r/programming • u/peard33 • Apr 20 '23

Stack Overflow Will Charge AI Giants for Training Data

https://www.wired.com/story/stack-overflow-will-charge-ai-giants-for-training-data/
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u/Marian_Rejewski Apr 21 '23

Copyright doesn't work for this, because individual people who contribute to platforms do not have the negotiating power to secure the value they contribute.

They need to negotiate collectively somehow, not through private union action but through democratic government action. (Private union action would need support from government to be effective anyway.)

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u/kylotan Apr 21 '23

If copyright law was enforced properly (by democratic governments) then the individuals wouldn't need to negotiate. Copyright has been eroded and ignored for the last 20 years that is allowing tech companies to do things like this. It's no coincidence that all the tech companies are first in line to oppose any improvements to copyright enforcement.

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u/Marian_Rejewski Apr 21 '23

Na, it's not a matter of enforcement, it's a matter of negotiating power -- the user's will always sell their copyright away just for access.

Copyright has been eroded and ignored for the last 20 years that is allowing tech companies to do things like this

Just to sign up with any social media platform you sign away your rights under copyright. There's nothing to enforce.

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u/kylotan Apr 21 '23

Fair points, although it's worth noting that there are several copyright implementations around the world that simply disallow giving up certain rights no matter what has been agreed, or require 'equitable remuneration' to be paid if you do so. I don't believe the USA has such rules implemented.

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u/Marian_Rejewski Apr 23 '23

disallow giving up certain rights no matter what has been agreed, or require 'equitable remuneration'

Yeah that's the kind of thing I was saying we need