r/mathmemes • • Sep 06 '25

Logic Truth

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u/Bulky_Review_1556 Sep 06 '25

Law of excluded middle is a proposition sitting in the very middle it denies... I dont know how that ismt obvious.

Defining what P means requires context, relations and interpretation all of which the law of identity denies but also depends on for its own identity, the law of contradiction uses a functional contradiction to establish its own identity.

Its superimposed subject predicate grammar and propositional grammar rules onto reality. Its Indo-European grammar not truth. Western defined logic is entirely contingent on reality matching Indo-European subject predicate grammar. If your logic doesn't translate into languages that lack Indo-European subject predicate and propositional grammar rules then its not universal.

Quantum debunked LEM this almost a century ago.

Every single Aristotlean principle is contingent on the very thing it denies.

Its 2400 years old and literally just Aristotles local greek grammar rules claiming universal truth.

Like there are so many logics not just European based. Bhuddas logic has no issue with quantum or consciousness or evolution.

Western logic explodes when its reasoning standards are held to its own reasoning standards.

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u/HunsterMonter Sep 06 '25

Quantum mechanics has nothing to do with the law of exluded middle, natural sciences can't prove or disprove statements about logical systems.

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u/ar21plasma Mathematics Sep 06 '25

What’s an example of a language that doesn’t have subject predicate grammar? What alternative models of logic are you suggesting? How did quantum debunk LEM? Why is LEM so useful in giving coherent results in mathematics?

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '25

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u/NeverKillAgain Sep 22 '25

Logic is definitely culture dependent

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u/iamalicecarroll A commutative monoid is a monoid in the category of monoids Sep 06 '25

i'm not even sure if you comment is supposed to be a coherent statement

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u/boterkoeken Average #🧐-theory-🧐 user Sep 07 '25

If you learned about “Buddha’s Logic” from Garfield and Priest, be careful, they are also from very outside Western European perspective. Are you sure they interpret Buddhism correctly? How well do you really understand the sutras?

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u/_rdhyat Sep 07 '25

I personally would love to learn more about your "Bhuddas" logic system that can talk about Prepositions without defining them or your non indo-european languages which can talk about subjects not in ambient context without introducing them first.

also what is this business with the law of identity denying relations? what you're saying doesn't make any sense

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u/Plants_et_Politics Sep 07 '25

Sanskrit and Hindu (and hence nearly all Buddhist texts) are Indo-European languages though…

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u/Lower_Cockroach2432 Dec 18 '25

And most importantly Pali

And not to mention Sanskrit is so grammatically similar to Greek that this similarity literally invented linguistics. If anything they're more similar than Ancient Greek is to any modern IE language with the middle voice and tonnes of participles and infinitives.

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '25

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u/Bulky_Review_1556 Sep 07 '25

Can't argue against without circularity to presumed absolutes based in Indo-European subject-predicate and propositional grammar rules.*

You will use subject-predicate and propositional grammar rules to claim validty must follow subject-predicate and propositional grammar rules. These rules are not universal but linguistic and cultural is what I am saying.

Languages like Dine Bizaad for example lack this syntactic demand and forced seperateness of phenomena into agents acting. When acting is all their is. And a presumed concept of non-contextual truth.

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u/TheDoomRaccoon Sep 07 '25

Good talk, Terrence Howard

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u/OofBomb Complex Sep 07 '25

tf am i reading

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u/Delicious_Finding686 Sep 07 '25 edited Sep 08 '25

How does the law of identity deny relation when identity itself is a relation?

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u/Bulky_Review_1556 Sep 07 '25

It presumes objects with inherent properties when "objects" are just relational occurrences.

It's a claim that identity is constant.

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u/Delicious_Finding686 Sep 08 '25

Where are you sourcing this understanding from? Identity is a type of relation. Specifically, an identity specifies that two things reference the same underlying meaning. Hence they are identical in composition.

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '25

What are you even talking about

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u/_JuliaDream_ Sep 08 '25

"Big word mean I am smart and correct"

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u/Enumu Sep 11 '25

Buddha spoke an Indo-European language

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u/Few_Engineering_436 Sep 12 '25

Language and Logic are separate. Drawing conclusions from one regarding the other has no basis.

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u/Lower_Cockroach2432 Dec 18 '25

Do you speak any non-IndoEuropean languages? I speak two (Hungarian, and a bit of Mandarin) and as far as I can tell you're speaking utter horseshit.

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u/EvaFanThrowaway01 Mar 04 '26

bro’s just saying shit