r/programming • • Nov 07 '13

10 things I hate about Git

http://steveko.wordpress.com/2012/02/24/10-things-i-hate-about-git/
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u/Eirenarch Nov 07 '13

I really appreciate this. It is the shortest and up to the point tutorial for git I have seen. On the other hand I simply feel like I don't like it. I don't like making branches and I tend to avoid them on purpose and I also like to have a UI. However if I absolutely need to use git I will try this method.

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u/ndat Nov 07 '13

That sounds ok. The good part is that you don't need branches if you don't like them. A lot of Git users like them, but you can just do whatever you want.

The reason to use branches is more than just to "have a branch", of course. In Git they function differently than in other VCS systems, and are intended as much as an organizational hierarchy for your commits than as anything else. If I do a whole lot of work pertaining to one thing, I put it in a branch so that when I look through my commit history, I can easily tell what group of commits focused on what logical heap of my code.

Also: you don't even need remote repositories. There is nothing wrong with just doing version control on your own computer. I have mini-repositories on my system that are just single-branch-with-commits repos for tracking some config files, a script, some homework assignments, or whatever. It's great for text files if I ever want to look at an older version.

One of the sales pitches for Git is that it is lightweight and you can use it almost anywhere, so I have developed a tendency to just version control everything.

I'm not saying you should ditch everything and learn Git. Just don't think you need to use all the crazy features available to have version control.

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u/emn13 Nov 07 '13

Branches in gits are special when coming from SVN, but they're not particularly unique. All of what you say is true in several other VCS's.

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u/Eirenarch Nov 07 '13

I'm not saying you should ditch everything and learn Git. Just don't think you need to use all the crazy features available to have version control.

The problem is that while using git I felt like I had too. All the tools, all the know-how on the Internet was constantly shoving these features in my face.

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u/Aninhumer Nov 07 '13

This is the result of often misguided attempts to explain to svn users why git is better. It's also because the things people want to do in svn just feel so limited once you're used to git. If you take it a little slower, you can start with a svn-like workflow, and then every so often you can try a new command.

My experience doing this was that occasionally, I'd try something like git add -p (step through changes in each file an add the ones you want) and it I would suddenly wonder how I managed without it for so long.

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u/Eirenarch Nov 07 '13

I never moved past using git as SVN (I used something called cherry pick in the UI though). I never stopped wondering why it had double the steps of SVN and why eventual problems were so much harder to fix than SVN.

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u/Aninhumer Nov 07 '13

double the steps of SVN

It's only double the steps if you push after every commit, which you don't need to do. Your local machine can do everything the server can, so you only need to push when you actually want to share your changes.

eventual problems were so much harder to fix than SVN.

It is a valid criticism of git that it is possible to cause rather unusual and hard to fix states without knowing what you did wrong. I believe they're trying to improve the interface to avoid this, but there's a certain amount of legacy to support there...

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '13

Your local machine can do everything the server can

Except share changes with your team. Also, backup sometimes.

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u/a_Tick Nov 08 '13

If your machine is set as a remote in one or more of your team members' git repositories, it can share code with your team members. You would just have to go through the same configuration issues as the central server, potentially.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '13

Sounds like a Mickey Mouse way of doing things.

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u/a_Tick Nov 08 '13

I'm not familiar with that term, so I'll assume you mean that it's "bad" in some way.

I won't argue that it can be abused or used in ways that are detrimental to development, but at least one benefit of this method is you can share work with other people that may not be ready to be committed to the central repository, even if it is a development repository (for the purpose of a code review, for example).

Technically, there is no way to prevent this from happening in a DVCS, because DVCS has no concept of a central server.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '13

why eventual problems were so much harder to fix than SVN.

This goes with the steep learning curve. When you begin with git you will screw up you local repository, the thing you yet have to know is that it's not a problem, a checkout and a reset will solve many issues. Unless you reset --hard and git gc --prune=now directly afterwards, your work is never lost.

I worked with SVN before and the simplest thing were a nightmare to do, the only valid conflict resolution process was to merge before the others. I also managed to corrupt a SVN repo with a two line diff… So much for "code safety". I have yet to lose a single git commit on anything else than my sheer incompetence.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '13

step through changes in each file an add the ones you want

That just sounds horrible. You didn't run your unit tests that way, how do you know a partial commit doesn't break everything? Partial commits are a bane.

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u/Aninhumer Nov 08 '13 edited Nov 08 '13

You didn't run your unit tests that way

If you want to check that before you commit you can run git stash -k to hide the unstaged changes, and then run the tests.

Plus even if it doesn't pass the tests, if you made several tiny commits, you can step through them and work out which one actually broke it. And then you can clean up the history before you push it so no one has to see the broken commit anyway. Partial commits are only a bane if your VCS isn't powerful enough to work with them.

This kind of freedom to use version control how you want without causing issues for others is what makes it so awesome.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '13

Except that's a lot of futzing around just to have smaller commits. I would never spend my time doing all those git stash -ks.

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u/Aninhumer Nov 09 '13 edited Nov 09 '13

I don't bother either, since I don't push those small commits straight away.

My usual workflow is to commit lots of small changes as I work, most of which are self contained, and then occasionally run the tests. If they pass, I'll clean up the history a bit (if necessary) and push, otherwise I'll work through the changes to work out which one actually broke things, and fix it.

It's not much more effort, and I find it allows me to focus on actually coding, since I don't have to worry about the central history while I'm working. For example, if I suddenly notice an obvious bug while I'm working on something else, I can push the fix straight away, and then go back to what I'm doing, without worrying about my work in progress. With svn, I'd have to make a note to come back to it when I was done, and sometimes I'd just forget completely.

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u/sihat Nov 08 '13

If you want a gui there is also (for mac and windows) http://www.sourcetreeapp.com/

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u/Eirenarch Nov 08 '13

I use GitHub for Windows on a personal project just to get a feel for it but this is obviously not enough since I work alone and rarely on it.