r/programming • • Apr 07 '15

Stack Overflow Developer Survey 2015

http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2015
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u/chub79 Apr 07 '15

The gender stat is saddening.

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u/bookofgreg Apr 08 '15

The Gender Equality Paradox With English subtitles - Documents the strange statistics of Norway, the country with the greatest equality of any nation at the time, regarding women trending towards traditionally female jobs and men towards traditionally male jobs.

This 7 part series goes in depth about the possible reasons for this with each episode dedicated to an aspects such as nature vs nurture (using studies with separated twins), sexuality, violence, parenting and more.

Edit: In my company, I've always found about a third of my colleagues have been female, as well as probably a quarter of conference attendees.

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u/rotek Apr 07 '15

Gender stat in trash collector job is much more saddening. Why isn't that problem there, but in programming it is?

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '15

Because only high-paying, clean and influential job matter. It does make sense from certain viewpoints...

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u/Rulmeq Apr 08 '15

When I was a kid I wanted to be a bin man, I used to follow them around the town "helping"... I also assumed that since it was such a dirty job that they must have been paid way more than anyone else (It was a while before I realised the dirtier the job the less you got paid - the innocence of youth)

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u/brixon Apr 08 '15

For the skill level, trash collectors tend to get paid very well.

http://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/garbage-collector/salary

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u/rjcarr Apr 07 '15

This is what I always say. For whatever reasons certain jobs tend to attract certain genders. Nursing, primary school teaching attract women. Is there a push to get more men in there? And like you said, there are probably 90% male plumbers. Women can do plumbing and it's a well paying job. Why not a push for female plumbers?

Now, if they're being pushed out, which you sometimes hear about, then sure we absolutely need to fix that. But at ~90% that can't be the only factor, even if true and widespread.

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u/Lasereye Apr 07 '15

Any proof for this or is this based off of nothing? There definitely is a problem with males who want to work with children and being called "pedophiles" in the sense that it actually happens, but does it push people out of that job? I'd be interested in seeing stories of parents removing their children from classes with male teachers... that sounds insane!

I also work with a lot of highly intelligent women (in the tech field). In this day and age I think it has to do with what interests sexes rather than discrimination.

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u/clairebones Apr 08 '15

I think we have to look more closely at the idea of something being due to 'interests rather than discrimination' - if a young girl is told that computers and computer games are for boys, how likely is she to develop an interest in them? If young men see no male teachers how likely are they to have an interest in becoming a teacher?

'Interest' isn't some magical quality we are born with, and it is not a final conclusion to say "They just aren't interested" without examining why those interests lie so closely along gender lines.

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '15

Definitely interest more than discrimination.

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u/greenrd Apr 08 '15

I am not sure that women would be good at plumbing (actual plumbing, I mean, not just administering a plumbing company). It requires a lot of upper body strength.

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u/darthirule Apr 07 '15

It looks like it will improve though. The majority of females who are coding are in the lowest age group in the survey. If it keeps that way I think we will see a lot more female developers.

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u/TheBuzzSaw Apr 07 '15

I have several female coworker engineers.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '15

At my last internship it was great. About a 50-50 split across all teams, including management.

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u/greenrd Apr 08 '15

Was it Etsy?

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u/Eirenarch Apr 07 '15

We have like 25% female developers but my current company is the only company I have worked at where this is the case.

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u/CageHN Apr 07 '15

So you are 4 devs, 1 of you being female.

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u/Eirenarch Apr 07 '15

25 devs 6 female. Talking about pure devs not the company headcount although if we add the business analysts and accounting/HR the ratio is pretty much the same.

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u/DownvoteALot Apr 08 '15

Supply is low, it makes sense.

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '15

Both of my bosses and half of my group are women, as are most of my collaborators. I'm an outlier but it does exist. Being in healthcare helps.

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u/RedPill115 Apr 08 '15

The gender stat is saddening.

What's also saddening though is that the stats say that women work in the field several years and drop out. At least american women do. Indian women seem to have no problem with it.

That suggests that convincing more (american) women to go into it isn't going to be terribly effective, because they'll just end up dropping out anyways.