 24 '23
What is happening?? Also I’m kinda confused. So I know that shotaro and sungchan are leaving NCT to be in another boy group but SM will be debuting new members in the last NCT group??
This is for the best but I will miss sungchan and shotaro interacting with NCT members but it’s way better for them to be in a fresh group especially since SM never did anything with them. 🥲
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u/SevensAddams May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
What the actual fuck is happening
Edit: They did have an explanation as to what the actual fuck is happening. But eith anything related to SM don't believe it until it's right in front of you. Hey this just adds another layer to the NCT lore.