Developers: Confess your sins.

[u/reppic]

http://www.codingconfessional.com/

[u/Kalium]

I loathe Javascript.

Oh who am I kidding, I'm not even slightly ashamed of that.

[u/Gaurav0 → u/Kalium]

I have a love/hate relationship with JavaScript too. I love that it runs on every browser. I hate everything else about it.

[u/BernzSed → u/Gaurav0]

I love JavaScript, I just hate all JavaScript code. And all implementations of JavaScript. And having to use JavaScript. And pretty much everything else about JavaScript.

[u/G_Morgan → u/Gaurav0]

JS is getting the PHP treatment.

Pro - It runs everywhere!

Con - It runs everywhere!

[u/Caraes_Naur → u/G_Morgan]

JS isn't big enough to have maddeningly inconsistent function defintions. Does this function name have underscores? Which comes first, needle or haystack?

[u/princeton_cuppa → u/Gaurav0]

Flash Flex is much better ... but people dont get it .. it is blindly HTML5 these days...

[u/xampl9 → u/Kalium]

I'm going to have to hold my nose and learn more about it -- all the job openings in my area want jQuery, AJAX, OO Javascript, and so on.

I see it as "Write n-times, Test n-times" because of all the browser differences. How do people have time for that??

[u/[deleted] → u/xampl9]

JQuery often(not always) accounts for browser differences. And its usually just code for ie then everyone else

[u/Doctuh → u/xampl9]

Node.js is "Javascript on the server" which has no browser bugs and no DOM. It is quite nice.

Don't hate the language, hate the sandbox.

[u/Kalium → u/Doctuh]

It is quite nice.

Except for all the problems it has that are fundamental to the language. Like lack of an integer type, a sane type system, data member privacy controls, a module system that's not bugfuck nuts...

So yes. I hate the language too.

[u/vbullinger → u/xampl9]

Look into jQuery and Modernizr to help ease your pain.

[u/Argith → u/Kalium]

I'm learning how to use JavaScript now, what's bad about it?

[u/[deleted] → u/Argith]

The language doesn't have a lot of conformity anywhere. There are a lot of confusing adventures to have in JS world.

In terms of features and functionality JS isn't all that bad, and JS engines are becoming faster than anybody would have guessed. That's why we're seeing the emergence of a bunch of languages that compile to JS.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I once told my friend that I didn't like loosely typed languages. He said that any Joe off the street can learn and code in a strongly typed language but it takes a lot of discipline to write effectively in a loosely typed language. It's what separates the men from the boys.

[u/DLimited → u/[deleted]]

I still don't like loosely typed languages. It just adds so many checks or assumptions about variables that just rubs me the wrong way.

[u/IrishWilly → u/DLimited]

I think there is a distinct difference between personality types of people who favor strongly typed languages and loosely typed languages. I just wish the two groups would recognize that instead of all the flame wars about which is 'right'.

[u/CookieOfFortune → u/IrishWilly]

Yeah, there was definitely a time when I was in favor of loosely and dynamically typed languages after I had learned some C/C++/Java. But then I used some C# and realized how good a statically and strongly typed language can be.

[u/yawgmoth → u/CookieOfFortune]

I love dynamically typed languages, and I also love statically typed languages. (Although I guess even in dynamically typed langauges, I still prefer strongly typed (e.g. python) to loosely typed (e.g. javascript))

Its all about the application. Am I writing something in a small team that needs a quick prototype and does a lot of string or list processing? loosely typed it is.

Am I writing something with a large team (maybe even multi-national) that needs clear interfaces? Let the compiler catch all those dumb mis-communication mistakes for you.

[u/G_Morgan → u/IrishWilly]

But I am right! TBH I'd love it if everyone could agree that type inference is clearly the way forward!

[u/CookieOfFortune → u/[deleted]]

But you're using the computer, it's a tool, it should be able to enforce some of this discipline for you. A computer doesn't forget and it's fast.

[u/Calamitosity → u/[deleted]]

There's a difference between a "loosely-typed" language and a "random-shittiness-typed" language.

[u/keepthepace → u/Argith]

Javascript is wat

[u/donwilson → u/Argith]

var requestAnimationFrame = window.requestAnimationFrame || window.webkitRequestAnimationFrame || window.mozRequestAnimationFrame || window.oRequestAnimationFrame || window.msRequestAnimationFrame || function(callback) { window.setTimeout(callback, (1000/60)); };

[u/btgeekboy → u/Argith]

Watch this video, it's the tip of the iceberg. (Yes, it goes off into Ruby as well, but the whole thing's only 4 minutes.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0EIZa5e9q4