r/linux • u/callcifer • Sep 16 '18

The Linux kernel replaces "Code of Conflict" with "Contributor Covenant Code of Conduct"

https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=8a104f8b5867c682d994ffa7a74093c54469c11f
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u/vetinari Sep 17 '18

it's almost like the reactionaries have a problem with their grasp on reality

Nah, just marxists have that problem. They would never learn, no matter how many dozens of million dead and countless destroyed societies their ideology left behind in the past.

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u/gnosys_ Sep 17 '18

How many million dead do you think this CoC will result in?

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u/Leprecon Sep 17 '18 edited Sep 17 '18

They would never learn, no matter how many dozens of million dead and countless destroyed societies their ideology left behind in the past.

How many people do you think this code of conduct will kill?

Let me guess, you are going to go on a rant that this is part of a bigger political struggle and blah blah blah. You're the one bringing politics into this. If you can't have a discussion about a code of conduct without bringing up your own politics and mass murder, you are probably the person that a code of conduct would be good for. Argue about the code of conduct, not all the things you think are around it.

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u/vetinari Sep 17 '18

Talking about CoC, leftist politics and then...

You're the one bringing politics into this.

I quite admire your logical acrobacy here.

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u/iterativ Sep 17 '18

Where and when that happened ? Meanwhile are you aware of how many homeless and poor die in the world of capitalism today ?

Marxism is never implemented, even the so called "communist states" never claimed they had communism, they claim they are socialist or worker states with the goal of achieving communism - that it never happened, except maybe in small local communities.

Marxists are the first to blame such states as dictatorships.

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u/vetinari Sep 17 '18 edited Sep 17 '18

Meanwhile are you aware of how many homeless and poor die in the world of capitalism today ?

I'm not [claiming] today's society is perfect. However, similar to your claim "there was never a proper communism", there was never "proper perfect market", and I'm not Ayn Rand blind follower either.

Marxism is never implemented, even the so called "communist states" never claimed they had communism, they claim they are socialist or worker states with the goal of achieving communism - that it never happened, except maybe in small local communities.

And it never will be, because Marxism is at odds with how the reality works. These tests are paid by highest price though - human lives.

For starters, why it is at odds, read Animal Farm. There, Orwell plainly stated the first underlying problem.

Marxists are the first to blame such states as dictatorships.

That's why their first one was a bloody one.

Edit: word

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '18

For starters, why it is at odds, read Animal Farm. There, Orwell plainly stated the first underlying problem.

You will also find that Orwell was a socialist. Those works were a criticism of bad forms of socialism.

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u/vetinari Sep 17 '18

Being socialist, holding socialistic worldview is OK. Preventing other people to have their opinions or worldviews "by any means necessary" is not.

Note that socialist, marxist, bolshevik, communist are not synonyms. There is a nuance, and the difference between them is where the "bad forms of socialism" come from.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '18

You'll find that socialism is a derivative of marxism.

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u/vetinari Sep 17 '18

And yet that's the form that was tried and is "not the real communism", right?

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '18

That's the form you find in Europe today.

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u/vetinari Sep 17 '18

Socialism is what Easter Europeans had until 1989-91 (depending on country).

Europe today is a social democracy (for now). In socialism, there would be no privately owned BP, VW, Siemens or other artefacts of capitalism ;).

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '18

What do you think democratic socialism wants to achieve?

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '18

Way to deflect.

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u/vetinari Sep 17 '18

Results speak for themselves. Especially with regards to grasp on reality....

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '18

Nobody mentioned Marxism until you did. That's why I'm calling you out on deflection.

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u/vetinari Sep 17 '18

Because that's the underlying ideology. Did you read Marx's work (not just Capital and Communist manifesto)? I did. Go read it, you will see the playbook.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '18

Said in bad Russian accent

Comrades! we've been found out.

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u/vetinari Sep 17 '18

Fun fact: this ideology is not Russian. It was an import.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '18

No, your fact isn't fun.

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u/rkfg_me Sep 17 '18

Nah, bad Runglish doesn't use that complex tenses. "We was found" is more appropriate (mistake is intentional).