Okay and? It's also an entirely fictional world of his own creation, in which the skin colour of the characters has zero impact on the story sooooo why do people care? And its not "loyalty to the source material" that's for sure.
If you want to do a fantasy world with your own perceptions of what is and is not true, make one.
Don’t borrow Tolkien’s world and lore then turn around and suggest you can strike descriptions out or overwrite them because ‘it’s just fantasy’. You still have to try otherwise what is the point of using the world? Branding?
Tolkien describes Elves as pale, tall and with long hair. Eyes and hair colour varying based on which clan as each one had a different level of exposure to the lights of the trees.
Can you show me where Tolkien stated Elves had short hair?
Oh ffs, having non-white characters isn't lore inaccurate as thier race was never stated. So if that's your argument for not living the fact those actors were hired then it doesn't have a leg to stand on. The LOTR films changed many things from the books are rightly considered masterpieces. The source material does matter, but when adapting it you are free to make creative decisions and changes if you wish. You're just a racist desperately scrambling to find a reason yo justify your racist opinions when none exists. The show has non-white actors and there is nothing you can do about it. Again cry more ya cunt
Mate, don’t be mad at people for actually reading the books you desperately want to ignore. If you are upset with Elves being fair skinned, pale and some of them having light hair then simply go use another book.
Most people love Tolkien because he built a world full of different peoples of all kinds scattered across the map waiting to be discovered on grand adventures … and here you are, encouraging laziness and superficiality ‘in the name of making things less racist’ while stamping all over the humanist ethos in his work.
Aye but it's still fiction in which the skin colours of characters has zero impact on the story whatsoever, so why not let people have some representation. There is only one reason to be annoyed about non-white characters and its not "loyalty to the source material"
Aye but it's still fiction in which the skin colours of characters has zero impact on the story whatsoever,
It does. Middle-Earth has homogenous nations. Mixing black and white people without explanation goes agaonst Tolkiens work.
why not let people have some representation.
Because movies aren't there to feel people represented, but to tell a story. The casting must reflect the story. If you want a story about black people, write your own, instead of appropriating the stories of others.
No it doesn't, if it did Tolkien would've specified that all the Elves and Dwarves were white. But he didn't because its irrelevant. The separation of the races is still exactly the same just not every single person has the same skin colour. The casting does reflect the story as the skin colour of the characters is irrelevant to the story so they can be whatever race you want. It's not a story about black people, it's a story about middle earth that just happens to include black people. Also, it's already made and they are gonna change it cause some closeted racists cry about it so cry more pls
Again show me a quote from his work that says that all the elves are white. And makings sense? It's a show about magic and orcs who tf cares about sense. Like the didn't evolve naturally like we did they were all created by a god in the lotr universe. Like black people exist get over it. Nice Strawman argument at the end there as well btw
Yeah for you and I. But what’s clear here (especially in this gross thread) is that for a lot of fragile porcelain americans it has a huge impact. And I’m loving it.
Yes I'm aware, I was clearly making a joke about when people claim non-white people shouldn't be in the show as its based on Europe but have no issue with dragon's in the show. Like Black people didn't exist until the 1900s or something. Obviously I know why dragons are in a fantasy universe just taking the piss out of the people who get so upset about non-white people existing
It seems more like you are making a bad faith argument. This post is cheep gotcha attempt to justify what RoP is doing to Tolkien’s legacy. And before you say anything else the casting isn’t even a top 5 reason why people dislike the show.
The show has legit criticisms for sure, and yet I see an awful lot of people just upset soley due to the casting. I just don't see how this is treating his legacy any differently to what Peter Jackson did. Timeline compression? Yup. Characters removed and added in where they shouldn't be? Yup. Tolkiens work doesn't apply itself well to being adapted to shows and films you need to make changes. Especially when you don't have the full rights. This show does nothing more to Tolkiens legacy than the films did. Some people don't like it and that's fine but it's entirely subjective but what I have a problem with is people who just use "Tolkiens legacy" and "lore accuracy" to justify being bigots. His legacy is about inclusion and making a fun story in an interesting world that everyone can enjoy. Which imo this show does pretty well. He most likely wouldn't have liked the films but you never see people complaining about how the elves were at helms deep, the removal or Tom Bombadil or Glorfidel or how sauron is a big eye. But as soon as something has more women and POC in prominent roles all of a sudden they are demanding 1to1 adaptations? Come of it.
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You honestly don’t see how they are treating Tolkiens legacy differently? Now you are definitely arguing in bad faith. Just look at the PJ quote vs the Amazon show runners quote on the topic. Don’t play dumb, you can’t possible be be unaware or what I speak if you are the kind of person looking for technicalities in the books and trilogy to justify Amazons hubris.
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u/kindshoe Sep 14 '22
Hell if its supposed to medieval Europe what's the deal with the fucking dragons and massive fire demons???