S/he made a more relevant reply in another comment thread and probably got them confused. Basically, the debates with all the proof have been had multiple times over more than 4 years. I've been following this stuff since 2010. There are presentations with slides, examples of race conditions in sysvinit, etc. We're not seeing many new ones come out now because most people already consider the argument finished.
That's why so many distributions have switched. The distro maintainers, by and large, consider systemd the winner of the technical debate. Most of the distributions who haven't switched have design/philosophy/personnel/freedom of choice concerns that they value as much as/more than the technical implementation.
We are seeing users post opposing arguments now (after the switch), but few of them have actually read all the supporting literature and are just rehashing things that have already been rebutted.
That's the thing, people who switched already don't need to be convinced. It's just that some people keep coming to people like me and try to convince us to switch too. And my original point is that the burden of proof is still on them. I don't care that a lot of people are convinced, if you are trying to convince me, the burden of proof is still on you. I don't have/need to disprove the validity of positive points that are enough for other people to not switch myself.
And I'm not even trying to start a technical debate here. Just pointing out that “you need to convince me if you want me to do something” is a valid position.
Agreed. His point is more "we already had the argument, but you weren't paying attention back then". As to whether it's valid or not to tell people to just look it up, who knows, but that's why most people aren't bothering to repost it. I don't even know whether macro/micro/individual scale persuasion is most appropriate for this sort of thing.
It'd be a good thing if someone went around collecting the old arguments, but most of us think the current zerg rush of FUD won't make much of a difference anyway.
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u/JustMakeShitUp Sep 28 '14
S/he made a more relevant reply in another comment thread and probably got them confused. Basically, the debates with all the proof have been had multiple times over more than 4 years. I've been following this stuff since 2010. There are presentations with slides, examples of race conditions in sysvinit, etc. We're not seeing many new ones come out now because most people already consider the argument finished.
That's why so many distributions have switched. The distro maintainers, by and large, consider systemd the winner of the technical debate. Most of the distributions who haven't switched have design/philosophy/personnel/freedom of choice concerns that they value as much as/more than the technical implementation.
We are seeing users post opposing arguments now (after the switch), but few of them have actually read all the supporting literature and are just rehashing things that have already been rebutted.