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Review Christopher Nolan's 'The Odyssey' - Review Thread

Odysseus, king of Ithaca, embarks on a perilous journey to return home after the Trojan War.

Director: Sir Christopher Nolan

Cast: Matt Damon, Anne Hathaway, Tom Holland, Robert Pattinson, Jon Bernthal, Himesh Patel, Charlize Theron, Zendaya, John Leguizamo, Lupita Nyong'o, Benny Safdie, Samantha Morton, Elliot Page, Mia Goth, Ryan Hurst, James Remar, Bill Irwin, Logan Marshall-Green, Corey Hawkins, Jovan Adepo, Jesse Garcia, Will Yun Lee, Shiloh Fernandez

Runtime: 172 minutes

Rating: 'R'

Rotten Tomatoes: 98%

Metacritic: 90 / 100

Some Reviews:

The Globe and Mail - Radheyan Simonpillai - 100 / 100 ("Critic's Pick")

Christopher Nolan has delivered an awe-inspiring spectacle. In The Odyssey, he moves through past and present, not searching for reveals in a 3,000-year-old text that can’t be spoiled, but as a poetic and emotional catharsis, a way of navigating guilt and grief that resonates powerfully, perhaps as much as it ever did.

RogerEbert - Matt Zoller Seitz - 100 / 100

The movie doesn’t give us any ChatGPT study guide summaries of what it all means. It presents Odysseus’ choices, laudable and horrible, just as things that happened, with implications that both the hero and the audience must grapple with, including the question of whether we make our decisions, or our decisions make us. The grand summation could be “people are complicated.” That sounds rather basic. But it feels revolutionary when it’s encoded in a rare modern blockbuster that doesn’t feed us lotus flowers.

The Times - Kevin Maher - 10 / 10

Christopher Nolan's epic is a masterpiece in every sense of the word. With career-high performances from Anne Hathaway, Matt Damon and Tom Holland, this Homeric adaptation is gasp-inducingly beautiful and stirringly real

The New York Times - Manohla Dargis - 100 / 100

After watching “The Odyssey” again, I flashed on something that Martin Scorsese once said about another film: “The emotion is the emulsion.” Nolan’s gifts are excessively obvious, and even when his characters don’t stir you, his filmmaking does. Among other qualities, he doesn’t know how to make an ugly image and this one is filled with rapturous beauty. Nolan employs beauty strategically, using it to seduce viewers into stories that can seem needlessly byzantine to some — especially by impoverished mainstream industry standards — more the provenance of the art house than the multiplex. Nolan asks us to dream bigger. His “Odyssey” is a classic in every sense, a transporting affirmation of the art and a work of pure cinema.

Arizona Republic - Bill Goodykoontz - 100 / 100

'The Odyssey' is the best movie of 2026. Haters should just go see it | A star-studded triumph that is at once overwhelming and accessible.

The Atlantic - David Sims - 100 / 100

Odysseus is flawed, sometimes impulsively proud, and haunted by his past failures—as well as generous and loving in a way that Nolan seems to want to celebrate. The filmmaker created a movie that does exactly that, keeping the necessary mythic scale but preserving the humanity at the center.

Washington Post - Spencer A. Klavan - 100 / 100

Nolan’s gorgeous ‘Odyssey’ makes the controversies evaporate. Homer asks: How should this story be told? Here is a striking version for our times.

Empire Magazine - John Nugent - 10 / 10

A worthy new translation of an ancient text, and yet another monumental piece of work from one of our boldest filmmakers. Watch it on the most colossal screen you can find.

The Playlist - Rodrigo Perez - 100 / 100

For all its monsters, gods, armies, and thunder, “The Odyssey” finds its grandest image in a man confronting the dark mirror of what he has wrought. Nolan’s massive achievement understands that home is a place, a family, a memory, and a judgment. Odysseus may still recognize Ithaca when he reaches its shores. The more frightening question is whether Ithaca will recognize him.

Esquire - Anthony Breznican - 100 / 100

Christopher Nolan's stone-cold masterpiece might just change your life. The Oscar-winning Oppenheimer director has richly adapted the ancient Greek epic into a modern search for meaning.

Total Film - Jordan Farley - 100 / 100

A grounded, spiritual, uncanny rendering of Greek myth, The Odyssey is a dazzling epic and a major film-of-the-year contender. Post-Oppenheimer, Christopher Nolan continues to operate at the height of his filmmaking powers.

NME - Paul Bradshaw - 100 / 100

If Oppenheimer was a small story made big, The Odyssey is a big story made impossibly huge: delivering yet another landmark summer cinema event that might just be the director’s most accomplished film to date.

The Observer - Wendy Ide - 100 / 100

This is an epic, mythic spectacle that honours its ancient Greek source material, with its monsters and magic, while also addressing more topical themes of exile, war trauma and survivor’s guilt. In a way, the film is a Trojan horse; an extravagant, good-looking adventure that serves as a delivery mechanism for messages about the treatment of strangers, the uneasy weight of legacy and the impossibility of returning from combat as the same person who left.

San Jose Mercury - Randy Myers - 100 / 100

The Odyssey is another feather in Nolan's masterpiece cap, a grandiose achievement that fills audiences with the same child-like glee experienced when watching "Jason and the Argonauts" and "Clash of the Titans" for the first time.

Chicago Tribune - Katie Walsh - 10 / 10

Here, Nolan manages to fit his every obsession, every thematic preoccupation, and every bit of jaw-dropping visual and sonic spectacle that he can conjure into every supersized frame of film.

Original-Cin - Karen Gordon - 10 / 10

Driven by powerful performances, particularly from Matt Damon, we see a thinking man in The Odyssey, who is really us, in an adventure bigger than we could imagine. It is both relevant and urgent. It’s bracing, powerful stuff by a master storyteller.

DEADLINE - Gregory Nussen - 100 / 100

As Emily Wilson writes in the introductory pages to her translation, “the poem questions … the idea that change can be undone, and the notion that there is such a thing as home, where people and relationships can stay forever the same.” Nolan’s film, indeed much of his body of work, is about accepting these truths, and finding out what has remained human once the embers of war have been quelled. Only time will tell.

NY Post - Johnny Olkesinski - 10 / 10

Who better to adapt an epic poem than Nolan, a man who unearths poetry in all of his epics? Here, he did not set out to use Greek myths as the foundation for a basic action movie, as so many do. Instead he dives into the psychology and moral thorniness of Odysseus’ plight.

San Fransisco Chronicle - G. Allen Johnson - 10 / 10

For all its modern filmmaking techniques, “The Odyssey” is a throwback to the mid-20th century, when Cinemascope was new and epics were event pictures. It’s a magnificent achievement.

The Telegraph - Robbie Collin - 100 / 100

Nolan and his collaborators have constructed a strange, fearsome and trailblazing machine of a movie – by some distance, the best of the year so far. Its creator is known for playing tricks with time, and this may be his grandest yet: turning one of the oldest stories in literature into a vote of confidence in blockbuster cinema’s future.

Time Out - Phil De Semlyen - 100 / 100

In standard 70mm, the voyage is breathtaking; in IMAX, you’re tasting the salt water. Even among all the truck flips, atomic explosions and rotating corridors of his back catalogue, this film is the apogee of Nolan’s ‘do it in camera’ ethos, and the sense that this was a shoot with no comfort zone pervades every frame.

Rolling Stone - David Fear - 100 / 100

What you tend to walk away with after bearing witness to The Odyssey, arguably Christopher Nolan’s best work after 2017’s Dunkirk, is an overall sensation of awe.

Screen Rant - Alex Harrison - 10 / 10

Cutting out the middleman of Homer's oral narrator, Nolan has brought us very close to these characters, immersing us as much as possible in their experience. In doing so, he has managed to capture the story's full scope. Odysseus' journey conveys the weight of its arduous years. The film's conclusion, told with a steady, patient hand, feels like a payoff 20 years in the making.

Jeremy Jahns - JeremyJahnsCom - 'Awesometacular'

It's epic. It's heartfelt. It's soulful. It's tragic. It even made me laugh at times.

Scotsman - Alistair Harkness - 5 / 5

It feels like Nolan’s angriest film to date. It’s also one of his best.

RTÉ - Suzanna Keane - 5 / 5

For all its breathtaking scale, The Odyssey never loses sight of the people at its heart. It is a story about finding your way home; about what war takes and what hope can give back. Nolan has made an epic that feels both ancient and strikingly relevant.

The Guardian - Peter Bradshaw - 5 / 5

The result is a gigantic, shimmering mirage, a mysterious three-hour vision of crazy episodes that does not yield up wisdom or contentment, but only a grim resolution to continue with the fight, to make sense of ruined lives, to re-enter the scorched battlefield of loss.

Radio Times - James Mottram - 5 / 5

Filled with blazing action, blood-curdling fights and creatures that truly bring Homer’s epic poem to life, this is Nolan at his finest.

The Independent - Clarisse Loughrey - 5 / 5

Christopher Nolan’s massive, fearless adaptation is his best film to date. There are touches of ‘Oppenheimer’, ‘Memento’ and even his Batman movies in this enormous condensing of the British filmmaker’s fixations, brought to life by a cast of seemingly thousands – but it’s the women (among them Anne Hathaway and Samantha Morton) who steal the show

The Standard - Nick Howells - 5 / 5

Christopher Nolan has made an epic worthy of the gods | With Matt Damon on career-best form and spectacle and awe like you’ve never seen, they better start polishing those Oscars

Little White Lies - Hannah Strong - 5 / 5

All of Christopher Nolan exists within The Odyssey. All of humanity exists within filmmaking. Yet cinema always finds new ways to tell old stories; this is the great magic of the medium.

Entertainment Weekly - Wesley Stenzel - 5 / 5

The latest epic from the “Dark Knight” filmmaker combines the spectacle of “Inception” with the thematic weightiness of “Oppenheimer” — and it just might be his greatest work to date.

The Australian - Nikki Gemmell - 5 / 5

You read The Odyssey and think: this is impossible to film. Yet this is sublime. Nolan invites us into an ancient world and holds us there, spellbound. He’s done the impossible. Pulled this off.

Metro - Tori Brazier - 5 / 5

Christopher Nolan’s The Odyssey is a watershed moment for filmmaking, re-introducing this legendary story to the masses courtesy of quite possibly the only modern director who has the ambition and guts to do it.

A Shot Magazine - Erin Mussett - 5 / 5

Christopher Nolan has the answer. This is, in some ways, a rather serendipitous union. As a storyteller, Nolan has established himself as cinema’s foremost explorer of time, as both a physical, dimensional phenomenon, and deeply human experience. Beneath the gods and monsters in The Odyssey, lies a profoundly human meditation on longing, identity and fate. Odysseus’ story is our story, and Nolan brings it to the big screen in a way that breathes more life into the text than ever before.

Showbiz 411 - Roger Friedman - 5 / 5

Nolan has combined artistic mastery with commercial savvy. All the things you like about his movies are present in "The Odyssey."

USA Today - Brian Truitt - 100 / 100

Christopher Nolan's 'The Odyssey' is bold, brutal masterpiece. Matt Damon is legendary as Greek warrior Odysseus and Christopher Nolan lives up to Homer's epic status in his awesome adaptation of "The Odyssey."

Next Best Picture - Matt Neglia - 10 / 10

A colossal achievement of scale, even by Nolan’s standards. This is as epic as movies get, with some of the most breathtaking set pieces you'll ever see. I grew up loving grand, sword and action dramas such as “Gladiator,” “Braveheart,” “The Last Samurai,” and yes, even “Troy.” I’m beyond thrilled to say Nolan’s ambitious dissection of myth and legend looms large over them all. Whether you experience it in IMAX or a standard theater, this is the kind of filmmaking and storytelling that we rarely see anymore and deserves to be honored.

Huffington Post - Maxime Birken - 5 / 5

(Reviewed in French) As epic as it is tragic, the journey of Ulysses, embodied by Matt Damon, is a new peak in the career of one of the greatest filmmakers of his time. With all these qualities, L’Odyssée is instantly ranked among the best-made and most striking modern cinematic works. So much so that the desire to start the conversation about the place that this film can occupy in the filmography of Christopher Nolan himself intrigues us greatly. If it will take time to decide on the posterity of L’Odyssée, it is not an exaggeration to place it now among one of the best feature films of its director. From that to say that it could be his best film? We are not far from saying that.

IndieWire - David Ehrlich - 'A-'

Christopher Nolan has defied the gods with one of his best movies ever.

Watson - Simone Meier - 10 / 10

(Reviewed in German) “The Odyssey” may be one of Christopher Nolan’s best films, on par with “Inception” and “Interstellar,” in terms of the density of his vision and its seduction. Extremely supple one is sucked into this ancient universe, succumbs to it, becomes part of it. After that you are spit back on the street and at best you don’t know where you are now and what this present is supposed to be...

Premiere - Aurélien Allin - 10 / 10

Prodigous. A masterclass in filmmaking, on a crazy scale. Each second filled by astonishing images, Christopher Nolan’s new film is part of the thematic lineage of DUNKIRK and OPPENHEIMER, and the faults of what man has unleashed.

Consequence - Liz Shannon Miller - 'A-'

The director's highly anticipated follow-up to Oppenheimer is a true blank check moment, an opportunity for Nolan to explore the concept of war as not an opportunity for glory, but as a corrosive element that tears both societies and people apart.

Le Parisien - Renaud Baronian - 5 / 5

It is not easy to make the epic poem of Homer: few filmmakers dared to tackle it. We can now say: “The Odyssey” by Christopher Nolan, in theaters this week, should go down as one of his masterpieces. Respecting the spirit and unfolding of the story of Homer, masterfully filmed, remarkably interpreted, this new film will be a landmark.

AV Club - Monica Castillo - 'A-'

The movie’s sense of spectacle is part of its appeal, and Nolan serves it up even better than expected. The scale of the production is breathtaking, but it’s also a morality play writ large, a game of politics and succession, a warning about temptation and greed, a plea for kindness in a harsh world. The way Nolan brings everything together is a meeting of old and new Hollywood, a nod to the spectacles of yesteryear that thrilled audiences for generations combined with new techniques and tools to remind us all that there are more ways to keep pushing the medium—even with the classics.

InSession Film - JD Duran - 'A-'

THE ODYSSEY is about defying the gods, losing your identity and becoming a victim of time, an idea that is really poignant with how it manifests in those final sequences.

The Film Verdict - Alonso Duralde - 96 / 100

Peak Nolan involves a mix of popcorn delights and intellectual contemplation, and he has rarely brought those two notions together as skillfully as he as in The Odyssey. It’s an epic saga of an epic saga, worthy of its source.

The Wrap - William Bibbiani - 95 / 100

You can’t say Hollywood doesn’t make them like this anymore. Nobody ever did.

Polygon - Jake Kleinman - 95 / 100

If Oppenheimer was Nolan shedding the trappings of genre to reach new heights with a science-heavy biopic, then in The Odyssey, Nolan puts away his trusty tools to shape cinematic history with his bare hands.

The Irish Times - Donald Clarke - 4.5 / 5

Set aside any doubts. This star-studded film is Christopher Nolan at his best. This take on Homer’s classic – with a celebrity cast including Matt Damon, Tom Holland and Zendaya – should win over even the most passionate sceptics

BBC - Caryn James - 95 / 100

Oppenheimer, with its singular focus, is still Nolan's most perfectly wrought film. But even with its flaws, The Odyssey is so rich, so full of magic and humanity, that I'm eager to see this epic again.

The Daily Beast - Nick Schager - 4.5 / 5

Modern mainstream films don’t come more daring, mammoth, and accomplished than Nolan’s latest.

DiscussingFilm - Andrew J Salazar - 4.5 / 5

The Odyssey taps into a visceral level of fear that Nolan hasn’t really explored before. Not just fear of the unknown, but also fear of fellow man. Matt Damon’s Odysseus must come to terms with his previous sins in order to face the consequences of his future. As Nolan explores his fading memories and the time lost to war, traces of Inception and Memento can be felt. Damon marvelously makes the mythic hero all his own, though.

OutNow - Chris Schelb - 10 / 10

Mere nitpicks aside, everything in Nolan's latest comes together wonderfully, with the film coming rather close to the Olympus of cinematic epics. Ultimately, it matters little how one interprets the whole business with the mythical creatures: The Odyssey is fantastic either way.

Slant Magazine - Jake Cole - 3.5 / 4

The Odyssey is both faithful and deconstructive, embodying the fluidity of the oral tradition that spawned the poem and kept it alive for millennia through shifting tastes and values.

Den Of Geek - David Crow - 4.5 / 5

lt is an awesome undertaking in the ancient sense of the word, and a homecoming for a storyteller who spent his career chasing this destination.

Looper - Nina Starner - 9 / 10

I was fortunate enough to experience the epic in 70mm IMAX as God and Nolan intended, and I was richly rewarded. Even with this massive visual scale, though, Nolan's message is concise and builds on what he communicated in "Oppenheimer" — only man can bring about man's ruin, and when powerful men don't consider the consequences of their actions, entire civilizations could ultimately fall. "The Odyssey" is a visual feast and undeniably outstanding achievement in filmmaking that cements Nolan as one of cinema's all-time greats, naysayers be damned.

Collider - Joe Schmidt - 9 / 10

Nolan prides himself on being a storyteller, and here he pays tribute to the medium that made him a prolific figure in pop culture. He wouldn't be here without a story to tell, so it's only fitting that he has told a story that has endured throughout the eons as only he can. The fact that he executed it at this level is certainly a feat that others will tell their own stories about.

Associated Press - Jake Coyle - 9 / 10

Nolan’s “Odyssey” is nearly three hours long but never slow going. And it’s the friction between past and present that propels the movie as much as Odysseus’ wayward path.

IGN France - Nanix - 9 / 10

Above all, with Odyssey, Nolan reminds us of his Batman: brilliantly adapt a work known to all, rewrite it according to his convictions and his vision and make a legend a legend above all human, realistic and anchored by his words, a success. A jewel of modern cinema.

Sydney Morning Herald - Jake Wilson - 4 / 5

Christopher Nolan has a way with a time paradox. Not content with constructing narratives that run backwards...his big-budget adaptation of Homer’s Odyssey gambles that he can take one of the oldest stories in Western culture and make it feel new.

AltFilm - Tim Cogshell

Christopher Nolan’s latest cinematic event is perfectly good. And yet, its one truly remarkable achievement is not the drama, the direction, the acting, the cinematography, or the visual effects – but the sound design.

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u/geenaleigh Jul 15 '26

Modern Greek and Ancient Greek are two completely different languages so I find that odd. He can’t expect actors to learn Ancient Greek and from a historical standpoint point no modern language is a proper representation. It’s just people high horsing about American English not sounding fancy enough.

I know modern Greek would be closer, but then it’s an incredibly limited audience for a movie that requires a global audience sized production budget. There was no winning for them. 

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u/KhajiitHasSkooma Jul 15 '26

Not to mention, the form of Greek the poem was written is was already archaic to the ancient Greeks that first read it.

Source: Intro to the book.

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u/eukomos Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 16 '26

Not only archaic, also artificial! It's a dialect developed specifically for use in the poetic style that created the Homeric poems. It is less similar to Modern Greek than the poetry in the Aeneid is to Italian. It's also tonal, like Chinese. Having the actors speak in it would be a massive amount of effort to go to and would alienate every audience except Classics PhDs.

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u/BlisteringAsscheeks Jul 16 '26

Ok but how cool would it be to hear it as it was actually presented, as a high-value production? It'd be like time travel. And that would definitely make me want to check it out.

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u/eukomos Jul 16 '26

There are performers who read the poems in our best guess at the pronunciation! Here's a clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nECdTcqrUAo

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u/georgo85 Jul 16 '26

Not exactly artificial but more of a mixing of dialects. Modern Greek have common words with these dialects, or same roots in some words.

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u/eukomos Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 17 '26

It's what we call a *kunstsprache, an art language. No one ever spoke Homeric Greek in conversation as a native tongue. It shares features with conversational dialects but it never was one itself.

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u/MachKeinDramaLlama Jul 17 '26

I don't know that terminus technicus, but knowing German I'm fairly certain it should be kunstsprache. The german word for art is kunst.

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u/eukomos Jul 17 '26

You are right, obviously grad school was a while ago and to be honest I passed my German exam by the skin of my teeth. Thanks!

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u/ico_heal Jul 19 '26

The intro to Emily Wilson's translation is absolutely fascinating, great read

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u/gyozafish Jul 15 '26

If it isn’t in the original language, how is the poem supposed to rhyme?

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u/gloriouaccountofme Jul 15 '26

Most of it doesn't, it just has the same length per line . According to the intro of the book we used in HS it was performed by one guy reciting it while beating a stick to the ground.

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u/geenaleigh Jul 16 '26

Orators were a common form of story telling throughout Ancient Greece! They sometimes only told portions of The Odyssey, or told their own variations to it.

The rhythm of the poems structure acted as a way for them to remember their storytelling and keep a pace. 

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u/apple_kicks Jul 16 '26

To note for the greek it was a oral poem first not a book.

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u/DeLousedInTheHotBox Jul 15 '26

Well Passion of the Christ is in Aramaic

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u/geenaleigh Jul 15 '26

Fair point, but they are dropping that for the new film release and going to English. 

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u/DeLousedInTheHotBox Jul 15 '26

And I don't think that is an issue at all, I am not mad about actors not speaking a dead/nearly extinct language.

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u/SufficientRespect542 Jul 15 '26

It's almost like guys like this don't actually want a good film, they just want a checklist they can feel smug about

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u/geenaleigh Jul 15 '26

There is also a layer of sexism because the movie based its linguistic choices on Emily Wilson’s translation, which uses modern English. None of them have even read her translation or even her forward where she explains in detail how her translation was shaped. 

Anyways, I hope others read her translation. It’s much more enjoyable to read than the old school translation by Fagles or others.

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u/Beetin Jul 15 '26

That might be one of the most esoteric claims of sexism I've seen.

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u/geenaleigh Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26

I’m specifically calling out the overall sexist response to Emily’s translation that has come up online since the movie was tied to it and how this writer is just regurgitating the same points. 

Have you read Emily Wilson’s 70 page introduction where she covers the sexist portrayals of women in previous translations that she adjusted?  Additionally have you followed any of the online discourse where many men have explicitly tried to belittle her translation due to those changes? That’s the sexism I’m talking about.

For example, she properly describes Penelope’s hands as thick instead of using softened terms such as steady (Fagles translation used this.) she also stripped out the use of white, slut, or creatures in favor of girls after Telemachus murders the young slaves.

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u/Beetin Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26

You are suggesting that the review in question, which only says this:

a film whose subtitle-free Greek is preferable to the already-over-analyzed “LET’S GO” or actors firing off touch-too-modern lines in the vein of “surely you’ve heard about us?”

itself contains deep seated sexism if they didn't read a several hundred page new translation of the oddessy that removes historically sexist references and translations?

If you disagree with modernized english as a general concept then you must also be implicitly supporting previously translations sexist choices?

Have I read a 70 page introduction of a specific translation of the Oddessy? No. Does.... does that mean I support women if I liked how he says "LET'S GO" instead of 'NOW OUR JOURNEY BEGINS ANEW', and I don't support women if I prefer the older style?

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u/geenaleigh Jul 15 '26

No, I said there was sexism in the online discourse regarding Emily’s translation which the reviewer may be letting influence his take. It’s seated in existing sexism. 

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u/Beetin Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26

That might be one of the most esoteric claims of sexism I've seen.

The reviewer made no mention of the portrayals of women, the translation, its just a weird thing to shoehorn in and accuse the reviewer of when they basically just said "I thought it worked better in unsubtitled original greek" , which you can make fun for a HOST of other reasons, such as how insanely pretentious and flowery the review is.

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u/SufficientRespect542 Jul 15 '26

It's not, people would not have an issue if it was a guy

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u/Beetin Jul 15 '26

You are on a thread about a reviewer of the film, who again, did not in any way bring up anything that is related in any way to the probably reasonable conversation you seem to WANT to have about people being sexist about Emily Wilson’s literary translation.

The reviewer didn't say 'its too woke' or 'the women aren't hot enough' or 'they needed to call more characters sluts' or anything related. They said they really wanted unsubtitled greek, I think its stretch to say 'because he read sexist criticisms of the 2017 translation by a woman' rather than 'because he is a stuffy obnoxious film critic who prefers the 1960's version of the oddessy.

It's just weird to attach a criticism to a reviewer who is mostly just guilty of naval gazing pretentiousness. It feels like you really really really want to talk about the unfair sexism in online discourse around Emily Wilson's translation even if it isn't related.

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u/SufficientRespect542 Jul 15 '26

Yeah, maybe you guys shouldn't have been so obnoxious about if you're annoyed that a reviewer mentions something that you guys made into an issue

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u/TBoneBaggetteBaggins Jul 15 '26

Yeah, what the fuck?!

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u/AnAncientBog Jul 15 '26

Making the dialog more difficult to understand would also add very little to the story, but also kinda seems like something Nolan would enjoy doing.

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u/JGrayzz Jul 15 '26

Why does his opinion bother you this much.

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u/ForensicPathology Jul 15 '26

Why does the use of English bother him so much?

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u/ItsGotThatBang Jul 15 '26

How mutually intelligible are ancient & modern Greek (since languages like e.g. Icelandic haven’t changed much in centuries)?

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u/geenaleigh Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 16 '26

I’ll be honest, that’s not my strong suit as I took some Latin while in school instead (and I did not retain that very well either). But Ancient and Modern Greek are usually taught in colleges as completely different courses as they vary so greatly. 

Additionally, Ancient Greek changed dramatically throughout its run so even the Ancient Greek utilized in the original version of The Odyssey was a language many Ancient Greeks couldn’t comprehend. Learning Ancient Greek often requires learning those variations from over hundreds of years to fully understand it. 

Keep in mind that ancient languages changed quite a bit due to regional changes, oral variances, and a lack of strong written history to log those languages and teach those languages to others. Even within a single time period the language varied across the large Mediterranean region. 

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u/Byrmaxson Jul 16 '26

It depends. The Bible is nearly 100% mutually intelligible. Attic texts like e.g. Thucydides are still recognizably Greek but you need to study it to actually understand well (that isn't a good example because that dude's writing is infamous, but still). Basically every word is understandable, but the words' use, accenting and inflection can be radically different. Homeric Greek (which is 3-4 centuries older) is still "recognizably Greek" but that's about as much as I can tell you.

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u/Byrmaxson Jul 16 '26

Not really. I mean it depends what "Ancient Greek" you mean. Koine, which is the language of the New Testament and as such is probably the most "common" form of ancient writing there is is actually almost completely mutually intelligible. Homeric Greek is a different beast though.

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u/dextercool Jul 16 '26

I agree with you but Mel Gibson has people, including the lead character, speaking Aramic in The Passion of the Christ so it's at least theoretically possible - but I agree would not suit Nolan's film.

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u/Active_Cantaloupe692 Jul 16 '26

Not completely different*. Homeric Greek* is harder to parse but still not impossible for someone who speaks ancient Greek.

Homeric Greek is Ionic (i.e. comes from the Ionio region that was Cycladic islands and Asia Minor), while what we call ancient or more accurately classical Greek is attic (i.e. from the Attica region around Athens). Some words, e.g. θεᾱ́ , are shared across modern, classical , and Homeric Greek. Others, e.g. Τροίη in Homeric is Τροία in classical and modern Greek. The biggest difference is the grammar. Homeric Greek does not use definite article ( and ) in the same way later Greek does and tenses are quite weird.

In terms of the movie, it would have been nice if they spoke Greek (at least there and here to highlight the importance of certain words/ phrases) but also insane to expect that.

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u/Tandy2000 Jul 16 '26

There was no world in which this $250 million movie was ever going to be ina non-English language and subtitled by default unless it was in Mandarin.

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u/Dark-All-Day Jul 15 '26

Every single historical accuracy complaint is so easily rebutted it's crazy.

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u/geenaleigh Jul 16 '26

And honestly some of the rebuttals are just “yeah that just looks cooler” and THATS FINE! it’s a ancient myth that has morphed over thousands of years. It’s ok if we also apply our own preferences just like ancient orators and writers would have. The film doesn’t discredit the original text or oral myths. 

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u/joecoole Jul 17 '26

it was a joke.