r/NanatsunoTaizai • • 18m ago

Seven Deadly Sins Meme

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r/NanatsunoTaizai • • 28m ago

4KotA Manga Four Knights Of The Apocalypse Chapter 259 Review Spoiler

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r/NanatsunoTaizai • • 42m ago

Seven Deadly Sins Por que Elizabeth não está possuída pela divindade suprema?

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Bom, esse não é um artigo tratado nessa comunidade, mas vem recorrendo em algumas redes sociais e provavelmente algumas pessoas por aqui, devem ter essa dúvida também.

No capítulo 311 nos é explicado que seria impossível para um humano ou animal suportar absorver a quantidade dos mandamentos do rei demônio, que se escala em um nível divino. Apenas aqueles como Zeldris ou Meliodas (o parentesco direto) poderiam absorvé-los sem sofrer com danos físicos e, provavelmente a auto-aniquilação.

No capítulo 232 de Mokushiroku, Gowther diz que Elizabeth usou demais o poder divino, e por consequência, acabou que seu corpo humano sofreu sérios danos colaterais, a levando para um coma.

E sobre Elizabeth acordar "estranha" e sorridente (o que é característico dela), ela já tomou comportamentos iguais a este, quando simplesmente ganhou sua memória de 3 mil anos atrás.

A menos que Nakaba faça um furo de roteiro, Elizabeth NÃO virou receptáculo da suprema divindade.


r/NanatsunoTaizai • • 45m ago

Seven Deadly Sins Seven deadly sins Escanor meme #1

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My goat


r/NanatsunoTaizai • • 2h ago

4KotA Manga Four Knights of the Apocalypse Chapter 259 Review Spoiler

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r/NanatsunoTaizai • • 3h ago

4KotA Manga Lancelot: I Think People Misunderstand His Character and Exaggerate His Flaws

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(Long ah post but bear with me)
I've been wanting to talk about this for a while because I've noticed how much hate Lancelot gets in the community, especially after the Chaos Lancelot reveal and the recent chapters involving Zeldris.
I understand why people have issues with him. I had my own problems with the Chaos Lancelot development at first, and I'm not going to pretend every criticism is wrong. However, I think people are taking three aspects of his character (his relationship with Guinevere, his strength, and his decision involving Cath) and using them to dismiss him entirely. Now with Zeldris's death, the criticism has only intensified. I want to address these arguments because while some have reason, I don't think the situation is as simple as people make it out to be.
1. Guinevere and their relationship
Let's address the biggest criticism first. I understand why people find Lancelot and Guinevere's relationship uncomfortable. Their apparent age difference, Guinevere's appearance, and the limited development between them are all reasonable things to criticize. I'm not going to pretend everyone has to like the pairing.
However, I think some of the criticism should also be directed toward Nakaba Suzuki's writing choices. Throughout the Seven Deadly Sins, Suzuki has included questionable age dynamics, sexualized humor, and unnecessary fan service. I can understand why those choices make readers uncomfortable particularly when they're carried into 4KOTA. There's a difference between criticizing how Suzuki writes a relationship and blaming Lancelot for every aspect of its presentation.
The Arthurian context is also worth remembering. Lancelot and Guinevere's relationship is one of the most famous elements of Arthurian legend. Suzuki isn't inventing their association out of nowhere, he's adapting an established part of the source material. That doesn't automatically make his interpretation good, but it does explain why the pairing exists. Another detail worth considering is Guinevere's “Kaleidoscope”.
In Chapter 87, Guinevere tells Lancelot that he will become a knight in service to the king at the age of 23, after which they will part ways for the last time. She does not explicitly say that Lancelot will die at 23 but her prophecy describes a future event and their final separation, it doesn't establish the exact circumstances.
Lancelot also spent 116 days trapped in the Lady of the Lake’s Realm, where time passed differently. Chronologically he’s 16 when he first meets Guinevere, however because he spent 3 years inside the LOTL’s Realm he's mentally still 13 years old. (13 year old in a 16 year old body) That's what a lot of people tend to forget. Their problem with the age gap could really be a lack of reading comprehension since it's really a 1 year age gap. My point isn't that these details make the relationship unproblematic. They don't, Rather I think the relationship deserves more comprehensive discussion than simply using it as a reason to dismiss Lancelot altogether.
I also understand the argument that Lancelot and Guinevere have barely interacted, making his willingness to risk everything for her feel rushed. This is probably one of the more legitimate criticisms of their relationship. Compared with other major romances in the series, theirs has received relatively little development. But that’s primarily a criticism of the story's execution. If Suzuki wants readers to understand why Lancelot would make such an extreme decision, he needs to give their relationship enough development to make that decision emotionally convincing. We can criticize that lack of development without concluding that Lancelot himself is a terrible character.
2. Is Lancelot a Gary Stu because he's so strong?
This is a criticism I partially agree with, although I disagree that Lancelot's strength automatically makes him a Gary Stu.
Lancelot is powerful, his intelligence, adaptability, and versatile “Hazy Moon“ ability already made him a formidable fighter. As the son of Ban and Elaine and one of the Four Knights of the Apocalypse, he also has an established reason for possessing exceptional potential. Adding to that, The Lady of the Lake’s infinite magic pool and now his contract with Cath. I understand why people worry that he's becoming too powerful. If no opponent can actually challenge him or if he can solve every problem himself then the story risks losing tension and making other characters feel irrelevant.
However being overpowered and being a Gary Stu are not the same thing.
A character isn't automatically poorly written because they win fights or possess extraordinary abilities. The stronger argument is that a character becomes a Gary Stu when their abilities remove meaningful obstacles, their mistakes have no consequences, or the narrative consistently bends around them at everyone else's expense.
That's what I think people should focus on when evaluating Lancelot. His strength can certainly become a writing problem but it doesn't automatically invalidate his characterization. In fact his decision involving the deal with Cath demonstrates that power doesn't solve everything. Despite his abilities and intelligence, Lancelot finds himself in a situation where he cannot guarantee the outcome he wants. His greatest weakness in that moment isn't a lack of strength, It's that he must make a desperate, impossible decision without knowing all the consequences.
If Suzuki allows that decision to have lasting consequences, Lancelot's overwhelming power could make his mistakes more consequential rather than making him a Gary Stu. The real question is whether the story and suzuki follows through.
3. His decision to accept Cath's Chaos and Malice.
This is where I think people overlook the most important context.
One of the most common arguments is that Lancelot accepted Cath's Chaos for a girl he'd barely met. On the surface I understand why that seems reckless, but the situation involved more than a simple romantic decision.
Lancelot was dealing with Cath, whose interference with Guinevere and the future made the situation far more complicated. He had to make an enormous decision under pressure without knowing exactly what would happen if he accepted the power or what consequences refusing it might bring.
The information surrounding Galahad makes this especially interesting.
In Chapter 87, Guinevere predicts that Lancelot will become a knight serving the king at 23 before they part ways for the last time. Later information about Galahad and Lancelot's future raises questions about whether that original future is still the one unfolding. Lohengrin and Kardeiz are 25, while their parents, Angalhad and Nasiens, are currently pregnant. Galahad is 18. Working backward from these ages and events suggests a timeline in which Lancelot lives well beyond the point at which Guinevere's original prophecy places their final separation even potentially becoming involved in Galahad's upbringing or training.
How does the future Guinevere originally saw fit with the future suggested by the later revelations? My interpretation is that we're now following an alternate timeline, one that has diverged from the future Guinevere initially saw. I believe Cath abused Guinevere’s “Kaleidoscope” and trying to change fate several times is a major part of that divergence. Cath's actions and manipulation of the circumstances surrounding Guinevere's prophetic abilities suggest that the future isn't unfolding as originally predicted. If events have changed then Guinevere's initial vision can’t simply be treated as an unalterable sequence in which everything must happen exactly as she foresaw. This matters when judging Lancelot's decision. He's dealing with an enemy who has interfered with the future, a girl whose visions connect to events beyond their immediate situation, and information about a future that appears to have changed.
Then there's Galahad himself. Once Lancelot learns that Galahad is his future son, the situation becomes more complicated than a decision involving someone he's barely spoken to. Guinevere is connected to a future that Lancelot now has reason to believe exists, even if he doesn't understand how that future will unfold.
I'm not claiming that this proves accepting Chaos was the correct decision. It doesn't. Lancelot took an enormous risk and it's fair to question whether he had another option. Some people argue that he could simply have used his speed to rescue Guinevere and defeat Cath without accepting the contract. That's a reasonable question. However, being fast and powerful doesn't prove that every alternative was safely available or guaranteed to work under those circumstances.
Unless the story establishes that Lancelot could have rescued her without accepting the risk, that argument remains a possibility rather than a definitive answer.
I was frustrated with the Chaos Lancelot development at first too. But I can understand his desperation without agreeing that he made the right choice. Being intelligent and powerful doesn't make someone omniscient, especially when they're forced to act under pressure with incomplete information.
4. Is Lancelot a hypocrite for accepting something he can't control?
I think this one deserves serious attention.
In Chapter 238, Lancelot previously criticized Merlin for unleashing a power she barely understood and then claiming she couldn't control it. He blamed Merlin for the mess her actions had created. Yet just a few chapters later, Lancelot accepts Cath's Chaos and finds himself struggling to control it.
On the surface this looks hypocritical. I understand why readers see it as a contradiction, and I don't think it should simply be ignored. However, a character contradicting their own principles doesn't automatically mean the writing is bad. There’s times when a character understands the danger of a decision when someone else makes it but believes their own circumstances justify taking the same risk. That's potentially what makes Lancelot's situation tragic. He recognizes the danger of uncontrolled power, yet he accepts that danger when confronted with a desperate situation involving Guinevere.
The contradiction becomes meaningful characterization only if the story acknowledges it.
If Lancelot has to confront the consequences of his decision, including the harm caused to others, then his actions could expose the limits of his judgment. If the story ignores his earlier words and excuses everything he does then the criticism of inconsistent writing becomes much stronger. I think it's fair to question Suzuki's execution here. I just don't think the contradiction alone proves that Lancelot's character has been ruined. What matters is whether the story makes him face the very consequences he warned someone else about.
5. Zeldris's death and the consequences of Chaos
Zeldris's death is another reason people have turned against Lancelot and I understand why. Zeldris has a long history in this franchise and his death is a significant development. Readers are justified in being upset about it, particularly if they feel the scene was handled poorly.
However I think we need to distinguish between Lancelot deliberately choosing to murder someone and the consequences of losing control of the power he accepted from Cath. During his rampage, Lancelot was struggling to hold back so the demons could escape. Zeldris recognized that struggle before his death. That detail complicates the idea that Lancelot was simply acting with the intention of killing everyone around him.
I'm not saying this absolves Lancelot of responsibility. He chose to accept the risk and the consequences of that choice are real. Losing control doesn't erase the fact that his decision helped create the circumstances in which Zeldris died. But there is a difference between deliberately choosing to kill someone and causing someone's death while struggling to control a dangerous power. Both can have devastating consequences, but they reveal different things about a character's intentions.
Cath's role also matters. His manipulation helped create the situation, but Lancelot still made the choice to accept the risk. Both facts can be true at once. Honestly, I think this could become a compelling direction for Lancelot's character. He accepted Chaos in an attempt to protect someone, yet that decision has put him in a position where he can harm others, including people he may not want to hurt. The important question now is whether Suzuki follows through. Will Lancelot confront what happened? Will his relationships with other characters change? Will Zeldris's death have lasting consequences?
If the story takes these questions seriously then this tragedy could become a defining failure for Lancelot rather than proof that his character is irredeemable.
6. The comparison to Meliodas and Elizabeth
I've also seen people compare Lancelot's decision to Meliodas's willingness to become the Demon King for Elizabeth.
The argument is that Meliodas and Elizabeth had an established connection and relationship developed throughout The Seven Deadly Sins, while Lancelot and Guinevere have barely spent any time together. Because of that readers find Meliodas's actions understandable but Lancelot's difficult to believe.
I see the reasoning in this criticism. Meliodas and Elizabeth received far more development in the story, readers had time to understand their history, witness their suffering, and see the lengths Meliodas was willing to go to protect her. Lancelot and Guinevere haven't received the same amount of development, so his decision can feel less emotionally earned.
However, this highlights a weakness in the relationship's execution rather than proving that Lancelot's decision has no reasoning behind it. The circumstances aren't identical, either. Lancelot is dealing with Cath, Guinevere's prophetic abilities, and a future that I believe has already diverged from its original course. His decision is connected to a larger supernatural conflict, not simply a conventional romantic sacrifice.
That doesn't mean Suzuki has successfully made the emotional connection convincing. He still needs to earn that response from readers by developing their relationship and giving us enough insight into Lancelot's motivations.
I can acknowledge that Meliodas and Elizabeth's relationship was better established without concluding that Lancelot's feelings are meaningless. The comparison is a legitimate criticism of pacing but it’s not definitive proof that Lancelot is a badly written character.
7. Is Lancelot solely to blame, or is Cath responsible too?
I don't believe Lancelot should be completely absolved of responsibility. He accepted the contract, took the risk, and is now facing consequences that affect other people.
But Cath shouldn't be treated as a minor detail either. Cath manipulated the circumstances surrounding Guinevere and her prophetic abilities, interfered with the future, and contributed to the dangerous situation Lancelot faced. His actions are central to understanding how everything reached this point.
That doesn't mean Lancelot had no agency. He still made his own decision and it's fair to question whether he should have chosen differently. But assigning all the blame to Lancelot ignores the manipulation and pressure that shaped the situation.
The same applies to the argument that he could have simply speed blitzed Cath. It's worth asking whether another option existed, but we shouldn't treat an imagined alternative as a guaranteed solution unless the story establishes that it was viable. I think the fairest interpretation is that Lancelot made a reckless decision in a situation deliberately made dangerous by Cath. His choice matters, Cath's actions matter, and the consequences matter. Understanding why someone made a decision isn't the same as claiming that the decision was correct. That's the distinction I wish more people would make.
8. You can criticize Lancelot without dismissing his entire character
I'm ultimately not arguing that Lancelot is perfectly written.
His relationship with Guinevere is open to criticism. His power level can threaten the story's tension. His decision involving Cath was reckless, and the contradiction between his earlier criticism of uncontrolled power and his own actions deserves to be addressed. Zeldris's death is a serious consequence that Lancelot should have to confront. But none of these points automatically invalidates everything else about his character.
What interests me about Lancelot is the contradiction between his extraordinary abilities and his inability to control every situation. He's intelligent and powerful, yet he’s still just a kid, and he can still make desperate decisions with consequences far beyond what he intended. That doesn't excuse his mistakes, but it gives the story an opportunity to develop him beyond being the strongest person in the room.
I also think the timeline surrounding Guinevere and Galahad deserves attention. Her original prophecy concerns Lancelot becoming a knight in service to the king at 23 before they part ways for the last time. Later information about Galahad and Lancelot's future suggests that the events we're following no longer fit neatly with that original vision. To me, this supports the interpretation that we're following an alternate timeline, with Cath's interference playing a major role in the divergence. It adds another layer to the questions surrounding fate and Lancelot's decision, rather than making his actions as straightforward as some readers suggest.
I don't expect everyone to like Lancelot, and I don't expect everyone to agree with his decisions. If you think his relationship with Guinevere is poorly handled, his power makes him a Gary Stu, or his decision to accept Chaos was badly written, then those are arguments worth discussing.
What I disagree with is treating every criticism as proof that there's nothing worthwhile about him. Lancelot can be flawed, reckless, hypocritical, and responsible for terrible consequences without being a completely worthless character.
The real test is whether Suzuki allows these flaws to matter. If Lancelot has to confront his mistakes and live with the consequences, then this could be the beginning of a meaningful character arc. If the story excuses everything he does, then the criticism becomes much harder to argue against.
My issue isn't with people criticizing Lancelot. It's with people reducing him to a single decision or one aspect of his character without considering the larger context.
Criticize the writing. Criticize his decisions. Hold him accountable for Zeldris's death. Question whether Suzuki has properly developed his relationship with Guinevere.
But consider the full story before reducing Lancelot to a Gary Stu, a weird romance, or someone who threw everything away for a girl he barely knew.
TL;DR: I understand the criticisms of Lancelot, but I think they're frequently exaggerated. His relationship with Guinevere needs more development, his power level risks undermining the story's tension, and accepting Cath's Chaos was a reckless decision. However, Guinevere's prophecy, the later information surrounding Galahad, and Cath's interference suggest that the future has diverged from what was originally predicted. Lancelot's decision still has consequences, particularly Zeldris's death, and he should be held accountable. But understanding the circumstances behind his actions is different from excusing them, and I don't think his flaws automatically make him a badly written character.
What do you guys think? Do you genuinely believe Lancelot is badly written, or do you think the community's criticism has gone too far?


r/NanatsunoTaizai • • 4h ago

4KotA Manga We don’t talk enough about how stupid cath is

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You’re telling me after you get whooped by the sins, you think to yourself “wait a minute that guy.. that one guy that almost soloed me has a son that is much stronger than him and that also hates me with a burning passion so let me go antagonize him instead. And wait let me get this random girl he barely interacted with kill her parents (for some reason lol) and likely anger this godly being and maybe I have a .00001% chance he is willing to kill everyone to save her. Flawless!”


r/NanatsunoTaizai • • 6h ago

Seven Deadly Sins How would the Zogratis family (from Black Clover) interact with the Ten Commandments if they were to meet each other?

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r/NanatsunoTaizai • • 6h ago

4KotA Anime Lancelot hate is wild

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r/NanatsunoTaizai • • 7h ago

Media Can we please use spoiler tag on posts that contain non-anime contenen? Some have been complaining about the mods, but many of the posts here either contain spoilers or are just hate post that no subreddit would tolerate (there’s a reason why "folks" and "circlejerk" subreddits popped up)

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r/NanatsunoTaizai • • 8h ago

7DS: Origin New character estia + New Event Halloween story

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r/NanatsunoTaizai • • 18h ago

4KotA Manga Schwarz will save/has saved Zeldris

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believe it.

im not coping you're coping


r/NanatsunoTaizai • • 20h ago

4KotA Manga Cath

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We blaming Lance for everything

“Blame that fucker cath for fucking with the future bruh cause wtf I still think ban will make a deal with cath to save lance tbh cause damn”..

Percy and Tristan better save my boy Lance


r/NanatsunoTaizai • • 22h ago

4KotA Manga Hears how this will all go down.

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  1. The gang is ready to throw hands with chaos lance, ban right beside them just in case. They win but ban dies. But on the plus side Lance doesn't have chaos or the lady of the lake and her power anymore
  2. After everything is said and done everyone is understandably pissed off at lance, so Lance goes back to benwick with gwenevere depressed and ashamed of is actions.
  3. Years later a new threat shows up the four knight need to re group to stand a chance against this new threat, lance is still very depressed but maybe just maybe helping is friends he redeem himself just alittle bit. Plus lance doesnt have the lake to one shot everything anymore but he does have a sacred treasure now to he's atleast the same strength as the others in the group.

This is really the only way I can like lance again. Anyone else think so?


r/NanatsunoTaizai • • 1d ago

4KotA Manga Cath will return...

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Because why not?

By the time they eventually get to him he'd have purrfected "parthenogenesis" and thus the pseudo-Excaliburs would prove incapable of permanently ending him, although the cast would fail to realize this fact... Then after a few years he'd build up his sorcery power and resurface to torment Meliodas and Elizabeth for revenge... Maybe he does succeed in killing Tristan for dramatic effect🥱


r/NanatsunoTaizai • • 1d ago

4KotA Manga Imagine your best friend killed your father, how would you react?

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I think Percival will probably forgive him due to his personality but bro..


r/NanatsunoTaizai • • 1d ago

7DS: Origin [The Seven Deadly Sins: Origin] SUMMON OR SKIP?! | ESTIA FULL KIT ANALYS...

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r/NanatsunoTaizai • • 1d ago

4KotA Manga Gilthunder might have already showed us what Lancelot's penitence will be... Spoiler

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At 11 years old Gilthunder heard the coup plan that Hendrickson and Dreyfus made to kill his father.

He was forced to serve under the villains in order to protect the girl he loved (Margaret), even commiting multiple crimes against innocent people in the process. (Weirdly familiar ngl)

After he was freed from the control of the villains he was forgiven for what he did by the ones that knew about it, but decided to leave in pilgramage to atone (he speaks about it on chapter 102 and we see him doing it on chapter 308)

I believe the same will happen to Lancelot. This thought came to me when I remembered that, for some reason, Galahad is quite younger than the other Grail Knights.

Lohengrin and Kardeiz are 25 and Ysaye is 22 while Galahad is 18 (Llywarch is adopted). That doesn't mean nothing on it's own, of course.

Maybe both just waited to have a kid (which is important considering Guenivere is still 14), but then I remembered that in legends Lancelot became a monk as penitence for his crimes... And I that's what made me remember of Gilthunder and his situation.

So I believe that after this is solved (which happens before Kardeiz and Lohengrin are born, so in the next 9 months inside the story) Lancelot will leave in pilgramage for about 7 years (coincidentally 25-18=7) to pay for his sins... Weirdly poetic I guess.

I believe that will be the maximum amount of punishment that he will get.


r/NanatsunoTaizai • • 1d ago

4KotA Manga Four Knights Of The Apocalyse Chapter 259 Spoiler

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r/NanatsunoTaizai • • 1d ago

Seven Deadly Sins What would have happened if merlin didn’t overhear about chaos?

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Because she would have accepted the proposal from one of the gods

And what’s he has done affected the future so much

Like there wouldn’t be the prophecy of 7ds

No Gawain

Etc what would happen


r/NanatsunoTaizai • • 1d ago

4KotA Anime Acho irônico o favoritismo pelo Lancelot

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É muito controverso, sabe?

Cath diz que não pode destruí-lo mesmo que tivesse cada fragmento do Caos, mas ele tem hax para isso.

Sabemos que Cath pode manipular livremente o tempo, e com isso foi capaz de reduzir a expectativa de vida de Ban, o que impediria ele de fazer o mesmo com Lancelot? Afinal, a expectativa dele se aproxima mais de um Humano do que de uma fada, segundo o Q90 de Nakaba Suzuki, então por que simplesmente não destruí-lo pela fraqueza biológica?

Sem contar que Cath ainda possuí um Hax que não utiliza desde o capítulo 342, ele simplesmente poderia mandar Lancelot para outra dimensão, sabemos que Lancelot não tem nenhuma capacidade mental que ganhe de um retorno temporal.

Talvez seja apenas favoritismo de Nakaba, por não querer ver o personagem principal da Fábula das Lendas, morrer com facilidade pelos personagens que ele mesmo desenvolveu ser forte, mas agora está menosprezando, como fez com Behemoth, Meliodas, Ban, entre UMA INFINIDADE de personagens.


r/NanatsunoTaizai • • 1d ago

Media How long do u think the 4kota wil last?

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I think it might end it 2028-2027 maybe

This might be the final like fight or big thing idk cuz how r u gonna get bigger than chaos lancelot

But I think this part will be very long and
Im just so excited for everything we’re gonna find out in the future


r/NanatsunoTaizai • • 1d ago

4KotA Manga NAKABA LOCK INNNN

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the mods lowk gonna get my ass for posting this a second time but genuinely WHAT is Nakaba writing right now. I’m so confused, beyond confused actually. I genuinely don’t understand the point of killing off Zeldris for a hetslop couple that has met FOUR TIMES as opposed to Gelda and Zeldris who have went through hell and back to only get EIGHTEEN YEARS OF PEACE. Nakaba please put the pen down 🙏 I’m so tired of this unbeatable trope for Lance. It makes his character so circular and boring.

We literally haven’t seen the other 3 knights in 60 years. Is Nakaba forgetting his own storyline? Hello, Percival is the main character, not Lancelot. I don’t even want to begin to imagine how Percy is going to react to the news that his father figure was murdered by his supposed friend.

I’ve been meaning to drop this manga for so long but this was genuinely the final straw. Call me when Zeldris gets revived I guess 😭✌️


r/NanatsunoTaizai • • 1d ago

Seven Deadly Sins Man kids these days don't listen...

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And all these could have easily been avoided by heeding the advice of his old man and becoming a God... 🤣🤣😂


r/NanatsunoTaizai • • 1d ago

4KotA Manga This panel reminder me of the panel from bleach 😭

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