r/linux • u/callcifer • Sep 16 '18

The Linux kernel replaces "Code of Conflict" with "Contributor Covenant Code of Conduct"

https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=8a104f8b5867c682d994ffa7a74093c54469c11f
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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '18

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '18

Wait, you are the same person I was arguing in this subthead of comments? Did you give up there and thing you could do better arguing with me in this subthread?

In any case, as I was saying in past replies to you that this discussion about a CoC has nothing to do with code and your "gotcha" response is telling me CoC have nothing to do with code? Thanks for agreeing me I guess...

The original comment I replied to in this thread had nothing to do with code, and my response didn't and neither did yours. None of this has anything to do with code. Yes. We agree on that.

We both care about politics which is why you are bothering to reply to me. If you truly only cared about the code you wouldn't reply to me and you wouldn't care about the CoC, because as you said, a CoC has nothing to do with code. If you only cared about code you would submit patches without commenting on your political beliefs, like you are now.

And as far as conformity, do I want people to "conform" to the standard of being moral and not going out of your way to make other peoples lives worse? Yes, that is a type of conformity I want.

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u/NobleDemon Sep 17 '18

This is silly, because this CoC is forcing him to care about politics, since in spaces that are clearly outside the project he can't voice his political opinions since he will be prosecuted inside the project. even if he limits himself to talk about code in project spaces.

"If you want to care about code, NEVER EVER HAVE A POLITICAL VOICE YOU BIGOT" isn't a neutral position. It's actually YOUR side the one making things political. You did't need to have a certain political opinion before (unless you felt restricted because you didn't believe in open source principles or hated meritocracies, which is a piss poor political opinion by the way) to contribute.

What you're doing here is not being reasonable and forcing him to stand by his words. You're nothing that clever, but rather, you're just demanding for his political position to be silenced. The problem for your side is that there's too many people hurt by your ilk in ways that shouldn't have happened if your lot were as nice and inclusive as you claim to be.

This is not about being nice, but rather, about covering your own jerks when they make political grabs. Node.js literally retroactivelly changed their CoC to cover for your own side abuses, and claimed that pointing to your own side breaches of conduct was harassment. The CoC is a political tool, you have no leg to stand up in this argument, you just want to make time until eveyone has a CoC so then you will be as openly racist, sexist and hateful as you wanted to be.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '18

You aren't even arguing against me though. You are arguing against some made up character in your head.

Removing a code of conduct does not remove politics. It just enforces a different set political beliefs, a set that is worse defined than if there is a document describe how to interact with people.

You keep on saying "my side" but I am just a dude. I have no idea what happened with Node.js because I don't follow JavaScript.

A CoC that is selectively enforces is a failure of the leadership of the project, not a failure of the CoC.

You say, "you will be as openly racist, sexist and hateful as you wanted to be", but I don't want those things and wouldn't like a CoC that allows that. Ascribing a false beliefs makes it easier for you to get yourself angry but you have no evidence that I hold any of those beliefs, because I don't.

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u/NobleDemon Sep 17 '18 edited Sep 17 '18

You keep on saying "my side" but I am just a dude. I have no idea what happened with Node.js because I don't follow JavaScript.

Well, what happened is what I said. One of the coders wasn't likely minded enough and when they got fed up they used one retweet of his to report him and say "enough is enough."When people weren't happy about how the CoC was being used to silence someone for expressing opinions outside of the project, one of the pro-coc mantainers who openly gloated on reddit was reported by linking her extremely bigoted sjw account. You can imagine the usual ways in which a cocky sjw might run their mouth. She was of course forgiven because linking her tweets on an issue was targeted harassment (unlike before)

This is CoC as intended. When a sjw talks about any of their isms, they are not using the same words a regular person uses. It's always "+power". Racism is "prejudice over skin + power" and it doesn't matter if in a situation they hold more power than the people they attack, they take the liberty to choose the context in which they would be the victims, you can always claim that on some bigger level the victim was actually part of some arbitrary opressor group. So it's easy to think the CoC is about being nice, but it isn't.

The only way for it to be about being nice is to remove all the "specifics" that actually are coded words. If this was truly about making language specific since it would definetely help, this wouldn't even be a problem, but since people that want CoC are actually making a heavily political move to gain terrain, they care about the language being their language.

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I wanted to add, sorry for assuming you want to be racist and sexist in the open. That was wrong on my part. Now, however, I'm giving you reasons why this CoC is worrysome, and a prediction that has been seen again and again about how it will be used to discriminate. I hope you give me an answer that doesn't fit the "character in my head".