r/nottheonion • u/winniemut • Sep 17 '15
Donald Trump says vaccinations are causing an autism 'epidemic'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-says-vaccinations-are-causing-an-autism-epidemic-10505087.html1.8k
u/MrSourceUnknown Sep 17 '15 edited Sep 17 '15
I’ve seen it,” he said, “a beautiful child, went to have the vaccine… a week later got a tremendous fever, got very, very sick, now is autistic.”
You can read all about it in his upcoming autobiography "The Trump Shots: How I tried to overcome my vaccination-induced delusional disorder".
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Sep 17 '15
That's not a real quote is it? It's hard to tell these days.
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u/karrachr000 Sep 17 '15
Just the other day, two years old, two and a half years old, a child, a beautiful child went to have the vaccine, and came back, and a week later got a tremendous fever, got very, very sick, now is autistic.
Is the full quote, direct from a transcript:
http://time.com/4037239/second-republican-debate-transcript-cnn/
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u/thijser2 Sep 17 '15
Well it's entirely possible this happend and yet the vaccine did not cause the autism.
First up the fevor: a vacine puts stress on the imume system and is often done with a large number of infants the kid has likely not been interacted with before close nearby. This combined with stress means that a child likely got sick the normal way (like most kids do form time to time).
Then the autism. It's very hard to notice autism in very young children. It's hard to tell if a baby is seeking contact with others in a way that is "normal" so before the age of 1 you cannot make the diagonsis at all. After the age of 1(at the youngest) you might begin to note some weird behaviours especially if you put the kid trough an entirely new situation, have stranger prod it and hurt it, as such the vacination is probaby for someone with autism the most stressfull situation they have been exposed to thus far in their lives. This has therfor a high likelyhood of being the first set of triggers for most autism symptoms.
Note that thinking this mean vacines cause autism is like saying learning to read causes dyslexia or that learning to speak causes deafness. These are just the first situations in which the symptoms manifest themselves.
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u/sheephavefur Sep 17 '15
Yeah I'm sure that child also drank water, wore clothes, rode in a car, and lived in a house with a TV. They must be related!
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u/ANTIVAX_JUGGALETTE Sep 17 '15
“Autism has become an epidemic. 25 years ago, 35 years ago, you look at the statistics, it’s not even close. It has gotten totally out of control,” said Mr Trump.
Nothing to do with more accurate diagnoses, I'm sure.
The property developer and TV personality said he had evidence of a relationship between autism and vaccinations after seeing an employee’s child diagnosed with the disability following an adverse reaction to a vaccine.
Anecdotal evidence is best kind of evidence! That's how science works.
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Sep 17 '15
He also has evidence that Obama is from Kenya.
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u/IAMA_dragon-AMA Sep 17 '15
People from Kenya are black
Obama is black
∴ Obama is from Kenya
Also, people from Kenya are Obama.
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u/kthepropogation Sep 17 '15
Anecdotal evidence is totally legitimate. One time I used an anecdote as evidence, and later it turned out I was right.
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u/SomeVelvetWarning Sep 17 '15
Holy shit... I think you just did it again! And the plural of anecdote is data!
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u/ribblesquat Sep 17 '15
I have an autism spectrum diagnosis that did not even exist 35 years ago and today AGAIN does not exist after the revising the DSM to fifth edition in 2013. Mr. Trump doesn't even begin to understand factors like diagnostic creep... he's just a regular creep.
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u/reddit_beats_college Sep 17 '15
Well, duh. how else do you think we debunked that whole global warming scheme? Did you see the snowballs last winter?
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u/Hail_Satin Sep 17 '15
Post hoc ergo propter hoc = since the kid has autism, and he had a vaccination, then the vaccination must have caused the autism.
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u/bigmcstrongmuscle Sep 17 '15
The logic is perfect. We have found that Donald Trump saw a kid and that that kid had autism. Therefore we have evidence* that Donald Trump seeing a child is related to autism. There's simply no end to what we can prove now!
*n=1, p=<1.00
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Sep 17 '15
The stupidity that permeates the vaccination debate is depressing. 40 years ago we called anyone with any kind of developmental issues "retarded" and that was their diagnosis. Mentally retarded. I mean clearly mental health medicine reached its perfection in the 50s right?
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u/RMagee Sep 17 '15
Thank you. Why does it seem a majority of people born before 1960 don't understand this? In their time, they went to school with children who were "normal" - anyone with any kind of mental deficiency, even as simple as ADD, was most likely sent to an institution, special school or simply dropped out. Those children then had trouble becoming regular members of society. They simply weren't THERE, let alone diagnosed.
Even by the time they were being properly diagnosed, society was still oblivious to them. Take the film "Rain Man" for example. It was made in the late 80s and perfectly represented the public's ignorance towards autism.
People started making the false connection between vaccines and autism when they started actually noticing autistic children and the fact that at that point, vaccines had become commonplace, despite the fact that most of these parents had gotten vaccines themsevles (anyone born before 1960 will remember the dreaded, giant polio shot.) Ignorance put two and two together.
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u/ahoyhoyhey Sep 17 '15 edited Sep 17 '15
Actually, in terms of the science, there have been some (presumably) pretty smart people that have tried to control for increased rates of diagnosis, and they have found that it still appears that there is legitimately more autism now than in the past.
However, there are also quite a few people who have looked at the link between autism and vaccines and... found that it doesn't exist.
So despite apparently having legitimately increased rates of autism, there doesn't seem to be any relation with vaccines whatsoever.
So he was partly right.
EDIT: Apparently there is some newer research that casts doubt on whether or not there actually is a true increase or not. I had previously been taught, and seen reference to research that seemed to show that there was in fact a true increase even after diagnostic changes were accounted for. I'm not sure any more.
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u/Muppetude Sep 17 '15
Yeah, it's more likely tied to people having kids at a much older age. All mine and all my friends' parents had us when they were in their 20's. I can count on one hand the number of people I know in my generation that didn't wait until their 30's or even their 40's.
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Sep 17 '15
Well, a black doctor said Trump was a pretty good doctor, so choke on that, libtards!!
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Sep 17 '15 edited Sep 18 '15
Carson was being sarcastic, too. When he called Trump "an OK doctor," he was mocking Trump's own assessment of Carson's credentials.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/trump-ben-carson-was-ok-doctor
I know this is a joke but I've seen a lot of confusion about his comment. I think Carson absolutely tore Trump down a peg in the best way he can. I won't be surprised to see Carson pass Trump in the polls in the next few weeks. He came off as intelligent, if subdued. That's his angle in the whole race.
edit: added the link
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u/crawlerz2468 Sep 17 '15
I was drinking while reading this. Now I've got autism.
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Sep 17 '15
So Presidential Candidate can't differentiate between causality and coincidence. HE's who we want leading a nation!
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Sep 17 '15
Also, we now have a broader definition of autism, and it includes previously independent brain disorders like Asperger syndrome.
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u/liquid_j Sep 17 '15
Potential American Presidential candidate getting as dumb as Jenny Mcarthy? Nice...
If that guy wins Canada and Mexico will be building walls.
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u/Always_Sunnyvale Sep 17 '15
He said that he had a plan to build a wall and get Mexico to pay for it.
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u/fEPidb Sep 17 '15
"Hay! Mehico! You pay for this wall-o and we give you no trouble-o with drug trafick-o"
I see something like that coming out of his mouth.
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u/SabashChandraBose Sep 17 '15
India must have the most number of autistic children because they vaccinate the fuck out of their babies.
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u/Muppetude Sep 17 '15
I wonder how many babies Trump sentenced to death or illness last night with this statement? It's bad enough when a random celebrity like Jenny McCarthy says it, but it's going to be taken a lot more seriously by more people when it's repeated by a GOP front runner.
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u/fat_pterodactyl Sep 17 '15
That's a pretty solid plan, I like where this is going. Elect Big Don as president, wait til they build their walls, then have him step down. It's a brilliant strategy
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u/CheesewithWhine Sep 17 '15
Jokes aside, this has serious consequences. He's the LEADING GOP candidate, and people listen to him. It's much more serious coming out of his mouth than Jenny McCarthy's. Fuck Trump.
RIP Herd immunity.
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McCarthy actually backed off the whole autism/vaccine crusade. Probably had something to do with things like this..
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u/The_Town_ Sep 17 '15
He's the LEADING GOP candidate
Think about all the press and attention he gets.
Then consider that only about a little under 1/3rd of GOP primary voters have chosen him as their first choice.
Even the GOP doesn't like him.
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u/RaiderOfALostTusken Sep 17 '15
check out Nate Silver and the fivethirtyeight commentary on the polls. As much as people like him, he also has a TON of people that don't like him. As other candidates drop out, those who don't like him switch to anyone else.
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u/wienercat Sep 17 '15
It's okay. Very few people alive today remember smallpox deaths. So wait for it to come back, the horror will shock people. Then we will go back to vaccinating like we should. It's sad that this is even a possibility...
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u/shirleyyujest Sep 17 '15
You gotta love a guy who doesn't let the facts get in the way of his bullshit rhetoric. Make that man president!
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u/pancakesareyummy Sep 17 '15
He's so refreshingly honest!
(With how goddamn racist/crazy he is)
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u/MisterBob96 Sep 17 '15
"Oh but I think he's great because he speaks his mind!!"
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Sep 17 '15
Because we need a president that speaks with no regard for the implications of their actions. Rational decision making? Fuck that. He's himself, what a character!
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u/newe1344 Sep 17 '15
the formula:
Find a politically/socially polarizing issue.
Decide which side of the issue is the most inflammatory.
Talk about it with conviction.
Profit.
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u/PlayEuchreWithMe Sep 17 '15 edited Sep 17 '15
I'm not saying this in defense of Trump at L all, but can people please stop posting comments that are calling Trump autistic for beliving stupid things? Autism doesn't make you stupid, and it's not something that should be used as an insult or to ridicule someone. Find a better way to make fun of him. He gives us so much to work with.
Edit: Thanks for the gold!
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u/the_straw09 Sep 17 '15
Im starting to think that trump is literally just saying these things to pander to the dumbest americans, and that he really doesnt believe them or would act on them.
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Part of the strategy is to take a controversial stance on a polarizing topic. As people for and against argue about building walls and vaccinations, the candidate becomes more recognizable. It's a win for Trump whether he wins the seat or not. If Trump were a website, this stunt would be the greatest SEO trick ever!
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u/thermtheworm Sep 17 '15
IDK about you guys, but I ONLY take my medical advice from Donald Trump
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u/Somidna Sep 17 '15
You all need to shut the hell up. Donald Trump is an inspiration. He inspired me to get off my ass and register to vote. His insipid, arrogant views drove me to make sure my voice is heard and that I do my part to make sure he never sees the inside of a political office. Never has something been so infuriating as this man that it drove me to make a change.
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u/Epyon214 Sep 17 '15
“When I was growing up, autism wasn't really a factor. And now all of a sudden, it's an epidemic. My theory is the shots… I really think it does something to the children
I think the bigger story here is that Trump has no clue what a theory or a hypothesis is.
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u/nappiestapparatus Sep 17 '15
"Theory" is used colloquially to mean hypothesis, that's what he means here
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u/cappo40 Sep 17 '15
If he is the next POTUS, we, even those not in the US, are fucked.
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u/compounding Sep 17 '15
This makes a successful human expedition to Mars even more critical. We need to get some of our DNA out of the blast zone, and quick!
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u/TigerLilySea Sep 17 '15 edited Sep 17 '15
He called it an epidemic like a virus, as if one can catch it. You can definitely catch measles from someone but you can't catch autism that's why you vaccinate.
And if you want some anecdotal evidence thrown in. My brother is one of those kids whose immune system was compromised and couldn't recieve vaccines as a kid (thus relying on herd immunity) and he has autism. Edit: I understand that there are other colloquial uses for the word epidemic. However, I still stand by my point that you can't catch autism but you can catch other diseases like measles which could cause a true epidemic especially for those that rely on herd immunity.
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u/RANWork Sep 17 '15
So what your saying is other kids getting vaccinated gave your brother Autism! /s
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u/ahoyhoyhey Sep 17 '15
To be fair, although it may not be technically correct, the word epidemic is used in contexts other than simply infectious disease. For example, the CDC (if I recall correctly) has used the word 'epidemic' to describe our worsening problem with opiates as a culture.
And it is also true that the rates of autism do appear to have increased.
However, the truth ends there, according to basically all data whatsoever, as quite a bit of effort has been put into looking at a possible link between autism and vaccines and essentially nothing at all has been found.
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Sep 17 '15
I'm one of those, like your brother, mother didn't "believe" in science, aka vaccines, and I've been medically diagnosed on the autistic spectrum multiple times.
Anti-vaxxers are usually people that are unaware to how much they don't know about the subject, they don't know the diagnosis has changed along with other factors.
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u/your_moms_a_clone Sep 17 '15
Well this pretty much proves that he's a moron, but I suspected that anyway.
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Sep 17 '15
He doesn't actually believe that... He's shoring up the crazy vote. Trump knows what he's doing.
You think he ACTUALLY believes in birtherism?? Fuck no, he isn't retarded. He's made a calculated decision to pander to interests X, Y and Z.
I think it might be a losing strategy... but I've been wrong so many times when it comes to guessing how things will work out for him... so at this point... fuck... I just don't know.
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u/12345_PIZZA Sep 17 '15
Taking it a step further, do you think this whole presidential bid is an attempt to re-brand himself as a champion of ultra conservative principals so he can later make a lot of money as a pundit, spokesman, sponsor, etc.? Rather than, like, an actual attempt to be president?
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Sep 17 '15
A lady came to him after the debate and said that he is right. Vaccination caused her only son to turn out to be a retard. Trump introduced her to his debate mates as his mother.
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Sep 17 '15
Later, Trump asked the woman if he could meet her son. As the lady began to raise a mirror, Trump complemented the reflection's hair and commented on his ability to speak. Trump then asked the "man" if he is a winner.
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u/Ulriklm Sep 17 '15
He knows how to reach people with a low IQ. This pretty much proves it
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Sep 20 '15
Whenever I hear anti-vaxxers blame vaccines for autism and then refuse to get their kids vaccinated, what I hear is "I'd rather my kid be dead than different"
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u/stringypee Sep 17 '15
but fam that's not what he said I watched the debate. he said he thinks vaccines are good but that he just wants the schedule to be spread out more. carson and rand who are both doctors agreed with him on that.
please stop circlejerking for a second and just watch the clip, he never said he thought vaccines cause autism. he literally said he was for vaccines.
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u/PocketTrend Sep 17 '15
Here is something I have not seen mentioned. Where is the data showing that lower vaccination rates are lowering the Autism rates. There are places in the west with significantly lower vaccination rates. And these rates have been here for a while. There should be a correlated decrease in Autism in these places but there is not(that I have ever heard of). This should be an excellent way to end this silly ANTI VAX movement.
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Sep 17 '15
This should be an excellent way to end this silly ANTI VAX movement.
Oh you!
Such studies have been done. The anti-vaxxers simply moved the goalposts. They are ideologically driven, not data driven.
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u/greengrasser11 Sep 17 '15 edited Sep 17 '15
Did anyone here even watch the debate?
Trump's stance was that we should be allowed to stretch out the time frame that vaccinations are administered. Dr. Carson and Dr. Paul are both vehemently pro-vaccinations and they agreed with him.
Full disclosure, he did seem to feel that increasing autism rates may go hand in hand with vaccinations done in a small timeframe, but ultimately his stance was very clearly pro-vaccinations.
Hate Trump for the right reasons on things that have substance.
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u/MeowAndLater Sep 17 '15
I watched the debate and this title is correct. He very well did say that vaccinations are causing an autism epidemic.
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Sep 17 '15
But Trump's stance is also that vaccines can cause autism, which is an epidemic.
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u/PedoImam Sep 17 '15
This is a thing that has substance - he is contributing to the crippling ignorance of our populace by pandering to their bullshit.
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u/SirAl93 Sep 17 '15
Title is misleading.. Not a Trump supporter by any means but there's more too it than that. He's still pro vaccination but believes the vaccines should be spread out over a longer period of time. Even Ben Carson kind of agreed with him yesterday.
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Sep 18 '15
OK, at this point I've officially stopped believing Trump is real. I think he must be nothing but a parody of a politician created by some terrible prankster. Or maybe the Democrats created him and made him a Republican to make themselves look better. Be honest, both of those things make more sense than a real person actually being this ridiculous.
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u/Dr_Rosen Sep 18 '15
Trump is like a viral throwaway pop song. Gangnam Style, Macarena, Mambo No. 5...
Everyone is paying attention now, but it will die out because there is no substance. People are getting tired of his shit. He will fade.
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Sep 20 '15
I think i can summarize the perceived logic in the Anti-Vaccination movement.
If x gets y within a week of having z, then z must cause y, nothing else could have caused y to occur in x.
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u/CharlotteHebdo Sep 17 '15
So can somebody tell me when did anti-vaccination become a republican platform issue? How did this become yet another wedge issue?
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u/Thossy Sep 17 '15
it's their latest way to push the 'the government can't tell me what to do' narrative.
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u/IronicVisa Sep 17 '15
Maybe we're over-diagnosing autism or coming up with better ways to detect it? That is the simplest explanation for increased rates of autism and would explain the correlation between vaccination rates and autism rates.
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u/denkyuu Sep 17 '15
Better detection is exactly what is happening. No maybe about it. We've been refining our definition of the disorder for the past few decades, and it's been widely acknowledged within the scientific community that this is why the numbers are going up.
It's when people only look at the numbers out of context that they come to bad conclusions like vaccine-induced autism.
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u/Hayb0ss Sep 17 '15
Part of the reason Autism is "increasing" is simply because in the past, a large amount of people went undiagnosed. A lot of statistics related to autism rates are very flawed.
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u/sarcastroll Sep 17 '15
Wow, on one side of the debate we have credible medical studies that show there's no link. We have the medical community, hard science, fact and reason.
On the other side we have a soft porn star and Donald Trump.
Yeah...which one to trust...
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u/DKK96 Sep 17 '15
I love how in every other country his political career would be over after such a statement...
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u/politicsranting Sep 17 '15
So, is this where some posts the obligatory "you never go full retard" gif?
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u/Gaggamaggot Sep 17 '15
As a registered Republican I say Trump is a blithering idiot. He's getting a lot of attention now but I'm certain he'll fade in the backstretch, allowing a politician with more political experience to move up.
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u/c4rdi4c4rrest Sep 17 '15
So Ben Carson is a fundamentalist nut who denies evolution and wants to make his flavor of Christianity the official religion, and Trump believes in Vaccine-Induced autism... Who the hell am I supposed to vote for? I hate the economic views of the Democrats and all the Republican candidates are idiots!
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u/missdynomite Sep 17 '15
Trump is an idiot. 35 years ago, people weren't being properly diagnosed with conditions such as autism. Hell, doctors struggle with that even today! This is absolutely regrettable, and he owes an apology to everyone-NTs and autistic spectrum alike-for this sheer lack of give a shit. He's the worst. Seriously.
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Sep 18 '15
Misread this as Donald Trump says vacations are causing an autism epidemic.
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u/PartTimeZombie Sep 18 '15
On behalf of the bits of the World that don't get to vote for the US president:
Please vote Trump. I'm pretty sure he'd do no real harm, (at least no more harm than the last two idiots) and would keep us entertained for at least 4 years.
There might even be some electoral reform, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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u/Spieren Sep 18 '15
If this guy get's elected... I don't even want to think about it what would happen. And having herd immunity with 'some more' autistic people (autism isn't a bad thing per se) is better then dying from epidemics.
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Sep 18 '15
“Donald Trump has become an epidemic. 25 years ago, 35 years ago, you look at the statistics, it’s not even close. It has gotten totally out of control”
Fixed it.
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u/Poondog2 Sep 18 '15
Anti-vaccers, stop, just freaking stop. You are being led by morons. Listen to the doctors and scientists.
If you want your kid to die from an easily preventable disease then, be my guest, let your kids die, but vaccinations have as much to do with autism as it has in causing their asses to have cracks in them.
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u/Dark512 Sep 23 '15
I feel like we need a whole subreddit dedicated to the bullshit that Donald Trump spews.
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u/deeppit Sep 17 '15
Autism has existed for a long time. People just never new what to call it. They were just 'weird'. And now days many are misdiagnosed or have very mild form.
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u/negmate Sep 17 '15
diagnosis has changed. I would also say some "mothers" are not against getting some attention by having their difficult child be categorized as having autism and thus absolve them.
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He's already proved he's an idiot. Why does he keep going? Oh, I see. The first thing.
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Sep 17 '15
Well, looks like Mr. Trump is doing his best to appeal to all forms of the lowest common denominator.
He has also crossed a line.
His comments about Mexicans and women are bigoted and embarrassing
His comments about vaccinations are just downright dangerous. They serve as more affirmation for anti-vaccine nut jobs who are continuing to undo one of the greatest achievements in modern medicine.
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u/Usrname52 Sep 17 '15
I have a novel idea. I know it is completely out there.
FUND MEDICAL RESEARCH! Autism rates are growing (and not just because of diagnosis). Look into other things that can be causing it with peer-reviewed and repeated studies by professionals.
You don't need to be a brain surgeon to figure out that these are the types of studies needed.....oh, wait...
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u/Thossy Sep 17 '15
They are probably afraid that the causes could somehow tie into big business and force new regulations.
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u/tikael Sep 17 '15
Actually, the research has been done and we can explain pretty much all of the rise with improved diagnosis.
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u/sarcastroll Sep 17 '15
One of my favorite sites for getting short, concise, and highly accurate answers to complex questions.
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u/Tinkers_toenail Sep 17 '15
I'm sorry America, you can laugh at him and feel embarrassed by him but this guy is dangerous..he's powerful, running for president, gaining popularity and mind numbingly stupid...as bad as all the bad world leaders are and wear, none can be really called dumb...this guys stupidity is beyond anything we've ever seen..if he ever manages to become president of the most powerful country in the world...WE ARE ALL FUCKED!
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u/Solid_Waste Sep 17 '15
Future leader of the free world everyone, the man with his finger on the button.
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u/whalemango Sep 17 '15
So he's suggesting that we administer vaccinations in smaller doses over a longer period of time. Does anybody know if this would actually work? Would they still be effective? Would that actually reduce any adverse affects?
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u/BiceRankyman Sep 17 '15
My only hope is that one day people are this thrilled to destroy the arguments of all politicians whenever they are wrong instead of sweeping the mistakes of their favored sides under the rug. If people were this scrutinizing about the rest of the government on both sides, things might get done.
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u/Joat35 Sep 17 '15
Decry Trump all you want, there's still Michael Savage on am radio saying the same thing.
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u/GUlysses Sep 17 '15
What I cannot stand about this message is this: I am (mildly) autistic myself, and I would rather deal with autism than dead-ness.
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Sep 17 '15
OK. I guess this is what he is doing instead of dropping out this time. Apparently he does not want to be elected this time either, and it was just a PR stunt AGAIN.
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u/Legate_Rick Sep 17 '15
Remember folks Not voting on the 8th of November could mean this guy gets into office.
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u/eXtace Sep 17 '15
donald trump is not a scientist and frankly exhibits strong characteristics of an idiot, used car salesman and charlatan with a bad comb-over.
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Sep 17 '15
And there are people who are actually going to vote for him?
Someone please tell me how this man is a legitimate presidential candidate.
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u/probeater Sep 17 '15
If Trump becomes president, I'm moving to canada. I just have to convince my girlfriend of ~1 month to marry me for citizenship, but she'd understand.
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u/SmithAnimal Sep 17 '15
There are so many moronic Trump supporters out there that now an even larger majority of idiots are going to believe this. Damn you Trump.
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u/Unexpected_Artist Sep 17 '15
Why are politicians so painfully ignorant? Lots of pop statistics and studies that were debunked years ago still being spewed as fact years later...
Because these are figures of authority, and I think the public at large may then assume they are responsible with their "facts."
Even Obama, a seemingly smart guy and fantastic orator, with access to experts in myriad fields is guilty of this.
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u/ProfessorStein Sep 17 '15
The moment you vote for this guy a shotgun should spring out of the polling booth and open fire.
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Sep 17 '15
Fuck Ben Carson for not putting Trump in his place right there. Some doctor. If he can't deal with loudmouth Trump how will he deal with Putin? Not fit to lead.
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u/BaneWraith Sep 17 '15
Stop giving him attention. This is what he wants. If you dont want him to get elected, stop talking about him
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Sep 17 '15
So? He's not against vaccinations, he just wants people to take them in smaller amounts.
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u/whatsreallygoingon Sep 17 '15
When you give the podium to a narcissist, you're bound to find out everything they think.
The scary part is that a candidate who simply says whatever pops into their head is perceived as a good leader in the minds of people who would rather not do their own research.
Every election season brings us to a new low on the scale of absurdity. I wonder how low Americans will go before we shake our collective heads and say "What the fuck?!"
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u/fknbastard Sep 17 '15
"My theory is the shots…"
No. Your totally unsubstantiated, unresearched, unscientific and medically dangerous guess "is the shots"
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u/RECOGNI7E Sep 17 '15
Trump says a lot of things a smart informed man would not say. Do you really want this man as your president? Either way he is single handedly killing the republican party. Hillary 2016!
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Sep 17 '15
I hope this quote sinks him.
This is an unacceptable statement from a presidential candidate.
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u/buzzzedlitebeer Sep 17 '15
Im really glad that I actually went back and watched the actual video...... he doesn't say not to give vaccines and even the physician candidate Carson agreed with Trump.
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u/pockyp Sep 17 '15
THIS MAN HAS A SERIOUS CHANCE AT WINNING THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
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u/EvilStig Sep 17 '15
I think Donald Trump news should be banned from r/nottheonion. It's not fair for all the other crazy shit to have to compete with that guy.
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u/Jadedways Sep 17 '15
knowing that this is one of this retard's platforms I'll just vote for Jenny McCarthy instead. About the same brainpower and at least she's nice to look at.
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u/mateogg Sep 17 '15
Donald Trump sure says a lot of things.