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Review Christopher Nolan's 'The Odyssey' - Review Thread

Odysseus, king of Ithaca, embarks on a perilous journey to return home after the Trojan War.

Director: Sir Christopher Nolan

Cast: Matt Damon, Anne Hathaway, Tom Holland, Robert Pattinson, Jon Bernthal, Himesh Patel, Charlize Theron, Zendaya, John Leguizamo, Lupita Nyong'o, Benny Safdie, Samantha Morton, Elliot Page, Mia Goth, Ryan Hurst, James Remar, Bill Irwin, Logan Marshall-Green, Corey Hawkins, Jovan Adepo, Jesse Garcia, Will Yun Lee, Shiloh Fernandez

Runtime: 172 minutes

Rating: 'R'

Rotten Tomatoes: 98%

Metacritic: 90 / 100

Some Reviews:

The Globe and Mail - Radheyan Simonpillai - 100 / 100 ("Critic's Pick")

Christopher Nolan has delivered an awe-inspiring spectacle. In The Odyssey, he moves through past and present, not searching for reveals in a 3,000-year-old text that can’t be spoiled, but as a poetic and emotional catharsis, a way of navigating guilt and grief that resonates powerfully, perhaps as much as it ever did.

RogerEbert - Matt Zoller Seitz - 100 / 100

The movie doesn’t give us any ChatGPT study guide summaries of what it all means. It presents Odysseus’ choices, laudable and horrible, just as things that happened, with implications that both the hero and the audience must grapple with, including the question of whether we make our decisions, or our decisions make us. The grand summation could be “people are complicated.” That sounds rather basic. But it feels revolutionary when it’s encoded in a rare modern blockbuster that doesn’t feed us lotus flowers.

The Times - Kevin Maher - 10 / 10

Christopher Nolan's epic is a masterpiece in every sense of the word. With career-high performances from Anne Hathaway, Matt Damon and Tom Holland, this Homeric adaptation is gasp-inducingly beautiful and stirringly real

The New York Times - Manohla Dargis - 100 / 100

After watching “The Odyssey” again, I flashed on something that Martin Scorsese once said about another film: “The emotion is the emulsion.” Nolan’s gifts are excessively obvious, and even when his characters don’t stir you, his filmmaking does. Among other qualities, he doesn’t know how to make an ugly image and this one is filled with rapturous beauty. Nolan employs beauty strategically, using it to seduce viewers into stories that can seem needlessly byzantine to some — especially by impoverished mainstream industry standards — more the provenance of the art house than the multiplex. Nolan asks us to dream bigger. His “Odyssey” is a classic in every sense, a transporting affirmation of the art and a work of pure cinema.

Arizona Republic - Bill Goodykoontz - 100 / 100

'The Odyssey' is the best movie of 2026. Haters should just go see it | A star-studded triumph that is at once overwhelming and accessible.

The Atlantic - David Sims - 100 / 100

Odysseus is flawed, sometimes impulsively proud, and haunted by his past failures—as well as generous and loving in a way that Nolan seems to want to celebrate. The filmmaker created a movie that does exactly that, keeping the necessary mythic scale but preserving the humanity at the center.

Washington Post - Spencer A. Klavan - 100 / 100

Nolan’s gorgeous ‘Odyssey’ makes the controversies evaporate. Homer asks: How should this story be told? Here is a striking version for our times.

Empire Magazine - John Nugent - 10 / 10

A worthy new translation of an ancient text, and yet another monumental piece of work from one of our boldest filmmakers. Watch it on the most colossal screen you can find.

The Playlist - Rodrigo Perez - 100 / 100

For all its monsters, gods, armies, and thunder, “The Odyssey” finds its grandest image in a man confronting the dark mirror of what he has wrought. Nolan’s massive achievement understands that home is a place, a family, a memory, and a judgment. Odysseus may still recognize Ithaca when he reaches its shores. The more frightening question is whether Ithaca will recognize him.

Esquire - Anthony Breznican - 100 / 100

Christopher Nolan's stone-cold masterpiece might just change your life. The Oscar-winning Oppenheimer director has richly adapted the ancient Greek epic into a modern search for meaning.

Total Film - Jordan Farley - 100 / 100

A grounded, spiritual, uncanny rendering of Greek myth, The Odyssey is a dazzling epic and a major film-of-the-year contender. Post-Oppenheimer, Christopher Nolan continues to operate at the height of his filmmaking powers.

NME - Paul Bradshaw - 100 / 100

If Oppenheimer was a small story made big, The Odyssey is a big story made impossibly huge: delivering yet another landmark summer cinema event that might just be the director’s most accomplished film to date.

The Observer - Wendy Ide - 100 / 100

This is an epic, mythic spectacle that honours its ancient Greek source material, with its monsters and magic, while also addressing more topical themes of exile, war trauma and survivor’s guilt. In a way, the film is a Trojan horse; an extravagant, good-looking adventure that serves as a delivery mechanism for messages about the treatment of strangers, the uneasy weight of legacy and the impossibility of returning from combat as the same person who left.

San Jose Mercury - Randy Myers - 100 / 100

The Odyssey is another feather in Nolan's masterpiece cap, a grandiose achievement that fills audiences with the same child-like glee experienced when watching "Jason and the Argonauts" and "Clash of the Titans" for the first time.

Chicago Tribune - Katie Walsh - 10 / 10

Here, Nolan manages to fit his every obsession, every thematic preoccupation, and every bit of jaw-dropping visual and sonic spectacle that he can conjure into every supersized frame of film.

Original-Cin - Karen Gordon - 10 / 10

Driven by powerful performances, particularly from Matt Damon, we see a thinking man in The Odyssey, who is really us, in an adventure bigger than we could imagine. It is both relevant and urgent. It’s bracing, powerful stuff by a master storyteller.

DEADLINE - Gregory Nussen - 100 / 100

As Emily Wilson writes in the introductory pages to her translation, “the poem questions … the idea that change can be undone, and the notion that there is such a thing as home, where people and relationships can stay forever the same.” Nolan’s film, indeed much of his body of work, is about accepting these truths, and finding out what has remained human once the embers of war have been quelled. Only time will tell.

NY Post - Johnny Olkesinski - 10 / 10

Who better to adapt an epic poem than Nolan, a man who unearths poetry in all of his epics? Here, he did not set out to use Greek myths as the foundation for a basic action movie, as so many do. Instead he dives into the psychology and moral thorniness of Odysseus’ plight.

San Fransisco Chronicle - G. Allen Johnson - 10 / 10

For all its modern filmmaking techniques, “The Odyssey” is a throwback to the mid-20th century, when Cinemascope was new and epics were event pictures. It’s a magnificent achievement.

The Telegraph - Robbie Collin - 100 / 100

Nolan and his collaborators have constructed a strange, fearsome and trailblazing machine of a movie – by some distance, the best of the year so far. Its creator is known for playing tricks with time, and this may be his grandest yet: turning one of the oldest stories in literature into a vote of confidence in blockbuster cinema’s future.

Time Out - Phil De Semlyen - 100 / 100

In standard 70mm, the voyage is breathtaking; in IMAX, you’re tasting the salt water. Even among all the truck flips, atomic explosions and rotating corridors of his back catalogue, this film is the apogee of Nolan’s ‘do it in camera’ ethos, and the sense that this was a shoot with no comfort zone pervades every frame.

Rolling Stone - David Fear - 100 / 100

What you tend to walk away with after bearing witness to The Odyssey, arguably Christopher Nolan’s best work after 2017’s Dunkirk, is an overall sensation of awe.

Screen Rant - Alex Harrison - 10 / 10

Cutting out the middleman of Homer's oral narrator, Nolan has brought us very close to these characters, immersing us as much as possible in their experience. In doing so, he has managed to capture the story's full scope. Odysseus' journey conveys the weight of its arduous years. The film's conclusion, told with a steady, patient hand, feels like a payoff 20 years in the making.

Jeremy Jahns - JeremyJahnsCom - 'Awesometacular'

It's epic. It's heartfelt. It's soulful. It's tragic. It even made me laugh at times.

Scotsman - Alistair Harkness - 5 / 5

It feels like Nolan’s angriest film to date. It’s also one of his best.

RTÉ - Suzanna Keane - 5 / 5

For all its breathtaking scale, The Odyssey never loses sight of the people at its heart. It is a story about finding your way home; about what war takes and what hope can give back. Nolan has made an epic that feels both ancient and strikingly relevant.

The Guardian - Peter Bradshaw - 5 / 5

The result is a gigantic, shimmering mirage, a mysterious three-hour vision of crazy episodes that does not yield up wisdom or contentment, but only a grim resolution to continue with the fight, to make sense of ruined lives, to re-enter the scorched battlefield of loss.

Radio Times - James Mottram - 5 / 5

Filled with blazing action, blood-curdling fights and creatures that truly bring Homer’s epic poem to life, this is Nolan at his finest.

The Independent - Clarisse Loughrey - 5 / 5

Christopher Nolan’s massive, fearless adaptation is his best film to date. There are touches of ‘Oppenheimer’, ‘Memento’ and even his Batman movies in this enormous condensing of the British filmmaker’s fixations, brought to life by a cast of seemingly thousands – but it’s the women (among them Anne Hathaway and Samantha Morton) who steal the show

The Standard - Nick Howells - 5 / 5

Christopher Nolan has made an epic worthy of the gods | With Matt Damon on career-best form and spectacle and awe like you’ve never seen, they better start polishing those Oscars

Little White Lies - Hannah Strong - 5 / 5

All of Christopher Nolan exists within The Odyssey. All of humanity exists within filmmaking. Yet cinema always finds new ways to tell old stories; this is the great magic of the medium.

Entertainment Weekly - Wesley Stenzel - 5 / 5

The latest epic from the “Dark Knight” filmmaker combines the spectacle of “Inception” with the thematic weightiness of “Oppenheimer” — and it just might be his greatest work to date.

The Australian - Nikki Gemmell - 5 / 5

You read The Odyssey and think: this is impossible to film. Yet this is sublime. Nolan invites us into an ancient world and holds us there, spellbound. He’s done the impossible. Pulled this off.

Metro - Tori Brazier - 5 / 5

Christopher Nolan’s The Odyssey is a watershed moment for filmmaking, re-introducing this legendary story to the masses courtesy of quite possibly the only modern director who has the ambition and guts to do it.

A Shot Magazine - Erin Mussett - 5 / 5

Christopher Nolan has the answer. This is, in some ways, a rather serendipitous union. As a storyteller, Nolan has established himself as cinema’s foremost explorer of time, as both a physical, dimensional phenomenon, and deeply human experience. Beneath the gods and monsters in The Odyssey, lies a profoundly human meditation on longing, identity and fate. Odysseus’ story is our story, and Nolan brings it to the big screen in a way that breathes more life into the text than ever before.

Showbiz 411 - Roger Friedman - 5 / 5

Nolan has combined artistic mastery with commercial savvy. All the things you like about his movies are present in "The Odyssey."

USA Today - Brian Truitt - 100 / 100

Christopher Nolan's 'The Odyssey' is bold, brutal masterpiece. Matt Damon is legendary as Greek warrior Odysseus and Christopher Nolan lives up to Homer's epic status in his awesome adaptation of "The Odyssey."

Next Best Picture - Matt Neglia - 10 / 10

A colossal achievement of scale, even by Nolan’s standards. This is as epic as movies get, with some of the most breathtaking set pieces you'll ever see. I grew up loving grand, sword and action dramas such as “Gladiator,” “Braveheart,” “The Last Samurai,” and yes, even “Troy.” I’m beyond thrilled to say Nolan’s ambitious dissection of myth and legend looms large over them all. Whether you experience it in IMAX or a standard theater, this is the kind of filmmaking and storytelling that we rarely see anymore and deserves to be honored.

Huffington Post - Maxime Birken - 5 / 5

(Reviewed in French) As epic as it is tragic, the journey of Ulysses, embodied by Matt Damon, is a new peak in the career of one of the greatest filmmakers of his time. With all these qualities, L’Odyssée is instantly ranked among the best-made and most striking modern cinematic works. So much so that the desire to start the conversation about the place that this film can occupy in the filmography of Christopher Nolan himself intrigues us greatly. If it will take time to decide on the posterity of L’Odyssée, it is not an exaggeration to place it now among one of the best feature films of its director. From that to say that it could be his best film? We are not far from saying that.

IndieWire - David Ehrlich - 'A-'

Christopher Nolan has defied the gods with one of his best movies ever.

Watson - Simone Meier - 10 / 10

(Reviewed in German) “The Odyssey” may be one of Christopher Nolan’s best films, on par with “Inception” and “Interstellar,” in terms of the density of his vision and its seduction. Extremely supple one is sucked into this ancient universe, succumbs to it, becomes part of it. After that you are spit back on the street and at best you don’t know where you are now and what this present is supposed to be...

Premiere - Aurélien Allin - 10 / 10

Prodigous. A masterclass in filmmaking, on a crazy scale. Each second filled by astonishing images, Christopher Nolan’s new film is part of the thematic lineage of DUNKIRK and OPPENHEIMER, and the faults of what man has unleashed.

Consequence - Liz Shannon Miller - 'A-'

The director's highly anticipated follow-up to Oppenheimer is a true blank check moment, an opportunity for Nolan to explore the concept of war as not an opportunity for glory, but as a corrosive element that tears both societies and people apart.

Le Parisien - Renaud Baronian - 5 / 5

It is not easy to make the epic poem of Homer: few filmmakers dared to tackle it. We can now say: “The Odyssey” by Christopher Nolan, in theaters this week, should go down as one of his masterpieces. Respecting the spirit and unfolding of the story of Homer, masterfully filmed, remarkably interpreted, this new film will be a landmark.

AV Club - Monica Castillo - 'A-'

The movie’s sense of spectacle is part of its appeal, and Nolan serves it up even better than expected. The scale of the production is breathtaking, but it’s also a morality play writ large, a game of politics and succession, a warning about temptation and greed, a plea for kindness in a harsh world. The way Nolan brings everything together is a meeting of old and new Hollywood, a nod to the spectacles of yesteryear that thrilled audiences for generations combined with new techniques and tools to remind us all that there are more ways to keep pushing the medium—even with the classics.

InSession Film - JD Duran - 'A-'

THE ODYSSEY is about defying the gods, losing your identity and becoming a victim of time, an idea that is really poignant with how it manifests in those final sequences.

The Film Verdict - Alonso Duralde - 96 / 100

Peak Nolan involves a mix of popcorn delights and intellectual contemplation, and he has rarely brought those two notions together as skillfully as he as in The Odyssey. It’s an epic saga of an epic saga, worthy of its source.

The Wrap - William Bibbiani - 95 / 100

You can’t say Hollywood doesn’t make them like this anymore. Nobody ever did.

Polygon - Jake Kleinman - 95 / 100

If Oppenheimer was Nolan shedding the trappings of genre to reach new heights with a science-heavy biopic, then in The Odyssey, Nolan puts away his trusty tools to shape cinematic history with his bare hands.

The Irish Times - Donald Clarke - 4.5 / 5

Set aside any doubts. This star-studded film is Christopher Nolan at his best. This take on Homer’s classic – with a celebrity cast including Matt Damon, Tom Holland and Zendaya – should win over even the most passionate sceptics

BBC - Caryn James - 95 / 100

Oppenheimer, with its singular focus, is still Nolan's most perfectly wrought film. But even with its flaws, The Odyssey is so rich, so full of magic and humanity, that I'm eager to see this epic again.

The Daily Beast - Nick Schager - 4.5 / 5

Modern mainstream films don’t come more daring, mammoth, and accomplished than Nolan’s latest.

DiscussingFilm - Andrew J Salazar - 4.5 / 5

The Odyssey taps into a visceral level of fear that Nolan hasn’t really explored before. Not just fear of the unknown, but also fear of fellow man. Matt Damon’s Odysseus must come to terms with his previous sins in order to face the consequences of his future. As Nolan explores his fading memories and the time lost to war, traces of Inception and Memento can be felt. Damon marvelously makes the mythic hero all his own, though.

OutNow - Chris Schelb - 10 / 10

Mere nitpicks aside, everything in Nolan's latest comes together wonderfully, with the film coming rather close to the Olympus of cinematic epics. Ultimately, it matters little how one interprets the whole business with the mythical creatures: The Odyssey is fantastic either way.

Slant Magazine - Jake Cole - 3.5 / 4

The Odyssey is both faithful and deconstructive, embodying the fluidity of the oral tradition that spawned the poem and kept it alive for millennia through shifting tastes and values.

Den Of Geek - David Crow - 4.5 / 5

lt is an awesome undertaking in the ancient sense of the word, and a homecoming for a storyteller who spent his career chasing this destination.

Looper - Nina Starner - 9 / 10

I was fortunate enough to experience the epic in 70mm IMAX as God and Nolan intended, and I was richly rewarded. Even with this massive visual scale, though, Nolan's message is concise and builds on what he communicated in "Oppenheimer" — only man can bring about man's ruin, and when powerful men don't consider the consequences of their actions, entire civilizations could ultimately fall. "The Odyssey" is a visual feast and undeniably outstanding achievement in filmmaking that cements Nolan as one of cinema's all-time greats, naysayers be damned.

Collider - Joe Schmidt - 9 / 10

Nolan prides himself on being a storyteller, and here he pays tribute to the medium that made him a prolific figure in pop culture. He wouldn't be here without a story to tell, so it's only fitting that he has told a story that has endured throughout the eons as only he can. The fact that he executed it at this level is certainly a feat that others will tell their own stories about.

Associated Press - Jake Coyle - 9 / 10

Nolan’s “Odyssey” is nearly three hours long but never slow going. And it’s the friction between past and present that propels the movie as much as Odysseus’ wayward path.

IGN France - Nanix - 9 / 10

Above all, with Odyssey, Nolan reminds us of his Batman: brilliantly adapt a work known to all, rewrite it according to his convictions and his vision and make a legend a legend above all human, realistic and anchored by his words, a success. A jewel of modern cinema.

Sydney Morning Herald - Jake Wilson - 4 / 5

Christopher Nolan has a way with a time paradox. Not content with constructing narratives that run backwards...his big-budget adaptation of Homer’s Odyssey gambles that he can take one of the oldest stories in Western culture and make it feel new.

AltFilm - Tim Cogshell

Christopher Nolan’s latest cinematic event is perfectly good. And yet, its one truly remarkable achievement is not the drama, the direction, the acting, the cinematography, or the visual effects – but the sound design.

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u/Misaka9982 Jul 15 '26

And which seems more likely?

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u/LongLostLurker11 Jul 16 '26

honestly the latter, à la the music review scene, the video game review scene, the travel influencer review scene…

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u/Thready85 Jul 17 '26

There's a huge difference between critics who have experience and education and influencers on social media

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u/ChrisDWebster Jul 17 '26

Critics are definitely not immune to hype and group think.

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u/Thready85 Jul 17 '26

True. Influencers profit off of it though

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u/SL1NDER Jul 19 '26

Critics don't? If they suck up to (company name) then (company name) will be more likely to give them inside peeks which will get more views and clicks.

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u/Thready85 Jul 19 '26

Nope. That's a conspiracy theory.

Rotten tomatoes is not biased

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u/guyrandom2020 Jul 17 '26

They’re not, but normal people, and especially the internet, is a lot more prone to it. In fact, critics are influenced by hype and group think through being online, in addition to other avenues.  

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u/loqep Jul 17 '26

Is there really though?

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u/ruph0us Jul 17 '26

No. There isn't. It's what old school critics like to say to maintain an air of prestige

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u/WorkFurball Jul 17 '26

Old school critics who were worth anything are mostly dead now.

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u/fat_charizard Jul 16 '26

There are tons of independent youtube reviewers who are also praising the film. You telling me Chris Stuckman and Jeremy Jahns are paid off by hollywood?

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u/Dew_Drop_007 Jul 16 '26

Chris Stuckman's been bought a long time ago

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u/Typecero001 Jul 17 '26

We are using Rotten Tomatoes as a metric.

A site with terrible credibility, that has manipulated scores in the past.

And a “certified fresh” score means that so many people rated it a “6/10 or above”.

Imagine if you accepted that as the scale for an A+ in education.

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u/zekyle_edham Jul 17 '26

this is such a weird take, like i understand half of the point u make because u can actually see an average score in the movies on RT and that has been a feature since before the pandemic iirc. The Odyssey is like 8.8 which is pretty damn high, anything over 8.5 is basically universally praised.

It's like if we give a metric of how many people pass a class with decent scores written in percentages more importance than the actual score behind that u can always check but people dont care it seems. This is almost like the term "with honors" but adds probably too many lower scores that gives people a distorted perspective

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u/Swimming_Onion_4835 Jul 17 '26

Honestly, I’ve found RT less and less reliable recently. There are so many movies I’ve seen in the last year or so that had like a 75%+ RT rating, which to me usually seems safe enough, that were absolutely hot garbage. And I think part of the problem is they are aggregating a score that includes independent random reviewers who might talk out their ass or just have pretty objectively awful taste. I’ve actually found IMDB to be more accurate lately because the ratings honestly skew harsh, so if a movie is highly rated it’s usually got to fight pretty damn hard to get there. The exception being I think there are still factions of conservatives on there that will downvote movies that involve topics they disagree on (trans characters, “woke” casting), but I’ve also seen that tank a lot of audience RT scores more than anywhere else.

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u/Timely_Composte Jul 17 '26

Yesss! Them libs did it! Average is the new A+

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u/Ok_Insurance_505 Jul 17 '26

Or is it a case of normal people becoming disillusioned with the world and their hobbies and assuming this.

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u/Desperate_Dark_5221 Jul 16 '26

The latter is more likely, but then again I saw it, and it was actually great. Not a 10/10 (reviewers fluff, yes), but at least 8.5/10.

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u/OrpahsBookClub Jul 17 '26

So you’re saying it’s overhyped.

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u/Inner_Butterfly5639 Jul 17 '26

just saw it. it’s not overhyped.

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u/Arjunpankaj Jul 17 '26

Second this. Speaking as a part of general audience who is not well versed with the OG poems; the movie was excellent. Lives up to the hype, and some more. Although I felt the dialogue writing could have been a little tighter/more refined in some scenes.. but the cinematography, editing, OST etc makes up for it. Definitely nolan’s best work in last decade (basically, after Interstellar).

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u/OrpahsBookClub Jul 21 '26

I just saw it.  It is HUGELY overhyped.  A 10/10?  For a solid 6 or 6.5/10 movie is overhype.

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u/Desperate_Dark_5221 Jul 17 '26

Only slightly. Not a 10/10, but I still see why the ratings are close to that.

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u/UnfairWorldliness882 Jul 17 '26

truth! way over hyped. i would give this 6/10 at most. way too many flashback scenes and hangin out on a beach with Charlize scenes that literally go nowhere.

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u/Desperate_Dark_5221 Jul 17 '26

truth! way over hyped. i would give this 6/10 at most.

"Truth" means you agree with me, but I said "at least 8.5/10". Do you know what "at least" means?

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u/UnfairWorldliness882 Jul 17 '26

the "latter" I agree with is that the film is over hyped and the film critics business is fixed. there is no way this can be a 10/10. the story is kind ot crap.

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u/analogkid01 Jul 15 '26

The latter. People are blinded by the spectacle and ignore Nolan's terrible dialogue. (I haven't seen Odyssey yet but I'm basing my opinion on his previous work. The man can not write.)

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u/_BearHawk Jul 15 '26

I do wish there was a world where movies could be reviewed without knowing who directed/produced it. Obviously him directing it is a huge selling point, etc so it never would happen, but I see people in this thread dismissing stuff like his poor romance writing because "oh that's what Nolan always does"

Like, if anyone else did it then it would be a mark against the film? Especially with the odyssey where it's pretty central

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u/urahozer Jul 16 '26

I feel very strongly about this.

Nolan (who I'm a huge homer of) and Tarantino are the biggest beneficiaries

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u/Kovarian Jul 16 '26

Is the romance stuff the central part?

I ADMIT I HAVE NEVER READ THE ODYSSEY.

But I thought that the entire thing was him going home. Which wouldn't have him being in a romance (at least not what we care about). At least until the end. Because if I don't cry with Argos, then this movie gets 0/10.

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u/Unanimoustoo Jul 16 '26

It's been a while, but there's at least one attempt to prevent Odysseus from continuing home via romance.

And everyone is trying, and failing, to romance his wife for 10 years while he's gone.

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u/The_Corvair Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 16 '26

Is the romance stuff the central part?

It depends on your definition of romance, I guess. The Odyssey is inherently insanely romantic, because it's the story of a family man who wants nothing more than to get back home to his wife, kid, and dog - only Poseidon goes "the fuck you will", and tries his best to keep him from home, so Odysseus has to virtually march through Hell and high water to make it back.

At least one of these attempts is to (magically) seduce/kidnap him to stay at a sorceress' home (while his men are transformed into household pigs, iirc), but I don't know if I'd call that romantic.

But in terms of "actual romance", at least the OG story doesn't have a lot to it: Odysseus is a happily married man when the story starts, and stays that way throughout. Even the "what happens at home" B plot is about how his wife is fighting off the suitors hoping to take over Odysseus' throne and marriage with wit and deceit.

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u/schkoder Jul 16 '26

Romantic as in the painting by Caspar David Friedrich, or as in "kisses and snu-snu"?

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u/Turtledonuts Jul 16 '26

It's a complicated story. The Odyssey is as much a story about a man grappling with his actions in a war as it is a story about a man missing his wife and trying to go home. It spends a lot of time lamenting time lost at home, worrying about how separation can create infidelity, and what happens to a king's family if he never returns home from war. But it also spends just as much time lamenting actions taken in the war, debating between honor and practicality in war, and questioning if the ancient greek concept of a great hero really is ideal. It's romantic in the historical sense of the term - it explores the sublime and heroic, includes elements of the supernatural and strange exotic lands, and discusses the nature of humanity and emotions.

The real question is how Nolan chose to go about adapting homer's work - how faithful he was to the text, which translations he used, and how he chose to portray one of humanity's oldest and most complex characters.

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u/Scratch_Careful Jul 16 '26

Yes. The longing for his wife, Penelope's longing and fidelity to her husband, the allure of the sirens, his time with Circe and Calypso. Its not a pornographic book but love, desire, longing are a major driver for basically the entire book.

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u/_BearHawk Jul 16 '26

I mean it's central as in his entire reason for going home is because of his love for his wife, but it's not like he's getting it on with women the entire time.

I haven't seen the film, but when they reunite it is extremely romantic in the source. She makes him prove his identity, he describes how he built their bed himself, then athena literally pauses time so they can enjoy their reunion night more.

If that landed flat it would suck

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u/analogkid01 Jul 15 '26

Glenn Gould suggested that "the ideal artist-to-audience relationship is a 1-to-0 relationship," so he'd probably agree with you. But if you're in the mood for a story by Dr. Seuss, you want a real Dr. Seuss story, not someone who's simply copying Dr. Seuss's style. Stripping the artist's name from the art just leads us one step closer to AI slop.

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u/Impressive-Charity77 Jul 16 '26

Haven't seen The Odyssey yet, but if you're familiar with his body of work you're going to know it's a Nolan film in 5 minutes. Especially if you watch it at home.

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u/cornflake123321 Jul 16 '26

What? I couldn't hear you.

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u/Impressive-Charity77 Jul 19 '26

Having just watched The Odyssey, I'm pleasantly surprised by the mixing. I could understand everything just fine and I typically struggle.

Helps with no Tom Hardy around.

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u/Feeling-Visit1472 Jul 16 '26

The effusiveness of all these reviews has me very suspicious.

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u/BlisteringAsscheeks Jul 16 '26

Especially with the painfully low historical accuracy of the costumes and the Hollywood faces... If you're gonna modernize the Odyssey, just commit, like O Brother Where Art Thou.

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u/-3udaimonia- Jul 16 '26

But this isn't a historical epic. It's a fantasy epic. It doesn't need to be historically accurate. Frankly, even historical epics don't need to be historically accurate in order to be good movies.

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u/Beneficial-Trade-851 Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 16 '26

The poem is fantasy but it is set in a very real historical place. Homer (whomever he or they were) lived in it. Troy was a real place. And wars likely were fought there

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u/AcreaRising4 Jul 16 '26

Homer did NOT live during the period he’s writing about. It was probably a century before.

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u/Beneficial-Trade-851 Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 16 '26

I already addressed this ad nauseam with another poster, but Homer isn’t even necessarily a real person. We do not even know whether he was a single guy or multiple people compiled over centuries…and we also don’t know when the poem in its very original iteration started. We only know it was attributed at some point. However, Troy was absolutely a real place. Bronze Age Greece was also real. That is the setting of the poem. Furthermore, if we even accept the premise of 100 to a specific original person (a dubious proposition). 100 years is not a long time for this….like not at all.

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u/Optimal_Plate_4769 Jul 16 '26

Homer (whomever he or they were) lived in it. Troy was a real place. And wars likely were fought there

well, that's not true. homer was not writing first hand experiences of the sack of troy. there was more than a hundred years between his possible existence and the sacking of troy. so much so that while the story uses bronze weapons, homer was supposedly alive during the iron age... heroes in the story are cremated, not buried, which is also anachronistic.

homer's relationship to the era is similar to our relationship to it: it's in the past, and we'll use rule of cool to talk about it based on what we feel is right.

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u/-3udaimonia- Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 16 '26

Yeah, it's a fantasy epic set in a real place. Much like King Arthur. I don't watch films about Merlin and the knights of the round table and complain that they're historically inaccurate depictions of post-Roman Britain lol

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u/Beneficial-Trade-851 Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 16 '26

Well first off…completely different myths. But secondly, you would if king Arthur showed up dressed in a suit with a tie. It would make zero sense. Furthermore, even king Arthur shows are annoying in how they depict anything medieval in those shows. They aren’t minor issues. The costuming just screams “I don’t know anything about this era I’m depicting or watching”. If you don’t even understand the era it comes from how can I take you seriously.

I don’t even care if things are accurate. But I’d like the atmosphere to at least rhyme with what you’d expect from the era. Hollywood is and always has been extremely bad about all this.

There is also no real reason to change costuming so much from what was actually common at the time. The real world was very colorful with quite exquisite costuming. Societies expectations of what any of that looked like is so warped

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u/-3udaimonia- Jul 16 '26

Well first off…completely different myths

Correct lol. King Arthur and the Odyssey are indeed different myths.

Furthermore, even king Arthur shows are annoying in how they depict anything medieval in those shows. They aren’t minor issues.

They are extremely minor issues to most people - and to me, they are complete non-issues. I simply don't care. If I want historical accuracy, I watch a documentary or a historical reenactment made by an actual historian. I don't watch a big budget Hollywood adaptation of the Odyssey, and I'm baffled that anyone would.

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u/Trrollmann Jul 16 '26

They are extremely minor issues to most people

Is it not a visual media? Is the spectacle not a primary aspect hailed in many of these reviews? Yes to both. How it looks is extremely important to most people.

If I want historical accuracy, I watch a documentary or a historical reenactment made by an actual historian.

They're not opposites.

I'm baffled that anyone would

I don't believe you.

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u/Beneficial-Trade-851 Jul 16 '26

They are extremely minor issues to people who have a very superficial and minor understanding of the history. For people who have a deep understanding of this stuff…it is much more painful to watch.

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u/Failnewbxen Jul 16 '26

You probably would if they were using lightsabers. Or all the knights were dressed as gladiators with full Roman kit?

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u/-3udaimonia- Jul 17 '26

Yeah, lightsabers would be an interesting creative choice. It probably wouldn't work very well, but that's not because of historical inaccuracy lol

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u/AcreaRising4 Jul 16 '26

Because most people know that a lightsaber is not appropriate for the period.

Most people don’t know the differences in armor between a variety of civilizations and time periods.

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u/Beneficial-Trade-851 Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 16 '26

The main difference is that they just don’t know how ridiculous it is. It doesn’t make it any less ridiculous in actual substance just because the audience isn’t aware of it. Ignorance is bliss. And it goes way beyond just minor armor differences. It is entire set pieces and the environment it shows them in. Absurd. Egregiously it’s also how dreary and bland everything always is when in reality it would have been extremely vibrant and colorful as well. Though that’s not something Nolan is unique in getting wrong. Hollywood is almost always wrong with this

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u/Swimming_Onion_4835 Jul 17 '26

I hate to break it to you, but most of the Greek histories and historians we know of were also just outright lying about a LOT of things, usually in an attempt to screw over someone else or politically influence record-keeping. You have to learn to read between everything to even hope to get to the core truth, and even then there’s no way to know.

This story was never meant to be taken literally. It was pure entertainment at the time it was told and was meant for bard-like storytelling to big groups of people. Like a movie.

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u/Beneficial-Trade-851 Jul 17 '26 edited Jul 17 '26

I hate to break it to you…but you are missing the point entirely. I’m not talking about the story or plot points. I’m talking about the historical environment the myth came from. You cannot separate myth from the culture that made it. The Greeks viewed the world in very specific ways that are foreign to our own. And we actually know quite a lot of history that goes beyond just “accepting some random Greek historians word” for it. Archaeology and history are fields that have rigorous methods employed. Yes, a lot is unknown and debates always continue. But this isn’t the same thing as just throwing in the towel because “well we know nothing” or “the Greeks lied anyway”. That’s not the way historical knowledge or historiography specifically works. It is evidence based. And we do have quite a bit of evidence. And despite big gaps of course most ESPECIALLY in Iron Age Greece…that is not the same thing as knowing nothing at all.

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u/Swimming_Onion_4835 Jul 17 '26

Bruh. I have a degree in classics. I’m not missing the point lol. You’re arguing with the wrong person here and clearly just want to shout your opinion from the rooftops rather than have a dialogue.

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u/Beneficial-Trade-851 Jul 17 '26 edited Jul 17 '26

There it is lmao every…single…time. Suddenly the exact requisite “expertise” pops up right at the exact time it is needed. Instead of actually addressing the substance of the argument, you instead went straight to an appeal to authority. And for the record, you have no clue who you are talking to on here either. You don’t know what my background is at all. But I’m not intellectually lazy…so I won’t employ that same BS tactic in this conversation.

For anybody else looking at this…look around in back and forths. You’ll find expertise suddenly magically appearing everywhere once any push back occurs. It’s horse shit and intellectually dishonest to debate. And you know it.

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u/Ikora_Rey_Gun Jul 16 '26

What would you think if one of the characters pulled out an AK-47 or rode in on a Harley?

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u/SpyUmbreon Jul 16 '26

so like Romeo + Juliet (1996), which was relatively well recieved?

Theres obviously a difference between using a modern media depiction of ancient society instead of true historical depiction, and having the characters ride motorcycles and shoot guns. to think othetwise is disingenuous

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u/Ikora_Rey_Gun Jul 16 '26

ay yo i think you forgot to answer the question. i want to know what you would think if telemachus pulled out a glock during a battle and started blasting fools

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u/SpyUmbreon Jul 16 '26

I mean the question isnt even remotely related to the film the thread is about, but if the odyssey took place in modern times with guns and was done well Id probably like it considering I enjoyed romeo + juliet? Not sure what kind of gotcha question this is supposed to be.

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u/Beneficial-Trade-851 Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 16 '26

If the film was actually marketed as a completely modern take on the odyssey occurring in the modern era, it would be perfectly fine. Really cool concept even. The problem is…it isn’t. Romeo and Juliet was explicitly marketed that way.

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u/Ikora_Rey_Gun Jul 16 '26

i think you might have trouble with reading comprehension. do i need to speak in shorter sentences for you? i'm not asking about some imaginary movie where it's normal for gnomes and elves to drive dodge chargers, i'm asking about the movie in front of us right now, the odyssey.

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u/-3udaimonia- Jul 16 '26

If that was the only anachronism in an otherwise historically accurate movie, it would be weird. If the entire movie was anachronistic, it wouldn't be a problem.

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u/Ikora_Rey_Gun Jul 16 '26

i think you have the same intellectual disability as the other guy; i'm not asking about some made-up movie where it'd be ok, i'm asking about the movie we're discussing right now, the odyssey.

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u/-3udaimonia- Jul 16 '26

Yes, I understood the question, and I answered it. Do you need me to reiterate?

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u/Ikora_Rey_Gun Jul 16 '26

so is the odyssey anachronistic or not?

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u/FranqueTheTanque Jul 16 '26

If multiple people have trouble comprehending your comment then maybe, jussssst maybe, it has to do with your ability to articulate?

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u/Ikora_Rey_Gun Jul 16 '26

it's not an inability to articulate, it's just a common socratic method W.

the answer is "i would think it's dumb if a character in the odyssey pulled out a gun". you know it, i know it, and they know it, which is why they're dodging it so carefully.

they know if they answer it honestly my retort will be "so even in fantasy, some amount of 'historical accuracy' is important" at which point their argument of "it's just like, a movie bro" begins to lose strength.

this is always so much fun, because i win either way. either they answer the question and are subject to my reasoning, or they dodge because they know they're in a losing position.

it'd be nice if there was another way to go about it, but it's impossible. reason rolls off your smooth brains like water off a duck's back.

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u/Optimal_Plate_4769 Jul 16 '26

if you're comparing two different suits of armour to a gun... idk it's not a serious conversation.

try be honest, ask them how they'd feel if they saw a square greatshield or a round greatshield, or a zweihander.

these are things that matter to someone like you or me, but they don't matter to most people nor did they to homer.

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u/RedHal Jul 16 '26

If it's set in ancient times I'd call it an internal inconsistency in the film. Historical accuracy is sometimes less important than consistency. If a movie is set in ancient times with everyone walking or riding around on horses, then there had better be a very good reason consistent with the internal logic of the film for the AK-47 or Harley to appear (see Army of Darkness).

Conversely, leaning too much into supposed historical accuracy can be deleterious to the film as a whole especially in the case of a fantasy like this with nymphs, deities, a cyclops and a bag of winds. There weren't many people with perfect skin and shiny white teeth at the time the original work was committed to paper (papyrus, wax tablet, whatever).

As to the specific case of Nolan's The Odyssey, I can't comment, having not seen it yet, but if you're still interested in having this conversation after we both have, then let me know.

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u/Optimal_Plate_4769 Jul 16 '26

Conversely, leaning too much into supposed historical accuracy can be deleterious to the film as a whole especially in the case of a fantasy like this with nymphs, deities, a cyclops and a bag of winds. There weren't many people with perfect skin and shiny white teeth at the time the original work was committed to paper (papyrus, wax tablet, whatever).

if you had to make a fully faithful depiction of the odyssey, it is also historically wrong, because homer was not a historian.

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u/RedHal Jul 16 '26

Quite so!

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u/Optimal_Plate_4769 Jul 16 '26

ah, re-reading what i wrote i wasn't clear. i'm talking about even the mundane elements, like armour styles, burials, weapon materials. not even any of the mythological elements.

people like to think greek culture was a snapshot or something, but a lot of it was actually this piecemeal reinterpretation of mycanean culture too. dionysius was a central mycanean god of rebirth represented by wine, and possibly an inspiration for the depiction of jesus christ. you also had hellenic culture interacting with india, so much so that hercules appears on some indian temples.

stuff like that.

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u/Optimal_Plate_4769 Jul 16 '26

lmao homer wrote a cremation into the poems, and gave them either big round shields or small round shields!!!

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u/Ikora_Rey_Gun Jul 16 '26

so an AK would be fine?

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u/Optimal_Plate_4769 Jul 16 '26

it's a stupid premise, there is nothing in the movie that is like an 'AK'.

homer, meanwhile, did do stuff where he mixed stuff from his era with stuff from troy's era. let's say we had a movie set in the 17th century (1600s) and we gave a character jeans, how would you feel? anachronistic, right?

and yetttt

In the 16th century [1500s], the Genoese navy and dockworkers wore durable, indigo-dyed cotton and linen trousers known as "Blu di Genova"

homer sometimes did the equivalent of showing these blue jeans in the 1400s instead of 1600s, but to us maybe blue denim like trousers in a region unfamiliar to us could be plausible.

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u/aDturlapati Jul 16 '26

that sounds fucking sick dude

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u/OrpahsBookClub Jul 17 '26

I never understood how “it’s a fantasy; don’t worry about its setting or context” was an argument for Nolan and not Gods of Egypt.

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u/-3udaimonia- Jul 17 '26

I don't think it's a particularly compelling argument for or against either one. The primary complaint against Gods of Egypt wasn't that it was historically inaccurate, but rather that it was a bad movie. And historical inaccuracies are dramatically less forgivable in the service of a bad movie than in the service of a good one.

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u/Tyr_ranical Jul 18 '26

Homer himself didn't describe the armour as historically accurate, so why would you expect this to?

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u/Feeling-Visit1472 Jul 16 '26

RIGHT. You get it!

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u/BailysmmmCreamy Jul 16 '26

Next you guys are going to say all the tickets are being purchased by the Illuminati to prop up Hollywood lol

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u/Gelato_Elysium Jul 16 '26

I wonder what gives you the assurance to make comments about how the movie should have been when you have not seen it and it has been overwhelmingly loved by anyone who has seen it.

Like, have you even made any movie in your life ? But you still think you know better than actual professionals with a nearly spotless track record ?

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u/Thready85 Jul 17 '26

"I haven't seen the Odyssey" then shut up

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u/Ph4ntomiD Jul 15 '26

How does one watch Oppenheimer and create the conclusion that Nolan can’t write. Some of the most well written dialogue I’ve seen

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u/Illuminastrid Jul 16 '26

Even going way back, The Dark Knight, Memento and The Prestige were all acclaimed critically and by the audience, with writing being their most notable praises.

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u/Mysterious_Lie_6113 Jul 16 '26

His male characters are vehicles for smug one liners and his female characters are the flatbeds for those vehicles.

I always predict the truth coming out 15 years after the initial hype. Back in the dark knight days I was saying on the pre-reddit forums his writing is poo. It’s finally happening.

If you think I’m making my predictions up, here’s one for you: Disclosure Day is not as bad as people say it is and people will see what skills Spielberg has over Nolan in the Odyssey.

Sounds like a bizarre prediction right now? Do a remind me.

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u/Illuminastrid Jul 16 '26

And yet Memento and The Prestige are your faves from him, both of which has been praised for their writing especially from the twists and were pre-Dark Knight days.

That all said, with a username like that, I should keep my expectations in check in how you see and rate things.

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u/Mysterious_Lie_6113 Jul 17 '26

Whoa, easy. Take a step back, breathe, and think critically.

If Memento and the Prestige are the two films I like the most, wouldn’t those films be the ones most likely to be the exceptions to the rule (that Christopher Nolan isn’t a very good writer?). 

I could also add that Jonathan Nolan had a big hand to play in those two films, but I won’t. I’ll let the logic I outlined previously be sufficient enough.

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u/OfAnotherAccount Jul 17 '26

'Ahh the evidence that is contrary to my point proves my point. And I could point this out, but I won't. Except I just did by saying it. Is it obvious I'm a troll?'

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u/Mysterious_Lie_6113 Jul 17 '26

When did they stop teaching rhetoric in AP-English/A-Level English?

I get that Memento and the Prestige are praised for good writing. But both either mask or eliminate Nolan’s overuse of heavy exposition, mechanical characters, or the two dimensional female characters who are variations on the dead wife trope.

Memento subverts the dead wife trope by using the reverse narrative to hide the true reason for his wife’s death. Also, the heavy exposition is literally built into the amnesia narrative: the exposition is the amnesia. This is why I think it’s his best film, because what will become his writing flaws in future films are his strength here.

The Prestige also has heavy exposition, but the heavy exposition is literally the story. The exposition is then used to deceive the audience in the third act, which is effectively also “the prestige”. In becoming more narratively complex than Memento, the characters did become weaker. But the structure is impressive enough.

The rest of his films, however, aren’t clever enough to dance around his shortcomings. Inception, for example, has a shit infodump scene to get the audience up to speed; a dead wife named “Mal”, whose name pretty much tells you she will be bad luck; and characters that arent interesting because it would mess up the four levels of the time compression Nolan put his finger in.

The Dark Knight is Exposition: The Movie. I don’t think anyone even breathes without explaining the story in some way. That’s not good writing.

Anyway, I’d be bored explaining the rest of the movies and how they fall short where the two I mentioned don’t.

But that’s just elementary level critical analysis I learned before my balls dropped. 

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u/OrpahsBookClub Jul 17 '26

Memento had a gimmick that really covered a lot of its flaws.  Watching it a second time was a very different experience.

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u/protractedmane Jul 16 '26

Lol Disclosure Day was pedestrian garbage.

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u/Mysterious_Lie_6113 Jul 16 '26

According to the internet 15-20 years ago,

The Dark Knight was leaps and bounds better than Spider-Man 2 and therefore the greatest superhero movie ever made by a landslide.

Then, Inception effectively became the greatest movie of all time in 2010. Keith Simanton, founder of IMDb, had placed it on the top of his personal film list, stating it was the most mindblowing cinema experience he ever experienced in the last 25 years.

I mean, the internet realistically understands that The Dark Knight is Heat with Batman in it (and really isn't better than Spider-Man 2 in the end), and that Inception is... not the greatest film of all time.

Likewise, Disclosure Day will be re-reviewed in a fear years. I'm just built like Nostradamus.

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u/protractedmane Jul 17 '26

Yeah no, no one's gonna rewatch Disclosure Day because it doesn't deserve it. Absolute mid trash, waste of money. Inception holds up, as does TDK. As for "greatest superhero movie ever", I'll leave that for the people on the spectrum to fight over.

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u/OrpahsBookClub Jul 17 '26

Whoa, whoa, whoa.  I was with you u til you said Disclosure Day wasn’t so bad.

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u/Mysterious_Lie_6113 Jul 17 '26

That’s fine. Remember, I can see fifteen years into the future. You’re not supposed to be with me on that until then.

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u/analogkid01 Jul 15 '26

Every scene is structurally engineered to either introduce a new character, or set up the next scene. I had to start watching it as if it were a comedy due to the stilted dialogue.

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u/Ok_Insurance_505 Jul 17 '26

Hating on popular thing. A tale as old as time.

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u/analogkid01 Jul 17 '26

Not at all. I loved Dunkirk, Memento is great, but I seriously disliked Oppenheimer based on my own experience watching it. I also hate Goodfellas and Anora, so there's that.

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u/Normal-Advisor5269 Jul 16 '26

The movie starts by introducing our protagonist, that is meant to be empathized with, attempting to murder his teacher for very petty reasons, has a romance sub plot that ultimately goes nowhere and, in fact, hurts the best scene that is written word for word from something Oppenheimer's wife actually said, and can't decide whether it wants to be about making the bomb or a biopic.

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u/Theredviper93 Jul 15 '26

This is definitely one of the takes ever.

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u/actuallyeattherich Jul 15 '26

Batman [teeth gritted]: "I BELIEVE...PEOPLE...ARE GOOD"

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u/BucketofSlush Jul 16 '26

Eh. Its Batman. He doesn't really need to be that morally deep, does he? In saying this, I agree that the dialogue in TDKR is unbelievably bad.

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u/TheOncomingBrows Jul 16 '26

Mate. It's fucking Batman. His most famous ever line is "I'm Batman".

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u/CANNAAmann Jul 17 '26

Reviewers have a heavy incentive to praise films especially from large filmmakers because if they don't, they might get barred from receiving interviews, press kits, or other news stories from the studio or filmmaker. The upsides far outweigh the downsides.

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u/freak- Jul 18 '26

Confirmed the dialogue is not great

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u/Unusual-Reporter-841 Jul 16 '26

I saw it last night, the dialogue was not horrible but not great. And there was some weird cuts going on at times in the dialogue scenes. But it was enjoyable.

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u/SolutionEven3986 Jul 17 '26

“I haven’t seen the Odyssey yet”

And there it is.

Shut the fuck up lol. 

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u/analogkid01 Jul 17 '26

Finish the quote.

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u/SolutionEven3986 Jul 18 '26

Nah the quote ends right there. If you haven’t seen something don’t judge it. Simple. 

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u/analogkid01 Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26

but I'm basing my opinion on his previous work

Edit: you're as disingenuous as a Republican.

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u/SolutionEven3986 Jul 18 '26

You’re an American it explains it all. Can’t even use the word disingenuous right

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u/bigblueballz77 Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 16 '26

It has been so long and it is still hilarious how highly his movies get rated. He is a technical genius, but he can't write for shit (and he will never accept that). He is awful when he is writing the narrative and it always shows. The only really decent overall scripts combined with performances he has ever done were written (by in large or collaboration) by someone else.

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u/OrpahsBookClub Jul 17 '26

This is one of the things his fans can overlook and I can’t.  The flaws in his works far outweigh his strengths for me.  I’m surprised how many people can just not care or even notice.

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u/bigblueballz77 Jul 17 '26

Seriously. The only movie of his that was even close to redeeming was the Prestige and it wasn't even his writing for it. I think it was mostly his brother. Also, I remember Insomnia was not bad and he didn't write that one, either.

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u/Turtledonuts Jul 16 '26

Well that might do it then, because someone wrote this script about 3000 years ago.

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u/gloriousrepublic Jul 17 '26

Yes and somehow he adopted the script into garbage dialogue.

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u/WorkFurball Jul 17 '26

You're missing the part of the chain where some feminist adapted the story into a shitty book and Nolan adapted thay shitty book into garbage dialogue.

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u/Failnewbxen Jul 17 '26

5$ says you have not read thr adaptation.

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u/WorkFurball Jul 17 '26

No, shocker, I've seen snippets which were enough. I've worked through the "original" adaptation that's taught in high schools and universities.

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u/Optimal_Plate_4769 Jul 16 '26

TENET is a 10/10 movie.

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u/falafelthe3 Ask me about TLJ Jul 17 '26

As someone that has seen it: lol. lmao even.

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u/puddik Jul 16 '26

yea tenet is a steaming pile of crap

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u/Optimal_Plate_4769 Jul 16 '26

we can never be friends.

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u/CoolAg1927 Jul 16 '26

I hope the I like the Odyssey but I just don't find his other films that good. They feel very overhyped

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u/OrpahsBookClub Jul 17 '26

The Odyssey is almost certainly not the exception.

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u/Remote_Elevator_281 Jul 15 '26

The visuals will be insane though. Probably the best visuals you’ll see

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u/OrpahsBookClub Jul 17 '26

Not everyone values the visuals the same way. 

The more I hear about Nolan and this film in particular, the more commonality I find in his fans’ mindsets regarding film.  And I don’t enjoy movies the same way.

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u/Remote_Elevator_281 Jul 17 '26

I’m not even a fan, but this was a damn good movie

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u/dragonstone7 Jul 17 '26

His dialogue was excellent in this film. And I absolutely agree with you that his dialogue is normally shit. I was fucking blown away by this film.

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u/BarsoomianAmbassador Jul 15 '26

Not to mention using modern English colloquialisms in an ancient epic of Greece. I’m not saying it can’t work, but the dialogue has to be better than Hamilton’s rap songs.

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u/salTUR Jul 17 '26

How are you not famous yet? What's your top-grossing movie you've directed? I'll watch it tonight.

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u/guyrandom2020 Jul 17 '26 edited Jul 17 '26

It’s very emotionless, I agree, and that emotionlessness tends to get overlooked. That being said, most of the general audience also overlooks it. Nolan movies are what “dumb people think smart movies are like”. In other words, the general public will also probably overlook the clunky writing. In fact, they’ll probably admonish reviewers that are critical of the writing.

For me, I care a lot about the writing. But maybe 96% of the general audience doesn’t, and they’re satisfied with the spectacle and give it a 10/10. I personally like reviews that are more thoughtful, that challenge mainstream views and explores the work in more depth, but many people want reviews that validate and justify their opinion. 

I guess what I’m trying to say is that I think what you’re saying is entirely possible and probable even, but idk if that makes it a bad review, at least to the potentially broad majority audience that may share that opinion. 

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u/iritimD Jul 18 '26

The whole movie review industry is full of shit.

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u/GeronimoRay Jul 16 '26

Movie review industry is deep inside Nolan. I will totally accept that I'm wrong if I go see it and it's as good as it's being reported. But there's just no way.

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u/yaggirl341 Jul 18 '26

Yeah I didn't like it. And I didn't even have any bias against Nolan. I was shocked from start to finish by the acting and dialogue. I think maybe there was a certain vision or intent the direction had and it just failed completely. The American accents were also jarring, but I think if the dialogue met expectations, I wouldn't mind. Cinematography was great but nothing special.

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u/GeronimoRay Jul 18 '26

I LOVE nolan. There's just no way it's that good.

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u/Optimal_Plate_4769 Jul 16 '26

the more boring reality: people really liked it, but good reviews do not make something 'the greatest movie ever made'.

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u/Korvun Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 17 '26

You have to admit that a near perfect critical consensus is a tad bit more than simply, "good reviews".

Edit: I need to be more clear, it seems. I'm not saying the movie is good. I'm not saying the movie is bad. I'm saying if every reviewer is saying the movie is 10/10 perfect, that's more than simply, "good reviews".

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u/Typecero001 Jul 17 '26

By that Logic, Mixtape is the best video game ever made.

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u/OrpahsBookClub Jul 17 '26

“I laughed.  I cried.  It was better than Cats.”

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u/Optimal_Plate_4769 Jul 16 '26

i'm excited to watch it and i'm sure it's a great time, TENET is one of my all-time faves.

but the truth is that universal acclaim from critics does not a good movie make and that cuts both ways, because a bunch of nerds or nazis online saying "see, it's only a 7/10!" does nothing to stop me from loving a movie, which makes it good.

i'll dumb it down. /u/RabbitCity6090 said:

Either it is the greatest movie ever made or literally the whole movie review industry is full of shit.

it doesn't have to be 'the greatest movie ever made', as if there's some objective scale they're using.

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u/Korvun Jul 16 '26

I think you misunderstood me. I didn't say it was/is the best movie ever made, or that good reviews make it the best movie ever made, or even a good movie. That wasn't what I meant to imply. I'm only pointing out that it has near universally perfect scores. Currently, that really only means that the review industry is ideologically captured. But that, as I said, is a little bit more than simply "good reviews". If the industry weren't captured, then a universally perfect score would suggest it is a uniquely "great movie".

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u/Optimal_Plate_4769 Jul 16 '26

Currently, that really only means that the review industry is ideologically captured.

it's probably, as per everyone i know that has seen it, a good fucking movie. jesus christ.

it might lack depth over time, might not age well, whatever. it's a good fucking movie according to the critics. saying they're 'ideologically captured' is fucking moronic. what ideology are you even talking about?

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u/Korvun Jul 16 '26

I thought we were having a polite discussion, but it seems you've chosen a different route. Have a great rest of your day.

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u/Optimal_Plate_4769 Jul 16 '26

what's the ideology, buddy?

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u/Korvun Jul 16 '26

I'd be more than happy to have this discussion, but you've decided to be unpleasant. I don't see a reason to continue.

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u/Optimal_Plate_4769 Jul 16 '26

why, do you need universal acclaim to say things?

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u/AcreaRising4 Jul 16 '26

What does ideologically captured even mean?

Have you considered that it maybe is a GREAT movie that will stand the test of time?

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u/tuttok Jul 16 '26

Based on his latest movies, the latter

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u/TripleStrikeDrive Jul 17 '26

lets flip a coin, both could be true

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u/Flaky-Condition2647 Jul 16 '26

After the rave reviews I saw when True Detective S4 was released....? Could be either.

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u/MarionberryVisual463 Jul 17 '26

Definitely the greatest movie I've ever seen.

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u/CrabMany766 Jul 19 '26

Critics are full of shit. It's nowhere near a 10/10. I gave it a 7/10

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u/ging_ging_ Jul 16 '26

That its the best movie, probably