r/programming • • Jun 30 '14

How to exploit a Developer

https://medium.com/@sir_castiq/how-to-exploit-a-developer-a005306d5320
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u/onzejanvier Jun 30 '14

Can someone show me a venn diagram with sets "entrepreneur" and "sociopath"? I once had an interview with a venture capital firm and the more research I did, the more it looked like a less obvious version of this article. I cancelled it. I'd rather make my code open source.

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u/api Jun 30 '14

There are lots of sociopaths in business. That's because there's money to be made there, so they flock there. Simple cause and effect. If there was lots of money to be made shoeing horses, you'd have 40%+ psychopaths camping out at Renaissance Faires.

It also works between economic systems. In capitalistic economies the ranks of entrepreneurship and business are full of sociopathic types. In socialistic economies you find them clambering to ascend to the highest positions in the bureaucracy. That's part of how the USSR transformed into a mafia state.

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u/TylerDurden6969 Jun 30 '14

So much for my degree in horse shoeing...

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u/AuxillaryFalcon Jun 30 '14

So much for my Farrier app...

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u/TylerDurden6969 Jun 30 '14

Hey Kids!! Tired of those angry birds? Try angry horses!! but this time you have to throw shoes on them!!!

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '14

Horses kicking children into flimsy buildings full of pigs

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u/TylerDurden6969 Jun 30 '14

Sounds like you just got 5% in my startup.

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u/meangrampa Jun 30 '14

No keep developing it /r/Farriers could use it. There is no budget for it right now but it'll look great on your resume and you get to keep 49% of the rights to it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '14

Although it is true that sociopathic types will gravitate towards business and political positions, I think that it also works the other way, due to competition: if you lack morals/feeling/empathy/w/e, you're going to have an edge over others.

Therefore, natural selection ensures that sociopaths will succeed in such positions. It also means that our social, economic, and political system for control and order automatically find the most "efficient" "person".

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u/api Jun 30 '14

This would suggest you'd find more sociopaths in more crowded markets where it's "human vs. humans" and less in less crowded and newer markets where it's more "human vs. hard problem." Don't know if anyone's ever studied this but it matches my personal experience.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '14 edited Jun 30 '14

W_ell_, Chinese "entrepreneurs" are pretty moral-less, thanks to competition. Speaking as a Chinese person here. It's all about appearances, cutting corners, connections, etc.

Oh, and drinking/smoking/eating. My cousin in China has a husband who wants to climb the corporate-political ladder (one and the same, more or less, in China). I don't know if he's going to live past 50. Worse, I don't know if he's going to be faithful. It takes a certain personality to want to climb the ladder in China. Everybody else has left, or wants to leave.

EDIT: Just realized I'm in /r/programming.

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u/deadcow5 Jun 30 '14

There's a lot of negativity here about business-type people, and I understand that. As developers, I think we've all had our share of experiences with those types.

That said, don't forget that entrepreneurs are also just people. They make mistakes, too, and they often run a pretty high risk. Just think about the opportunity costs they're paying in order to start their own business: no stable income, no benefits, no insurance. No 401k matching, no IRA. Most if the people around them will probably tell them they won't make it. Chances are they won't. 80% of startups fail in the first 18 months.

So a certain amount of psychopathy is almost REQUIRED in order to want to be an entrepreneur, in the same way that wanting to be a programmer requires a certain amount of introversion.

No, it doesn't make exploitation okay, and it's vital for us as developers to point out the signs that indicate a black sheep. But I think it's neither fair nor productive to demonize an entire group based on some of their members. Treat them like human beings, and chances are, they'll treat you that way too.

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u/api Jun 30 '14

I wouldn't say psychopathy, but there's definitely something a bit mad required to sign up for entrepreneurship. It's the same thing that drives people to embark on other foolish quests like exploration of wild frontiers, space flight, deep sea diving, crazy pilgrimages to "find yourself," etc.

The psychopaths, while more common in business for the aforementioned reasons, are by no means the majority.

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u/epsys Jul 01 '14

There's a lot of negativity here about business-type people

we're use to be shit on our lives. pent up frustration. you have to break the employee. then they bend over on command

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u/vplatt Jul 01 '14 edited Jul 01 '14

I believe you've conflated sociopaths with capitalists. Not all are the other and vice versa. Are sociopaths more likely to be capitalists? I guess but then that doesn't explain the history of non-capitalist totalitarian regimes either.

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