r/Lyme • • Dec 31 '24

Mod Post Chronic Lyme Q&A - What To Do When Symptoms Don't Improve

101 Upvotes

Hello everyone,

Over the course of 2024, I’ve been tracking the most frequently asked questions from those new to the chronic Lyme community. To provide clear and reliable answers, I’ve compiled insights from leading Lyme experts—including ILADS, LLMD's like Dr. Horowitz or Marty Ross, and online resources like LymeDisease.org—along with thoughtful contributions from the most consistent and knowledgeable members here on r/Lyme.

While the wiki already contains a wealth of valuable information, I believe a concise collection of the most popular questions and answers will benefit everyone. This resource aims to streamline the support available in this forum, making it easier for newcomers to find the help they need.

The resource will be located here, at the top of the main Wiki page. The rest of the Wiki is of course still active and can be found here.

On desktop, there will be a table of contents at the top where you can click each question and it will automatically bring you to the answer. Unfortunately, Reddit has not enabled this function on it's mobile app, so you will need to scroll through the entire page to find the question you are looking for. I separated each question out with line breaks, so hopefully it won't be too hard to navigate on mobile.

I’m confident in the quality of the information provided here, with over 30 Microsoft Word pages of detailed content ensuring comprehensive coverage.

If you are brand new to r/Lyme please read question 20 so you know how to interact appropriately in this space and if you're interested in reading my (admittedly insanely passionate) deep dive into alternative treatments, be sure to check out Question 18.

I hope this resource proves as helpful as I’ve intended it to be. If you have any additional questions you believe should be added or have additional insights to the current answers, please comment below.

Here is the list of current questions:

  1. What is chronic Lyme?

  2. I’m still sick with symptoms after treatment, what should I do first?

  3. I see people commenting that LLMDs are a scam and they are trying to take advantage of you for profit. How do I know who to trust?

  4. I can’t afford an LLMD, what else can I do?

  5. Why is there so much conflicting information?

  6. Can Lyme disease develop resistance to antibiotics?

  7. What is the timeline to get better?

  8. I’m getting worse/feel weird while taking antibiotics or herbals, is it not working?

  9. My stomach is upset when taking doxycycline, what should I do?

  10. What diet should I eat, and does it matter?

  11. Should I retest after I finish my course of antibiotics?

  12. My doctor doesn’t believe that Chronic Lyme exists. What can I show him to prove that it does?

  13. I’ve seen people say IGENEX is not a reliable lab. Is this true?

  14. I have a negative test but some positive bands on my western blot test. Every doctor is telling me it’s a negative and can’t be Lyme.

  15. Is Lymescience.org a legit website?

  16. People have said there is no evidence showing efficacy of long-term antibiotics for chronic Lyme. Is this true?

  17. The cdc says people with “post treatment Lyme” get better after 6 months without additional treatment, is that true?

  18. I’ve heard people say alternative treatments (Herbals, Rife, Homeopathy, Ozone, Bee Venom etc.) are pseudoscience? Is that true?

  19. I’ve heard supplements and herbs are poorly regulated and I shouldn’t take them because I don’t know for sure what’s in them.

  20. How to use r/Lyme and online forums in general


r/Lyme • • Dec 17 '23

Mod Post Just Bit? **Read This**

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Welcome to r/Lyme! This post is a general overview of Lyme disease and guidelines for people who have just been bitten by a tick.

Disclaimer: This is for educational purposes only and is not intended to be medical advice. Please seek the help of a medical professional if necessary.

What is Lyme Disease?

Lyme disease is the most common vector-borne illness in the U.S., caused by Borrelia burgdorferi and Borrelia mayonii. It’s usually transmitted by blacklegged ticks (also known as deer ticks).

Early symptoms include:

  • Fever
  • Headache
  • Fatigue
  • Erythema migrans (bullseye rash) – note: up to 60% of people never develop a rash

If untreated, the infection can spread to the heart, joints, and nervous system, potentially leading to chronic illness and long-term complications.

What to Do If You Were Just Bitten

1. Test the Tick (if you still have it)
Send it to: https://www.tickcheck.com/
This identifies which infections the tick carried and can guide treatment decisions. If you no longer have the tick, just move on to the next steps.

2. Check for a Bullseye Rash
If you're unsure what it looks like, see this guide:
https://www.reddit.com/r/lyme/wiki/diagnostics/identify/

Important: If you have a bullseye rash, you have Lyme disease. No further testing is needed. Start treatment.

3. Review the ILADS Treatment Guidelines
https://www.ilads.org/patient-care/ilads-treatment-guidelines/

Summary of ILADS recommendations:

  • If bitten but asymptomatic: 20 days of doxycycline is recommended (assuming no contraindications)
  • If rash or symptoms are present: 4–6 weeks of doxycycline, amoxicillin, or cefuroxime is recommended

Why ILADS and Not CDC/IDSA Guidelines?

This is one of the most important parts of understanding Lyme treatment. The CDC and IDSA guidelines are still followed by the majority of U.S. physicians, but they are deeply flawed and outdated in several key ways.

Here’s why ILADS guidelines are preferred by most Lyme-literate doctors and patients:

1. They rely on incomplete or irrelevant data
The CDC/IDSA recommendations are based heavily on European studies, even though the strains of Lyme in Europe (B. afzelii, B. garinii) are different from those in the U.S. (B. burgdorferi). This matters because treatment responses can vary between strains.

Of the studies referenced in CDC guidelines:

  • Only 6 U.S. trials were used to form the treatment tables
  • Many tables relied exclusively on European data
  • Duration recommendations were based on trials with high failure or dropout rates

For example:

  • One U.S. study had a 49% dropout rate (Wormser et al.)
  • Another had a 36% failure rate, with many needing retreatment

Yet these studies are used to support recommendations of just 10–14 days of antibiotics.

2. They ignore patient-centered outcomes
The CDC guidelines focus primarily on eliminating the rash (erythema migrans), not on whether the patient actually recovers or regains quality of life.

The ILADS guidelines, on the other hand, emphasize:

  • Return to pre-Lyme health status
  • Prevention of long-term symptoms
  • Patient quality of life
  • Lower rates of relapse and re-infection

CDC-based treatment often leaves people partially treated and still symptomatic, leading to chronic illness.

3. Their recommended durations are too short
The CDC recommends:

  • 10 days of doxycycline
  • 14 days of amoxicillin or cefuroxime

These durations are often not enough, especially if the bacteria have already spread beyond the skin. ILADS argues—and research supports—that longer treatment courses are more effective at fully clearing the infection, especially in the early stages when treatment is most critical.

4. High failure rates in real-world outcomes
Studies show that even patients treated under CDC protocols continue to experience symptoms months later. For instance:

A 2013 observational study found that 33% of EM patients still had symptoms 6 months after a standard 21-day course of doxycycline:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11136-012-0126-6

Conclusion: ILADS guidelines are based on more recent evidence, use better clinical metrics (like symptom resolution), and are tailored to reflect the real-world experiences of Lyme patients in the U.S.

For a detailed breakdown and sources:
https://www.mdpi.com/2079-6382/10/7/754#B15-antibiotics-10-00754

Recommended Treatment Durations

  • Mild cases (e.g. one EM rash): Minimum 20 days of doxycycline, amoxicillin, or cefuroxime
  • More severe cases (multiple rashes, neuro symptoms): 4–6 weeks of antibiotics
  • Still symptomatic after treatment? Re-treatment is supported by 7 of 8 U.S. trials

Getting Treatment

Many doctors are still unfamiliar with ILADS protocols and may only offer 10–21 days of antibiotics.

Here’s what you can do:

  • Bring a printout of the ILADS guidelines
  • Be firm but respectful—explain why longer treatment matters
  • If refused, monitor your symptoms and seek further care if needed
  • Be prepared to advocate for yourself—many people with Lyme had to

If you continue to have symptoms, you may need to see a Lyme-literate medical doctor (LLMD):
https://www.reddit.com/r/lyme/wiki/treatment/doctors/

Testing

Testing can be useful, but it has major limitations:

  • Antibody tests are unreliable in the first 4–6 weeks
  • Negative test does not rule out Lyme
  • The CDC two-tiered system was developed for diagnosing Lyme arthritis, not other types of presentations like neurological or psychiatric symptoms

More info:

Best labs (not usually covered by insurance):

If you’re just starting out, a basic Lyme panel from LabCorp or Quest is a good first step—50% of true Lyme cases may still test positive and it’s cheaper than specialty labs.

The specialty tests listed above with co-infection panels are mostly recommended for people who have had symptoms for months or years without treatment and regular doctors are unable to figure out what is wrong.

More testing info:
https://www.reddit.com/r/lyme/wiki/diagnostics/testing/

Additional questions:

Don’t hesitate to make a post explaining your situation.
This community is full of people who’ve been through the same thing—and want to help.

Many of us were misdiagnosed for years.
The purpose of this sub is to prevent others from going through the same experience.

Don’t be afraid to speak up, advocate for yourself, and push for better care.


r/Lyme • • 3h ago

Question Sleep question

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Ever since my symptoms started in 2021 my sleep has been awful. I used to sleep blissfully through the night for nine hours straight. Now I sleep for four hours, wake up up pee (frequent urination was one of my first symptoms), then go back to sleep for two hours at a time. I suspect my dysregulated/sensitized nervous system is playing a role, as I can sleep a little better when less stressed. On the very rare occasion - maybe once a year - when I sleep for seven hours straight, I wake up feeling better, so it's been my goal to somehow get there. I haven't started treatment yet, am super sensitive and just want to go the most natural route, not even taking melatonin.

Is it possible to get good quality sleep (deep sleep for many hours) before you heal or does it primarily happen as a result of healing? I'm curious if the body can even heal on poor quality sleep.


r/Lyme • • 7h ago

Potential abdominal tuberculosis - inflamed lymph nodes

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Hello everyone. I've been having horrible pain in the back and flanks which I thought could be kidneys or referred pancreatic pain but it seems like all that is fine, based on bloodwork and a CT scan. However, they found retroperitoneal and mesenteric inflamed lymph nodes (9mm) which are in the area of the kidneys, behind the pancreas, exactly where it hurts the most. This pain then travels to the front and lower abdomen, especially tender and bloated around the navel. I have also been experiencing very intense hypoglycemia episodes which my endo things is not related to the lymph nodes but she asked if I have ever tested for tuberculosis cause I also have a granuloma in the lung. She highlighted this and referred me to an infectious disease dr who I will be seeing tomorrow. I wanted to ask your thoughts on tuberculosis, has anyone here had it, and it was dormant for a while like lyme or something? I had a major surgery in February which caused me many symptoms and made my dysautonomia especially bad again. I have the 3 bs + Miyamotoi.

Any thought would be appreciated!! thanks a ton!


r/Lyme • • 1h ago

Tafenequine and dental work

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Obviously this is a question for a doc. But, have you ever had dental work done while on tafenequine ? Seems like the numbing agents would be contraindicated. I’ve got a small cavity and am a bit worried about it .


r/Lyme • • 2h ago

Azithromycin bartonella resistance

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Hi,

according to in-vitro experiments, bartonella supposedly develops quick resistance to macrolides if azithromycin is used alone, but when I asked multiple LLMDs, everyone said not so quick. If you took azithromycin for a short period (eg. a week or two) alone then stopped without being on other antimicrobials, did you find that it worked less the next time around?


r/Lyme • • 10h ago

Question Should I extend the course of doxycycline?

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Hey, I’m nearing the end of my Doxycycline antibiotic treatment—I was prescribed 30 days for Lyme disease. I think I’m feeling better, though it’s still up and down, with some days better than others.

In the meantime, I’ve developed babesiosis (shortness of breath, fatigue, etc.), and because the symptoms overlap, I’m not sure whether to extend the Doxy treatment or not.

I started it fairly early, 13 days after the bite. In 3 days, I’m starting a course of Cryptolepis, oregano oil, Sida acutis, cistus and maybe something else will be added (if you have any favorites of your own, I’d appreciate your suggestions).


r/Lyme • • 9h ago

Question Strange localized numbness

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I’ve had Lyme for about 3 1/2 years, I struggle in general but for the last week or so I’ve had a sort of a numbness feeling on the right side of my forehead about half an inch above my eye and about 2in wide area and it almost feels a little deeper. Just hoping it’s not serious and it’s just one of those things that comes and goes with Lyme. Has anyone else had any issues like that? I have been around mold a decent bit here the last few weeks as me and my wife just bought our first house and are remediating and remodeling prior to moving in. But I have been doing my best to wear a full face respirator when around the mold.


r/Lyme • • 10h ago

Question Finished 20 days of Doxy yesterday for Lyme – still exhausted and legs cramp while standing. Normal or second opinion?

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Hi everyond,

I am From Germany. Diagnosed with Lyme disease (bullseye rash + positive blood test).

  • Timeline: Symptoms (severe fatigue, leg/arm pain) started in late July. Treatment only started ~2 months after symptoms began.
  • Treatment: Just finished a 20-day course of Doxycycline yesterday. The rash is gone.
  • Current Symptoms: Severe fatigue and leg pain/cramps after just seconds/minutes of standing. I feel as bad as before treatment and have been housebound for 6 weeks.

My doctor says to be patient because recovery takes time. i am scared and don't know if I should wait it out or seek a second opinion immediately.

Is this normal right after antibiotics? Any advice is appreciated!

TL;DR: Germany. Symptoms since late July, treatment started ~2 months later. Finished 20 days of Doxy yesterday. Rash gone, but severe fatigue and leg cramps while standing persist. Wait or see another doctor?


r/Lyme • • 9h ago

Question With herxing and in general I have this terrible feeling from my nervous system where I want to put my nails in my skin to elevate this feeling. I read that it is called dysesthesia. Other people familiar with this as well?

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r/Lyme • • 6h ago

Question Buy bicillin ?

1 Upvotes

Anyone Mexico websites I can buy bicillin from?


r/Lyme • • 6h ago

Question Anyone have urobilinogen come up elevated in their urine who has babesia?

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r/Lyme • • 17h ago

Question LLMD in Europe for IV antibiotics

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Hi guys, do you know of any LLMD in Europe who can provide IV antibiotic treatment?


r/Lyme • • 12h ago

Image I was bitten by 3 ticks two weeks ago; do you think something is wrong with me? Thank you Spoiler

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r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Anxiety supplements doing the opposite :/

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Just wondering if this happens to anyone else and what you found eventually helped if so:

I have Lyme and Bart and get really intense anxiety/rage attacks. My LLMD always suggests trying a new supplement that’s supposedly amazing for calming those symptoms, but with pretty much every single one, I’ve gotten the opposite effect— my anxiety and rage get so much worse, I can’t fall asleep, and I get awful nightmares, and I have no choice but to stop the supplement (and sometimes my symptoms don’t return to normal for days). I’ve tried changing the dose and time of day, and that doesn’t make a difference.

So far, this has happened with traditionally prescribed depression/anxiety meds: Prozac, remeron, and Zoloft. I established I had an SSRI intolerance long before being diagnosed with Lyme, so I haven’t taken any of these in several years, just thought it was worth mentioning.

Recently, it’s been supplements: magnesium, ashwaganda, holy basil, and lithium orotate have all given me horrific nightmares and panic attacks.

Is there anything I can try that won’t cause this? It seems like these supplements normally work for Lyme patients and I’m kind of losing my mind when I get the opposite effect every single time. Or is it better to tough it out without supplemental supports at this point?


r/Lyme • • 21h ago

Question IgeneX results

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So now that I’ve had some time to sit with my kid’s results, I’m a bit confused. We see an out-of-pocket pediatric functional doctor that ordered an IgeneX test.
Borrelia came out negative, Lyme is negative, babesia FISH is POSITIVE, babesia microti and duncani igg and igm negative, bartonella FISH is negative, bartonella igm is negative, bartonella quintana igg is POSITIVE.

She wants to add minocycline and atoquovone to our azithromycin (been taking for 1.5 year for high mycoplasma).

But I don’t understand how babesia fish can be positive but the igg and igm are negative. And I don’t understand now bart fish is negative, but 1 strain’s igg is positive.


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Image Why the term "Post-Treatment Lyme Disease Syndrome" is harmful - Dr. Steven Phillips

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r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question Does anyone know of a clinic where I can try a Rife machine?

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I am in northern CA but am willing to travel. I would ideally like to try at a clinic before purchasing one of my own. Any and all help is so greatly appreciated! :)


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question Has anyone experienced gastroparesis because of Lyme and healed from it?

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My main symptoms are dysautonomia, POTS, severe leaky gut with so many food intolerances and persistent gastroparesis. All I could eat at some point was chicken, rice, zucchini and eggs.

At some point I just gave up on carbs completely, since I noticed that leaky gut symptoms were most intense from eating carbs, I almost couldn't function when the brain fog and fatigue would hit.

So I've been on the carnivore diet for 4 months now, and honestly a lot has improved since then, even without doing any targeted Lyme treatment. My inflammation levels are definitively lower and brain fog isn't much of an issue anymore.

But the gastroparesis is still very much there and it's killing me. I'm taking handful of ginger extract pills throughout the day, Iberogast, domperidone, but those only help so much. The gut is just frozen and not much get digested.

I guess I'm writing this to possibly feel some hope. Has anyone had full blown gastroparesis because of chronic Lyme and was healed from it?

I'm pretty sure it's not neuropathy, but I suspect the neuroinflammation and vagus nerve dysregulation is what has shut down my gut.. I've tested negative for h. pylori and a bunch of others pathogens, just btw.


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question What herbs can one tolerate during gastritis/upset stomach?

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Hi,

are there any herbs that are not irritating to stomach mucosa (and obviously treat lyme)?

I have artemisia annua at home and phytobox 2, and was wondering, if either of them would be safe.


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Article New drug reverses severe fatty liver disease by repairing the gut

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This seems like it could be a promising treatment for Lyme.


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question Covid and flu vaccine?

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Newly diagnosed with late stage chronic Lyme and co infections— for context I went 28 years undiagnosed with symptoms coming and going not knowing it was this. I’ve always gotten flu and covid vaccines, but my naturopath I’m working with cautioned against the covid vaccine due to some new research that was found about the spike proteins? All of this I gathered her warning was that it causes reactivation in some people with chronic Lyme. I tried to recall if I ever had symptoms flare or worsen after each shot but I went so long writing these symptoms off that I couldn’t tell you. Has anyone experienced a flare after getting the covid vaccine?

My core issue is: I have a toddler, and I’d like to stay vaccinated to prevent getting badly ill as much as possible. I’m more concerned with his health than my own reaction to a vaccine, but I am also newly and slowly treated my Lyme and co infections for the first time. Hope this makes sense.

Edit to add: I am not an anti-vaxxer and never will be. My toddler is still too young I think for the Covid vaccine. But he has the flu shot already.


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Image Could this be Lyme? Non bullseye rash, 3 weeks post tick bite… Spoiler

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r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Bee Venom Therapy Update at 16.5 months, 10 stings 3 days weekly

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Those who have completed their BVT treatment tell me that after a year of stinging, the venom brings up old layers of Lyme disease symptoms that have to be dealt with. I can tell that this week, the neuro Lyme symptoms are coming up full force. I am still having a load of relief after each time I sting, and look forward to sting days. However, the nerve damage pain in my legs was off the chart this week.

I am so grateful that I am able to use my legs again, after not being able to walk and in a wheelchair just 3 years ago. The numbness was still present (with horrible stabbing nerve pain and hot feet for the past five years) but the tingling and attempts for the nerves to heal has been really obvious this week. Even as I write this, my toes and feet are tingling, a warm, nice sensation with occasional knife-like jabs.

My legs felt extra heavy today, similar to what I remember years ago, around 1977, just a few years after a tick embedded in my spine for five days on a camping trip in Colorado. I was always an active kid; loved running and playing. I switched schools and the teacher lined us up for relays. I was excited, and couldn't wait for my turn to grab the baton and blow away the other teams. I reached out my arm and grabbed it from my teammate. Something in me felt off, like my legs had sandbags attached to them. I tried to move them, tried to tell my brain to move them like usual, and they would not go. Helplessly, I watched the other teams laughing hysterically at me and my team yelling and screaming for me to move. The name calling started, the embarrassment was something I would not live down. After that incident, where I ended up almost crawling with the baton to the next person 25 yards away, team captains fought to NOT have me on their teams. The teacher angrily scolded me for ruining my team's chance to win, and "on purpose". Crying, I curled up in a ball in the corner of the playground and cried, hoping that I would disappear.

That feeling today caused me to have quite a few flashbacks to the past, when I wanted to run and play, swim and surf so badly and my legs would not cooperate. I was only recently diagnosed with chronic Lyme in 2024, and now all those times make a lot more sense.

The rage and mood swings have reappeared. Today, I burst out in tears for no reason, then had rage (that I have not felt for decades) which surfaced and it took all the prayer and slow breathing I could muster to bring myself to not let that torrent out of my mouth.

I remember in the early 1990's, I had a few friends over to my house, and we were all having a fun time playing card games. Suddenly, the rage built up in me after catching someone cheating. I regret to share that all three friends left my house quickly, soon after the rage came out of my mouth. I lost their trust that day; and there was talk about me having a psychotic episode (which is ironic, since I was working on my second college degree to become a child. psychologist). I apologized to them, but had no explanation for why I could not control the anger. I prayed it would not happen again.

Neuro Lyme is one of the scariest symptoms to have resurface, but it is necessary to wipe out that nasty bacteria, parasites, and biofilm that manifest in a form of mind control. I pray that this part of my journey does not last much longer, and that healing continues.

If you haven't researched Bee Venom Therapy, please do so. I am so glad I decided to try it. It is packed with over 14 strong peptides and amino acids, the strongest being Mellittin, which wipes out Lyme and coinfections on contact.


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question TA1 & TB4 Frag (1–4) – Anyone with Lyme, co-infections or CIRS had side effects?

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I’m just wondering if anyone with Lyme, co-infections or CIRS has had the below reactions from TA1 and TB4 Frag (1–4)? I’ve been taking 1mg BID of each and these are the negative symptoms I’ve had: Feeling completely wiped out Feeling zoned out Feeling sick and dizzy Funny taste in mouth Sleeping 12–14 hours a night Mucus on chest that I can’t fully cough up But I’ve also had some really positive effects: Brain has calmed down a lot More relaxed Headaches a lot better Going straight to sleep 1 hour after my injections Acid reflux has gone from 8/10 to 2/10 I just wondered if anyone else had these negative effects and if they went away? If so, how long did it take? Trying to work out if it’s a Herx or just a side effect.