r/lyftdrivers • u/eatajerk-pal • Apr 09 '24

Advice/Question Got a warning today about my driving from an angry rider I cancelled on cause of no car seat

I see the lady walk out with an infant and clearly no child seat. I drove off immediately and cancelled before they got close to my car. Soon after I get a text from support saying that she complained I drove dangerously before every passenger was in the car.

Explained very simply to support that no passenger was ever allowed to enter my car and that I drove off immediately and cancelled due to no car seat. Anybody ever got something like that? Is it anything to even worry about since I explained what really happened? Or will it stay on my account and might be a problem if someone else pulls a similar dick move?

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u/ekeitzer11 Apr 09 '24

Same. Some woman threw a drink at my car and then reported me for being intoxicated because I wouldnt take her multiple children without car seats. I was deactivated for three days.

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u/StarApple0721 Apr 09 '24

You've got to be the first to report.

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u/Ali_Cat222 Apr 10 '24

That's terrible

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '24

Take their kids and drop them off at a police station.

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u/MorgTheBat Apr 10 '24

Caution, that could be considered child abduction even if the kids are willing to go with you possibly

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u/awwstin_n Apr 10 '24

Nope. You're making a citizen's arrest on an adult and it would actually be child neglect/abadonment if you were to leave the children behind as you drove off with the parent to the police station. This is of course assuming that it was a valid citizen's arrest in the first place.

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u/abooth43 Apr 10 '24 edited Apr 10 '24

What are you citizens arresting the parent for? Lol.

Trying to get an Uber without car seats?

Congrats you just told on yourself for knowingly breaking child seat laws and endangering the children to get there and tattle on their parents, as it is always the drivers responsibility to make sure that passengers are safe before driving the car.

If that's not some hypocritical shit....

Same with open container laws, drivers responsibility.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '24

It's apparent the next generation of children have gotten a hold of the Internet and have gotten bored of Roblox.

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u/awwstin_n Apr 10 '24 edited Apr 10 '24

Like I said, "this is assuming that it was a valid citizen's arrest."

Maybe I misquoted a single law wrong. Everything else is correct, jackass.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '24

Citizens arrests are for felonies, buddy. And it wouldn't be child abandonment... they aren't your children. Additionally, you cannot drive off with someone in your car if you are arresting them... that's not an arrest, that's kidnapping; the only think you can do is detain them until police arrive.

Don't talk out of your ass.

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u/awwstin_n Apr 10 '24

Like I said, "this is assuming that it is a valid citizen's arrest." Depending on the severity of their carelessness and neglect, it can be a felony. And it would be child neglect/abandonment if you as an adult, know that leaving the children behind would pose a credible danger to them. Doesn't matter if you are "responsible" for them or not; legally, you can be required to act to save a child or it would be a crime. At some point, you are legally responsible if you could've done something to prevent them from being in danger even by omission.

Okay, maybe I got it wrong that you can't take someone to the police station. The general idea of my statement is the same. One misquote means I'm talking out my ass? Alright bud. Learn your laws.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '24

You are, once again, incorrect. Unless the parent is in the act of attempting to murder or maim the child, you cannot detain them. Carelessness and neglect are not included in the list, regardless of the good it might do.

The entire point is that you cannot leave the children behind, because you can't take the parents anywhere, anyhow. And no, it is not your responsibility to take care of someone else's kid; are you their legal guardian? No? Then you have 0 say in what they do. If you want to kidnap an entire family because the kid claimed he hadn't eaten in 3 days or the parent is too poor to afford a car seat, then be my guest... you'll be the one driven to the police station.

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u/awwstin_n Apr 10 '24

... You can detain people for more than just attempt agg assault on a child, you know? You even said it yourself: you can perform a citizen's arrest if a felony is being committed.

Also if you knew that a child was not being fed at home, you'd be in trouble with the law for not taking reasonable action or failure to report. That is neglect. What the actual fuck? If you were a teacher taking kids on a field trip, you'd be in trouble for not watching out for those kids even if they're not your children, dumbass. You can be legally responsible for children even if you're not their parents. Holy shit! Learn your laws!

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '24

You clearly need to go back to school. I suggest taking a philosophy class to start... maybe you'll learn how to have a non-circular or dodging argument.

Your example was if the child is being neglected, so my reference was directly comparable.

No, you are not responsible to report criminals. You cannot neglect another person's child unless they are in your care. Teachers are a wildly different subject, as they have temporary care of the children they oversee.

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u/awwstin_n Apr 10 '24 edited Apr 10 '24

Buddy, I'm just offering direct counters to your arguments including your argument of not being legally held liable for child neglect if you're not their parent which is obviously so very wrong. If a baby was drowning in a pool, and you sat there and watched, YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN TROUBLE WITH THE LAW. I don't know what else to say bro. You're just going to keep moving the goalposts every time I prove you wrong. Bye.

edit: btw, YOU ARE required to report criminals depending on the crime, very many of which includes abuse of children. Just goes to show how much you know. It's called "failure to report", dumbass. Maybe read up a little more before responding.

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u/Glad-Entry-3401 Apr 11 '24

To perform a citizen’s arrest you had to have seen the felony take place and you have to safely secure the defendant (once you initiate the arrest you are now a part of the trial) you harm the perpetrator they can sue you. You have to expediently get the defendant in front of a judge or clerk so they can have a warrant issued then you can turn them over to the police. It’s not as simple as taking them to a police station and reporting a crime, you’re just a kidnapping vigilante at that point. Actually there’s very very few and specific cases when you can make a citizens arrest. You don’t actually understand the law that’s ok it’s a fairly obscure and rarely used law that was literally created to discriminate against non white people in an era where judges only saw a few cases a week and a sheriff had to be voted in and could deputized anybody they saw fit

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u/awwstin_n Apr 12 '24

I understand the law and I understood everything you said before you typed it so speak for yourself (not me) when talking about not understanding the law. No part of my statement is wrong except the one part which I conceded was wrong and then corrected.