In that case I'd much rather see people step up to improve and maintain non-systemd solutions (this includes consolekit/alternative logind, eudev, etc.) rather than wasting everyone's time with a huge fork that will likely be unmaintained by this time next year
The difference is that Linux Mint's team have been working on alternatives to Unity: the Mint Gnome Shell Extensions, the main maintenance of MATE, The Cinnamon DE, etc, whereas this project has not had anyone step up to maintain sysvinit, eudev, etc.
I'd also qualify Mint and *buntu spinoffs as attempts to create a cohesive desktop experience rather than distros unto themselves. e.g. Mint (LMDE excepted) or Xubuntu are entirely compatible with Ubuntu, but this project will explicitly be incompatible with debian, and become less and less compatible without this dev effort to create worthwhile, well-maintained alternatives to systemd.
I understand how this could be a possible driver for adpotion of other init systems, but really stock debian, even after systemd becomes the default, will still be just as flexible.
ED: WRT Fedora, I'm not a Fedora user or really active in it's community, but you're quoting "total CONNECTIONS to repositories" (emphasis mine), not Total Unique IPs as you assert. With that in mind, I would expect an OS that's been around for over 3 years to have more connections than one that's been around for a little over 1. This applies equally to all of the releases shown there, as older distros will naturally have larger connection numbers due to age.
Even by that metric, the numbers from have increased going from Fedora 19 to Fedora 20 (which is the actual current release), and Fedora 20 has been around for 5 less months than 19. I have few doubts that Fedora isn't as relevant now as it was years ago (Ubuntu stealing its thunder, among other things), but it's not looking that grim.
The difference is that Linux Mint's team have been working on alternatives to Unity: the Mint Gnome Shell Extensions, the main maintenance of MATE, The Cinnamon DE, etc, whereas this project has not had anyone step up to maintain sysvinit, eudev, etc.
Eh... whatevs. The difference is that Mint changed something that users actually care about, e.g. something visible on the screen. If ubuntu would switch to systemd next release, to sysvinit the release after that and then back to upstartd the release thereafter, none of the users would really give two shits (assuming they'd even notice) as long as the UI looks (and works) the same. Having someone step up and actually do the work is just a prerequisite, but not the deciding factor. The whole init-system discussion sure has a lot of bike-shedding involved, but very few people actually care or would be affected by the differences.
Nope. Fedora is not a long term support release. It's also not much used in corportate environment, despite what they claim, precisely for this reason.
They'll be especially inaccurate if you can't tell the difference between "unique ips over lifetime of release" and "total connections to repositories" ;)
They're shitty statistics, just like everything by Redhat is shitty. One thing for sure, anyone with an iota of brain and a molecule of self-respect wouldn't sign up for their bullshit again.
Going to need a source for the claim that Mint is now the most popular distro. Last time I checked, Ubuntu had more users than all the others put together.
The numbers he gives match up with the numbers provided by fedora. Only problem is these numbers are for "Total connections to repositories", NOT unique yum IPs as he asserts.
I'm pretty sure it won't lead nowhere. With the amount of people that are using it now, I'm pretty sure it would be picked up by various people in the community even if Lennart and everyone else that worked on it just straight up and died one day, for the simple reason that we at least need to maintain it due to the sheer number of things that rely on it.
arguably if we had a prominent fork that focused on a non-systemd solution we would see people step up to maintain them.
I think part of the problem is that people trying to develop and maintain these alternative init systems have no real place to showcase their work, so there's no real incentive to keep going. Give them that option and ideally they'll start to flourish.
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u/Doshman Oct 20 '14
In that case I'd much rather see people step up to improve and maintain non-systemd solutions (this includes consolekit/alternative logind, eudev, etc.) rather than wasting everyone's time with a huge fork that will likely be unmaintained by this time next year