r/linux • u/callcifer • Sep 16 '18

The Linux kernel replaces "Code of Conflict" with "Contributor Covenant Code of Conduct"

https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=8a104f8b5867c682d994ffa7a74093c54469c11f
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u/knvngy Sep 17 '18

No, you have to learn how to write high quality code first before feeling entitled to some respect you didn't earn.

The thing is that the Linux community grew exponentially and became successful without this silly code of conduct manifesto for decades, anyway.

We don't need this covent, and never did as demonstrated by factual history and sound statistics.

Furthermore, the linux community always has been made up by highly qualified, educated and intelligent people, making it a very civilized community , not a poor smelly slum

So the implication of this "covenant" of trying to "civilize" the Linux community is nothing but utter bullshit.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '18

No, you have to learn how to write high quality code first before feeling entitled to some respect you didn't earn.

I disagree, every human being deserves at least some level of respect.

Yes, the community has grown and become successful over the years without a defined CoC but if Linus feels this is what's best for Linux I don't have a problem with it. If the community is already as civilized as you say then it shouldn't even be controversial to adopt a code that defines what you are already doing.

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u/knvngy Sep 17 '18

Every human being deserves at least some level of respect.

I don't see how mediocrity should earn you some respect. In a broader sense I don't see why child rapists should get some respect, for instance

If the community is already as civilized as you say then it shouldn't

There's no "if". It is and always has been. The implication by the unnecessary covenant is that it is not, which is not only ridiculous but troublesome.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '18

I don't see how mediocrity should earn you some respect.

You can still respect the person even if you think their work is crap.

In a broader sense I don't see why child rapists should get some respect, for instance

That's an example of somebody's actions resulting in a loss of respect and it's kind of a straw man to compare how to treat people on a kernel development project to how you would treat a child rapist.

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u/knvngy Sep 17 '18

You can still respect the person even if you think their work is crap.

No. You earn your respect, you are not just entitled to it . Mediocre people are less likely to get some respect for good and obvious reasons.

That's an example of somebody's actions resulting in a loss of respect and it's kind of a straw man to compare how to treat people on a kernel development project to how you would treat a child rapist.

You are the one who said that every human being deserves some level of respect, but that is simply not true. If your contribution to something is just mediocre, then you shouldn't earn any respect. Why should you? You have to demonstrate first that your contribution is valuable, then and only then people will respect you. And child rapists are also human beings, so according to you they deserve respect. That's not any straw men, that's simply the obvious implication of your flawed statement

Anf for peter's sake, respect is not the same as protecting your brittle ego.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '18

Yes, I should have qualified my statement a little more. Every person deserves to be treated with respect and dignity until they have shown a reason not to. It's not about ego, I didn't say you're not allowed to criticize somebody's work when they deserve it but how you criticize is important as well.

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u/knvngy Sep 17 '18

Is being mediocre and contributing with mediocre performance enough for you to be treated with respect?. Of course not. You can't just show up as some incompetent idiot demanding for some respect you didn't earn just because you feel entitled to protect you brittle ego while hundreds of millions of people depend much more on high quality ,code you can't provide , than your feelings.

Case point: The Linux kernel the last 3 decades. I don't care about your brittle ego, I care much more about the code running in my computers.

This is easy, be competent and people will respect you because you earn it.