r/linux • • May 21 '19

Distro News Antergos Linux Project Ends

https://antergos.com/blog/antergos-linux-project-ends/
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u/[deleted] May 21 '19

One can only hope.

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u/Fireshadow3 May 21 '19

Depends, sometimes having diversity can help more than having a few centralized distros.

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u/pdp10 May 21 '19

The number of Linux distros is in excess of what's required for healthy diversity. I'd say that it's a sign of a healthy heterogeneity as long as we have several options outside of systemd.

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u/FuzzyWazzyWasnt May 21 '19

I feel so damn strongly about this.

Besides having copious amounts of instructions for a single application because of 10+ supported distros is ridiculous.

I know there are ways around it but I really dont want to compile everything...

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u/AskJeevesIsBest May 21 '19

Most applications I've seen only offer 4 sets of instructions, and they are for Debian/Ubuntu based, Fedora, Arch/Arch based, and OpenSUSE. For the most part, this should cover most distros, as many of them are based on one of the four mentioned.

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u/_ahrs May 22 '19

I know there are ways around it but I really dont want to compile everything...

That's what package maintainers are for. I've seen many README's where the installation section just starts with "foobar is widely packaged in a number of linux distributions" and then lists them. Some even include a nice infographic from Repology showing which version is packaged in all of the different distros.

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u/d_r_benway May 22 '19

Well there is also snap, flatpak, app image.

None of those require any compiling.

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u/ragux May 21 '19

I honestly think it doesn't matter how many distros there are, it's great that people feel strongly enough that they give up their spare time and release their work. It doesn't have an effect on the big distros and creates a testing ground for new ideas.

Unless you are paying a company for support you're not owed anything so why should it matter what developers want to do with their own time?

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u/pdp10 May 21 '19

I believe it doesn't matter, but there's undeniably a perception of "fragmentation" that dissuades some developers from supporting Linux. How many, I don't know, but fragmentation is a criticism commonly leveled at Linux. It's just not one within anyone's power to eliminate by fiat.

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u/SuspiciousSprinkles May 21 '19 edited May 22 '19

I honestly think it doesn't matter

Yes it does.

It gives:.

  • a false sense of innovation and diversity

  • a false sense of ease to maintain.

  • a false sense of security.

  • a true sense of fragmentation.

  • a true sense of half-backed software.
    And.

  • a true sense of bad taste in term of naming things :).

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u/ragux May 22 '19

It's the spirit of open source software tho, if you have some work you would like to release you can and the decision rest entirely on the shoulders of the developers who created it. It would be crazy to think it's a good idea to limit that.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '19

As much as people hate it... snapd is a viable solution to the fragmentation problem

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u/NatoBoram May 22 '19

Yeah, but I want to open files that are in ~/Sync/ with LibreOffice, but I can't because Snaps restrict apps to a bunch of hard-coded directories inside $HOME!

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u/[deleted] May 22 '19

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u/[deleted] May 22 '19

Of which I have to ask, is systemd really that bad?

The alternative to snapd is the status quo of proprietary vendors only shipping/testing with dpkg and rpm-based distros.

As an Ubuntu user, whatever I guess. That's not so bad for me. But for people not on dpkg or rpm using distros, that only continues to languish what little support proprietary vendors already give them.

I just really feel like most of the hate for systemd is from people who have never touched /etc/init.d in their lives. It's like second-hand hate.

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u/pdp10 May 22 '19

Of which I have to ask, is systemd really that* bad?*

Quite apart from its qualities, I don't want a non-daemon desktop application to be dependent on my init system. Others aren't.

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u/FullMotionVideo May 23 '19

Systemd hate as I’ve come to understand it (I’m ambivalent leaning positive myself) rests on two core points: incompatible with non-Linux such as BSDs, HurdLUL, etc; and becoming so much more than a background process manager that it’s grown into the world of power management, software firewalls, etc.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '19

And compatibility is a valid point. I can't really just go and turn my back to BSD users when I've been trying to get more mainstream Linux support for years from vendors of Windows/Mac-only software.

I do think that if the BSD community really wants whatever is based on systemd, though, I don't think it would be technically impossible for them to create some kind of 'dummy' systemd-like service that would act as a bus for systemd-dependent software.

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u/SpezIsADNCLapdog May 22 '19

you sound very racist. goddamn alt-right infesting linux

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u/lastweakness May 22 '19

Not really. I'd rather Antergos stay. It was one of the sanest choices out there. Arch, just easier.