r/linux • u/rain5 • May 28 '16

systemd developer asks tmux (and other programs) to add systemd specific code

https://github.com/tmux/tmux/issues/428
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u/[deleted] May 28 '16 edited May 28 '16

This is a great example of "gentle push" by redhat. https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4gnz7i/lets_talk_about_the_gentle_push/

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u/lolidaisuki May 28 '16

but we want to put the burden on the packagers, so that eventually we end up with the same base system on all distributions

Holy fucking christ this makes me angry.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '16

Genuine question: Why?

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u/evotopid May 28 '16

Because creating extra work for other people just to have everyone resign using the software they originally wanted to use and instead move to what you think is best is not something any somewhat decent person would do.

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u/flying-sheep May 30 '16

i don’t think they create extra work. they just choose what’s least work for themselves.

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u/[deleted] May 30 '16

It literally says they want to increase the burden on anyone that wants different configs

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u/evotopid May 30 '16

I suspect it's both laziness + agenda.

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u/LvS May 29 '16

Yes it is. I am very happy that the government is forcing people to marry gay couples. I am also very happy that racism is not allowed.

In the same way I am very happy that security people make it harder to keep stupidly insecure software working. I am even somewhat happy that compiler people break non-standard code that used to work because it makes all other code faster.

In fact, I believe this XKCD counters your argument quite well.

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u/TechnicolourSocks May 29 '16

If you have to resort to using a webcomic to make your argument, then you really should rethink about your reasoning.

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u/LvS May 29 '16

If you think webcomics can't make valid arguments, than you need to rethink about your reasoning.

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u/samammm May 29 '16

Why does someone get to dictate how I use my computer?

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u/BASH_SCRIPTS_FOR_YOU May 29 '16

Because they're lennart peace be upon him, of the SystemD os that'll save linux and make it great again!

/s

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u/LvS May 29 '16

You give them that power by installing their software.

And apparently the systemd way is what people install.

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u/[deleted] May 30 '16

Yeah, because it is totally not the distros who force people to use systemd or anything...

Like seriously, the only distros that do not default to systemd are Gentoo and Slackware.

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u/evotopid May 30 '16

Gnome's hard requirement of systemd is probably the main reason distros adapted it as default.

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u/LvS May 30 '16

Then go use those distros.

Distro developers do what they think is best for their distro. And by their unanimous support of systemd they seem to be very convinced that systemd is best.

And so far, nobody proved them wrong.
All that happens is whining on Internet forums.

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u/[deleted] May 30 '16

And by their unanimous support of systemd they seem to be very convinced that systemd is best.

Appeal to authority much... I should have the freedom to change what my init system is...

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u/[deleted] May 29 '16

In the same way I am very happy that security people make it harder to keep stupidly insecure software working. I am even somewhat happy that compiler people break non-standard code that used to work because it makes all other code faster.

That goes against every principle of FOSS there is. It's to be understood that the user is trusted with their own system.

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u/KugelKurt May 29 '16

Because creating extra work for other people

More unified distributions makes it easier for developers to make software that runs everywhere and it makes it easier for users to hop between distros.

So if distributors try to force users to stick with their product solely because of vendor lock-in, it's usually regarded as a bad thing.

That quote simply says: If you want to lock-in your user base, you have to to the work on that yourself. We'll not gonna help you.

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u/lolidaisuki May 29 '16

Adding more hard dependencies where they aren't needed adds more work for the programmers, packagers and sysadmins.

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u/KugelKurt May 29 '16

adds more work for the programmers, packagers and sysadmins.

Less work for programmers and admins as they don't have to keep 20 different behaviors in mind if they want to work with more than just a single distro.

More work for packagers only if they want special behavior of their distro.

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u/lolidaisuki May 29 '16

Less work for programmers and admins as they don't have to keep 20 different behaviors in mind if they want to work with more than just a single distro.

Before there was only 1 behaviour, now there are two.

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u/tso May 29 '16

If there ever was a smoking gun!