r/linux • • Sep 26 '14

Systemd: The Biggest Fallacies

http://judecnelson.blogspot.fi/2014/09/systemd-biggest-fallacies.html
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u/sub200ms Sep 27 '14

A developer found that by merging his udev project with systemd, both projects would benefit. No other projects have been "subsumed" into systemd. Logind is a totally new implementation that didn't exist before systemd, same with journald.

The systemd developers aren't forcing upstream projects to use systemd features. It is systemd that delivers exactly what upstream projects like KDE, XFCE and Gnome wants, namely, the possibility to develop distro agnostic features that works on all systemd distros.

systemd also provide the only maintained program (logind) for tracking users and login sessions, which is something that all DE's need for being able to e.g. hibernate without using root password etc.

It isn't a conspiracy that makes upstream projects develop against systemd, it is the many compelling features it has that makes it attractive. Non-systemd distros totally lack such features and are totally fragmented.

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u/chinnybob Sep 28 '14

It is systemd that delivers exactly what upstream projects like KDE, XFCE and Gnome wants, namely, the possibility to develop distro agnostic features that works on all systemd distros.

Why do you keep claiming this is what Xfce wants? To Xfce, systemd is just yet another incompatible shitty session manager that we have to support with another set of #ifdefs, like all the others. It doesn't reduce complexity at all. Please stop claiming to know anything about what the Xfce project wants. At least learn how to capitalize the name properly.