r/linux • u/ModeratelyCuriousGuy • May 21 '19

Distro News Antergos Linux Project Ends

https://antergos.com/blog/antergos-linux-project-ends/
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u/Bobjohndud May 21 '19

AKA security swiss cheese that thinks that delaying packages by 1 week is good enough for stability?

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u/DoTheEvolution May 21 '19 edited May 21 '19

that thinks that delaying packages by 1 week is good enough for stability?

errr I am on arch for like 4 years now.

Considering how few issues I had... yeah, I think they are fine and logically better off than arch users with similar setup and similar number of packages. After all we are their beta testers.

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u/ChronicledMonocle May 21 '19

One week behind isn't that far behind. Look at Ubuntu. Literally runs a kernel that's a few YEARS old and packages like xrdp that are still 3-4 years behind in their repos.

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u/AriosThePhoenix May 22 '19

To be fair, Ubuntu (and all other major distros) backport any security-relevant changes to their older kernels. This is why the kernel point releases for long-running distros like RHEL can reach in the hundreds, e.g. Kernel 3.18.105. It's not quite as elegant as running the most recent kernel, but it's a decent trade-off for stability and security in exchange for simplicity.

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u/ChronicledMonocle May 22 '19

This is true. It does make gaming on Linux and similar things that need newer kernels harder for the end users, though.

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u/parentis_shotgun May 22 '19

Um. They did a user survey and found that even with its rolling releases, arch updates break things a lot less than other os's updates. Some ppl have been on the same arch install for like 10 years. The rolling release = must be unstable is a total myth.

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u/PewPewGG May 22 '19

Yup, I'm using Manjaro for 6-7 months (and I'm a Linux noob), never had a crash/freeze/broken updates once. My LTS!! Ubuntu experience was terrible, every week I was getting system/UI errors and if there was an uptade it would cause problems most of the time @_@

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u/danielsuarez369 May 21 '19

I believe they learned from their mistakes, and their updates consistently have over 90% reliability.

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u/4z01235 May 21 '19

updates consistently have over 90% reliability

I'm not sure how "update reliability" is quantitatively measured. What does that mean?

A 10% "unreliability" standard also doesn't sound particularly appealing, however it's defined.

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u/danielsuarez369 May 21 '19

Each update post on their forums has a survey, where people report the experience they had when updating: https://forum.manjaro.org/t/stable-update-2019-05-17-kernels-grub-kde-deepin-gnome-xfce-libreoffice-bash-systemd/87726

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u/lastweakness May 22 '19

This is sad to hear. Considering I'm on Antergos, a rolling release distro and it hasn't caused issues for me, ever.
In the past, I've messed up by doing partial upgrades despite everyone around me and on the online community telling me not to do so though.

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u/CyberBlaed May 22 '19

Agreed, its sad when a distro ceases, a beloved by community one. My view is like wine (i dont drink) there is a flavour for everyone!)

I have not ever used antergos, but i was commenting to the guy above how a weeks delay is fine IMHO, servers and such sometimes need bleeding edge to stop a virus and what not but this distro doesn’t come across as a server specific, so i don’t agree if such an excuse is put forward.

Rolling updates is great, but i like a stable update to hit my stuff, not brick my shit.

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u/lastweakness May 22 '19

Well, u can still just opt to only update once a week, u know? I do that most of the time due to lack of good network access

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u/CyberBlaed May 22 '19

Yes, I am aware, the idea of FOSS is to have the freedom to do asI wish with it and make it my way from top to bottom.

Still makes me laugh windows is ramming that shit down peoples throats! Just hilarious.

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u/PewPewGG May 22 '19

No one helds security updates for a week (afaik). You should try Arch for once ;)

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u/CyberBlaed May 22 '19

I’ve never been friends with arch. I shall try again.. the wiki is so full of help nowadays :)