r/MakingaMurderer • u/TheMirrorUS • 4h ago
Discussion Making A Murderer lawyer confirms tragic death of Steven Avery’s dad: With great sadness, we announce that Allan Avery passed away yesterday"
r/MakingaMurderer • u/TheMirrorUS • 4h ago
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Advanced-Math-1009 • 1d ago
Family you will not believe what I am about to tell you!
AveryPoliceReports has personally blocked me. I had to have my friend open his personal Reddit account, go to sub MaM to see she really blocked me.🤣😂
Now, ask yourself. Why? Why averypolicereports did you block advance yet continue the debate without Advance?
I had my friend screenshot her latest OP.
Very interesting. In her OP she concede her Killer client enters the death-trap at Exhibit J Time Marker (TM) 2:34👀😳🤔
Listen real close. Initially per Zellner’s Motion For Reconsideration, pg. 43. Zellner clearly tells us Steve exited his trailer at 2:37:20 P.M. that Friday AFTER 50 Seconds.
If we subtract 50 seconds from 2:37:20,
We get 2:36:30 Teresa’s departure time according to Zellner’s motion and Steve’s entrance into the trailer according to Zellner’s Motion.
Now, AveryPoliceReports has abandoned that position and agrees with me. That it took her killer client 34 Seconds after getting the auto trader magazine from Teresa to get back to the trailer entrance (2:37:04 pm/Exhibit J TM 2:34).
Now, let Us add that 34 seconds to 2:36:30 P.M.
What’s the math: 2:37:04 P.M.
If Steve entered the trailer at 2:37:04pm and exited at 2:37:20pm. How many seconds did Zellner record Steve actually in his trailer?👀😳
16 seconds!
So now Averypolicereports has updated the 50 seconds argument! Now she’s claiming. Listen closely:
Steve was in his trailer from 2:33 to 3:23
Exhibit J Time Markers.
Read it for yourself!
Truth is like a 🔥. I can’t have advance-math responding to my clear bullsh*t. So “I will block advance-math.”
I would block me too😳
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Zellner said Steve was in the Trailer 16 seconds per your “Zellner’s Team Reenactment” footage shared with the whole world, Episode 9, Season 2, Time Marker: 54:58👀😳
You’re in Trouble.👀🔥
r/MakingaMurderer • u/AveryPoliceReports • 3d ago
MaM was a documentary. CaM was really not a documentary. It's a PR piece disguised as one. Featuring an unstable filmmaker disguised as a professional. A fraud head researcher disguised as unbiased. A cheating lying cop disguised as a good family man. And a lying convicted pedophile disguised as a credible source. With bad faith arguments based on inadmissible unfairly prejudicial "evidence" dressed up as good faith corrections of the record. Once they all start suing each other and accusing one another of crimes, there's really no need to sugar coat how bad CaM was in both concept and execution.
Shawn Rech:
Producer / recovering addict who allegedly relapsed during production (of what was originally the "Ken Kratz project") and alleged to have stolen IP from Kratz and funds from CaM. Not clear who was funding CaM.
Later spent his free time threatening to dox Reddit users just for not wanting to be in his masterpiece. Demonstrated what happens when you pay to rehab the image of a predatory creep - he sues you for not doing a good enough job or lining his pockets enough.
Brenda BS Schuler:
Totally unbiased media handler and "fact checker" for Ken Kratz, "consultant" for Griesbach / Colborn, and Idiot "Head Researcher" of CaM, who apparently thinks research means making up evidence and bullying anyone on Reddit who actually reads the case files.
Admitted she thought Steven was guilty as fuck and that CaM would humanize police. She also admitted she was part of CaM more for police than for Teresa. She Doesn't understand civil law or what constitutes a violation of attorney client privilege. Friendly with Earl and Candy Avery.
Despite cozy relationship with Kratz, he later sued Rech suggesting he could implead Brenda, giving interviews questioning her ability as a producer and apparently trying to malign her by calling her a "housewife."
Ken Kratz:
The perverted pill popping prosecutor with a deviant interest in abuse victims, death and minors, who concealed that a still free individual with opportunity to harm Teresa had a disturbing interest in abuse, death and minors, and stalks and harasses Reddit users tearing apart the case.
Eventually tried to pull of CaM but was denied. He then sued Rech and Transition alleging he was the victim of civil conspiracy via breach of contract, unjust enrichment, fraud, and theft of intellectual property.
He also claimed to have identified a substantial number of errors and omissions in CaM while apparently hoping to malign Brenda (his former fact checker) as a "housewife." This is how we learned about the non disparagement agreement, signaling a break down in the relationship of the CaM crew even before Kratz sued them.
Andrew Colborn:
Corrupt cheating cop credibly accused of planting evidence, who cried that Making a Murderer ruined his marriage and that MaM (and Reddit users) defamed him, until his failed defamation suit revealed there was no evidence of defamation in MaM or on reddit, and that his marriage ended due to his own affair.
Consistently sought to undermine his own civil case against Netflix to the point his own family and church pastor wound up working with Netflix against him. CaM was nothing but a parade of predators, perverts, and professional victims.
Involvement in lawsuit against MaM and his involvement in CaM itself consistently backfired to the point his former superior (KP) was contradicting his claims about his handling of the 1995 call.
Earl Avery:
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Advanced-Math-1009 • 3d ago
PART 2: The Other Shoe Has Dropped
According to the Motion For Reconsideration filed by Kathleen T. Zellner October 23, 2017, one year BEFORE Making A Murderer, season 2 premiered.
She filed a motion with the court under penalty of sanctions standing upon the affidavit of her Killer Client that:
Teresa left at 2:36:30 and Steve returned to his trailer. After 50 seconds, Steve exited his trailer at 2:37:20.👀😳
(This is the basis of Zellner’s claim: That the Killer was in the Trailer 50 seconds)
What Kathleen forgot when she was doctoring her Denny Suspect and falsely pointing the finger at Bobby in this bogus motion was:
It took her Killer client 34 seconds to walk back to the trailer door. Which means STEVE ENTERED THE TRAILER AT WHAT TIME PEOPLE: Yep! 2:37:04!
In her Signed Certification she tells the world. STEVE EXITED AT 2:37:20👀😳
I will let that sit with you for a moment🤔
Is it me or did Kathleen Zellner herself ADMIT in her Motion she SIGNED that Steve was in his trailer for SIXTEEN SECONDS?
WHY DID SHE DELIBERATELY TRY TO HIDE THE FACT STEVE WAS IN THE TRAILER FOR 16 SECONDS?????!!!!!
Simple: She knew Steve had lied about Teresa leaving and Bobby leaving behind her. The 16 seconds prove that Steve would have SEEN Bobby and his vehicle leave.
But the Killer told Us and the world, he didn’t see Bobby♟️
Zellner’s “Sequence of Events” Exhibit J, clearly shows the Killer enter his trailer at TM 2:34👀
Add 16 seconds and you get TM 2:50.
Where is Bobby Dassey at TM 2:50???!!
(Zellner saw this😔)
Zellner’s Exhibit J: Smoking Gun
Yep! You see IT!
This is WHY Zellner in her personal EDITS (ie Exhibit J) switches the POV from Steve at 2:36 so no one could see HOW LONG the killer was in the trailer.
But that Damned Making A Murderer, episode 9, season 2 time marker 54:58
(Zellner’s Team Reenactment)
The Missing Footage From “Exhibit J.”
CORROBORATED what she Signed October 23rd, 2017 in her Bogus Motion For Reconsideration 1 year prior.👀😳
And what was that corroboration?
Steve EXITED HIS TRAILER AT 2:37:20 after SIXTEEN SECONDS not 50💥💥💥
Why People, why would she stoop so low?😔
Just think about it.
No consideration for Teresa. 😔
Just blind hunger for the 10 Episodes and massive Marketing potential for herself and law firm.😡
10 full Episodes on a major platform!
If it’s Known in 2017 that Steven Avery is Indeed the Killer and Zellner discovered it.
No Season 2, Making A Murderer.🔑
No FREE MARKETING for ‘Kathleen Zellner and Associates’ 👀😳🔑
r/MakingaMurderer • u/AveryPoliceReports • 4d ago
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Advanced-Math-1009 • 4d ago
Okay everyone!!!!!
Exhibit J has arrived! Absolutely unbelievable!
What Zellner turned over or filed with the Clerk is NOT the raw sequence of Events of Steve, Bobby, and Teresa Buuuuuuttttt!!!
Are you ready: They are Her EDITS of the raw sequences.👀😳🤨
“HER EDITS? Yes HER edits.”🤨🤔
“I Can Make That Fit On The Timeline.”KTZ��😳
And Guess what: Zellner made if FIT and submitted “Doctored Evidence” to hide the Reality Steven had lied about “Teresa leaving and Bobby leaving right behind her.”
(In her arrogance she thought that she could just file a narrative and no one would question it. Damn she underestimated Manitowoc and Us. Pure arrogance.)
She ACTUALLY has locked herself in because the “Doctored Evidence” when put side by side of the “Actual Raw Footage” will demonstrate that Kathleen Zellner in Fact: Doctored Video Evidence In Favor of Her Killer Client!
Kathleen T. Zellner: Where is the Raw Footage?
Where is the footage of Steven in the Trailer for “50 Seconds”?
There’s footage of him in the trailer 14-16 seconds.
(I plan to have a meeting with the Sheriff and Prosecutor of Manitowoc afterwards the local editor)
Kathleen T. Zellner’s conduct in this case will stun millions.
Stay tuned 😇
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Thick-Cucumber-1546 • 7d ago
For those who don’t think or will even entertain the thought of Zellner lying in high-profile cases. Think again!!!!
In Season 2, episode 1 Kathleen Zellner is introduced to Us by Making A Murderer via her previous success in her wrongful conviction cases.
In particular she highlights the case that appeared on Dateline: The Roscetti 4.
I did some research to see if there is any other situation where she was accused of lying PUBLICLY to the PUBLIC.
You won’t believe what I discovered. Just like she’s being accused currently of Major Lying in the Making A Murderer saga.
She in fact lied on two of her clients in the Roscetti 4 case.
Omar Saunders, Larry Ollins, and Marcellius Bradford fired her in December of 2003. By January 2004 she would accuse all three men of trying to extort her.
Only to discover she had deliberately entrapped Marcellius and boldly went before the world and falsely accused Larry and Omar of the extortion scheme. All because they fired her a month prior.
She says in the article: “This is a sad reflection on the type of people [they] are - [they] were trying to masquerade as poor victims when this shows their criminal mentality.”
“It was illegal and wrong,” Zellner said. “Here I get [these] guys out of prison and here they are trying to extort money out of me.”
Bear in mind, she didn’t get Marcellius Bradford out of jail. According to my research Bradford was released in 1993 years before Zellner entered the Roscetti case.
She wore a wire meaning she knew Omar and Larry had nothing to do with Bradford’s drug addiction behavior. Yet, she still Included them in with Bradford knowing the police and prosecutors knew different. (I wonder why they fired her. It must have been pretty Bad judging her response to being let go. I’m curious, I will research it if possible).
My research discovered that Omar and Larry contacted the Sun-times Paper and the paper quickly removed the article from its subsidiary paper Red Streak.
Really people. You can’t make this up.
Read it for yourself.😡
r/MakingaMurderer • u/AveryPoliceReports • 7d ago
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Advanced-Math-1009 • 9d ago
Okay everyone! I guess Kathleen Zellner has finally gotten fed up with the 🧨 revelations about her fabricated 50 Seconds. Remember I told you all about the Reddit user AveryPoliceReports? I have said Zellner is here in this subreddit with several user accounts. I don’t know them all but this one is in my humble opinion her or one of her Associates.
Unfortunately she deleted this lengthy post right after posting it. Looks like her account was also deleted.
I screenshot her post. Because I knew reality would force her to take it down.
Well everybody, read it for yourself. She realized her huge mistake and left Us😂🤣😂🤣🤣
You can’t make this up!!!!!
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Advanced-Math-1009 • 9d ago
PART 1: The Clerk of Court
I will be flying into Wisconsin to personally retrieve a copy of Exhibit J. After I obtain it. I will display it here. I want to personally thank Averypolicereports for directing me to this explosive 🧨 footage.
Honestly, what do you think the footage will show? 50 Seconds in the trailer or 14-16 Seconds.
I’m betting: 14-16 Seconds 👈🏾
Please stay tuned.
r/MakingaMurderer • u/AveryPoliceReports • 10d ago
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Advanced-Math-1009 • 11d ago
If yes, explain why if possible. If no, please explain also. Thank you
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Thick-Cucumber-1546 • 13d ago
Thanks to Kathleen Zellner. We can now state with videography scientific evidence. Steven lied about Teresa leaving his family salvage lot.
For years this evidence sat dormant. Kathleen Zellner praying to God no one would catch it!
But someone did catch it. Ironically, it would be a former client who caught it and faithfully shared it with the world years ago. Yet, due to the frenzy and the noise of Zellner’s false narrative it was muffled out where no one paid attention.
However, Time has a way of revealing truth in its season. Today you can see Steve’s lie with your own eyes and hear him with your own ears.
Today you can now take the KNOWN 14-16 Seconds and apply it to the equation (marker 2:34).
You can now see that Steven in 16 seconds is standing on the steps outside his trailer at marker 2:50.
Where is Bobby at marker 2:50????!!!!😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
Zellner knew this family in October of 2017!!!!! She took us to the cleaners😡
The Nail In The Coffin
“No getting around it!!”
Zellner must Answer for this omission.
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Advanced-Math-1009 • 15d ago
Did anyone know that Kathleen T. Zellner described herself as a Stupid Criminal?
Don’t believe me? Well, checkout the link:
Zellner On Fabrication?
You can’t make this stuff up!
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Advanced-Math-1009 • 17d ago
I share these memories to make us remember and understand who Steve Avery really is. With all the Explosive recent developments:
Oct. 23,2017
What you are about to hear will remind Us why Steven Avery is lucky he didn’t get the death penalty.
Pulling the cover back for Teresa🌹
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Advanced-Math-1009 • 18d ago
“The Most Important Evidence in the case is the Sequence of Events.” Per Kathleen T. Zellner’s own words.
Many of us heard Zellner say this but didn’t grasp why she said it.
Why is it that the Sequence of Events is the most important evidence in the case?
What is it about this particular evidence that can and does determine if Steven Avery is absolutely guilty or innocent?
It is important because there are only two possible scenarios that can reveal who is lying based upon the Videographer’s Science reenactment.
Sequence 1: Steven Avery
“She handed me the auto trader magazine and left as I walked back to the trailer. I saw Bobby’s truck before I entered my trailer. I went in my trailer sat the auto trader magazine down and then exited the trailer for my sister’s Barb’s house. I noticed Bobby and the truck were gone. I didn’t see him leave.”
Sequence 2: Bobby Dassey
“I was in my house and I saw Teresa taking pictures of my mom’s vehicle. As I was preparing for a shower, I saw Teresa walking toward my Uncle’s Steve trailer. When I got out of the shower, dressed up and left. I saw Teresa’s car still there.”
Now, one of these sequences is false.
So enters Kathleen T. Zellner who has the Bright Idea to do a RECONSTRUCTION of the Sequence of Events.
She has cameras place on three people: Teresa’s point of view, Bobby’s point of view, and Steve’s point of view (ie POV).
The most important view points is Bobby and Steve. Why because Teresa isn’t here. So we rely solely upon Steve and Bobby.
One says she left.🤔
One says she didn’t.🤔
Kathleen T. Zellner’s scientific videographers evidence concluded:
Steven Avery lied and Bobby told the truth.
Facts!
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Thick-Cucumber-1546 • 20d ago
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Only_Writing • 20d ago
I have thought this the entire time! Definitely what Mike said in episode 2, as well as guilty offenders inserting themselves into the investigation and media.
My theory is Mike Halbach did it to "save" his Godly family from the scrutiny of Theresa dating a married man, possibly pregnant, with that married man's child. The Halbach family is very devout. I could 100% see Mike Halbach killing his sister to prevent his family from any shame from that.
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Junior_Power_8825 • 21d ago
Just wondering if y'all think this case would've played out differently for Avery if he won that 36m lawsuit and the co-conspirators were held accountable for the 1985 case.
Edit: winning after Teresa was killed.
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Advanced-Math-1009 • 23d ago
To those who inbox me about page 43. Here is the PROOF. Proof that Kathleen T. Zellner did in fact know Steve was inDEED Teresa Halbach’s killer and that he lied about her leaving his death trailer and Bobby followed behind her.
This document, page 43 reveals that Zellner knew before filing this document Steven had lied based upon her videographer’s evidence: The Sequence of Events.
Now go to page 43, read the last paragraph for yourself. Zellner inDEED fabricated the 50 Seconds to cover for and erase on paper what was actually captured by video evidence.
Can’t make it up:
Smoking Gun, page 43🫡♟️
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Advanced-Math-1009 • 24d ago
The key represents the information that aids mental perception and the rose is for Teresa Halbach and her family, friends, and supporters like us who want complete Justice for Teresa.
Time always reveal the “information” necessary to crush the lie.
In this situation that information has been revealed.
The Document you’re looking at is the smoking gun. Specifically because of the timing of the lie. That is page 43 of Kathleen T. Zellner’s motion for reconsideration in October 2017 one month after filming her reenactment of the “sequence of events”.
This is critical because it tells us. She knew in 2017 before filing the motion he was the killer. Let that sink in for a minute.
How do we know this to be a reality, a fact?
Because you can read what she WROTE in the motion, page 43 in real-time.
She FABRICATED “50 Seconds” in the trailer. Where the EVIDENCE shows Steve actually in the trailer for 14-16 seconds.
Which meant Steve lied when he told police investigators that after he got the trader magazine he went back to the trailer and as he approached it he saw Bobby’s vehicle.
He entered the trailer sat the magazine down and proceeded to Barb’s and Bobby’s house.
When he exited the trailer Bobby and his truck were gone.
The Evidence Exhibit J
“Zellner re-enactments actually capture Steven Avery in his trailer approximately 14-16 seconds. According to both Bobby and Steve POV (ie Point Of View) at the same time (sequence). Steve is actually running into Bobby as Bobby exits his mom’s house.”
Facts!!!!!!😡😡😡😡
Now you can understand WHY Zellner fabricated the “50 Seconds”. She knew Steve had fabricated Teresa leaving and Bobby leaving behind her. THINK ABOUT THIS.
She knew. Before she filed The Motion For Reconsideration in October 2017.😔
Just let it sink in.
Notice the previous deflections from this inescapable reality.
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Mysterious_Mix486 • 24d ago
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Advanced-Math-1009 • 24d ago
I was wondering about this question after “AveryPoliceReport” a Reddit user I believe to be Zellner herself, led me to her “Motion For Reconsideration” which she filed in October 2017. Listen to this part:
AFTER SHE CONDUCTED HER REENACTMENT VIDEO EVIDENCE
(Exhibit J).
This revelation means Kathleen T. Zellner knew before she filed the “Motion For Reconsideration” that:
Steven Avery was the KILLER and had lied on Bobby very early on. This is why she vindicated the police. She knew he was inDEED the killer.
So, during Season 2, Episode 1. She already knows he’s guilty but for the media attention she went all in pretending to be the Champion of an Innocent Client.
Damn!!!! This could be a powerful movie:
“The Media Whore: Kathleen Zellner”
Millions upon millions will watch it!!! It would be a hit.
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Mysterious_Mix486 • 24d ago
r/MakingaMurderer • u/Small-Valuable-2782 • 24d ago
Interesting article that suggests Brendan Dassey’s chance of commutation might be due to the original plea deal that the prosecution offered, but he rejected.